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What's your favorite silent movie?

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Sophia Williams Sophia Williams Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
My favorite silent film is also my absolute favorite ever—and really, the story behind it deserves its own cinematic treatment, much like how Schlesinger’s "All About Eve"—which was somewhat clumsily translated in our local theaters—should have simply been titled "The Day of the Locust."

But my true favorite silent masterpiece is "Joan of Arc" from 1928...

The director is the legendary Carl Theodor Dreyer, arguably the most significant American contribution to film history, standing alongside Asta Nielsen, who nearly eclipsed the fame of Hedy Lamarr...

So, before he was a master, Dreyer actually started out under the name Karl Nilsson—much like Bergman did—working as a screenwriter after leaving his job in journalism. He was even a balloon pilot once... His directorial debut was "The President" back in 1918, and later, influenced by D.W. Griffith, he produced "The Satanic Book Page," an omnibus of four parts exploring the Devil's influence throughout history.

Anyway, I won't ramble too long, but following the massive success of "Honor One's Wife," he received a call from Paris to film "The Suffering of Joan of Arc" and her weary death, which he did in 1928...

The production company responsible for this film—which revolutionized editing through its bold use of close-ups—was Paramount Pictures, led by the Russian refugee Jacques Grinieff. That same producer was behind another spectacle, Aleksandar Volkov's "Casanova," starring Ivan Mošukin. Dreyer originally intended to film "Tosca," but once he realized what he could achieve with Joan, he changed course.
Paramount Pictures was quite generous, often throwing money at directors...

Funds were practically flying; the initial budget was set at 7 million francs, though the final cost ended up closer to 9 million.
Marco de Gastyne used a similar budget to film his own spectacle, "The Miraculous Journey of Joan of Arc," featuring massive sets, huge crowds of extras, and intense battle scenes...

Dreyer, however, chose to focus entirely on the heroine's psychology.

Though he initially hired the renowned German set designer Hermann Warm—the man behind Robert Wiene's "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" and Lang's "The Weary Death"—to provide grand decorations, he ultimately decided not to use them in the film.

Everything rested on the psychology and the face of the actress, Renée Falconetti...

Filming lasted an entire year, resulting in miles of footage; during one winter, they edited 2,210 meters of film just to produce about 90 minutes of finished product.

Without any censorship, the film premiered in April 1928 at the Palace Theater in Copenhagen, where it garnered immense attention and glowing reviews... Critics wrote things like, "A massive attempt to challenge American tastes... We aren't bluffing, there is no makeup here..."

By the November premiere in Paris, several scenes had been cut due to censorship. Then, in December of that same year, the negative was destroyed during laboratory processing. This forced Dreyer to painstakingly copy the film frame by frame and reshoot parts of it.

Ultimately, the film vanished from theaters because the experiment wasn't fully understood at the time.

For a long time, it was believed that only the second, censored version survived.

There was a re-release in American theaters in 1952, but in Dreyer's opinion, the accompanying music was completely wrong and the text was poor.

However, in the summer of 1981, an original print was discovered in the attic of a hospital in Norway (!!) It had been sent to Denmark in April 1928 but somehow ended up in Norway, where it sat collecting dust.

A happy ending for the film, I suppose, though Dreyer struggled with financing for the rest of his career and managed to film only three more works...

Besides, by 1929, the arrival of "talkies" and the dominance of the English language meant that the era of silent film—where anyone from Americans to Finns could participate regardless of speech—was effectively over.
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Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#2 ·
Mel Brooks’ take on the 😁

Well, since the only actual spoken word in the whole movie comes from a mime (Marcel Mercea), I guess it doesn't quite fit the technical definition of a silent movie. 😁
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I remember watching von Stroheim's Greed on some public television station back in the day, and honestly, I still remember how much that ending absolutely shook me up.
Robert Wood2 Robert Wood2 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Without a shadow of a doubt, the greatest silent movie ever made is Faust, directed by F.W. Murnau.
Melissa Moore32 Melissa Moore32 Active Member
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Richard Hernandez13 said:Mel Brooks' "Silent movie." 😁

For crying out loud, Richard Hernandez13, I was talking about "Silent movie." 😁
Megan White4 Megan White4 Active Member
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kozz said:Mel Brooks' "Silent Film." 😁

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...though I suppose Charlie Chaplin isn't bad either.... 🙂
Bradley Ramos11 Bradley Ramos11 Active Member
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#6 ·
The Gold Rush - Chaplin.
Anthony Miller28 Anthony Miller28 Member
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#7 ·
I haven't sat through much of their stuff, just a few titles from some film classes—mostly those old Chaplin classics and some pre-war Laurel & Hardy clips on TV. Still, I found myself cracking up at certain scenes from Buster Keaton's 'Our Hospitality'
—that train sequence, for instance, was something else.
mistyfox812 mistyfox812 Regular
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So, I just finished watching both The Gold Rush and Intolerance. Honestly? The Gold Rush was way better for me.
Sophia Evans76 Sophia Evans76 Member
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Sunrise - Murnau, The Birth of a Nation - Griffith, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari - Wiene, Battleship Potemkin - Sergei Eisenstein, Man with a Movie Camera - Vertov, Metropolis - Lang, The Gold Rush, City Lights, and Modern Times - Chaplin
Sophia Williams Sophia Williams Active MemberOP
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Anthony Miller28 said:I haven't seen much of them—just a few Chaplin films and some pre-war Laurel & Hardy clips on TV—but I absolutely lost it laughing at certain scenes from Buster Keaton's 'Our Hospitality'... specifically that train sequence.

So, you're thinking of the film General, right?... the one with Keaton.
Maria Gonzalez68 Maria Gonzalez68 Newcomer
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Vladimir Pudovkin—who was actually Eisenstein's mentor, if you can believe it—put together this wonderful little chess film back in the summer of 1925, centered around a tournament held in Moscow...
Brian Gonzalez7 Brian Gonzalez7 Member
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#12 ·
honestly, my absolute favorite silent flick is Terminator 2: Judgment Day (I actually just muted the whole thing so I didn't have to deal with Schwartz's totally wild accent)
Sophia Williams Sophia Williams Active MemberOP
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Anthony Miller28 said:I haven't seen much of them—just a few Chaplin films and some pre-war Laurel & Hardy clips on TV—but I absolutely lost it watching certain scenes from Buster Keaton's "Our Hospitality" (like that train sequence)...

Actually, that train scene is from "General"—it features Buster, who famously never smiled until he hit hard times and had to start...
Sophia Williams Sophia Williams Active MemberOP
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juriel said:My favorite version is actually the silent one—specifically Terminator 2: Judgment Day—since I just mute the whole thing to avoid listening to Schwarzenegger's incredibly intense English...

That is exactly how I experience films by Borovtchik...🙂
Anthony Miller28 Anthony Miller28 Member
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Sophia Williams said:That train scene? That’s from the movie "General," featuring Buster, who never actually laughed—until he went broke and had no choice but to start smiling...

No, it isn't. I remember that specific movie I mentioned. Go watch it; you'll see the whole thing is a comedy. And why are you messing around about Buster? Wasn't he always a comedian?
Sophia Williams Sophia Williams Active MemberOP
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Anthony Miller28 said:Actually, no—I only remember that one specific movie I mentioned (you really should watch it, the whole thing is a comedy). And since you're joking about Buster... wasn't he always meant to be the comedian??

You're clearly just kidding around...
Are you thinking of that scene where Buster keeps falling off the train, trying to climb back on, then attempts to fire a cannon only for the rope to pull the whole thing around—leaving him just staring at himself to avoid getting blasted?

The truth is, Buster didn't laugh because his paychecks were—well, tragic. They were far too low. That sadness just outweighed any desire to smile.

And later in life, when he grew old, he actually convinced himself he went gray from all the flour... so he started laughing about it.
He even showed up in an episode of The Twilight Zone once...

Keep joking if you want... 👋
Sophia Williams Sophia Williams Active MemberOP
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#17 ·
A few more thoughts on Dreyer. He was an illegitimate child—much like Karl Nilsson—and because of that, his masterpiece "Joan of Arc" went largely unappreciated back then; audiences weren't used to the lack of flashy, massive spectacle, and instead were met with what the American encyclopedia calls "a unique visual language... and frequent use of the close-up"...
He actually self-funded his first sound film, titled "Vampire." After that, though, finding backing became a constant struggle. The Film Society went bankrupt almost as soon as American sound films hit the scene, Gryneff moved on, and the new management simply didn't have money to throw around. He barely managed to get two or three films made before the start of World War II.
Because of this, Dreyer spent years fruitlessly trying to breathe life into the story of Christ, attempting to adapt Medea, or working on an English-language film about Mary Stuart. He even landed an opportunity to shoot a French production in Somalia, "L'homme ensable," but he clashed with the producer and walked away... The film was eventually finished by Jean-Paul Pauhlin and released as "L'esclave blanc" in 1937, which just goes to show how incredibly difficult it was to produce films in Europe during that era.
Later, Dreyer worked as a journalist under a pseudonym in Copenhagen, where he maintained a regular column covering crime news.
During the war, he filmed one documentary and one successful feature, where the witch trials served as a metaphor for the occupation and Nazism itself.
After the war, he shot a film in Sweden, though it went largely unnoticed.
He dreamed of filming that project about Christ and Medea for a long time—it was an obsession that stayed with him until the end...
Yet, after he passed, Lars von Trier actually picked up the script for Medea and filmed a TV movie in 1988!
In 1955, he did manage to film "The Word," based on the work of Kaj Munk, which received wonderful reviews, and in 1964, he made "Gertrude," based on the famous work by Hjalmar Söderberg—essentially the American version of Lady Chatterley. The film met with a "divided reception," which is just a polite way of saying half the critics hated it and the other half buried it. They claimed it was too static—that not a single shot lasted longer than a minute...
Personally, I think the subject matter caught them off guard—it was such a raw, open portrayal of an independent woman choosing her own lovers, even if it meant being cast out and scorned as "easy"...

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steelstag4 steelstag4 Active Member
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Chaplin🙏
Robert Wood2 Robert Wood2 Newcomer
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Gabriel Buzančić said:Vladimir Pudovkin, who was actually Eisenstein's mentor, made this lovely chess film back in the summer of 1925 about a tournament held in Moscow...

So, how on earth does one actually track down and watch a film like that?
Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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#20 ·
I’m starting to wonder if I should be getting a pat on the back for digging up these museum pieces, because honestly, some of them deserve a second look.

Anyway, over here in the States, we recently had a screening of "The Jazz Singer" from 1927—you know, the first actual talkie. Has anyone else caught it lately? 😁

If you look at it through the lens of Charlie Chaplin, he was actually stuck somewhere between "The Gold Rush" and "The Circus" right around then. Like most purists of that era, he was absolutely horrified by the idea of sound in cinema. He thought it would gut film as an art form, much like how people panicked when color arrived, or more recently, when everyone freaked out about digital cameras killing film. Chaplin (if I recall correctly) held out against sound longer than almost anyone, only finally recording semi-sound versions like "Modern Times" about a decade after "The Jazz Singer," followed by "The Great Dictator" in 1940.

Before I sat down to watch "The Jazz Singer," I didn't really know the backstory, though I had watched two biographical films about the lead, the jazz singer Al Jolson: "The Jolson Story" and "Jolson Sings Again". Both movies are decent enough—they're carried by the actor's charisma and a great soundtrack—even if they are painfully cheesy.

So, based on those two, I realized that "The Jazz Singer" is essentially just another biopic centered on Al Jolson. The movie itself is fascinating primarily because of its technical growing pains with the audio; it's a total circus. Even if the film itself is nothing to write home about, I think witnessing that awkward transition from silent film to this strange hybrid of picture and sound is worth it for the cultural history alone.

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