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Daniel Fowler9 Daniel Fowler9 MemberOP
45 messages
joined Aug 2003
#1 ·
Hey there, fellow software geeks,

I’ve been crunching the numbers, and honestly, if you look at what’s happening in the industry this year, it’s pretty obvious there are some massive winning streaks happening for Microsoft, their server OS lineup, and especially the .NET ecosystem. 🙂

On the flip side—and I mean this with total confidence—things are looking pretty shaky for J2EE, specifically because Sun Microsystems is basically sliding toward a cliff right now. And let's be real, if Sun goes under, Java goes down with them; neither IBM nor anyone else is going to bother babysitting that old dinosaur once the parent company folds, and the whole thing will probably just splinter into a million incompatible messes, which isn't an issue right now only because Sun keeps a tight leash on Java.

So, check out these hard truths

0) When it comes to software vendors, Microsoft has the absolute king of "penetration testing" reach, and honestly, only Symantec, Verisign, and Oracle even come close to their footprint.

1) If you look at the heavy hitters, the vast majority of server operating systems running the world are Windows-based, not Linux, not Unix, and definitely not Solaris; Microsoft's servers are just dominating the landscape, and you can't argue with that math.

2) Out of all the Linux distributions out there, Red Hat is the big player, followed by a decent amount of SUSE and then Mandrake, but everything else is basically a rounding error in terms of actual user numbers.

3) In the world of DBMS, Microsoft SQL Server is actually leading the pack, not Oracle, despite what some people might mistakenly think.

4) Looking at app servers, Oracle holds the top spot, followed by IBM's, while Sun's is trailing behind significantly—but wait until you see the next point.

5) Even though Microsoft doesn't actually make J2EE app servers, Microsoft Windows offers server functionality that most users find to be a seriously powerful alternative to J2EE. Right now, the ratio of J2EE to Microsoft (.NET) is sitting at about 48% to 52% in favor of J2EE solutions (and keep in mind, that includes every single J2EE solution out there, regardless of who makes it!), but the trend is moving so fast that we’re going to see that flip to 52% for Microsoft in no time at all!

6) We're seeing a massive surge in companies integrating web services into their IT setups, but the number of .NET-based web services is absolutely crushing the number of J2EE ones—we're talking a 50% to 11% split in favor of Microsoft, with the remaining percentage being companies running both simultaneously—and that gap is only getting wider.

So, the writing is on the wall: Microsoft is winning the game, and Sun and J2EE are losing it. 😁 Now, I know the skeptics will jump in saying, "But wait, Sun doesn't own J2EE alone! You still have Oracle, IBM, BEA, and the rest!"
Well, yeah, sure, you do, but once Sun hits the skids, nobody is going to invest in developing J2EE anymore, and Java will just fade away, which, frankly, I can't wait to see. Jose Stewart7 and the rest of you should probably jump on the almighty .NET bandwagon while you still have the chance. 🙂

To the rest of you hanging out on the forums, I'll just say this:

just click this link and download Quake 2 written entirely in .NET!!!!!

Once Jose Stewart7 or Gary Lee53 (or whatever other sucker) manages to pull this off in Java and makes it run just as smooth and beautiful, then maybe we can talk. Until then, let's just enjoy playing Quake 2 and marveling at this gorgeous .NET code that proves you can build absolutely state-of-the-art, professional, and stunning games using .NET!

Daniel Fowler9🙄
northernorca25 northernorca25 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Look, genius, you’ll actually start getting smart once you stop wasting your breath on these ego trips and focus on something useful—like actually studying those .NET APIs you love so much. Maybe then you'll figure out what it's like to actually trade ideas and real-world experience instead of just talking.
Jose Stewart7 Jose Stewart7 Newcomer
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#3 ·
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Daniel Fowler9 said:Dear fellow software developers,

Here are a few honest observations regarding the current state of the IT industry this year. From what I can see, there seem to be some wonderful opportunities emerging for Microsoft, particularly concerning their server operating systems and the .NET framework. 🙂


Are you actually being serious? It seems like you're basing your entire argument on your own interpretation of a single analyst group's report. I sent you a response via private message, because since the others can't see the specific analysis you're using to draw these conclusions, I feel it might be somewhat unfair to them.

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On the other hand, I suppose we should also acknowledge some rather dim prospects for J2EE. It feels as though Sun Microsystems is slowly sliding toward a decline, and I imagine that if they were to fail, the implications for Java would be significant. It seems possible that Java might eventually lose its momentum because neither IBM nor the other major players would want to continue struggling with such a massive legacy system. Alternatively, there is a chance the ecosystem could fragment into hundreds of incompatible versions—something that isn't currently an issue since Sun Microsystems maintains such tight control over Java.


The first inaccuracy here is the idea that Java's future is tied to the fate of Sun Microsystems. In reality, a vast number of major corporations, including IBM, have made massive investments in Java EE and Java, which means its trajectory isn't necessarily dependent on what happens at Sun.

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So, let's take a look at these. I suppose one could argue that we should focus on discussing nothing but the actual facts. It seems to me that staying grounded in reality might be the most productive way to approach this conversation, though I realize everyone has their own perspective on what constitutes a true fact.


I suppose I wonder if you truly understand the distinction between a fact and a statistic.

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When evaluating software vendors, I suppose Microsoft maintains the most significant market penetration; in my estimation, only Symantec, Verisign, and Oracle have truly come close to their level.


If you started out with just one site and now find yourself managing twenty, you're looking at a massive increase in the scale of required penetration testing.
The second one shows 100,000 and then moves to 100,010, which suggests a significantly lower level of penetration testing. I guess that might be the case.
Statistics is a rather interesting subject, I suppose.

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It seems that the vast majority of server operating systems utilized on a global scale are Windows-based, rather than Linux, Unix, or Solaris. It appears to be an undeniable fact that Microsoft's servers dominate the market, and I suppose that is simply the reality of the situation.


It wasn't actually referring to a server OS, but just an OS in general. Most of those figures represent desktop Windows OS usage, so I guess there's some blurring of the lines happening here—essentially presenting the data in a way that favors a specific narrative.

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If you look at all the different DBMS systems out there, I guess it's actually more common to see Microsoft SQL Server being used than Oracle, despite what some people might mistakenly believe.


I suspect there might be a misunderstanding regarding how we evaluate a DBMS. In my view, the capacity should be measured by the actual volume of storage being utilized rather than simply counting the number of instances. I don't believe I saw that specific distinction addressed anywhere in your research.


4) Among all application servers, Oracle is the most prominent, followed by IBM, while Sun Microsystems has the smallest market share. However, I suppose you should look at the next point.


The most prominent one is actually BEA Weblogic; that is what the report states.


5) Even though Microsoft doesn't actually produce J2EE app servers, Microsoft Windows offers server functionality that many users perceive as a strong alternative to J2EE. The current ratio of J2EE to Microsoft (.NET) is 48% to 52% in favor of J2EE solutions (though, please note, that ratio includes all J2EE solutions, regardless of the manufacturer!). However, the trend suggests that in the very near future, this ratio might shift to 52% to 48% in favor of Microsoft.


This really just shows the technical expertise level of your analysts. An app server and
Hardware servers are very different things, even if "enterprise" is considered a heavy word.


6) Recently, there has been a very rapid increase in the number of organizations implementing web services as part of their IT solutions. However, the number of .NET-based web services is significantly higher than the number of J2EE-based web services (the ratio is 50% compared to 11% in favor of Microsoft, with the remaining percentages representing companies that utilize both .NET and J2EE web services simultaneously), and there is a continuing trend toward an increasing number of .NET services relative to J2EE.


Here it is, for you.


So, everything is clear. Microsoft is winning the game, while Sun Microsystems and its J2EE are losing. 😁 Of course, someone might argue: "But Sun Microsystems isn't the only one producing J2EE! We still have Oracle, IBM, and BEA..."
Yes, you do, but once Sun Microsystems fails, they won't continue developing J2EE, and then Java will likely fade away, which is something I am almost looking forward to. Jose Stewart7 and the rest of you: maybe switch over to the powerful .NET while you still can. 🙂


You are quite amusing. I imagine you were the type of child who would throw tantrums in a store when you wanted a toy. I feel for your boyfriend (not because he uses .NET, but because he will eventually see the light). I wonder, where does such a high level of frustration and uncertainty come from?


I am telling the rest of the forum:

Go to this link and download Quake 2 written in .NET!!!!!

Once Jose Stewart7 and Gary Lee53 (or some other sucker) manage to build this in Java and make it run just as smoothly and beautifully, then perhaps they can speak up. Until then, let us play Quake 2 without worry and enjoy its beautiful .NET implementation, which proves how one can write state-of-the-art, professional, and wonderful games in .NET!


Some people are just playing games, while the serious professionals actually put in the work and get paid. I suppose that's just how life works. 😁
restlessmaker2 restlessmaker2 Member
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joined Jan 2004
#4 ·
And now a bunch of idiots will start arguing over which is better. Like choosing between eggs from a farm in Germany or one in Switzerland... 😁
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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joined Dec 2002
#5 ·
The mod is about to lose it and shut this thread down.

But since I'm in a decent mood (just grabbed some food, so 😁) I'll give Daniel Fowler9 a chance to at least drop the link to the report she's pulling data from.
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#6 ·
Daniel Fowler9 said:Once Jose Stewart7 and Gary Lee53 (or some other bottom-feeder) actually pull this off in...

Can we please cut out the insults? This thread is already on thin ice and close to being deleted.
Patrick Morris3 Patrick Morris3 Member
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#7 ·
It is quite simple, really. Microsoft servers dominate the market, and that is just an undeniable fact.

If a 40% share of the server market counts as dominance, then I guess you are just being completely irrational. :-)))

I suppose it is clear that this number won't stay that high for long, because once Linux—with its 35% annual growth in server systems—finishes eating up the Unix market share, it will likely start eating into Microsoft's share too...

0) Among software vendors, Microsoft has the largest so-called "penetration testing" reach, and only Symantec, Verisign, and Oracle have come close.

Jose Stewart7 responded to that, and honestly, I think it was such a foolish point that you probably shouldn't have even mentioned it....

Of all Linux distributions, Red Hat is used the most, followed to a lesser extent by SUSE, and then Mandrake. Other distributions are almost negligible in terms of user count.

And that would be a great moment for Microsoft???? If more people were using SUSE, would that somehow be bad for MS???
I don't understand??

Among all DBMS systems, there are more Microsoft SQL Servers than Oracle (which some people mistakenly believe).

Wow, so MS has 28%, Oracle has 26%, and IBM has 2%???
I mean, should we really be impressed? It has been like that for years now...

4) Regarding all app servers, the Oracle app server is the most prominent, followed by IBM's, while Sun Microsystems' is the least represented. However, look at the next point.

This also seems like a wonderful moment for MS, since they aren't even in the top three...?

Recently, there has been a very rapid increase in the number of organizations implementing web services as part of their IT solutions. However, the number of .NET-based web services is far greater than the number of J2EE-based web services.

You forgot to mention that the number of business organizations using Microsoft web solutions is maybe around 20%, and if you isolate the ones actually using .NET from that, you end up with what, 2%?...

I guess my personal opinion of you is truly low; please, tell me, how much are they paying you to sell yourself out so cheaply????
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#8 ·
Patrick Morris3, take it easy.
Aaron Sanchez7 Aaron Sanchez7 Newcomer
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#9 ·
1) The vast majority of server operating systems used globally are Windows, not Linux, Unix, or Solaris. Simply put, Microsoft servers dominate, and that's an undeniable fact.

That’s just not true. Short and sweet 😉 I don't really care if Microsoft writes that themselves or if some lobbyist for them says it; the facts tell a completely different story.
Though again... you know how it goes? Until pigs fly, anything is possible.🙂

Once Jose Stewart7 and Gary Lee53 (or some other random sucker) actually build this in Java and make it run just as smoothly and beautifully, then they can talk. Until then, let's just play Quake 2 without a care in the world and enjoy its gorgeous .NET architecture, which just goes to show how you can write state-of-the-art, professional, and beautiful games in .NET!

What's the point? It worked perfectly fine being written in C++.
I don't see why anyone would bother stressing over writing this... for instance, Q1 runs perfectly fine via Java on my phone...
Out of all the Linux distributions, Red Hat is the most widely used, followed to a lesser extent by SUSE, and then Mandrake. Other distributions are practically negligible in terms of user count.

Slackware isn't negligible at all... maybe not a huge crowd uses it, but the people who do know exactly why they're doing it... because it's hands down the fastest and best admin OS in the world.

I mostly agree with what Jose Stewart7 and Patrick Morris3 are saying.
But let me tell you both something...

From my side, since I'm a Linux fan:
trash-talking Microsoft isn't going to make anyone love Linux more; it just makes you look foolish. Whether they want to or not, Microsoft has accomplished some massive things, and not everything they do is bad. Regardless, they serve as good competition that pushes us to keep improving Linux.

On the other hand:
I use both systems, and I've just gotten used to the flaws in both. I know exactly where the breaking points are for each, so I stick to my limits.
I know I don't know Linux 100%, but Linux has its own gaps too. I've heard the hype about how it can run for xxx days straight and be as stable as reinforced concrete—and yet I crashed it in 30 seconds (just because I didn't unmount a floppy, pulled it out, and tried to access it again).

Everything has its pros and cons, so stop trying to force your opinions on one another... it won't work... let the future members decide for themselves what they prefer.

Daniel Fowler9... you're often wrong... you act like you can only see what's peeking out of a Microsoft can... and it's the same for Jose Stewart7, just with a different label on the envelope... people, open your eyes and broaden your horizons... there is no such thing as a perfect OS, and which one is better is purely a matter of personal preference... Once Linux has its own software packages that it has—like Macromedia, Adobe, CAD, and all that stuff—it will be just as popular [not an alternative, but actual Linux versions]. Same goes for Windows [we're talking about legal software]. It's definitely not great that everything on it costs as much as it does... to have the basic tools for work, you need as much as you need for Hardware, and even Hardware is much harder to build.🙂
Seriously guys, can we please just chill out with the arguing and the constant bickering? It's getting old...
Daniel Fowler9 Daniel Fowler9 MemberOP
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#10 ·
slycrane94 said:Nah, I think the moderator is actually about to lose their mind and shut this whole thread down.

But hey, I'm in a pretty decent mood right now—just grabbing some food and 😁—so I'll give Daniel Fowler9 a fair shot to at least drop a link to the report she's pulling all this data from.

Look, slycrane94, I already handed that document over to Jose Stewart7 and Shadowman, so you aren't going to find it just wandering around the web. You should probably just ask one of those two to pass it along to you. And seriously, why did you go and change my thread title??? I really don't think that was cool.

Daniel Fowler9🙄
Daniel Fowler9 Daniel Fowler9 MemberOP
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#11 ·
Jose Stewart7 said:Are you being serious right now? You're basically basing your whole argument on how you personally choose to read some analyst group's report. I already sent you my rebuttal via PM because since everyone else here can't see the specific analysis you're pulling your conclusions from, it just feels totally unfair to them.

Look, at least I’m actually basing my claims on something tangible—in this case, a massive, legitimate document that wasn't even put together by Microsoft. But what about you? What are you even standing on? It’s pretty obvious you aren't standing on anything, seeing as you're just attacking me without a single shred of actual evidence. Seriously, ever since we started this whole back-and-forth, you haven't provided even one single valid argument to support your stance. Now that I've essentially shut down your point (at least the most important part of it), you've completely lost the plot, and instead of admitting it, you've decided—despite me telling you it would make you look silly—to just double down on trying to discredit the report and the people who wrote it. Honestly, I guess it's just easier than opening your eyes and facing reality! 🙂

Jose Stewart7 said:That’s your first "truth" that isn't true. IBM and a huge amount of other major players have poured massive investments into J2EE and Java, so the fate of Java isn't tied to the fate of Sun Microsystems at all.

Oh, it is absolutely tied to it: when the main creator and driving force behind Java goes under, everyone else is going to take a very hard look at why that happened. Besides, there is a massive difference between just implementing Java solutions and selling tools, versus actually developing the language itself, managing the virtual machine, and pushing constant innovations. IBM and the rest didn't INVENT Java; they just took it from Sun Microsystems exactly as it was. Once they're left on their own and forced to keep evolving it, you really have to wonder if they'll even bother. It’d be way easier for them to just pivot over to .NET.

Jose Stewart7 said:You start with 1 site and end up with 20 -> that's huge penetration.
The other guy starts with 100,000 and goes to 100,010 -> that's much lower penetration :-) Statistics are a funny thing.

The report clearly shows that Microsoft has the highest penetration everywhere. This is the exact opposite of what you were claiming in your earlier posts when you insisted Microsoft had almost zero footprint in the enterprise space. Using that "20 sites" example is just being disingenuous because you're ignoring relative growth and focusing strictly on absolute numbers, which honestly just looks like you can't read the document even when it's laid out right in front of you! Why can't you just look at what it actually says without all the bias???

Jose Stewart7 said:It didn't say server OS, it said OS, and most of those numbers are just desktop Windows OS, so again, you're just blurring the lines and presenting things however you want them to look.

That is simply not true: it explicitly stated just server! If you just take a second to look at page 61, the statistics there specifically address the question: "Which of these server OS platforms does your organization currently use?"[/b]

Jose Stewart7 said:Look, you’ve gotta understand that when we're talking about DBMS, you measure them by the actual volume of storage they're handling, not just how many instances you have running around—and honestly, I didn't see a single word about that in your little "research" project anywhere!

I mean, who even gives a damn about how much actual storage space those databases are eating up? Honestly, at the end of the day, that's just noise. What actually matters—the only thing that really moves the needle here—is just how many SQL Server or Oracle instances you're running. That's where the real story is. Sold! It’s finally gone, folks!Look, I don't care if you're running massive enterprise systems or just some tiny little databases that barely hit two kilobytes—it honestly doesn't matter! At the end of the day, all that matters is the raw numbers: how many ones versus how many zeros we're talking about. And let me tell you, if you actually take a second to look at page 65 of that report, it’s glaringly obvious that Microsoft is absolutely crushing it in the database arena too! Seriously, man, you really need to dig into this more!

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Jose Stewart7 said:Honestly, this just goes to show exactly what kind of technical depth we're dealing with when it comes to your analysts. Like, seriously, an app server and a hardware server are two completely different beasts, but I guess when you throw around a heavy word like "enterprise," people just start nodding along without actually knowing what they're talking about.

Haha, I knew it! I freaking knew you’d eventually try to drag the credibility of the people who wrote this report through the mud. Honestly, what a massive, brainless move—I don't even think I need to explain how much of a blunder that is. But man, it’s actually pretty fascinating to watch: the second they say something that doesn't fit your little narrative, you immediately jump to trying to disqualify them entirely. You can try to write them off all you want, really, but it isn't going to change the fact that Microsoft and .NET are absolutely crushing it and dominating the market you're so obsessed with. And honestly, I don't even get why you care so much about this specific niche in the first place, because you claim to be this huge expert, yet you couldn't even wrap your head around basic grammar. That alone just screams that you have this totally ignorant attitude toward actual learning. If you ever wanted to actually be a real professional, you'd realize you need both foundational knowledge and actual craft, and you can't just gloss over that. But you clearly lack that, because you're missing the fundamental stuff you should have learned ages ago.

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Jose Stewart7 said:You’re honestly hilarious. I bet you were that kid in the middle of Target throwing a total tantrum just because you didn't get that one specific toy you wanted, right? And man, I actually feel bad for your boyfriend—not even because he's stuck using .NET, though that’s a choice, but just because he’s going to have to deal with all this. Seriously though, where is all this frustration and insecurity even coming from? It's wild.

Look, I know I can be a total riot—people tell me all the time that I’m funny and actually pretty sharp—but you? You just aren't fun at all. Honestly, you come off as way too full of yourself and you constantly talk down to everyone else in the room. You really need to take a second and ask yourself why you do that, you know? Like, why do you act like you’re the only person on the planet who knows anything? It’s honestly exhausting. Your whole cold, condescending vibe is exactly what pushed my buttons and triggered this reaction from me. Maybe I should just regret even getting sucked into this debate in the first place, because let's be real, trying to "re-educate" someone to actually show some basic human decency is a massive, uphill battle. In your case, I don't think I've got the stamina to pull it off. And honestly, I feel bad that you're wired this way. That's really on me, though—it was my own mistake to care, since your attitude shouldn't even be my problem to deal with.

Daniel Fowler9🙄
Daniel Fowler9 Daniel Fowler9 MemberOP
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#12 ·
northernorca25 said:Listen, smarty-pants, you’re actually going to become way more brilliant once you stop wasting all your precious energy on these massive ego trips and start focusing on stuff that actually matters—like, I don't know, actually diving deep into those .NET APIs you’re so obsessed with. Once you do that, you'll finally see what real idea-sharing and knowledge exchange feels like.

Honestly, northernorca25, I am totally with you on that one! I've been trying to study it, but lately, life's just been getting in the way and I haven't spent nearly as much time on it as I really wish I had.

So, hey, if we ever get a dedicated "Programming" sub-forum popping up here, I might just be talked into starting my own little regular forum "column," where I can geek out over the super technical side of .NET programming. I think I'll try putting one together first and then just see if anyone else wants to jump in on the fun. If people bite, we could actually build something cool here—a real fertile ground for swapping ideas and actually mastering .NET together.

Cheers,
Daniel Fowler9🙄
Daniel Fowler9 Daniel Fowler9 MemberOP
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#13 ·
Aaron Sanchez7 said:That’s just not right. Let me put it simply: 😉

You hit the nail right on the head, man! Seriously! Just ask yourself why someone like Shadowman stays so quiet and doesn't try to argue against this, you know? It's because he knows exactly what's going on. Shadowman, 😍

Daniel Fowler9🙄
Daniel Fowler9 Daniel Fowler9 MemberOP
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#14 ·
Patrick Morris3 said:Honestly, my opinion of you, drone-brain, is pretty much rock bottom at this point, so just tell me straight—how much are they paying you to sell yourself out this cheap?

Patrick Morris3, seriously, what is your deal? 🙂 I have never once been rude or disrespectful toward you.

Daniel Fowler9🙄
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#15 ·
Daniel Fowler9 said:slycrane94, I handed the document over to Jose Stewart7 and Shadowman. It isn't going to be online. Just ask one of them to send it to you. Also, why did you change my thread title? I don't think that was necessary.

Daniel Fowler9🙄

If you take what was said at face value, this is just your interpretation of a document that isn't exactly statistically representative of the whole world—maybe just the USA. If that's the case, I don't think the title really reflects objective reality.
Gary Lee53 Gary Lee53 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Heh, our resident egoist Daniel Fowler9 has latched onto the one thing he can actually claim a win on... performance... Not that anyone ever really disputed that .NET outpaces Java.

But let’s be real, you're still just spinning your wheels in a Windows environment. Sorry baby, looks like you lost again.

Sometimes I get the feeling you're practically on the Microsoft payroll. Only their corporate shills hunt for straw man arguments quite like you do. That "you won't find it online" line is especially suspicious; it sounds like something straight out of a Microsoft brochure titled "How to Combat Linux." 🙂

It's like looking at the tip of an iceberg and failing to realize there's a whole mountain of ice sitting right beneath the surface...
slycrane94 slycrane94 Active Member
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#17 ·
Daniel Fowler9 said:Who actually cares about database storage size? I guess all that matters is how many SQL Server or Oracle licenses were sold, even if they're just running databases that are two kilobytes big. It’s all about the raw numbers—how many of one versus the other—and clearly Microsoft is winning the database game too (just look at page 65 of the report!). You should probably do some reading.

This is just another comment that proves you don't really grasp the IT market, how these technologies are actually used, or how to read statistics. Where is the logic in that, especially since you claim to be a mathematician? But then again, I suppose there are always people who miss the point.

First off, people ask about system counts, not total investment or anything else.
Enterprise licenses are billed based on capacity, CPU count, and so on. This isn't the consumer desktop market.

It's the same when someone asks if they use Windows as a server; you never know what kind of server we're talking about. Most people have Windows servers because they use Windows for desktops and non-critical edge applications. That's a far cry from claiming Microsoft dominates the high-end server segment.

The top tier is still dominated by Unix, and that isn't changing anytime soon.

Furthermore, this statistic is based on a sample of just over 1,600 companies of all sizes. That doesn't represent much in any specific segment. Besides, this data is just for the US, which is much more favorable toward Microsoft than the rest of the world (just remember the European Union is still tied up in legal battles with Microsoft, and there's a good chance the fines will be massive).

Not to mention, Linux is being integrated into government agencies more and more, pushing back against Microsoft (and Microsoft makes its money on Office, anyway).

That's just a few thoughts. Next time, maybe think before jumping into these discussions. As the saying goes, "there are lies, bigger lies, the biggest lies, and then there's statistics."
Jose Stewart7 Jose Stewart7 Newcomer
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#18 ·
quote:Jose Stewart7 said:you have 1 site, now you have 20 -> highest penetration
another guy has 100,000 then he has 100,010 -> much lower penetration :-) Statistics can be quite interesting.

The report indicates that Microsoft has the largest market share everywhere. I believe you mentioned in your earlier posts that Microsoft actually has a very low penetration rate within the enterprise sector. This comparison involving 20 sites seems somewhat misleading because it focuses on absolute growth rather than relative growth, though perhaps it's just a matter of how one interprets the document when it's presented. I wonder why one wouldn't simply look at what is written there without any preconceived notions?

In my specific example, the absolute growth is actually twice as high.
Is a gain of +19 compared to a gain of +10 clear enough?
Jose Stewart7 Jose Stewart7 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Daniel Fowler9 said:That is absolutely correct. It really is.


Of course. Maybe if you stop crying, someone will give you some chocolate. 😁


You might want to ask yourself why, for instance, Shadowman remains silent and doesn't deny this. I suppose it is because he knows. Shadowman, 😍

Daniel Fowler9 🙄

Perhaps it is simply because he is wiser and chooses not to engage in such trivialities.
Patrick Morris3 Patrick Morris3 Member
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#20 ·
I guess I’m at least basing my statements on something: in this specific instance, we are looking at a serious document that wasn't actually authored by Microsoft.

I'm not sure how long you've been working at Microsoft, but if you had been there just a few years longer, you would probably remember plenty of documents that weren't written by Microsoft—even if they were funded by them. Those documents ended up being such an absolute embarrassment immediately afterward that they actually helped the competitors more than they helped Microsoft itself...

It seems now that they are only circulating these documents internally to mess with the heads of sales managers...

Actually, a cousin of mine is a sales manager over at IBM in Chicago, and he used to explain to me all the nonsense companies use just to impress clients. What you wrote here is exactly that kind of thing...

Just counting fake points to make some product look way better than it really is....

You claim that web solutions are represented almost as much as Java solutions, but everyone here knows that simply isn't true. I believe even you must realize that Java solutions are everywhere—from the entire web where you see Java at every turn, down to the J2MA solutions used in all the newer mobile phones—whereas nobody has ever actually seen a web solution like this...

I am aware that you work for Microsoft and that they pay you to push this kind of garbage, but please, I beg you, refrain from doing this here. This isn't a soap opera or a radio show. Maybe suggest to your boss that they pay for this junk and then publish it in a magazine as an advertisement, rather than you having to act like this in a public forum....

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