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Participants silentridge3Sam Green73Sandra Gonzalez3steelskipper5Adam Collins4Brian Edwards6Charles Jackson5Gerald Rivera17steeleagle70Charles Fox10Drew Brooks8hollowtrucker77ambermason16Henry Cox78Jacob Foster11Jose White18redcrane63Brenda Sanders56Daniel Ward87William Green4
Jose White18 Jose White18 Member
45 messages
joined Dec 2010
#41 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:Well, if you ask me, there’s a massive difference here, and I’m not seeing how anyone could argue otherwise.
One guy is gone, nothing left but a fading memory and some old stories, while the other is still very much alive, walking free, and fully capable of standing up for himself or filing a lawsuit if he feels like it...

Is that really the only reason? 🙄
If insults aren't allowed, it shouldn't matter if the target is living or dead.
If twisting someone's name just to provoke them counts as trolling, then being dead doesn't change that fact.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#42 ·
hollowtrucker77, I’m talking about having actual class here
you know how it goes: keep it classy, even when you're talking about the deceased
Charles Jackson5 Charles Jackson5 Active Member
107 messages
joined Oct 2008
#43 ·
Jacob Foster11 said:Twisting someone's name is textbook trolling. It violates basic netiquette and has no place in decent online discourse.

You're just trolling, man. Simple as that. ☕
What even is this "netiquette" thing? Some kind of digital constitution governing every single interaction online?
Have you ever actually engaged in a political debate—real ones—or maybe picked up a book where actual political discourse happens? Or even read some historical transcripts from Congress?
If not, then you clearly don't grasp what's happening here... which means you're just trolling.
You can take this "netiquette" nonsense and throw it out the window. It’s nothing more than vague guidelines—and if fanatics like you insist on using them to police every single opinion that isn't your own... well, we're in trouble. At that point, we might as well shut down 80% of this forum and leave only the hyper-specialized sub-boards for you "experts" to live out your little renaissance.
Trapped by dogma... and the funniest part is, it's dogma imposed by sources you don't even understand the logic or the scope of.

Look at this guy 🙂
Jacob Foster11 Jacob Foster11 Active Member
132 messages
joined Nov 2007
#44 ·
Netiquette isn't just some vague suggestion. According to Wikipedia:
Netiquette is a set of social conventions that facilitate interaction over networks

Look at that first part. Netiquette is a collection of social conventions. In other words, standards of behavior. That means breaking netiquette is improper conduct.

Now, look at the definition of a troll:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

So, a troll is someone who writes specifically to provoke an emotional reaction from others. Now tell me... Why are political names being misspelled? Isn't that done precisely to trigger a reaction? Isn't that trolling? And trolling is banned on this forum—you should know that.

Finally... I have no idea where you see any trolling in my posts. I am not trying to provoke anyone; I am simply stating facts. I stay away from the Politics subforum because it’s a breeding ground for trolls. There is absolutely zero chance of having a high-quality, reasoned discussion on any topic there (IMHO).

Since I refuse to engage in further bickering, I'm dropping this thread. Good luck to everyone...
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
286 messages
joined Apr 2011
#45 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:Well, if you ask me, there’s a massive difference here, and I’m not seeing how anyone could argue otherwise.
One guy is gone, nothing left but a fading memory and some old stories, while the other is still very much alive, walking free, and fully capable of standing up for himself or filing a lawsuit if he feels like it...

Yeah, someone would totally sue just because some random person on a forum insulted their looks. 🤣
It really just comes down to how you choose to handle things. ☕
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
286 messages
joined Apr 2011
#46 ·
Jacob Foster11 said:Netiquette isn't just some vague suggestion. According to Wikipedia:
Netiquette is a set of social conventions that facilitate interaction over networks

Look at that first part. Netiquette is a collection of social conventions. In other words, standards of behavior. That means breaking netiquette is improper conduct.

Now, look at the definition of a troll:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

So, a troll is someone who writes specifically to provoke an emotional reaction from others. Now tell me... Why are political names being misspelled? Isn't that done precisely to trigger a reaction? Isn't that trolling? And trolling is banned on this forum—you should know that.

Finally... I have no idea where you see any trolling in my posts. I am not trying to provoke anyone; I am simply stating facts. I stay away from the Politics subforum because it’s a breeding ground for trolls. There is absolutely zero chance of having a high-quality, reasoned discussion on any topic there (IMHO).

Since I refuse to engage in further bickering, I'm dropping this thread. Good luck to everyone...

So you're saying netiquette is basically just manners? Like, do people actually get punished for having bad manners in real life? No, they don't... 😁
Sam Green73 Sam Green73 Active Member
144 messages
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#47 ·
Henry Cox78 said:So you're saying netiquette is basically just manners? Like, do people actually get punished for having bad manners in real life? No, they don't... 😁

Oh, they absolutely get penalized for lacking manners.
The real punishment is social isolation, and since we're all social creatures by nature, being cast out is a pretty heavy price to pay.

It even plays a huge role in the professional world—when you're looking for a job or trying to climb the corporate ladder at a place like Google or JPMorgan Chase, your soft skills and politeness matter just as much as your resume.
The funny thing is, people who lack those basic manners often mistake being passed over for a promotion as some kind of conspiracy, rather than realizing they just need to work on themselves.
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
286 messages
joined Apr 2011
#48 ·
Sam Green73 said:Oh, they absolutely get penalized for lacking manners.
The real punishment is social isolation, and since we're all social creatures by nature, being cast out is a pretty heavy price to pay.

It even plays a huge role in the professional world—when you're looking for a job or trying to climb the corporate ladder at a place like Google or JPMorgan Chase, your soft skills and politeness matter just as much as your resume.
The funny thing is, people who lack those basic manners often mistake being passed over for a promotion as some kind of conspiracy, rather than realizing they just need to work on themselves.

So, is Bernie Sanders shunned by society? 😁
Charles Jackson5 Charles Jackson5 Active Member
107 messages
joined Oct 2008
#49 ·
Jacob Foster11 said:Netiquette isn't just some vague suggestion. According to Wikipedia:
Netiquette is a set of social conventions that facilitate interaction over networks

Look at that first part. Netiquette is a collection of social conventions. In other words, standards of behavior. That means breaking netiquette is improper conduct.

Now, look at the definition of a troll:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

So, a troll is someone who writes specifically to provoke an emotional reaction from others. Now tell me... Why are political names being misspelled? Isn't that done precisely to trigger a reaction? Isn't that trolling? And trolling is banned on this forum—you should know that.

Finally... I have no idea where you see any trolling in my posts. I am not trying to provoke anyone; I am simply stating facts. I stay away from the Politics subforum because it’s a breeding ground for trolls. There is absolutely zero chance of having a high-quality, reasoned discussion on any topic there (IMHO).

Since I refuse to engage in further bickering, I'm dropping this thread. Good luck to everyone...

Look, I’m saying those rules should be applied a bit more flexibly when we're talking about politics—or at least the edge of it. In a political debate, you actually *want* to provoke your opponent. Not through the usual mindless stupidity you see everywhere, obviously.
Because that's how you actually see what they're made of—their motives, their worldview, and ultimately, whether their arguments even hold water.
Why do people clash so fiercely in Congress? It's to sharpen their ideas and assert dominance. I’m not talking about supporting loudmouths or thugs—it's about helping people whose logic gets drowned out by the sea of idiots who, despite any supposed "decorum," kill the entire point of a discussion. Those are the real spammers and trolls, and honestly, that’s why moderators need to be high-quality—so they can actually tell the difference.

If you ask me, there should only be two hard rules for the political sections: no mentioning family members and no downplaying crimes or abuses. Period.
The situation has improved significantly because moderation on the political fringes has become more flexible—and overall, because the admins finally grew a backbone and purged the nationalist spammers and provocateurs who have always been the core problem and a burden on this forum.
Now that they're gone, you can see how much smoother the political debates run and how many new users are actually joining in.
It means less work for the mods and fewer toxic mantras or hateful rhetoric.
That’s the right direction for this place—it’s about time it was realized. Get rid of those few radical chauvinists and you’ll have a political forum worthy of the major American political forums.
steeleagle70 steeleagle70 Active Member
85 messages
joined May 2012
#50 ·
Charles Jackson5 said:Look, I’m saying those rules should be applied a bit more flexibly when we're talking about politics—or at least the edge of it. In a political debate, you actually *want* to provoke your opponent. Not through the usual mindless stupidity you see everywhere, obviously.
Because that's how you actually see what they're made of—their motives, their worldview, and ultimately, whether their arguments even hold water.
Why do people clash so fiercely in Congress? It's to sharpen their ideas and assert dominance. I’m not talking about supporting loudmouths or thugs—it's about helping people whose logic gets drowned out by the sea of idiots who, despite any supposed "decorum," kill the entire point of a discussion. Those are the real spammers and trolls, and honestly, that’s why moderators need to be high-quality—so they can actually tell the difference.

If you ask me, there should only be two hard rules for the political sections: no mentioning family members and no downplaying crimes or abuses. Period.
The situation has improved significantly because moderation on the political fringes has become more flexible—and overall, because the admins finally grew a backbone and purged the nationalist spammers and provocateurs who have always been the core problem and a burden on this forum.
Now that they're gone, you can see how much smoother the political debates run and how many new users are actually joining in.
It means less work for the mods and fewer toxic mantras or hateful rhetoric.
That’s the right direction for this place—it’s about time it was realized. Get rid of those few radical chauvinists and you’ll have a political forum worthy of the major American political forums.

That’s just how it works in these low-rent systems, right? It’s all about baiting the other guy. You basically try to make them look like a total joke just to get under their skin. The goal? Troll them until they lose their cool and snap back at you. It’s way easier than actually using logic or having a decent debate, isn't it? So everyone just dives straight into the cheap shots, starting with small jabs and eventually spiraling into full-blown personal attacks. Just typical.

We gotta rip this stuff out by the roots, right? Fast and hard. I mean, think about it. You’ve got ten trolls killing off a thousand good, helpful people. Why? Because those ten agitators just keep spamming twenty different threads at once, one after another. It's wild, isn't it?

I haven't really seen anyone actually win an argument on Reddit or Twitter just by using logic, you know? Most of the time, people just get heated by poking fun at each other or some low-key trolling. It’s all about the banter, isn't it?

I mean, obviously, I’m not talking about those brainless, half-baked tactics you see popping up all over Washington lately. You know the ones. Total nonsense, right?
I mean, honestly? It’s all about getting a real look at who you're actually talking to. You get to see their whole vibe—their motives, how they see the world, and ultimately, if what they're saying actually holds any water. Isn't that the whole point?
Ever wonder why everyone in Congress starts throwing shade and getting all heated during debates? Like, why can't they just chill? Wouldn't it be way more effective if they actually focused on strengthening their own arguments and proving their points instead of just yelling? Just a thought.

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Honestly, why do they act like that in Congress? It’s because the whole culture of debate is just... bottom tier. I mean, some places are absolute trash, while in other spots, people are practically throwing hands on live TV! Someone really needs to start handing out bans in there, don't you think?

Look, I’m not trying to give any favors to the loudmouths or the total jerks online. Honestly? I just want to protect the people who actually have something smart to say—you know, the ones whose points get drowned out by a massive wave of trolls and spammers. It's frustrating, right? These guys act like they have manners, but then they swoop in and completely derail the whole conversation. They just kill the vibe. That’s exactly why we need top-tier moderators. If you don't have someone who can actually spot those subtle differences between a heated debate and pure nonsense, what's the point? We need pros who can tell the difference.

Loosening up the rules only helps the trolls, honestly. Why even bother? Normal people are already keeping things chill and respectful anyway. Strict rules don't even touch us regular folks, so what's the point?

If you ask me, politics—especially when things get messy on the fringes—should really boil down to just two simple rules. First off, leave family out of it. Seriously, why bring them into the fray? And second? Stop playing games with crimes. No more making excuses or acting like bad actions don't matter. Isn't that how it should be? Just keep it simple.

Maybe we should play it a bit safer with the politics, you know? Like, we really need some ground rules here. Honestly, why even bother debating when the quality of discussion is such a joke anyway? After just two or three posts, everyone starts throwing around labels like "fascist," "commie," or whatever other extreme political slur they can dig up. It’s exhausting. Once that happens, all the regular, sane people just bail. They're gone. Why stay? Looking at the threads lately, it feels like maybe 40% of the topics are actually decent, but the other 60%? Pure trolling. It’s just people digging up old grudges and trying to force these ancient beefs back onto the feed. What's the point?

I’m telling you, things have really started looking up lately. Honestly? It’s mostly because the folks in D.C. finally stopped being so rigid and started playing things a bit more flexibly on the political side of things. Isn't that just how it works? You loosen the grip a little, and suddenly everything starts moving again.
modding, or just politics in general... basically because the admins and mods finally grew some backbone and cleared out those nationalist spammers and provocateurs who were always causing drama and dragging this whole forum down.

fixed?? man, half the people here deserve a ban, and every third thread is either racist, offensive, discriminatory, or just straight-up trolling.

Now that they're gone, political discussions are actually flowing better, and we're seeing more new folks joining in.
The mods don't even have much to do now, and there's way less toxic mantras and heavy insults flying around.

what?😕🤷

That's the right way to go, bringing this place up to the standard it deserves. Glad they finally realized it. Get rid of those few chauvinist crazies and you've got a political forum on par with the big-name US political boards.

The "right way" started once the crackdown began, not before... once the bans started flying, people actually started watching their mouths.

And it's not like all this happened just because you got a warning for mocking Ronald Reagan?? Look, I think everything about Reagan was bad, but he deserved a warning for two reasons: one, changing his name like that is just rude and low-class, not satire, and two, you're basically making fun of a guy for a physical trait...

Just say Reagan was corrupt or Bush was a thief and you've made your point. Anything beyond that is just trolling because you're trying to bait his supporters by poking the bear.

I don't get why you want to sink to the level of these trolls and make it easy for them to wreck the forum...
Charles Jackson5 Charles Jackson5 Active Member
107 messages
joined Oct 2008
#51 ·
steeleagle70 said:That’s just how it works in these low-rent systems, right? It’s all about baiting the other guy. You basically try to make them look like a total joke just to get under their skin. The goal? Troll them until they lose their cool and snap back at you. It’s way easier than actually using logic or having a decent debate, isn't it? So everyone just dives straight into the cheap shots, starting with small jabs and eventually spiraling into full-blown personal attacks. Just typical.

We gotta rip this stuff out by the roots, right? Fast and hard. I mean, think about it. You’ve got ten trolls killing off a thousand good, helpful people. Why? Because those ten agitators just keep spamming twenty different threads at once, one after another. It's wild, isn't it?

I haven't really seen anyone actually win an argument on Reddit or Twitter just by using logic, you know? Most of the time, people just get heated by poking fun at each other or some low-key trolling. It’s all about the banter, isn't it?

I mean, obviously, I’m not talking about those brainless, half-baked tactics you see popping up all over Washington lately. You know the ones. Total nonsense, right?
I mean, honestly? It’s all about getting a real look at who you're actually talking to. You get to see their whole vibe—their motives, how they see the world, and ultimately, if what they're saying actually holds any water. Isn't that the whole point?
Ever wonder why everyone in Congress starts throwing shade and getting all heated during debates? Like, why can't they just chill? Wouldn't it be way more effective if they actually focused on strengthening their own arguments and proving their points instead of just yelling? Just a thought.

.
Honestly, why do they act like that in Congress? It’s because the whole culture of debate is just... bottom tier. I mean, some places are absolute trash, while in other spots, people are practically throwing hands on live TV! Someone really needs to start handing out bans in there, don't you think?

Look, I’m not trying to give any favors to the loudmouths or the total jerks online. Honestly? I just want to protect the people who actually have something smart to say—you know, the ones whose points get drowned out by a massive wave of trolls and spammers. It's frustrating, right? These guys act like they have manners, but then they swoop in and completely derail the whole conversation. They just kill the vibe. That’s exactly why we need top-tier moderators. If you don't have someone who can actually spot those subtle differences between a heated debate and pure nonsense, what's the point? We need pros who can tell the difference.

Loosening up the rules only helps the trolls, honestly. Why even bother? Normal people are already keeping things chill and respectful anyway. Strict rules don't even touch us regular folks, so what's the point?

If you ask me, politics—especially when things get messy on the fringes—should really boil down to just two simple rules. First off, leave family out of it. Seriously, why bring them into the fray? And second? Stop playing games with crimes. No more making excuses or acting like bad actions don't matter. Isn't that how it should be? Just keep it simple.

Maybe we should play it a bit safer with the politics, you know? Like, we really need some ground rules here. Honestly, why even bother debating when the quality of discussion is such a joke anyway? After just two or three posts, everyone starts throwing around labels like "fascist," "commie," or whatever other extreme political slur they can dig up. It’s exhausting. Once that happens, all the regular, sane people just bail. They're gone. Why stay? Looking at the threads lately, it feels like maybe 40% of the topics are actually decent, but the other 60%? Pure trolling. It’s just people digging up old grudges and trying to force these ancient beefs back onto the feed. What's the point?

I’m telling you, things have really started looking up lately. Honestly? It’s mostly because the folks in D.C. finally stopped being so rigid and started playing things a bit more flexibly on the political side of things. Isn't that just how it works? You loosen the grip a little, and suddenly everything starts moving again.
modding, or just politics in general... basically because the admins and mods finally grew some backbone and cleared out those nationalist spammers and provocateurs who were always causing drama and dragging this whole forum down.

fixed?? man, half the people here deserve a ban, and every third thread is either racist, offensive, discriminatory, or just straight-up trolling.

Now that they're gone, political discussions are actually flowing better, and we're seeing more new folks joining in.
The mods don't even have much to do now, and there's way less toxic mantras and heavy insults flying around.

what?😕🤷

That's the right way to go, bringing this place up to the standard it deserves. Glad they finally realized it. Get rid of those few chauvinist crazies and you've got a political forum on par with the big-name US political boards.

The "right way" started once the crackdown began, not before... once the bans started flying, people actually started watching their mouths.

And it's not like all this happened just because you got a warning for mocking Ronald Reagan?? Look, I think everything about Reagan was bad, but he deserved a warning for two reasons: one, changing his name like that is just rude and low-class, not satire, and two, you're basically making fun of a guy for a physical trait...

Just say Reagan was corrupt or Bush was a thief and you've made your point. Anything beyond that is just trolling because you're trying to bait his supporters by poking the bear.

I don't get why you want to sink to the level of these trolls and make it easy for them to wreck the forum...

I've never actually been flagged for using that nickname—I only brought it up because people were relentlessly praising Mason while the mods sat there doing nothing.
I've never even had an issue on the main politics board; I actually respect this forum enough to know the difference between a real discussion and the gutter.

Besides, we can't all be clones of each other—all polite and perfect. I've got my own style, you've got yours, and so on... 🤷
Jose White18 Jose White18 Member
45 messages
joined Dec 2010
#52 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:hollowtrucker77, I’m talking about having actual class here
you know how it goes: keep it classy, even when you're talking about the deceased

In this specific case, that argument just doesn't hold up. Not at all. 👎
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#53 ·
You've got a point there
my bad
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
286 messages
joined Apr 2011
#54 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:You've got a point there
my bad

Payback time. 😁
redcrane63 redcrane63 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Apr 2007
#55 ·
Daniel Ward87 got flagged for this one:

torrio said:There’s definitely a political angle behind this, just as much as a spiritual one. For those identifying as Americans but following Orthodox traditions, this represents political independence—finally being able to practice their faith freely within an American Orthodox church. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if some Mexicans who are true believers found solace here too; unlike the state-run institutions, this offers actual spirituality instead of that criminal, ultra-nationalist fascism.

Yet, nobody flagged these posts:

Cody said:That’s what I was thinking; they were drinking blood just like you guys; they did it from prisoners while you did it from some Jewish zombie...🙂

Cody said:Exactly, just like the Jews back in the 1st century when they invented that whole Jewish zombie religion...


So, I have to ask: is making fun of the Catholic Church allowed here, but saying anything against the Orthodox Church is off-limits? Is this because of the moderator's own background, or is there some other reason for the double standard? 🤷
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
130 messages
joined Aug 2012
#56 ·
I don't think you can really compare the two.

Take Franjo Harmon, for example. He was our first president, and more importantly, he dealt with a visible facial tic—a physical struggle that people often poked fun at. Personally, I’m not sure how tasteful it is to make light of someone's disability. 🤷

On the other hand, Josip Manjko is very much still with us. He’s been active in politics up until recently and likely will be again, but the point is, he doesn't have any actual physical impairments that people use for ridicule.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#57 ·
redcrane63 said:Daniel Ward87 got flagged for this one:

Yet, nobody flagged these posts:

So, I have to ask: is making fun of the Catholic Church allowed here, but saying anything against the Orthodox Church is off-limits? Is this because of the moderator's own background, or is there some other reason for the double standard? 🤷

redcrane63, were you the one who reported those specific posts?
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#58 ·
Brenda Sanders56 said:I don't think you can really compare the two.

Take Franjo Harmon, for example. He was our first president, and more importantly, he dealt with a visible facial tic—a physical struggle that people often poked fun at. Personally, I’m not sure how tasteful it is to make light of someone's disability. 🤷

On the other hand, Josip Manjko is very much still with us. He’s been active in politics up until recently and likely will be again, but the point is, he doesn't have any actual physical impairments that people use for ridicule.

Honestly, it feels like a huge overreaction over a single warning. Like Brenda Sanders56 pointed out, mocking Krivosunik based on a facial "flaw" is one thing, but handing out a strike would happen to anyone, not just if they were talking about Franjo Harmon.

As for Josip Manjko and Burduš, that label says more about the author's character and their clearly negative take on Josip Manjko. Whether we're talking about real-world etiquette or internet rules, it’s just not cool to talk about people that way. Look, if Josip Manjko is a "Burduš" to some people, I don't want to be in a spot where I have to issue a strike for an opinion. I might delete a post, but issuing a formal strike—well, if we start doing that, then everyone gets a strike every time someone calls a politician a jerk or a loser. If that's how we're playing it, fine by me, but let's be clear about the precedent.🤷

hollowtrucker77 said:redcrane63, were you the one who reported those specific posts?

Cody already got banned, so I don't see any reason to hand out extra strikes.🤷

Daniel Ward87
William Green4 William Green4 Member
32 messages
joined Feb 2010
#59 ·
The nickname Burduš is actually a jab at how Manjko looks.
But honestly, that’s beside the point.
I want to reiterate my position one more time, as I truly believe it is the only principled way to look at this.
Every single President of the United States is an institution established through legitimate, lawful elections.
Whether people personally like them or not is irrelevant; when you insult any President, you aren't just attacking an individual, you are insulting the very foundation of democracy in this country.
I am perfectly entitled to hold whatever private opinions I wish about any President, but I don't believe there is any reason to resort to public insults!
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#60 ·
Burduš is actually a character from an old American comedy sketch back in the 1970s, played by Jovan Janjičijevič Janačko. He played a jazz musician playing the double bass. http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1358244
Or, more simply: Burduš is just some guy from a small town in the Midwest.

In my opinion, this level of communication is quite inappropriate.

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