Banned from Spirituality?!

Why am I blocked from the Spirituality PDF?

Ever since this and that thread, I’ve been locked out of there entirely.
Oh, and that old topic too.

Is this because I filed complaints about the moderators—their arrogance, their double standards, all of that?

It isn't just that she was shutting down threads simply because people she personally dislikes were posting in them. She didn't just close one chat, open another, close that one, then open a third, only to invent brand new rules the second those same people showed up (I can't even find the rules now since I can't access Spirituality, how lovely 🙄.... ). It’s not just that she plays favorites while bullying others for purely personal reasons; now she’s actually driving people away?

Can someone please explain what's going on?

So, this is how you deal with people you don't like. When you've tried everything else to get them to leave and they’re still hanging around, you just ban them from access to the PDF. Well done, Florence. You’ve essentially confirmed every single accusation leveled against you—that you play favorites with certain users and shut down threads just to subtly drive away anyone who doesn't like you. It's all spot on. And then, when those "subtle" tactics fail, you resort to outright bans. Bravo. I really have to wonder how much longer this kind of power trip from Moderator Florence will be tolerated. What's next on the agenda? Honestly, I don't even need to be creative to guess...

And just one question for the administration: What is the actual purpose of this sub-forum if users aren't allowed to complain about moderator misconduct or the bullying by the moderator's little inner circle? From what I can see, as soon as someone files a complaint, those "unwanted" users are immediately kicked off specific PDFs without any legitimate reason whatsoever.

Sandra Parker3 said:Why am I blocked from the Spirituality PDF?

Ever since this and that thread, I’ve been locked out of there entirely.
Oh, and that old topic too.

Is this because I filed complaints about the moderators—their arrogance, their double standards, all of that?

It isn't just that she was shutting down threads simply because people she personally dislikes were posting in them. She didn't just close one chat, open another, close that one, then open a third, only to invent brand new rules the second those same people showed up (I can't even find the rules now since I can't access Spirituality, how lovely 🙄.... ). It’s not just that she plays favorites while bullying others for purely personal reasons; now she’s actually driving people away?

Can someone please explain what's going on?

I can still access it. First, immediately after our group showed up in the chat, she implemented new guidelines that apply specifically to the post and post sections. Then, almost immediately after that, she turns a blind eye while allowing one specific user to go absolutely wild in that same chat, targeting both the very people who prompted the new rules and other regular members. To top it all off, she kicks out a female member just for pointing out her double standards, rather than defending the person she so fiercely supports while they harass, bully, and threaten others. 🙏

🙂

Until I get some actual clarity on this partial ban... I'm going to link the problematic section from the Ghost Story official chat one more time:
Here we go. page I can't believe I'm actually doing this, but here we go. #1136 Anyway, there's more to it, but I can't stop dwelling on something that's been eating at me lately...

You guys really thought it was funny to joke around about the fluorite curse at my expense, but check out post 1136—I can't even quote it properly here since I lost that feature, and honestly, just typing out what's above was such a massive headache.

I guess I should probably mention that I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately, though I’m sure most people wouldn't care to hear my rambling thoughts on the matter.

Dammit, stop throwing stuff around! Curses. To everyone who disagrees. 🙂

I'm the one who cooked up these curses.
Where did this post from moderator Florinin come from?
First off, I haven't seen a single threatening post from Yivanmukteov yet—unless you count that one thread about the baptism.

Why is that post being treated like the opening act?

Is there actually something that existed before, just out of sight? 😕

Sandra Parker3 said:🙂

Until I get some actual clarity on this partial ban... I'm going to link the problematic section from the Ghost Story official chat one more time:
Here we go. page I can't believe I'm actually doing this, but here we go. #1136 Anyway, there's more to it, but I can't stop dwelling on something that's been eating at me lately...

You guys really thought it was funny to joke around about the fluorite curse at my expense, but check out post 1136—I can't even quote it properly here since I lost that feature, and honestly, just typing out what's above was such a massive headache.

I guess I should probably mention that I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately, though I’m sure most people wouldn't care to hear my rambling thoughts on the matter.

Dammit, stop throwing stuff around! Curses. To everyone who disagrees. 🙂

I'm the one who cooked up these curses.
Where did this post from moderator Florinin come from?
First off, I haven't seen a single threatening post from Yivanmukteov yet—unless you count that one thread about the baptism.

Why is that post being treated like the opening act?

Is there actually something that existed before, just out of sight? 😕

I have to admit, despite my claims of having an elephant's memory, I completely blanked on the most important detail. Before reading this post from Florinin, I noticed that Yivanmukta had already started a thread titled: The fluorite curse. The subject line featured that angry little smiley face, and the thread itself just contained a link to the same song—same music video, plus a broken image link that wouldn't load. At the time, I found it a bit odd that he’d post that specific track, but I was in a rush and didn't have a second to actually look into it. When I eventually circled back to the forum, the entire thread had vanished. All that remained were those two threatening posts where the user's handle had been scrubbed. My best guess? The thread was nuked, and Florine had already jumped into the chat to comment on it.

Sean Cruz said:I have to admit, despite my claims of having an elephant's memory, I completely blanked on the most important detail. Before reading this post from Florinin, I noticed that Yivanmukta had already started a thread titled: The fluorite curse. The subject line featured that angry little smiley face, and the thread itself just contained a link to the same song—same music video, plus a broken image link that wouldn't load. At the time, I found it a bit odd that he’d post that specific track, but I was in a rush and didn't have a second to actually look into it. When I eventually circled back to the forum, the entire thread had vanished. All that remained were those two threatening posts where the user's handle had been scrubbed. My best guess? The thread was nuked, and Florine had already jumped into the chat to comment on it.

thanks, girl. I knew something felt off from the start; the timeline just didn't add up properly.

So here's the breakdown:

- Yivanmukta starts a thread titled "curse for..."

- the moderator Florence (or maybe it's N'dug, who knows, they never show up) deletes that thread

- Florence goes on the chat to give him a "friendly" little warning among pals

- Yivanmukta then drops two more posts that are basically identical to the first one—one on the chat and one on the main thread—where he reposts everything from the deleted thread including the other user's
handle.
- In those posts, the handle of the user being threatened is scrubbed.

- And yet, Yivanmukta doesn't get a single strike. Not for the intimidation in his post, and certainly not for reposting content a moderator already wiped... he even goes on to write a post explaining the way God reacts to his own inner experiences. 😲

- Then I show up in the chat asking what on earth is going on.

- Florence snaps back at me and tells me exactly what I should be doing about it.

- I follow instructions, and suddenly I'm banned from Spirituality.

- And meanwhile... Florence stays silent about the fact that there was an entire thread created by Yivanmukte in some fit of subconscious frenzy. 😲
ps: Not only did you leave a trail with your own post, but you also left another post where Yivanmukte is out there threatening people with "God help you, watch yourself... [username]" ugh.

Heyyyyy Florence, why am I being chased away from Spirituality? Why don't you come down here and explain?

N'dug, instead of running my name through the mud (and this is just one of many posts) over on the Philosophy chat, why don't you step up and explain things too?

Why was I kicked out of Spirituality?

It’s been three days now... still radio silence... what am I supposed to do here? 🤔

N'dug is busy talking about me over on the philosophy chat, Florence is off contemplating hyenas and vultures...
and not a single one of them is offering an actual explanation.

Is it just standard policy for this forum to hand out partial bans without any reasoning—just deciding on a whim and calling it a day? Or what gives?

Fine, let me rephrase: can someone just open the door to Spirituality so I can get back to writing in peace?
But seriously, I still want to know why I was kicked off.
I mean, I can wait if I have to, but it doesn't feel right...

I don't know the first thing about this whole case, but if it helps anyone out—and I mean totally unrelated to you—I’ve noticed before that Florence has this distinct way of treating her inner circle versus everyone else. It just took me a minute to wrap my head around the punchline, mostly because nobody bothers to list "friend of Florinin" in their profile bios, 😉

Four whole days... and still nothing. Not a single word. 🙏

I'm noticing some changes happening around here on the forum. Someone sent a PM to two of the admins—one's gone, and the other just hasn't bothered to reply. Meanwhile, Florence keeps running her mouth about me over in the Spirituality section. Oh yeah, she’s totally fine with that, mostly because she knows I can't get a word in edgewise over there. It's just phenomenal. 🙏

I’d probably bet money that someone’s going to try and talk the mods into shutting this whole thread down or just banning me for good, honestly.

Alright, let's try this then. Since she won't come around on her own, I guess I'll just have to drag her here myself.

Florence:

Just take a look. The spam and trolling going on in that Spirituality through Art and Wisdom thread you and Sandra Parker3 started is just getting ridiculous. Whatever, I'm not telling anyone anything.So, that’s all I have to say about my supposed double standards.

I ended up posting about whatever was helping me unwind in those moments, because honestly, that’s where I find my sense of spirituality. It isn't your business to judge my taste in music, artists, photography, or what I consider sacred—nor is it your place to critique how I choose to mess around.
Whenever you feel like I’m starting to step outside the lines, you just trigger that little mechanism you've got set up to pull me back in.

You deleted my post and slapped me with a 30-point penalty for "breaking forum rules," so don't try to tell me it was "nothing." Either you were lying to me, or you weren't telling the truth.
Look, I already told you that I was just messing with you. I was teasing you because you kept shutting down the threads I started, and then I actually invited you to join in on the joke, which you obviously turned down—hey, your call. But I did make it clear that any perceived bad intentions on my part should be completely disregarded.

Maybe if you finally learned something useful in life, you’d realize you should be pointing fingers at the people trying to sell you something, not the ones telling you the truth.
Look, you can't really throw anything at me, and nobody's going to come around here trying to scam me, because I handle everything myself. To you. She mentioned this in a DM a few months back—just a little heads-up for those reading.

It’s funny how that works—when people give you a pass, suddenly everything is fine, but the second they extend that same grace to someone else, it becomes an absolute outrage. You guys are really out here nitpicking over nothing. You guys are really lighting bonfires now...

Or "I'm picking pool hair" out of my teeth... see those quotation marks? Look, Florence, you know exactly whose words those are. I made it very clear that certain people around here actually know who their own relatives are. Thanks for that.

Florence:

Maybe everyone else is in the dark, but we know exactly what's going on—we all know how one single person (okay, fine, two people) can make sure everyone finds out. My name and my alleged drug tendencies., What exactly were you and Sandra Parker3 playing at with those sneaky little messages you kept leaving here?

You’re making up stuff about Florence. Link one single post where I actually mentioned or even hinted at your supposed drug habits.

Get off your high horse and try to find one single sneaky message from me here. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I don't even know your first or last name, and honestly, it’s pretty gross how you're throwing around these insinuations for no reason. I already told you in that DM back when you were getting flagged—you completely misjudged me.
Just because you think I share the same views as those other people you keep grouping me with, doesn't mean you're right; that's honestly just a massive flaw in your logic.

No, now it’s obvious you kicked me out of the Spirituality group just because of some personal vendetta, right? It's a total grudge match. You're making half of this stuff up, too—I haven't the slightest clue who those two people are supposed to be. I could guess, but why bother? Honestly, I couldn't care less about what you're failing to grasp here; I just stay out of these kinds of games and refuse to get involved—it was a total mistake for Florence...

Florence:

... I won't even list which posts Sandra Parker3 is actually targeting me in because I have zero interest in making this public. I really don't want the whole damn forum knowing our business.

Fine, then just post them somewhere else. Just send those specific posts directly to me and one of the admins
TAKE DOWN THE POSTS THAT ARE TARGETING ME RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Let that part just fade away quietly...

I am NOT letting this go quietly.

Seriously, I'm insisting we settle this: where exactly did I ever mention your name?

My privacy is sacred—I thought I made that incredibly obvious, but apparently not...

This has crossed a line, Florence. You have no idea how badly you've messed up here. Even if we don't see eye to eye, I was never your enemy, so watch your tone and your timing.

So I guess there's nobody here I can actually report when someone is out here trashing me for supposedly leaking private info?

Yeah... typical nitpicking over nothing.

Chris Lopez59 said:I don't know the first thing about this whole case, but if it helps anyone out—and I mean totally unrelated to you—I’ve noticed before that Florence has this distinct way of treating her inner circle versus everyone else. It just took me a minute to wrap my head around the punchline, mostly because nobody bothers to list "friend of Florinin" in their profile bios, 😉

Yeah, you're spot on. Thanks for putting that into words, because...

There are others who have noticed this too, they just don't bother showing up here.

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Still waiting on an explanation for why I was banned from the spirituality forum.

And this is just the icing on the cake...

Florence:

... Yeah, generally speaking, I try to avoid banning because I don't view this forum as some kind of disciplinary institution, and my experience tells me that banning doesn't solve anything—it actually makes things worse ....

Oh, please... you're avoiding 😕 nonsense😕.
And your experience sure is telling, though clearly, it’s a bit one-sided.

Anyway, you reminded me—I have our old chat saved in my profile; it's available if anyone wants to see it... where you explain how you're totally against the forum's policies, against permanent bans, and against selective banning. Well, Florence, 🙄

you even mentioned how your whole strategy was to invite certain nicknames/clones who got kicked off other forums over to Spirituality (the original chat is right there in my profile).🙏

That explains why there was suddenly such a massive influx of unknown handles on "your" thread, "Spirituality through Art and Wisdom."
Then there's your little self-congratulatory moment about how activity on Spirituality spiked thanks to your efforts.

And then you kick me out, the inconvenient one, just because you brought in so many of "your people."

Sorry, quick tangent:
This reminds me of that politician who tried to move entire populations just so he could have his own controlled voting machine.
And once they do that, they become untouchable.
Is that really how we want to run things in the US?
If I looked at myself in the mirror right now, I’d probably be terrified.😲

Florence:

Just like how boldsailor32 and Parsi didn't get banned or warned for the idiotic threads they started, Yivan won't either. Got it? -

Look, nobody is asking for a ban over an idiotic thread.
Yivanmukta had way more than just one idiotic thread... add at least three more idiotic posts to the tally (and "idiotic" is your word, and those posts are basically clones of the deleted thread, I'm not exaggerating).
You deleted the thread and reorganized the posts, but nothing happened to him. If it had been anyone else, we’d already have our answer!

So, what's the reason for my partial ban? Which of my "idiotic" posts was the problem?

I know I wasn't really invited to this conversation, so my apologies in advance for jumping in, but I've been following the thread for a bit and I just feel compelled to say something... I really want to see this whole mess get sorted out properly. Personally, the idea of banning someone from an entire subforum sounds absolutely draconian to me, almost too extreme for anyone involved, and I can't help but think there have to be more constructive ways to set things right without going nuclear... So, I’m just calling for a little more tolerance and some actual good faith from everyone involved, because at the end of the day, we should all be able to hang out in this digital space that honestly means quite a lot to all of us. 🙂

Florence said:Besides, stupid threads pop up here almost every day that either N or I have to delete or toss out. As long as I’m moderating this space, nonsense topics won't result in bans, regardless of what you think about that. Got it? Just like how boldsailor32 and Parsi didn't get banned or carded for the nonsense threads they started, neither will Yivan. Clear? So if you still believe I'm playing favorites, I don't know what to tell you. You're meddling where you don't belong and just causing confusion, useless arguments, and tension.
Stop acting like a drama queen. Instead, work on your tolerance and stop letting your own biases run the show.

If we handed out bans for every idiot on this forum, there wouldn't be anyone left to moderate.

Day 5 without a response.....

rustymaker5 said:I know I wasn't really invited to this conversation, so my apologies in advance for jumping in, but I've been following the thread for a bit and I just feel compelled to say something... I really want to see this whole mess get sorted out properly. Personally, the idea of banning someone from an entire subforum sounds absolutely draconian to me, almost too extreme for anyone involved, and I can't help but think there have to be more constructive ways to set things right without going nuclear... So, I’m just calling for a little more tolerance and some actual good faith from everyone involved, because at the end of the day, we should all be able to hang out in this digital space that honestly means quite a lot to all of us. 🙂

thanks rustymaker5, not sure how much you've gathered, though it isn't exactly rocket science.
this whole mess could be fixed, but since I'm the only one here while the other side is venting on the chat 🙄, the basic requirements for a solution just aren't met.

honestly, when a ban—or even a partial one—is handed out without justification, it's counterproductive and usually just blows up in the face of whoever started it.
but hey, even the birds are singing about that.

In my opinion, there needs to be a rock-solid reason for this, and as self-critical as I am, I don't see a single shred of provocation in my own behavior...

when you factor in the total lack of basic manners, coming here to give explanations...
and then you add the fact that people are talking about all of this on the chat (like with N'dug and on the neighboring forum thread)...
..... then it’s hard to believe a solution can actually be found.

look 🤔, a solution is always possible, but just like any other choice in life, what's happening now carries its own consequences.

Besides, I already showed my good faith a few months back; after my yellow card, I had two posts—one was a Florinin, the other mine—as a sign that everything was smoothed over.

Now, expecting me to just shut up whenever I see something that triggers a reaction... well, that's not really me. I'm not that kind of person (even though I know some people might tap their fingers impatiently at that... which is totally fine).

Moderators should be balanced individuals by trade, but it's a shame it often remains in the "should be" category.
Of course, I'm not saying they all are, and certainly not...

But when you have someone who doesn't know how to handle short-fused people, paired with someone who justifies those short-fused types based solely on their post count, you end up with situations like this.

Because it hasn't been clearly stated that the rules apply equally to everyone.

sorry rustymaker5, I was just building on your post, this isn't directed at you, it's just how I am... 😉
Though I appreciate you stopping by to check in; we aren't exactly close, more like acquaintances passing by, yet you still felt it was worth saying something.
thanks 🙂

@boldsailor32

At first glance, it looks like you just jumped in because someone was being "harsh" toward you.............. thanks.

And honestly... if more people actually stepped up instead of letting these outbursts slide, I think we'd all be better off, but hey, what can you do?🤷

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Anyway, word on the street is some little guardian angel—or maybe a bird, who knows, Florinin would tell us—tipped me off that I need to step in to balance out Yivanmukteov's sudden decision to go MIA, supposedly so I can carry my own weight here.

Blah blah blah 🤔 but seriously... what exactly am I responsible for?

Sandra Parker3 said:Florence:

... I won't even list which posts Sandra Parker3 is actually targeting me in because I have zero interest in making this public. I really don't want the whole damn forum knowing our business.

Fine, then just post them somewhere else. Just send those specific posts directly to me and one of the admins
TAKE DOWN THE POSTS THAT ARE TARGETING ME RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Let that part just fade away quietly...

I am NOT letting this go quietly.

Seriously, I'm insisting we settle this: where exactly did I ever mention your name?

My privacy is sacred—I thought I made that incredibly obvious, but apparently not...

This has crossed a line, Florence. You have no idea how badly you've messed up here. Even if we don't see eye to eye, I was never your enemy, so watch your tone and your timing.

So I guess there's nobody here I can actually report when someone is out here trashing me for supposedly leaking private info?

Yeah... typical nitpicking over nothing.

Where exactly was I hinting at your real-life Florence name?

I can fix the formatting so others don't see it, fine, but I'm still waiting for an actual answer to that accusation.
Besides, that kind of stuff is against the rules, isn't it?

Yeah... splitting hairs much?

Six days of silence... we're rolling into the seventh now...

N'dug is still making himself known all over the chat:

Sis really ought to be appointed as the moderator for spirituality just so she can moderate Sandra Parker3, though obviously with zero bias and pure bureaucracy.😳

thankfully, she isn't learning from you

And bureaucratic??? That's funny, aren't you the biggest advocate for anti-bureaucratic methods 🤷 (oh yeah, typical...)

Florence (to repeat):

I'm not going to post which specific comments Sandra Parker3 is using to target my name because I don't want this entire forum to know. Let's just let that part pass in silence..

you're lying, Florence

That's why you won't show up here—you don't have the guts to face me directly, so instead you hide up there behind your fragile little authority
What happens when you don't have it anymore?

It's obvious you weren't even mistaken; if you were, you would have responded to my calls to clear this up. Instead, you shamelessly lied in a space where I don't have direct access
God, how weak and cowardly... but then again, changing yourself is the hardest thing to do, isn't it?

Consider the issue of me posting your private info settled; I won't bring it up again, it's just... you're running short on time... or maybe you're just nosey. No, I haven't seen you, that was just a metaphor

Though it feels to me, in part, like this is just "casting pearls before swine." But I'm in such a mood, so what if I drop one appropriate line, just for those actually capable of understanding, while I wait...

it was all just an act
it was all just a cheap trick
and all those masks hide the pain
and someone else entirely

and..... why was I exiled from Spirituality?

You haven't been exiled from this spirituality forum; rather, we are simply attempting to maintain a level of order and peace that remains a complete fantasy whenever you are present. While there is a chance your partial ban might be overturned, every single one of your attacks against me pushes that possibility further and further out of reach. Therefore, I strongly suggest you retreat, take a step back, and truly reflect upon your actions.
On another note, what exactly was your objective in publishing screenshots of my private messages? Did you honestly believe the administration wasn't already fully aware of my ideas? 😲 Did you assume I was being foolish by sharing these with you for mere amusement, under the impression that the other moderators and admins were kept in the dark about my concepts? The truth is, I have been actively advocating for these very things for months now. By acting this way, you have merely demonstrated how unscrupulous, vindictive, and untrustworthy you truly are, proving that my assessment of you was not only accurate, but that I actually 😢precijeniti
you. Whether or not you are ever welcomed back to this community depends entirely on your own choices.
That is all I have to say regarding this matter.
By the way, I am absolutely trembling with fear at your hostility—look at me shaking :brrrr:. Should I interpret this as a threat and request that someone takes official disciplinary action? 🤔 🤣

Indeed, I must express my gratitude to the moderators of unknown for not locking this thread sooner; it has allowed me to gain a certain perspective on matters that I simply hadn't had the opportunity to observe until now. 🙂