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steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#41 ·
Kenneth Peterson5 said:But here’s the real deal—the Truth is that there are about 30 regular users on the Religion sub-forum who are seriously fed up with how you moderate, and it’s been going on for a long, long time.
And look, it’s not just Christians we're talking about—Muslims and agnostics are feeling it too.

I have to admit, rowdyhawk10, I used to be totally into your posts. You actually made me hang around the Religion section more often than I probably should.
When you stepped up as a moderator, I was one of the first people cheering you on, thinking, "Man, this sub just got the best moderator ever." To someone just skimming the surface, you might still seem like the perfect fit—but honestly? That couldn't be further from the truth.

I’ve been calling out your moderation for a year now—sometimes politely, sometimes... well, not so politely (which isn't my best look, I get it)—because the injustice you dish out is driving me crazy. It's not just directed at Christians; it's hitting Muslims and anyone else who doesn't jump through your hoops.

Personally, I’ve never had a run-in with you, so maybe I’m being a bit more objective than most, but the people complaining about your unfair deletions, warnings, and permanent bans? They're right.

You are a terrible moderator. Just, plain bad.
Please, for the sake of Miro—and yes, I capitalized that for a reason—just step down from the mod role and go back to being a regular user. Let us actually enjoy your posts again. Don't force us all to start turning our backs on you—because, honestly, besides legal threats and making headlines (which none of us really want to deal with, even if it's still an option on the table), that's all we've got left.

Just be rowdyhawk10 again—the guy we actually liked and thought was cool.

I’m laying this all out here completely straight and from the heart. I'm making it public because I want everyone to see it—especially those who have forgotten the good parts of you because of the constant unfairness you're pushing.

Best,

It’s rare that I agree with Kenneth Peterson5, but rowdyhawk10, please take a second to think about what she said... and also about the stuff I told you before... and those situations where you claimed you wouldn't hesitate to resign as moderator.

The worst part is that I don't see any decent replacements on the forum anymore... too many of us have already left.
Steven Clark2 Steven Clark2 Active Member
85 messages
joined Sep 2020
#42 ·
steelskipper5 said:It’s rare that I agree with Kenneth Peterson5, but rowdyhawk10, please take a second to think about what she said... and also about the stuff I told you before... and those situations where you claimed you wouldn't hesitate to resign as moderator.

The worst part is that I don't see any decent replacements on the forum anymore... too many of us have already left.

I suppose I am being a bit too blunt here—but I agree. Remind me, did you actually moderate under this handle a few years back??
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#43 ·
Steven Clark2 said:I suppose I am being a bit too blunt here—but I agree. Remind me, did you actually moderate under this handle a few years back??

Nah. I was a mod ages ago, back on the old (Monitor's) forum, using the handle cp.tar.

Interesting mix of tenses there, by the way. 😬
rowdyhawk10 rowdyhawk10 Active Member
123 messages
joined Oct 2009
#44 ·
steelskipper5 said:I’m done posting in Religion. I've had enough of everyone else—and honestly, the moderation around here is just way too soft for my liking.
Look, with this massive influx of Christian warriors lately, the moderators are too scared to actually do their jobs properly—so stuff that would get you a permanent ban on other subforums gets a slap on the wrist here. Since I tend to argue at whatever level my opponent is playing at, I somehow end up getting handed warnings way too often. It’s like some troll gets a free pass just because they're "new," while I, a total forum veteran, don't get any leeway at all. For example, I get flagged for being insulting just because I suggested someone was being dense—which, honestly, leaves enough room for error that maybe I just misunderstood them—yet certain Christian trolls can spout blatant hate speech without even getting a warning, let alone a ban for trolling or being hateful. I guess the mods just don't have the guts to hit them with the permanent ban button. Poor things.

By the way, they actually suggested me for a moderator position once before, but the forum admins shot me down. There were two main reasons: first, I probably would've been way stricter than the current crew—and second, since I'm not a Christian, those Christian fanatics would've probably gone absolutely ballistic.

Moderation around here is getting pretty chaotic—honestly, despite that huge number of declared moderators we're supposed to have, there are really only two, maybe three people actually doing anything. It’s dragging the whole Religion section right back to how things used to be on the old forum when Pollux was running the show—and let's be real, he barely had any time to properly moderate half the site anyway.

All of this is exactly why I walked away from Religion—I just don't have the patience to deal with a bunch of trolls who get slapped with nothing or tiny little warnings, while I end up taking disproportionately massive penalties. When that last moderator chewed me out, I didn't even bother appealing it, but let’s be real: it was pretty obvious that the Christian moderator didn't even give my Christian interlocutor a yellow card, even though they weren't acting any more politely than I was.

Look, I’ve got plenty of issues with how the Religion section is being moderated—including a certain level of subjectivity that rowdyhawk10 actually admitted to me in a private message—but I can tell you for sure that the problem isn't anything mentioned in those first three massive walls of text.

I'll admit that I have always been slightly more tolerant of Christians than other groups, even if only by a fraction. Now, there are five or six of them protesting without any real argument, claiming they're being threatened, though everything becomes quite obvious once you take a closer look at the underlying depth of the situation. You are one of the few people here who actually noticed this, and I suppose I should congratulate you on that—you're absolutely right, and I admit it:

steelskipper5 said:I’m done posting in Religion. I've had enough of everyone else—and honestly, the moderation around here is just way too soft for my liking.
Look, with this massive influx of Christian warriors lately, the moderators are too scared to actually do their jobs properly—so stuff that would get you a permanent ban on other subforums gets a slap on the wrist here. Since I tend to argue at whatever level my opponent is playing at, I somehow end up getting handed warnings way too often. It’s like some troll gets a free pass just because they're "new," while I, a total forum veteran, don't get any leeway at all. For example, I get flagged for being insulting just because I suggested someone was being dense—which, honestly, leaves enough room for error that maybe I just misunderstood them—yet certain Christian trolls can spout blatant hate speech without even getting a warning, let alone a ban for trolling or being hateful. I guess the mods just don't have the guts to hit them with the permanent ban button. Poor things.

By the way, they actually suggested me for a moderator position once before, but the forum admins shot me down. There were two main reasons: first, I probably would've been way stricter than the current crew—and second, since I'm not a Christian, those Christian fanatics would've probably gone absolutely ballistic.

Moderation around here is getting pretty chaotic—honestly, despite that huge number of declared moderators we're supposed to have, there are really only two, maybe three people actually doing anything. It’s dragging the whole Religion section right back to how things used to be on the old forum when Pollux was running the show—and let's be real, he barely had any time to properly moderate half the site anyway.

All of this is exactly why I walked away from Religion—I just don't have the patience to deal with a bunch of trolls who get slapped with nothing or tiny little warnings, while I end up taking disproportionately massive penalties. When that last moderator chewed me out, I didn't even bother appealing it, but let’s be real: it was pretty obvious that the Christian moderator didn't even give my Christian interlocutor a yellow card, even though they weren't acting any more politely than I was.

Look, I’ve got plenty of issues with how the Religion section is being moderated—including a certain level of subjectivity that rowdyhawk10 actually admitted to me in a private message—but I can tell you for sure that the problem isn't anything mentioned in those first three massive walls of text.

So, you were right—I did admit to being subjective. If it helps as some kind of justification, I suppose I’ve been cautious about engaging them in heavy debates for a multitude of reasons. First off, since I’m not a Christian, there’s always the risk that people might weaponize my religious background by claiming they are being "persecuted"—which, to be fair, is exactly what they’ve been doing in several other threads. Second, I’m not the only moderator here; I usually prefer to leave those specific cases to my colleagues so the weight doesn't fall entirely on me, especially since I know just how far a few of them are willing to go. That’s why I’ve focused more of my moderation efforts on the Muslims, whom, if I’m being honest, I probably understand a bit better. Third, there are just so many trolls on this site, and I’m not even sure many people actually see what’s happening—this thread itself is essentially a troll fest—so it’s difficult enough to go toe-to-toe with five trolls, let alone fifty.

And finally, I suppose I just prefer to side with the underdog in any given debate. 😈
(Just kidding! That last part doesn't count.) 🙂

I would argue that these few protesters aren't actually complaining about any perceived injustice from the moderation team. I mean, we have asked them quite openly on numerous occasions: Please provide some examples of how we have been unfair to you. Well, we didn't even receive the bare minimum of arguments to support that... I suppose it’s actually about something else entirely—the religious biases held by certain moderators. Specifically, the way Nicole James and I are being pressured to push for someone else to take over moderation duties. They seem to want someone who isn't part of the "Muslim" group or tied to groups like DIO, for instance. And if a Muslim happens to be a member of DIO, they seem even more insistent on it. 😍

steelskipper5 said:It’s rare that I agree with Kenneth Peterson5, but rowdyhawk10, please take a second to think about what she said... and also about the stuff I told you before... and those situations where you claimed you wouldn't hesitate to resign as moderator.

The worst part is that I don't see any decent replacements on the forum anymore... too many of us have already left.

First off, I’m not quite sure who you mean when you say "too many" have left, or specifically who you're referring to. Secondly, I view Kenneth Peterson5's post as just one example among many of her tendency toward relativism and vague generalizations, lacking any concrete factors. For instance, a specific link, a reference to a particular situation or person—that kind of thing would satisfy me.

When it comes to the work I do, I’m interested in specifics.
ASSERTION - PROOF - ... that’s how I operate. 🙂
(and perhaps only then, a REQUEST or ADVICE)

Meanwhile, Kenneth Peterson5 was merely offering requests and advice... and in doing so, she made general (rather than specific) claims that I’m a bad moderator. Because of that, I don't actually know what she is trying to say, so I don't really have anything to agree or disagree with. She simply didn't provide enough information in the post you quoted for me to identify the mistakes she's talking about, nor the "grave injustice" or the "hatred toward Christians" that she claims I am perpetrating here.

Furthermore, and this is quite important: on this FBI subforum, Kenneth Peterson5 has, on numerous occasions, written about me in a very incorrect, untruthful, and harsh manner, accusing me of the most inhumane things possible... often describing me as the lowest, most flagrant type of person. I can provide links if necessary, since her posts are all still there... but just one example: here... if I were even a fraction of that, I wouldn't just "step down," I’d grab myself by the collar and toss myself into a dumpster. And this style of hers (the true cause of which I haven't identified) has been going on for a long time—she says it's been a whole year now—but I never once replied to those accusations. I just watched from the sidelines, trying to connect the dots... At times, I honestly thought she hated me, and at other times, I thought she liked me... To be honest, even today, I'm not entirely clear on it. Granted, she did apologize here (saying "it serves me no purpose, truly") while explaining that she was driven by some "higher purpose." It is precisely that excuse that makes me think things might settle themselves out very soon.

Consequently, I have no reason to believe she is being completely sincere in the post you quoted. She was sincere last night when she apologized to me in a private message, which I accepted gladly and with genuine warmth... though even then (as it is now), it wasn't clear to me what she was actually apologizing for. It seems to me she has been studying "me" quite thoroughly both here and outside of this PDF, and I have no idea who else she has been writing about me to, besides here on the forum.

Just come back to the forum; my subjectivity, which I have admitted to, will, God willing, be corrected. Best regards,
Christian Gomez2 Christian Gomez2 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2009
#45 ·
@shady I was moved to tears yesterday because of you all. The way you deleted my posts was completely inappropriate. By erasing them, you have distorted the entire discussion regarding Christian prayer. I laid everything out clearly in the topic threads. I had no idea this is what I would be reading here now. I requested an urgent correction and for the posts you deleted to be restored. You did it for reasons known only to yourselves.
The question is asked: Do Christians pray to demons and Satan? My answer: No. One does not pray to Homo sapiens—to humans—and demons and Satan are not human. On this subject, people continue to mock exactly what you claim not to believe in. In your own words, you don't even understand the topic. By deleting posts, anyone visiting this section of the forum gets a false impression. You delete posts that objectively prove opposing views just to defend what is sacred to you but not to others. As you admitted yourself, you don't understand the subject matter you are moderating. I believe it is time for you to step down, because through unconsciousness and ignorance of the subject, you are forcing us to doubt your objectivity.

I am not sure if this post will result in a warning, but if it does, I wear it with pride.
Christian Gomez2 Christian Gomez2 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2009
#46 ·
@shady claimsI maintain that these protesters aren't actually complaining about moderator bias. We have asked them repeatedly: "give us specific examples of how we've treated you unfairly"—and they haven't provided a single shred of evidence. This isn't about fairness; it's about their religious friction with certain moderators... specifically Nicole James and myself. They are trying to pressure us into appointing someone else as a moderator. Someone who isn't a "Muslim" or part of the DIO group, for instance. And when a Muslim becomes a member of DIO, they lose it.

CLAIM - PROOF - ... this is how I operate

Where exactly is the proof for your claim that I ever wrote something like that? Honestly, I have nothing to say to that.

I work from dawn until dusk, and right now I am on vacation. I don't even have my own email; I just registered through my daughter's account. I come back here to find my posts deleted, and now I face these unbelievable accusations.
rowdyhawk10 rowdyhawk10 Active Member
123 messages
joined Oct 2009
#47 ·
Christian Gomez2 said:@shady claimsI maintain that these protesters aren't actually complaining about moderator bias. We have asked them repeatedly: "give us specific examples of how we've treated you unfairly"—and they haven't provided a single shred of evidence. This isn't about fairness; it's about their religious friction with certain moderators... specifically Nicole James and myself. They are trying to pressure us into appointing someone else as a moderator. Someone who isn't a "Muslim" or part of the DIO group, for instance. And when a Muslim becomes a member of DIO, they lose it.

CLAIM - PROOF - ... this is how I operate

Where exactly is the proof for your claim that I ever wrote something like that? Honestly, I have nothing to say to that.

I work from dawn until dusk, and right now I am on vacation. I don't even have my own email; I just registered through my daughter's account. I come back here to find my posts deleted, and now I face these unbelievable accusations.

I didn't actually say you were the one who wrote it; I was referring to the people participating in this thread and those protesting here before you did. You're a new member, just recently registered, whereas they have been around much longer than you.

Your posts were removed from this thread because they drifted off-topic. Essentially, a troll, Kuntakint (who apparently has at least 50 banned accounts here and keeps re-registering), asked you something unrelated to the topic, and you engaged in a discussion with him. I'm thinking of those bot accounts (braveheart, kretnjaimir, etc.). I feel bad that you're upset, but perhaps if you familiarize yourself with these rules, everything will be fine. Best regards.
Christian Gomez2 Christian Gomez2 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2009
#48 ·
My responses were directed toward @PIP Boy 2000 and that specific handle. Your citation is nothing more than trolling, because you aren't actually naming the people who hate you. If they are present, name them. If you are talking about someone who isn't even here, that's even worse. Your entire argument has devolved into claiming this wasn't aimed at me, while ignoring everything else I wrote in the Comics section. I see you skillfully dodging the question. As for the off-topic post, it's perfectly clear that it answers the original question from the start of the thread. Go read the Comics section. Best regards.
ruggedeagle10 ruggedeagle10 MemberOP
25 messages
joined Oct 2010
#49 ·
rowdyhawk10, I don't even have the energy to go through every single one of your absurd statements posted here just to debunk them—not that it would matter to you, given how blinded you are.

I’ve just witnessed your latest crusade against anyone who disagrees with you regarding Religion, and frankly, it serves as total validation for my original point. You might insist this thread is nothing more than trolling, but that’s clearly just a byproduct of your own fanaticism.

You're the one actually trolling here...whether it's in this discussion or across numerous other threads about Religion. If you truly believe I'm wrong... by all means, go ahead. On the very first page of this thread alone, there are three lengthy posts directed at you for good reason. I've provided plenty of links that prove my case. Why don't you study them, formulate a defense, and try to talk sense into us? If you actually succeed, I have an endless supply of links documenting your lack of objectivity, your unfairness, your blatant bias, your censorship, and the sheer contempt you show toward Christians in the first place. So, please, be my guest... start. Proving this thread is "trolling" by simply labeling it as such doesn't prove anything; it just proves you're doubling down on empty, hollow methods of deception. Therefore... show me and prove it. Prove I'm wrong by using actual arguments to dismantle my points one by one. If you can't do that—or if you refuse because you know I'm right and you don't want to expose yourself yet again—then for once in your life, do something decent and human: shut up. Stop this Jihad you're waging here, which you are destined to lose, and stop the trolling. Is that clear enough for you?

I'll leave you with this one thought... you have serious issues, my friend, truly serious... 😢
Kenneth Peterson5 Kenneth Peterson5 Active Member
124 messages
joined Nov 2007
#50 ·
rowdyhawk10 said:I'll admit that I have always been slightly more tolerant of Christians than other groups, even if only by a fraction. Now, there are five or six of them protesting without any real argument, claiming they're being threatened, though everything becomes quite obvious once you take a closer look at the underlying depth of the situation. You are one of the few people here who actually noticed this, and I suppose I should congratulate you on that—you're absolutely right, and I admit it:

So, you were right—I did admit to being subjective. If it helps as some kind of justification, I suppose I’ve been cautious about engaging them in heavy debates for a multitude of reasons. First off, since I’m not a Christian, there’s always the risk that people might weaponize my religious background by claiming they are being "persecuted"—which, to be fair, is exactly what they’ve been doing in several other threads. Second, I’m not the only moderator here; I usually prefer to leave those specific cases to my colleagues so the weight doesn't fall entirely on me, especially since I know just how far a few of them are willing to go. That’s why I’ve focused more of my moderation efforts on the Muslims, whom, if I’m being honest, I probably understand a bit better. Third, there are just so many trolls on this site, and I’m not even sure many people actually see what’s happening—this thread itself is essentially a troll fest—so it’s difficult enough to go toe-to-toe with five trolls, let alone fifty.

And finally, I suppose I just prefer to side with the underdog in any given debate. 😈
(Just kidding! That last part doesn't count.) 🙂

I would argue that these few protesters aren't actually complaining about any perceived injustice from the moderation team. I mean, we have asked them quite openly on numerous occasions: Please provide some examples of how we have been unfair to you. Well, we didn't even receive the bare minimum of arguments to support that... I suppose it’s actually about something else entirely—the religious biases held by certain moderators. Specifically, the way Nicole James and I are being pressured to push for someone else to take over moderation duties. They seem to want someone who isn't part of the "Muslim" group or tied to groups like DIO, for instance. And if a Muslim happens to be a member of DIO, they seem even more insistent on it. 😍

First off, I’m not quite sure who you mean when you say "too many" have left, or specifically who you're referring to. Secondly, I view Kenneth Peterson5's post as just one example among many of her tendency toward relativism and vague generalizations, lacking any concrete factors. For instance, a specific link, a reference to a particular situation or person—that kind of thing would satisfy me.

When it comes to the work I do, I’m interested in specifics.
ASSERTION - PROOF - ... that’s how I operate. 🙂
(and perhaps only then, a REQUEST or ADVICE)

Meanwhile, Kenneth Peterson5 was merely offering requests and advice... and in doing so, she made general (rather than specific) claims that I’m a bad moderator. Because of that, I don't actually know what she is trying to say, so I don't really have anything to agree or disagree with. She simply didn't provide enough information in the post you quoted for me to identify the mistakes she's talking about, nor the "grave injustice" or the "hatred toward Christians" that she claims I am perpetrating here.

Furthermore, and this is quite important: on this FBI subforum, Kenneth Peterson5 has, on numerous occasions, written about me in a very incorrect, untruthful, and harsh manner, accusing me of the most inhumane things possible... often describing me as the lowest, most flagrant type of person. I can provide links if necessary, since her posts are all still there... but just one example: here... if I were even a fraction of that, I wouldn't just "step down," I’d grab myself by the collar and toss myself into a dumpster. And this style of hers (the true cause of which I haven't identified) has been going on for a long time—she says it's been a whole year now—but I never once replied to those accusations. I just watched from the sidelines, trying to connect the dots... At times, I honestly thought she hated me, and at other times, I thought she liked me... To be honest, even today, I'm not entirely clear on it. Granted, she did apologize here (saying "it serves me no purpose, truly") while explaining that she was driven by some "higher purpose." It is precisely that excuse that makes me think things might settle themselves out very soon.

Consequently, I have no reason to believe she is being completely sincere in the post you quoted. She was sincere last night when she apologized to me in a private message, which I accepted gladly and with genuine warmth... though even then (as it is now), it wasn't clear to me what she was actually apologizing for. It seems to me she has been studying "me" quite thoroughly both here and outside of this PDF, and I have no idea who else she has been writing about me to, besides here on the forum.

Just come back to the forum; my subjectivity, which I have admitted to, will, God willing, be corrected. Best regards,

Ugh, Kenneth Peterson5. Always something with her. 🙄

First off, let’s settle the whole apology thing.
I’ve been trying for a long time to find the good in you (because trust me, I know it’s in there somewhere), but every single time, you let me down with how you treat Christians and Muslims who don't agree with you. I saw that you just weren't getting it, and I felt bad for you, so yeah, an apology followed. I truly regret that I couldn't help everyone who got burned by your behavior, and I also regret that I couldn't help you see just how much you're messing up in your little crusade.

Now, let’s talk about criticism versus just being a critic.
It’s become crystal clear to me that there is a massive difference between offering actual critique and just being critical. The difference is simple: someone who understands real critique takes it to heart, which means they don't need to be nagged further. On the flip side, if someone doesn't get it—or just refuses to listen because it hurts their ego—you could spend tomorrow criticizing them and it would still be pointless
. On top of that, I’ve realized we actually have a lot in common, specifically in our obsession with fighting for a "higher cause"—basically, the fight against injustice.
Because, look,
While I’ve spent the last year systematically hunting you down (okay, "critiquing" you) on this forum, you’ve spent the last year systematically hunting down (pointing out "problematic" users) Christians and Muslims who disagree with you.
So, we’re both incredibly stubborn about pursuing our "higher causes." The only real difference is that my "higher cause" is being able to look at myself in the mirror tomorrow morning.

If anyone wants to understand why injustice gets under my skin so much, I have to mention again that I’ve been dealing with chronic PTSD for years. Just the thought of war, or seeing those patterns repeat themselves, absolutely terrifies me.

And you, rowdyhawk10, you’re constantly at war, and your victims are always getting caught in the crossfire. It would have been impossible for me not to step in and defend the people who were most hurt by your toxic and, frankly, crazy behavior.

See, rowdyhawk10, you used your posts to act like the "nice guy" to everyone, which earned you favor with the users and even the moderators. You try to keep that favor through brown-nosing the admins and sucking up to users—especially atheists and agnostics—hoping you can eventually convert them to Islam. Unfortunately, there are always people who fall for that kind of act. And yeah, I was one of them once.

The truth is, what you’re doing here creates a toxic environment. It builds this image that ALL Muslims are just like you.
I’m certain the Muslims on this forum feel that too, and they’re already fed up because your actions cast a shadow over all of them!
You’re creating an atmosphere fueled by hate, mostly between Christians and Muslims, and you’ve contributed to it more than anyone else through your moderation.

And honestly, sending links to all the bad stuff you do is pointless now. I mean, when the admin team didn't react to banning the user black&white—whom you slandered and labeled a terrorist—when they ignored your hate speech toward Christians, and when Radu dropped his score from 500 to 35 points (which is ridiculous because he never deserved such a low score) instead of banning him entirely, while *still* keeping you on as a moderator... then it's just hopeless.Man, this administration is just pathetic.
I’m standing behind everything you said in that reply to steelskipper5—every single word of it. That first point was pure, unadulterated sarcasm, and that second one? Honestly, that’s about as much kindness as I can muster given my current state of mind.

At the end of the day, thanks to being "well-educated" by the whole Shady situation—yeah, I'm looking at you, rowdyhawk10—I really don't see myself having the energy to call out any more injustices anytime soon. I seriously doubt I'll have the will to offer even a shred of constructive criticism to anyone running this Reddit board, because from where I'm sitting, it feels like you can't get anything done with these people anyway.

Later,
feralpilot0 feralpilot0 Active Member
142 messages
joined Jul 2018
#51 ·
Since this thread is a complete mess—and there’s nowhere else to vent—rowdyhawk10, I suggest we just let this topic stay locked. There’s really no point in reviving discussions like this, especially given the toxic atmosphere in the Religion section and how quickly people jump to tear down anything that isn't "their" way. It’s clearly just a breeding ground for trolls and petty bickering.

Given that reality, it’s only natural that Christians will start digging in to defend the Bible—especially the real scholars—just as you would zealously defend Quranic Hadiths against malicious distortions...

I honestly think we're looking at a massive case of misunderstanding here...

Let’s try showing some good faith for once, shall we?
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#52 ·
rowdyhawk10 said:I'll admit that I have always been slightly more tolerant of Christians than other groups, even if only by a fraction. Now, there are five or six of them protesting without any real argument, claiming they're being threatened, though everything becomes quite obvious once you take a closer look at the underlying depth of the situation. You are one of the few people here who actually noticed this, and I suppose I should congratulate you on that—you're absolutely right, and I admit it:

So, you were right—I did admit to being subjective. If it helps as some kind of justification, I suppose I’ve been cautious about engaging them in heavy debates for a multitude of reasons. First off, since I’m not a Christian, there’s always the risk that people might weaponize my religious background by claiming they are being "persecuted"—which, to be fair, is exactly what they’ve been doing in several other threads. Second, I’m not the only moderator here; I usually prefer to leave those specific cases to my colleagues so the weight doesn't fall entirely on me, especially since I know just how far a few of them are willing to go. That’s why I’ve focused more of my moderation efforts on the Muslims, whom, if I’m being honest, I probably understand a bit better. Third, there are just so many trolls on this site, and I’m not even sure many people actually see what’s happening—this thread itself is essentially a troll fest—so it’s difficult enough to go toe-to-toe with five trolls, let alone fifty.

And finally, I suppose I just prefer to side with the underdog in any given debate. 😈
(Just kidding! That last part doesn't count.) 🙂

I would argue that these few protesters aren't actually complaining about any perceived injustice from the moderation team. I mean, we have asked them quite openly on numerous occasions: Please provide some examples of how we have been unfair to you. Well, we didn't even receive the bare minimum of arguments to support that... I suppose it’s actually about something else entirely—the religious biases held by certain moderators. Specifically, the way Nicole James and I are being pressured to push for someone else to take over moderation duties. They seem to want someone who isn't part of the "Muslim" group or tied to groups like DIO, for instance. And if a Muslim happens to be a member of DIO, they seem even more insistent on it. 😍

First off, I’m not quite sure who you mean when you say "too many" have left, or specifically who you're referring to. Secondly, I view Kenneth Peterson5's post as just one example among many of her tendency toward relativism and vague generalizations, lacking any concrete factors. For instance, a specific link, a reference to a particular situation or person—that kind of thing would satisfy me.

When it comes to the work I do, I’m interested in specifics.
ASSERTION - PROOF - ... that’s how I operate. 🙂
(and perhaps only then, a REQUEST or ADVICE)

Meanwhile, Kenneth Peterson5 was merely offering requests and advice... and in doing so, she made general (rather than specific) claims that I’m a bad moderator. Because of that, I don't actually know what she is trying to say, so I don't really have anything to agree or disagree with. She simply didn't provide enough information in the post you quoted for me to identify the mistakes she's talking about, nor the "grave injustice" or the "hatred toward Christians" that she claims I am perpetrating here.

Furthermore, and this is quite important: on this FBI subforum, Kenneth Peterson5 has, on numerous occasions, written about me in a very incorrect, untruthful, and harsh manner, accusing me of the most inhumane things possible... often describing me as the lowest, most flagrant type of person. I can provide links if necessary, since her posts are all still there... but just one example: here... if I were even a fraction of that, I wouldn't just "step down," I’d grab myself by the collar and toss myself into a dumpster. And this style of hers (the true cause of which I haven't identified) has been going on for a long time—she says it's been a whole year now—but I never once replied to those accusations. I just watched from the sidelines, trying to connect the dots... At times, I honestly thought she hated me, and at other times, I thought she liked me... To be honest, even today, I'm not entirely clear on it. Granted, she did apologize here (saying "it serves me no purpose, truly") while explaining that she was driven by some "higher purpose." It is precisely that excuse that makes me think things might settle themselves out very soon.

Consequently, I have no reason to believe she is being completely sincere in the post you quoted. She was sincere last night when she apologized to me in a private message, which I accepted gladly and with genuine warmth... though even then (as it is now), it wasn't clear to me what she was actually apologizing for. It seems to me she has been studying "me" quite thoroughly both here and outside of this PDF, and I have no idea who else she has been writing about me to, besides here on the forum.

Just come back to the forum; my subjectivity, which I have admitted to, will, God willing, be corrected. Best regards,

So, based on all that—I guess I don't really have any reason to believe she's being 100% honest in that post you just quoted.

I haven't seen you online for a while, so I just wanted to give you a quick nudge regarding some of the stuff we talked about last time we spoke. From where I'm standing, those points actually carry some weight—mostly because I remember us really digging into them together. I don't usually jump into Kenneth Peterson5's critiques—and honestly, I rarely agree with them anyway—but this felt different.
I'm back on the forum—and look, I've already admitted that I can be pretty subjective, so I guess my biases will just have to be corrected as we go. Best regards.

Alright, we'll see about that.
Christian Gomez2 Christian Gomez2 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2009
#53 ·
steelskipper5 said:I’m done posting in Religion. I've had enough of everyone else—and honestly, the moderation around here is just way too soft for my liking.
Look, with this massive influx of Christian warriors lately, the moderators are too scared to actually do their jobs properly—so stuff that would get you a permanent ban on other subforums gets a slap on the wrist here. Since I tend to argue at whatever level my opponent is playing at, I somehow end up getting handed warnings way too often. It’s like some troll gets a free pass just because they're "new," while I, a total forum veteran, don't get any leeway at all. For example, I get flagged for being insulting just because I suggested someone was being dense—which, honestly, leaves enough room for error that maybe I just misunderstood them—yet certain Christian trolls can spout blatant hate speech without even getting a warning, let alone a ban for trolling or being hateful. I guess the mods just don't have the guts to hit them with the permanent ban button. Poor things.

By the way, they actually suggested me for a moderator position once before, but the forum admins shot me down. There were two main reasons: first, I probably would've been way stricter than the current crew—and second, since I'm not a Christian, those Christian fanatics would've probably gone absolutely ballistic.

Moderation around here is getting pretty chaotic—honestly, despite that huge number of declared moderators we're supposed to have, there are really only two, maybe three people actually doing anything. It’s dragging the whole Religion section right back to how things used to be on the old forum when Pollux was running the show—and let's be real, he barely had any time to properly moderate half the site anyway.

All of this is exactly why I walked away from Religion—I just don't have the patience to deal with a bunch of trolls who get slapped with nothing or tiny little warnings, while I end up taking disproportionately massive penalties. When that last moderator chewed me out, I didn't even bother appealing it, but let’s be real: it was pretty obvious that the Christian moderator didn't even give my Christian interlocutor a yellow card, even though they weren't acting any more politely than I was.

Look, I’ve got plenty of issues with how the Religion section is being moderated—including a certain level of subjectivity that rowdyhawk10 actually admitted to me in a private message—but I can tell you for sure that the problem isn't anything mentioned in those first three massive walls of text.

I wouldn't say I was punished with a warning when I hadn't even written a couple of posts.

Let's set faith aside and ignore who belongs to what group.
Let's look at a simple comparison.
If someone starts a thread asking what river flows under the bridge in New York City.
And I write Hudson, that is an answer.
Then someone like rowdyhawk10 deletes my post and gives me a warning because it's off-topic.
The thread continues, but for those who write Hudson their posts are deleted.
I provided a direct answer to the topic and the question within it.🤷That is a fact, and whether the post was deleted maliciously or due to ignorance of the subject matter is not for me to judge.
feralpilot0 feralpilot0 Active Member
142 messages
joined Jul 2018
#54 ·
feralpilot0 said:Since this thread is a complete mess—and there’s nowhere else to vent—rowdyhawk10, I suggest we just let this topic stay locked. There’s really no point in reviving discussions like this, especially given the toxic atmosphere in the Religion section and how quickly people jump to tear down anything that isn't "their" way. It’s clearly just a breeding ground for trolls and petty bickering.

Given that reality, it’s only natural that Christians will start digging in to defend the Bible—especially the real scholars—just as you would zealously defend Quranic Hadiths against malicious distortions...

I honestly think we're looking at a massive case of misunderstanding here...

Let’s try showing some good faith for once, shall we?

Don't get me wrong—I'm not saying I support rowdyhawk10's actions—let me be crystal clear about that. When it comes to moderating Christian themes, rowdyhawk10, you are being EXTREMELY biased. It's something you really need to face up to.

Edit: fixed
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#55 ·
feralpilot0 said:Don't get me wrong—I'm not saying I support rowdyhawk10's actions—let me be crystal clear about that. When it comes to moderating Christian themes, rowdyhawk10, you are being EXTREMELY biased. It's something you really need to face up to.

Edit: fixed

And here I was thinking being impartial was actually a good thing... 🤷
Noah King2 Noah King2 Newcomer
2 messages
joined May 2007
#56 ·
Radeta has been unfairly banned once again. This follows the removal of ten (10) posts from the thread regarding bad biblical quotes, which were labeled as trolling or spam—though they certainly were not. Even if one were to concede that point, there are thousands upon thousands of similar unflagged posts written by other members, and I believe even rowdyhawk10 himself hasn't flagged them. It seems quite clear, however, that the true objective here is simply to eliminate Radeta from the forum entirely...
Kenneth Peterson5 Kenneth Peterson5 Active Member
124 messages
joined Nov 2007
#57 ·
steelskipper5 said:
So, based on all that—I guess I don't really have any reason to believe she's being 100% honest in that post you just quoted.

I haven't seen you online for a while, so I just wanted to give you a quick nudge regarding some of the stuff we talked about last time we spoke. From where I'm standing, those points actually carry some weight—mostly because I remember us really digging into them together. I don't usually jump into Kenneth Peterson5's critiques—and honestly, I rarely agree with them anyway—but this felt different.
I'm back on the forum—and look, I've already admitted that I can be pretty subjective, so I guess my biases will just have to be corrected as we go. Best regards.

Alright, we'll see about that.

Summary of Kenneth Peterson5's critiques:

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread again—honestly, some things never change. It’s like watching the same train wreck happen in slow motion every single week. People on Reddit just love to circle the drain, don't they? They get themselves all worked up over absolutely nothing, acting like they've discovered some deep, hidden truth when really they're just shouting into the void. The whole debate is just exhausting. You have people acting like they're experts on everything from theology to high-end audio, and frankly, most of them couldn't find their way out of a paper bag if you gave them a GPS and a flashlight. It’s all just noise. Pure, unadulterated noise. And don't even get me started on the "intellectuals" in the comments. You know the type—the ones who think having a strong opinion is the same thing as actually being right. They jump into these arguments with zero nuance, throwing around big words like they're going out of style, while completely missing the point of the actual conversation. It’s a circus, man. A total circus. Anyway, I'll probably be back here tomorrow to roll my eyes at the next predictable meltdown. It's become a bit of a habit at this point. Honestly, the administration is a total joke—I mean, seriously, how can they just sit there and let people push illegal substances like it’s some kind of free-for-all? It’s absolute madness. You see it happening right under their noses, and instead of actually doing their jobs, they just let the whole thing slide. It’s pure negligence, plain and simple. They’re supposed to be keeping things in check, but at this point, it feels more like they're looking the other way while everything goes to hell. It’s pathetic, really.

So, I’ve gotta call out one of our own board members for this one—it’s honestly pretty wild. This guy drops a line claiming that "Mexicans are an evil, hypocritical, and ugly people," and then acts like he isn't even insulting them? Like, excuse me? Give me a break. It’s just straight-up nonsense—he’s throwing around these heavy, hateful generalizations and then trying to play it cool, acting like it's just a casual observation or some deep truth he stumbled upon. It's total nonsense, really—just pure, unadulterated cynicism masquerading as a "hot take." You can't just toss out slurs against an entire group of people and then shrug your shoulders like you didn't just cross a massive line. It's exhausting, man. Honestly.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread—honestly, some people just have way too much free time on their hands. It’s like they live for the drama. Anyway, here's the deal with what's going on over on Reddit lately... So, here we go again—rowdyhawk10 is out here playing judge, jury, and executioner, crying about getting banned for some "hate speech" joke, while simultaneously dropping this absolute bombshell that anyone wearing a cross is basically just pushing a political agenda to oppress people. It’s honestly unreal. One minute he’s acting like the victim because someone called his bluff, and the next he's painting every Christian in America as some kind of political oppressor. Talk about a massive double standard—the hypocrisy is actually exhausting to watch.

Honestly, I’m just sitting here watching this whole thing unfold and—let's be real—the administration is absolutely sleeping at the wheel. It’s pathetic. They’re basically sitting on their hands while their own board members go on these massive hate speech rants, and they aren't doing a single damn thing about it. Like, hello? Are we even running a community here or just a playground for trolls? The sheer lack of follow-through is exhausting. You see these people spewing garbage, and instead of stepping in, the higher-ups just act like they didn't hear it. It’s pure negligence, plain and simple.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread again—honestly, my brain feels like mush after wading through all this nonsense on Reddit. It’s just one endless loop of people talking in circles, and frankly, most of them haven't a clue what they're actually discussing. The whole debate about faith and how people interpret these ancient texts is just... exhausting. You have people acting like they've cracked the code of the universe, throwing around references like they're experts, when really they're just shouting into the void. It’s the same old story every single time. One person starts talking about the Bible, someone else jumps in with the Quran, and before you know it, everyone is arguing over semantics instead of actually dealing with reality. And don't even get me started on the "experts" in the comments. They act so high and mighty, like their specific brand of spirituality makes them better than anyone else. It’s pure ego, if you ask me. Just a bunch of people looking for a sense of superiority by claiming they have a direct line to the Spirit or whatever. It’s all just noise. Honestly, most of these discussions could be summarized in five words, yet people spend hours typing out these massive manifestos that change absolutely nothing. It’s a circus, plain and simple. Honestly, looking at Volver... man, what a joke. It’s pretty clear they have zero business trying to moderate anything involving philosophy. Like, seriously? You can't just wing it when people are actually trying to dive deep into real thought. It’s pure incompetence, plain and simple.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread again—honestly, some things never change. It’s like watching the same train wreck play out on Reddit over and over. You’ve got people arguing about deep theological stuff like they actually have all the answers, while everyone else is just there to stir the pot or vent about how much everything sucks. The whole thing is just a mess of egos clashing. One minute you're talking about spirituality or some heavy philosophy, and the next, someone like rowdyhawk10 jumps in with an opinion that makes you want to throw your phone across the room. It's all just noise, really. People getting worked up over religious interpretations or trying to act like they've unlocked the secrets of the universe when they're basically just shouting into a void. And don't even get me started on the constant back-and-forth between the believers and the skeptics. It’s exhausting. It’s always the same cycle—someone drops a "truth" bomb, someone else calls it a bad biblical quote, and then the whole thread devolves into a massive argument. It's pure chaos, and honestly? I kind of love watching it burn. It’s the only way to stay awake around here. Honestly, the administration is totally tripping right now—putting one of Komaj’s cult followers in charge of the Spirituality section? Are you kidding me? It’s a complete joke. You can't just hand the keys to the kingdom to someone who follows that guy's weird agenda and expect any kind of actual moderation. It completely kills the vibe when the people running the show are clearly biased toward a specific sect. It’s messy, it’s unprofessional, and frankly, it’s just lazy management. Total disaster.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this again—it’s like digging through a dumpster behind a Taco Bell just to see if there's anything edible left. Honestly, people online are just exhausting. You get these threads where everyone thinks they're some kind of deep-thinking philosopher, but really, they're just shouting into the void. It's all noise. Total noise. Anyway, back to the point—if you actually bother to read what's being said, most of it is just pure nonsense wrapped in a layer of fake intellectualism. It's pathetic, really. People love to argue about things they don't understand just to feel important for five minutes. It doesn't change the reality of how things work, does it? It never does. Everything is just a cycle of the same old arguments, over and over, until we're all too tired to care. Just another day in the digital asylum. The administration is honestly such a joke—they just went ahead and slapped a permanent ban on ja_sanja for absolutely no reason at all, which is totally unfair if you ask me. It’s just pure nonsense. And then, to top off the whole ridiculous situation, Bellwether actually turns around and starts praising them for it? Give me a break. Total nonsense. I can't believe I even have to address this—it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. Honestly, looking at the absolute chaos happening over on Reddit lately, you really start to wonder if anyone actually uses their brain anymore. It’s just endless, mindless noise. And don't even get me started on what rowdyhawk10 is peddling. Seriously, that guy? He’s out here acting like he’s cracked the code on everything, but it’s all just fluff. It’s pure nonsense wrapped up in a way that makes him sound important, which is honestly pathetic. You see people nodding along to his garbage, and it just makes me want to roll my eyes into the back of my skull. Then you’ve got the rest of them—just drifting through life, picking sides without a single thought about the actual Truth of the matter. It’s exhausting. Everything feels so superficial now, like everyone is just playing a part in some massive, poorly written play. There’s no substance left, just ego and loud voices trying to drown out common sense. It’s enough to make you want to just unplug from everything and disappear....not even realizing we were talking about the exact same person;

So, let me tell you about this moderator over at Adriatic—total joke, right? This guy actually had the nerve to look a whole bunch of us in the eye and call us psychopaths. Like, excuse me? I’ve dealt with all kinds of egos, but the sheer arrogance coming off this dude was next level. He wasn't just being a jerk; he was acting incredibly condescending and completely out of line. Honestly, the way he carries himself—just straight-up rude and unprofessional—is exactly why people lose faith in these online spaces. It's pathetic, really. Just a massive power trip from someone who clearly can't handle a little pushback without throwing a tantrum and insulting everyone in sight. Absolute clown behavior.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this again—honestly, some things just never change. It’s like watching the same bad movie on loop. You look at these threads and you realize people are still circling the same drain, thinking they've found some deep, hidden truth when it's really just more noise. It’s all just endless chatter, isn't it? Everyone's got an opinion, everyone's trying to be the smartest person in the room, but at the end of the day, we're all just staring at the same screen, waiting for something that's never actually going to happen. It's exhausting, man. Just total, soul-crushing exhaustion. Look, I’ve gotta say it—rowdyhawk10 is seriously out of line with how he handles everything. It feels like he's just constantly looking for reasons to go on the attack, and honestly? The way he hands out bans for "racism" seems totally arbitrary at this point. It's getting exhausting watching him play judge and jury whenever someone says something he doesn't like. I honestly don't know why people bother even trying to argue about this stuff anymore—it’s like talking to a brick wall. You see these threads popping up on Reddit all the time where everyone thinks they've cracked the code on deep philosophical truths, but it's just noise. Total noise. Look, I've been around long enough to see the patterns. People get all worked up over one little snippet of text or some half-baked idea, thinking they've found the ultimate Truth, when really they're just circling the drain. It's exhausting. You try to bring some actual logic to the table, and suddenly you're the one getting shouted down by someone who probably hasn't read a book since high school. It's the same old story every single time. Everyone wants to be the smartest person in the room, but nobody actually wants to do the work. They just want the instant gratification of being "right." Honestly, it's pathetic. If you're going to jump into a debate, at least have the decency to show up with some substance—otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time. And trust me, my time is far too valuable for this kind of nonsense. The mods just nuked the thread—absolute joke. They went after those Christian users from Tazika, claiming there was racism involved, which is total nonsense (unless you’re looking at the world through rowdyhawk10's eyes, I guess).

I don't know about you guys, but I’ve been staring at this whole mess for a while now—just thinking about how much noise there is out there—and honestly? It’s exhausting. People act like they have all the answers, especially when they start throwing around religious arguments or trying to claim some absolute moral high ground. It’s all just a big circle of nonsense if you ask me. And then you’ve got people like rowdyhawk10, always chiming in with that specific brand of "certainty" that just makes my head spin. It’s like they think because they’ve read a certain book or follow a specific philosophy, they’ve suddenly unlocked the secrets of the universe. Newsflash: you haven't. We're all just spinning our wheels here. The more I look into these debates—this constant back-and-forth about spirituality versus logic—the more I realize most of it is just performative. People aren't looking for the Truth; they're looking for an audience. They want to feel right. They want to win the argument. But in the end, what does it actually change? Nothing. It’s just more digital shouting into the void. Anyway, just my two cents. I'm going to go grab a coffee and try to forget this entire thread exists for a few hours. Life's too short to argue about things that were decided thousands of years ago by people who didn't even have indoor plumbing. Look, I’ve gotta call out the Religion moderators for how they handled that appeal book back then—they basically went on a power trip just because someone was reading, which led to blue bird getting banned for absolutely no reason. It was total nonsense. Honestly, can we please add "reading is punishable" to the title of the appeal book? Just so we can avoid these ridiculous, unnecessary bans moving forward. Seriously.

I mean, seriously, can we talk about how much people love to pretend they've got it all figured out? It’s hilarious. Everyone walks around acting like they’ve decoded the universe—especially when it comes to religious debates—but most of them couldn't find their way out of a paper bag without a manual. Look at this thread. You've got people throwing around "truth" like it's something you can just pick up at a convenience store. It’s all just noise, honestly. People get so worked up over these deep spiritual questions, arguing about who’s right and who’s wrong, while completely missing the point that life is just... messy. There's no grand blueprint that everyone magically agrees on. And don't even get me started on the people who act like they're experts because they read one book or watched one documentary. They come in here with these massive egos, trying to lecture anyone who dares to have a different take. It's exhausting. Just total ego trips from start to finish. Honestly, if you want to actually learn something, stop listening to the loudmouths and maybe look inward for once. But hey, that's probably asking too much from this crowd, right? Look, let’s call it what it is—rowdyhawk10 is just out here spreading slander. He’s basically labeling anyone who disagrees with his specific take on the Quran as a terrorist, which is absolute nonsense. It's honestly pathetic—he can't handle the fact that people actually have their own interpretations, so he resorts to these wild accusations just because they don't fall in line with his personal views. Typical.

So, yeah, that pretty much sums up most of my beef—though I’m sure a few folks over at the Philosophy board have their own gripes, but that’s their whole vibe over there.

Since you’re claiming you don't agree with most of my points, I guess that means you think they're totally baseless. Which basically implies you're actually

down with pushing drugs on this forum,
okay with calling people psychopaths,
fine with slandering users and labeling them terrorists—even though, obviously, they aren't (but hey, maybe in your world they are),
totally cool with letting someone who openly advocates for the legalization of group sex run the Spirituality board,
on board with being arrogant and reckless when talking to people here,
and honestly, fine with using hate speech to trash Mexicans and Christians.

Or, at the very least, you're siding with most of that nonsense.

So, honestly, it doesn't exactly make you look like a saint that you constantly push back against Kenneth Peterson5's critiques.

(I didn't feel like dragging out all the links just to attach exact names. If you want to know, click. If not, whatever, who cares what things are called anyway.)
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#58 ·
Kenneth Peterson5 said:Summary of Kenneth Peterson5's critiques:

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread again—honestly, some things never change. It’s like watching the same train wreck happen in slow motion every single week. People on Reddit just love to circle the drain, don't they? They get themselves all worked up over absolutely nothing, acting like they've discovered some deep, hidden truth when really they're just shouting into the void. The whole debate is just exhausting. You have people acting like they're experts on everything from theology to high-end audio, and frankly, most of them couldn't find their way out of a paper bag if you gave them a GPS and a flashlight. It’s all just noise. Pure, unadulterated noise. And don't even get me started on the "intellectuals" in the comments. You know the type—the ones who think having a strong opinion is the same thing as actually being right. They jump into these arguments with zero nuance, throwing around big words like they're going out of style, while completely missing the point of the actual conversation. It’s a circus, man. A total circus. Anyway, I'll probably be back here tomorrow to roll my eyes at the next predictable meltdown. It's become a bit of a habit at this point. Honestly, the administration is a total joke—I mean, seriously, how can they just sit there and let people push illegal substances like it’s some kind of free-for-all? It’s absolute madness. You see it happening right under their noses, and instead of actually doing their jobs, they just let the whole thing slide. It’s pure negligence, plain and simple. They’re supposed to be keeping things in check, but at this point, it feels more like they're looking the other way while everything goes to hell. It’s pathetic, really.

So, I’ve gotta call out one of our own board members for this one—it’s honestly pretty wild. This guy drops a line claiming that "Mexicans are an evil, hypocritical, and ugly people," and then acts like he isn't even insulting them? Like, excuse me? Give me a break. It’s just straight-up nonsense—he’s throwing around these heavy, hateful generalizations and then trying to play it cool, acting like it's just a casual observation or some deep truth he stumbled upon. It's total nonsense, really—just pure, unadulterated cynicism masquerading as a "hot take." You can't just toss out slurs against an entire group of people and then shrug your shoulders like you didn't just cross a massive line. It's exhausting, man. Honestly.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread—honestly, some people just have way too much free time on their hands. It’s like they live for the drama. Anyway, here's the deal with what's going on over on Reddit lately... So, here we go again—rowdyhawk10 is out here playing judge, jury, and executioner, crying about getting banned for some "hate speech" joke, while simultaneously dropping this absolute bombshell that anyone wearing a cross is basically just pushing a political agenda to oppress people. It’s honestly unreal. One minute he’s acting like the victim because someone called his bluff, and the next he's painting every Christian in America as some kind of political oppressor. Talk about a massive double standard—the hypocrisy is actually exhausting to watch.

Honestly, I’m just sitting here watching this whole thing unfold and—let's be real—the administration is absolutely sleeping at the wheel. It’s pathetic. They’re basically sitting on their hands while their own board members go on these massive hate speech rants, and they aren't doing a single damn thing about it. Like, hello? Are we even running a community here or just a playground for trolls? The sheer lack of follow-through is exhausting. You see these people spewing garbage, and instead of stepping in, the higher-ups just act like they didn't hear it. It’s pure negligence, plain and simple.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread again—honestly, my brain feels like mush after wading through all this nonsense on Reddit. It’s just one endless loop of people talking in circles, and frankly, most of them haven't a clue what they're actually discussing. The whole debate about faith and how people interpret these ancient texts is just... exhausting. You have people acting like they've cracked the code of the universe, throwing around references like they're experts, when really they're just shouting into the void. It’s the same old story every single time. One person starts talking about the Bible, someone else jumps in with the Quran, and before you know it, everyone is arguing over semantics instead of actually dealing with reality. And don't even get me started on the "experts" in the comments. They act so high and mighty, like their specific brand of spirituality makes them better than anyone else. It’s pure ego, if you ask me. Just a bunch of people looking for a sense of superiority by claiming they have a direct line to the Spirit or whatever. It’s all just noise. Honestly, most of these discussions could be summarized in five words, yet people spend hours typing out these massive manifestos that change absolutely nothing. It’s a circus, plain and simple. Honestly, looking at Volver... man, what a joke. It’s pretty clear they have zero business trying to moderate anything involving philosophy. Like, seriously? You can't just wing it when people are actually trying to dive deep into real thought. It’s pure incompetence, plain and simple.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this thread again—honestly, some things never change. It’s like watching the same train wreck play out on Reddit over and over. You’ve got people arguing about deep theological stuff like they actually have all the answers, while everyone else is just there to stir the pot or vent about how much everything sucks. The whole thing is just a mess of egos clashing. One minute you're talking about spirituality or some heavy philosophy, and the next, someone like rowdyhawk10 jumps in with an opinion that makes you want to throw your phone across the room. It's all just noise, really. People getting worked up over religious interpretations or trying to act like they've unlocked the secrets of the universe when they're basically just shouting into a void. And don't even get me started on the constant back-and-forth between the believers and the skeptics. It’s exhausting. It’s always the same cycle—someone drops a "truth" bomb, someone else calls it a bad biblical quote, and then the whole thread devolves into a massive argument. It's pure chaos, and honestly? I kind of love watching it burn. It’s the only way to stay awake around here. Honestly, the administration is totally tripping right now—putting one of Komaj’s cult followers in charge of the Spirituality section? Are you kidding me? It’s a complete joke. You can't just hand the keys to the kingdom to someone who follows that guy's weird agenda and expect any kind of actual moderation. It completely kills the vibe when the people running the show are clearly biased toward a specific sect. It’s messy, it’s unprofessional, and frankly, it’s just lazy management. Total disaster.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this again—it’s like digging through a dumpster behind a Taco Bell just to see if there's anything edible left. Honestly, people online are just exhausting. You get these threads where everyone thinks they're some kind of deep-thinking philosopher, but really, they're just shouting into the void. It's all noise. Total noise. Anyway, back to the point—if you actually bother to read what's being said, most of it is just pure nonsense wrapped in a layer of fake intellectualism. It's pathetic, really. People love to argue about things they don't understand just to feel important for five minutes. It doesn't change the reality of how things work, does it? It never does. Everything is just a cycle of the same old arguments, over and over, until we're all too tired to care. Just another day in the digital asylum. The administration is honestly such a joke—they just went ahead and slapped a permanent ban on ja_sanja for absolutely no reason at all, which is totally unfair if you ask me. It’s just pure nonsense. And then, to top off the whole ridiculous situation, Bellwether actually turns around and starts praising them for it? Give me a break. Total nonsense. I can't believe I even have to address this—it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. Honestly, looking at the absolute chaos happening over on Reddit lately, you really start to wonder if anyone actually uses their brain anymore. It’s just endless, mindless noise. And don't even get me started on what rowdyhawk10 is peddling. Seriously, that guy? He’s out here acting like he’s cracked the code on everything, but it’s all just fluff. It’s pure nonsense wrapped up in a way that makes him sound important, which is honestly pathetic. You see people nodding along to his garbage, and it just makes me want to roll my eyes into the back of my skull. Then you’ve got the rest of them—just drifting through life, picking sides without a single thought about the actual Truth of the matter. It’s exhausting. Everything feels so superficial now, like everyone is just playing a part in some massive, poorly written play. There’s no substance left, just ego and loud voices trying to drown out common sense. It’s enough to make you want to just unplug from everything and disappear....not even realizing we were talking about the exact same person;

So, let me tell you about this moderator over at Adriatic—total joke, right? This guy actually had the nerve to look a whole bunch of us in the eye and call us psychopaths. Like, excuse me? I’ve dealt with all kinds of egos, but the sheer arrogance coming off this dude was next level. He wasn't just being a jerk; he was acting incredibly condescending and completely out of line. Honestly, the way he carries himself—just straight-up rude and unprofessional—is exactly why people lose faith in these online spaces. It's pathetic, really. Just a massive power trip from someone who clearly can't handle a little pushback without throwing a tantrum and insulting everyone in sight. Absolute clown behavior.

I can't believe I'm even looking at this again—honestly, some things just never change. It’s like watching the same bad movie on loop. You look at these threads and you realize people are still circling the same drain, thinking they've found some deep, hidden truth when it's really just more noise. It’s all just endless chatter, isn't it? Everyone's got an opinion, everyone's trying to be the smartest person in the room, but at the end of the day, we're all just staring at the same screen, waiting for something that's never actually going to happen. It's exhausting, man. Just total, soul-crushing exhaustion. Look, I’ve gotta say it—rowdyhawk10 is seriously out of line with how he handles everything. It feels like he's just constantly looking for reasons to go on the attack, and honestly? The way he hands out bans for "racism" seems totally arbitrary at this point. It's getting exhausting watching him play judge and jury whenever someone says something he doesn't like. I honestly don't know why people bother even trying to argue about this stuff anymore—it’s like talking to a brick wall. You see these threads popping up on Reddit all the time where everyone thinks they've cracked the code on deep philosophical truths, but it's just noise. Total noise. Look, I've been around long enough to see the patterns. People get all worked up over one little snippet of text or some half-baked idea, thinking they've found the ultimate Truth, when really they're just circling the drain. It's exhausting. You try to bring some actual logic to the table, and suddenly you're the one getting shouted down by someone who probably hasn't read a book since high school. It's the same old story every single time. Everyone wants to be the smartest person in the room, but nobody actually wants to do the work. They just want the instant gratification of being "right." Honestly, it's pathetic. If you're going to jump into a debate, at least have the decency to show up with some substance—otherwise, you're just wasting everyone's time. And trust me, my time is far too valuable for this kind of nonsense. The mods just nuked the thread—absolute joke. They went after those Christian users from Tazika, claiming there was racism involved, which is total nonsense (unless you’re looking at the world through rowdyhawk10's eyes, I guess).

I don't know about you guys, but I’ve been staring at this whole mess for a while now—just thinking about how much noise there is out there—and honestly? It’s exhausting. People act like they have all the answers, especially when they start throwing around religious arguments or trying to claim some absolute moral high ground. It’s all just a big circle of nonsense if you ask me. And then you’ve got people like rowdyhawk10, always chiming in with that specific brand of "certainty" that just makes my head spin. It’s like they think because they’ve read a certain book or follow a specific philosophy, they’ve suddenly unlocked the secrets of the universe. Newsflash: you haven't. We're all just spinning our wheels here. The more I look into these debates—this constant back-and-forth about spirituality versus logic—the more I realize most of it is just performative. People aren't looking for the Truth; they're looking for an audience. They want to feel right. They want to win the argument. But in the end, what does it actually change? Nothing. It’s just more digital shouting into the void. Anyway, just my two cents. I'm going to go grab a coffee and try to forget this entire thread exists for a few hours. Life's too short to argue about things that were decided thousands of years ago by people who didn't even have indoor plumbing. Look, I’ve gotta call out the Religion moderators for how they handled that appeal book back then—they basically went on a power trip just because someone was reading, which led to blue bird getting banned for absolutely no reason. It was total nonsense. Honestly, can we please add "reading is punishable" to the title of the appeal book? Just so we can avoid these ridiculous, unnecessary bans moving forward. Seriously.

I mean, seriously, can we talk about how much people love to pretend they've got it all figured out? It’s hilarious. Everyone walks around acting like they’ve decoded the universe—especially when it comes to religious debates—but most of them couldn't find their way out of a paper bag without a manual. Look at this thread. You've got people throwing around "truth" like it's something you can just pick up at a convenience store. It’s all just noise, honestly. People get so worked up over these deep spiritual questions, arguing about who’s right and who’s wrong, while completely missing the point that life is just... messy. There's no grand blueprint that everyone magically agrees on. And don't even get me started on the people who act like they're experts because they read one book or watched one documentary. They come in here with these massive egos, trying to lecture anyone who dares to have a different take. It's exhausting. Just total ego trips from start to finish. Honestly, if you want to actually learn something, stop listening to the loudmouths and maybe look inward for once. But hey, that's probably asking too much from this crowd, right? Look, let’s call it what it is—rowdyhawk10 is just out here spreading slander. He’s basically labeling anyone who disagrees with his specific take on the Quran as a terrorist, which is absolute nonsense. It's honestly pathetic—he can't handle the fact that people actually have their own interpretations, so he resorts to these wild accusations just because they don't fall in line with his personal views. Typical.

So, yeah, that pretty much sums up most of my beef—though I’m sure a few folks over at the Philosophy board have their own gripes, but that’s their whole vibe over there.

Since you’re claiming you don't agree with most of my points, I guess that means you think they're totally baseless. Which basically implies you're actually

down with pushing drugs on this forum,
okay with calling people psychopaths,
fine with slandering users and labeling them terrorists—even though, obviously, they aren't (but hey, maybe in your world they are),
totally cool with letting someone who openly advocates for the legalization of group sex run the Spirituality board,
on board with being arrogant and reckless when talking to people here,
and honestly, fine with using hate speech to trash Mexicans and Christians.

Or, at the very least, you're siding with most of that nonsense.

So, honestly, it doesn't exactly make you look like a saint that you constantly push back against Kenneth Peterson5's critiques.

(I didn't feel like dragging out all the links just to attach exact names. If you want to know, click. If not, whatever, who cares what things are called anyway.)

So, what I'm saying is—maybe—I actually agree with the core idea sometimes, but I just can't stand the way they argue it.
So, what exactly does it take to be you? I mean—what's the actual breakdown?

Look, if you're trying to promote drugs on this forum—just don't. It’s not going to happen.

Oh, absolutely.
Regarding calling other forum members psychopaths—

Are we really talking about everyone? Every single time? Seriously?
For slandering other members and calling them terrorists—even though they aren't (well, maybe they are in your eyes)—

And again—is it really everyone, every single time?
So, let me get this straight—we’re actually okay with someone who openly campaigns for the legalization of group sex being the Moderator for the Spirituality section? I mean, seriously? It's just wild to me that we're letting someone like that hold the keys to the kingdom in a space meant for something else entirely. I guess it's just one of those things where logic goes right out the window.

I mean, sorry, but where exactly is the problem here?
For being so damn rude and disrespectful to everyone else on this forum...

You really think this is how you should be talking to me right now? 😉
Regarding all that hate speech aimed at Mexicans and Christians—

When I reported that Christian hate speech aimed at atheists—who was it that actually did anything about it? Oh, right: absolutely nobody. It’s like the wolf bit the donkey while the hater just keeps on posting in Religion to this very day.
Or maybe you're at least most of what was listed there—I guess.

So, honestly, it doesn't exactly do you any favors that you're constantly pushing back against Kenneth Peterson5's criticisms.

Look, just back off for a second and actually process what I told you in your PM. Maybe—just maybe—I’ll agree with one out of the ten things you brought up in that critique (and honestly, it might even be your main point), but half the time you're just swinging at the wrong targets for completely the wrong reasons.
coastalbison6 coastalbison6 Active Member
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#59 ·
Kenneth Peterson5 said:Ugh, Kenneth Peterson5. Always something with her. 🙄

First off, let’s settle the whole apology thing.
I’ve been trying for a long time to find the good in you (because trust me, I know it’s in there somewhere), but every single time, you let me down with how you treat Christians and Muslims who don't agree with you. I saw that you just weren't getting it, and I felt bad for you, so yeah, an apology followed. I truly regret that I couldn't help everyone who got burned by your behavior, and I also regret that I couldn't help you see just how much you're messing up in your little crusade.

Now, let’s talk about criticism versus just being a critic.
It’s become crystal clear to me that there is a massive difference between offering actual critique and just being critical. The difference is simple: someone who understands real critique takes it to heart, which means they don't need to be nagged further. On the flip side, if someone doesn't get it—or just refuses to listen because it hurts their ego—you could spend tomorrow criticizing them and it would still be pointless
. On top of that, I’ve realized we actually have a lot in common, specifically in our obsession with fighting for a "higher cause"—basically, the fight against injustice.
Because, look,
While I’ve spent the last year systematically hunting you down (okay, "critiquing" you) on this forum, you’ve spent the last year systematically hunting down (pointing out "problematic" users) Christians and Muslims who disagree with you.
So, we’re both incredibly stubborn about pursuing our "higher causes." The only real difference is that my "higher cause" is being able to look at myself in the mirror tomorrow morning.

If anyone wants to understand why injustice gets under my skin so much, I have to mention again that I’ve been dealing with chronic PTSD for years. Just the thought of war, or seeing those patterns repeat themselves, absolutely terrifies me.

And you, rowdyhawk10, you’re constantly at war, and your victims are always getting caught in the crossfire. It would have been impossible for me not to step in and defend the people who were most hurt by your toxic and, frankly, crazy behavior.

See, rowdyhawk10, you used your posts to act like the "nice guy" to everyone, which earned you favor with the users and even the moderators. You try to keep that favor through brown-nosing the admins and sucking up to users—especially atheists and agnostics—hoping you can eventually convert them to Islam. Unfortunately, there are always people who fall for that kind of act. And yeah, I was one of them once.

The truth is, what you’re doing here creates a toxic environment. It builds this image that ALL Muslims are just like you.
I’m certain the Muslims on this forum feel that too, and they’re already fed up because your actions cast a shadow over all of them!
You’re creating an atmosphere fueled by hate, mostly between Christians and Muslims, and you’ve contributed to it more than anyone else through your moderation.

And honestly, sending links to all the bad stuff you do is pointless now. I mean, when the admin team didn't react to banning the user black&white—whom you slandered and labeled a terrorist—when they ignored your hate speech toward Christians, and when Radu dropped his score from 500 to 35 points (which is ridiculous because he never deserved such a low score) instead of banning him entirely, while *still* keeping you on as a moderator... then it's just hopeless.Man, this administration is just pathetic.
I’m standing behind everything you said in that reply to steelskipper5—every single word of it. That first point was pure, unadulterated sarcasm, and that second one? Honestly, that’s about as much kindness as I can muster given my current state of mind.

At the end of the day, thanks to being "well-educated" by the whole Shady situation—yeah, I'm looking at you, rowdyhawk10—I really don't see myself having the energy to call out any more injustices anytime soon. I seriously doubt I'll have the will to offer even a shred of constructive criticism to anyone running this Reddit board, because from where I'm sitting, it feels like you can't get anything done with these people anyway.

Later,

I honestly don't get why you even bothered apologizing. 😕

At least you realize this guy
1) is pretty limited and probably won't grasp the point of your apology at all
2) ...but is still twisted enough to weaponize it against you
3) and that the only real fix is to kick him off the Religion PDF entirely

😉
rowdyhawk10 rowdyhawk10 Active Member
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#60 ·
feralpilot0 said:Don't get me wrong—I'm not saying I support rowdyhawk10's actions—let me be crystal clear about that. When it comes to moderating Christian themes, rowdyhawk10, you are being EXTREMELY biased. It's something you really need to face up to.

Edit: fixed

Thanks in advance for clarifying things and providing a concrete example—links included, naturally—along with that brief analysis and proof. That’s it, really; just a few sentences.

Anyone else could probably write the same thing, really. I'm not asking for some massive list of fifty different links, fifty examples, or fifty separate histories—I just need one single, specific, and obviously correct example. I'm more than willing to take everything into consideration.

Christian Gomez2 said:I wouldn't say I was punished with a warning when I hadn't even written a couple of posts.

Let's set faith aside and ignore who belongs to what group.
Let's look at a simple comparison.
If someone starts a thread asking what river flows under the bridge in New York City.
And I write Hudson, that is an answer.
Then someone like rowdyhawk10 deletes my post and gives me a warning because it's off-topic.
The thread continues, but for those who write Hudson their posts are deleted.
I provided a direct answer to the topic and the question within it.🤷That is a fact, and whether the post was deleted maliciously or due to ignorance of the subject matter is not for me to judge.

If someone were to start a thread like this on the Religion board—asking a question like that—we’d probably just move the whole thing over to Geography or Travel. We'll find a place where it actually belongs.

If someone posts something like, "What are the principles of mercy in Buddhism?" under a thread specifically about a different topic, that question is off-topic. You shouldn't bother answering it—even if the moderators haven't had a chance to delete it yet—because by responding, you're just adding more off-topic content to the thread. Instead, just report it as off-topic by clicking the red triangle icon.

coastalbison6 said:I honestly don't get why you even bothered apologizing. 😕

At least you realize this guy
1) is pretty limited and probably won't grasp the point of your apology at all
2) ...but is still twisted enough to weaponize it against you
3) and that the only real fix is to kick him off the Religion PDF entirely

😉

No, I simply pointed out that, based on the circumstances, I had my doubts about how sincere her apology actually was, which turned out to be the case in the end. Hello. With the right approach. In the past, there was an apology followed by a repeat of the same behavior, which only serves to make the apology feel hollow. 😉

What you mentioned under point one—that’s just plain offensive.
How would you feel if a moderator said something like that to a member? 🙄

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