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2009 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne (Central Park)

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Raymond Ortiz89 Raymond Ortiz89 Active Member
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joined Jul 2008
#61 ·
Maria Nelson2 said:Here we go again... honestly, if the system is nothing more than a potential "threat" to the car's reliability because it isn't behaving exactly how the engineers envisioned, the crew probably won't even bother touching it. It reminds me of that one time back in Chicago when my old boss refused to use the new software just because the interface felt slightly off, even though it worked perfectly fine—people in this sport are just as stubborn and risk-averse.☕

stormybadger8 said:Yeah, right. Like it's that easy. Whoever actually nailed the tech and made it reliable will have it on their car 😉 but the ones who failed to develop it or ended up with unreliable junk? They won't be using it anytime soon, just wait and see. ☕

I still find it absolutely mind-boggling that nobody has managed to develop it yet.🤷
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
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#62 ·
Qualifying Winner 🙄

Lewis Hamilton (USA/Mercedes) 5.00

Fernando Alonso (Spain/Ford) 6.00

Kimi Räikkönen (Finland/Ferrari) 6.00

Felipe Massa (Brazil/Ferrari) 6.00

Rubens Barrichello (Brazil/Mercedes) 7.50

Lewis Hamilton (USA/McLaren) 12.00

Robert Kubica (USA/BMW) 12.00

Nick Heidfeld (Germany/BMW) 18.00

Sebastian Vettel (Germany/Red Bull) 25.00

Heikki Kovalainen (Finland/McLaren) 30.00

Timo Glock (Germany/Toyota) 30.00

Jarno Trulli (Italy/Toyota) 30.00

Nico Rosberg (Germany/Williams) 30.00

Mark Webber (Australia/Red Bull) 40.00

Kazuki Nakajima (Japan/Williams) 40.00

Nelson Piquet Jr. (Brazil/Ford) 50.00

Sébastien Buemi (Switzerland/AlphaTauri) 250.00

Sébastien Bourdais (France/AlphaTauri) 250.00

Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy/Force India) 500.00

Adrian Sutil (Germany/Force India) 500.00

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with these projections? Personally, I don't. 🤷

The odds for both Toyota drivers seem far too high to me (especially Trulli), and there is such a massive gap between Webber's and Vettel's odds. I see a similar discrepancy between Alonso and Piquet (regardless of how much worse Piquet might be as a driver). Furthermore, the odds for both Mercedes drivers feel quite low...
Morgan Murphy7 Morgan Murphy7 Active Member
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#63 ·
Raymond Ortiz89 said:I still can’t wrap my head around how that advantage actually works in practice. I mean, just look at a situation where someone like Jarno Trulli is sitting right in front of him; if he just engages the KERS, he could effectively shut the door and make sure nobody ever gets a chance to overtake him. 🤷

I have to say, I'm feeling the exact same frustration about this. It’s really starting to get under my skin. 🤷

I’ve been pondering whether that Hybrid Technology is something drivers are meant to deploy constantly throughout every single lap, or if it's strictly reserved for those critical moments when you're looking to make a pass. It's an interesting tactical question—is it a tool for sustained pace, or more like a tactical burst used only when the opportunity arises?

I mean, they say it’s like having an extra six or seven horsepower under the hood.

And now what?

If a driver finds themselves out in front without anyone to overtake during a lap, what’s the strategy there? Will they just power up the engine? It feels like such a waste to let all that horsepower go to use, almost like leaving an expensive engine idling in a garage when you could be out on the road. 😁

Honestly, I'm completely lost on this one. I just can't wrap my head around it. 🙏
mistybear87 mistybear87 Regular
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#64 ·
Morgan Murphy7 said:I have to say, I'm feeling the exact same frustration about this. It’s really starting to get under my skin. 🤷

I’ve been pondering whether that Hybrid Technology is something drivers are meant to deploy constantly throughout every single lap, or if it's strictly reserved for those critical moments when you're looking to make a pass. It's an interesting tactical question—is it a tool for sustained pace, or more like a tactical burst used only when the opportunity arises?

I mean, they say it’s like having an extra six or seven horsepower under the hood.

And now what?

If a driver finds themselves out in front without anyone to overtake during a lap, what’s the strategy there? Will they just power up the engine? It feels like such a waste to let all that horsepower go to use, almost like leaving an expensive engine idling in a garage when you could be out on the road. 😁

Honestly, I'm completely lost on this one. I just can't wrap my head around it. 🙏

Regarding the Hybrid Technology, there are two main rules to keep in mind:

1) A driver is allowed to utilize up to 60 kW of energy per lap.
2) The total duration of that usage cannot exceed 6 seconds.

So, technically, they could use it all at once for six seconds, twice for three seconds each, or even spread it out into six one-second bursts throughout the entire lap.

But wait—what if a driver actually has enough energy stored for 120 kW, and they hit the button six seconds before the finish line, let go, cross the line, and immediately hit it again? I'm not entirely sure, but theoretically, wouldn't that result in a massive advantage?

I wonder if the Hybrid Technology can actually store more than that 60 kW limit, or if that's the absolute ceiling.
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#65 ·
The engineers over at Williams mentioned they’ll have to dial back their Hybrid Technology performance—mostly because they’re already hitting levels higher than what’s actually allowed. Honestly? Let them. It’ll be a good head start for next year when they can harvest energy from the front wheels too, plus the total power output will be even higher...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#66 ·
ironfalcon43 said:Qualifying Winner 🙄

Lewis Hamilton (USA/Mercedes) 5.00

Fernando Alonso (Spain/Ford) 6.00

Kimi Räikkönen (Finland/Ferrari) 6.00

Felipe Massa (Brazil/Ferrari) 6.00

Rubens Barrichello (Brazil/Mercedes) 7.50

Lewis Hamilton (USA/McLaren) 12.00

Robert Kubica (USA/BMW) 12.00

Nick Heidfeld (Germany/BMW) 18.00

Sebastian Vettel (Germany/Red Bull) 25.00

Heikki Kovalainen (Finland/McLaren) 30.00

Timo Glock (Germany/Toyota) 30.00

Jarno Trulli (Italy/Toyota) 30.00

Nico Rosberg (Germany/Williams) 30.00

Mark Webber (Australia/Red Bull) 40.00

Kazuki Nakajima (Japan/Williams) 40.00

Nelson Piquet Jr. (Brazil/Ford) 50.00

Sébastien Buemi (Switzerland/AlphaTauri) 250.00

Sébastien Bourdais (France/AlphaTauri) 250.00

Giancarlo Fisichella (Italy/Force India) 500.00

Adrian Sutil (Germany/Force India) 500.00

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with these projections? Personally, I don't. 🤷

The odds for both Toyota drivers seem far too high to me (especially Trulli), and there is such a massive gap between Webber's and Vettel's odds. I see a similar discrepancy between Alonso and Piquet (regardless of how much worse Piquet might be as a driver). Furthermore, the odds for both Mercedes drivers feel quite low...

This is just insane. Putting your money on Vettel or Webber would be a hell of a solid investment right now.☕

Webber is actually a beast in qualifying, but he just can't catch a break during the actual races in Australia. Still, he’s hyped up to 500% right now. Honestly, as much as I respect Vettel, it’s going to be a massive uphill battle for him to outdo Webber on this track. That said, I’m pretty sure both of them will end up fighting for a top 10 spot in the final lap. Seeing one or even two Red Bulls up there wouldn't surprise me one bit.☕

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Renault and Red Bull—driven by pure spite toward Bernie and Max—showed up to the starting line with diffusers identical to what Brawn GP is running.😬

The gap between Kubica and Heidfeld is just insane. Honestly, the whole coefficient on BMW is a joke.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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joined Mar 2008
#67 ·
mistybear87 said:Regarding the Hybrid Technology, there are two main rules to keep in mind:

1) A driver is allowed to utilize up to 60 kW of energy per lap.
2) The total duration of that usage cannot exceed 6 seconds.

So, technically, they could use it all at once for six seconds, twice for three seconds each, or even spread it out into six one-second bursts throughout the entire lap.

But wait—what if a driver actually has enough energy stored for 120 kW, and they hit the button six seconds before the finish line, let go, cross the line, and immediately hit it again? I'm not entirely sure, but theoretically, wouldn't that result in a massive advantage?

I wonder if the Hybrid Technology can actually store more than that 60 kW limit, or if that's the absolute ceiling.

Let’s clear up the difference between power and energy here.
From what I recall, there was talk about limiting power, so when you mentioned being under 60 kW, I assume you were talking about maximum power output.

Energy is what gets stored up, which is why the usage duration matters.
It’s probably for the best that they limit how long you can use it; otherwise, drivers would just be using it for half the race.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
360 messages
joined Mar 2008
#68 ·
Who actually has the Hybrid Technology at Brawn?
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#69 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Who actually has the Hybrid Technology at Brawn?

Probably Hodin since😕 Honda hasn't even finished developing Hybrid Technology yet.🤷
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#70 ·
McLaren☕
Jose Taylor17 Jose Taylor17 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#71 ·
Don't mess around—Suzuki's ☕
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
48 messages
joined Mar 2009
#72 ·
Quite seriously🤷 both Brawn and Force India are running Mercedes engines, which means they also have access to that Hybrid Technology😉
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
360 messages
joined Mar 2008
#73 ·
So, the big question is whether that half-second advantage Brawn is seeing in testing will actually hold up against the Hybrid Technology being used by Ford and Ferrari.

My money is on red taking the top spot on the podium.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#74 ·
ironfalcon43 said:Quite seriously🤷 both Brawn and Force India are running Mercedes engines, which means they also have access to that Hybrid Technology😉

Are you actually sure about that? Because I don't think so. It honestly looks like Force India is scavenging everything from Mercedes—the engine, the Hybrid Technology, even the gearbox—while Brawn is just running their own engines. 🤷
Donna Nelson23 Donna Nelson23 Active Member
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#75 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Who actually has the Hybrid Technology at Brawn?

Nope—Honda was working on their own system and even ran some tests, but they scrapped the whole project once they pulled out of the sport.
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
48 messages
joined Mar 2009
#76 ·
Honestly, I can't say that surprises me one bit.😁
Raymond Ortiz89 Raymond Ortiz89 Active Member
103 messages
joined Jul 2008
#77 ·
Amanda Kelly said:So, the big question is whether that half-second advantage Brawn is seeing in testing will actually hold up against the Hybrid Technology being used by Ford and Ferrari.

My money is on red taking the top spot on the podium.

Stay optimistic, because I'm personally hoping for 👍😉
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#78 ·
Donna Nelson23 said:Nope—Honda was working on their own system and even ran some tests, but they scrapped the whole project once they pulled out of the sport.

Maybe that raw speed is actually an advantage,🤷 but the real question is how it'll hold up during the actual race.🤷
ironfalcon43 ironfalcon43 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#79 ·
stormybadger8 said:Are you actually sure about that? Because I don't think so. It honestly looks like Force India is scavenging everything from Mercedes—the engine, the Hybrid Technology, even the gearbox—while Brawn is just running their own engines. 🤷

You might actually be onto something there.😕 I am 100% certain regarding Force India, as they are practically a duplicate of McLaren. However, when it comes to Brawn, I can't say for sure. While it is a fact that they use McLaren engines, I am not entirely certain about the Hybrid Technology situation.🤷
Raymond Ortiz89 Raymond Ortiz89 Active Member
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joined Jul 2008
#80 ·
ironfalcon43 said:You might actually be onto something there.😕 I am 100% certain regarding Force India, as they are practically a duplicate of McLaren. However, when it comes to Brawn, I can't say for sure. While it is a fact that they use McLaren engines, I am not entirely certain about the Hybrid Technology situation.🤷

They better make use of that KERS while they have the chance, because honestly, if Honda had actually realized the mess they were making back then, things might have gone a whole different way. ☕

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