I feel like any discussion on Politics is impossible under these current rules.

Sarah Wilson95 said:To be perfectly honest—no.

The reason is simple: I have no desire for power, even the slightest bit 😁, I tend to be lazy, and when I’m not feeling lazy, I can get rather aggressive.😍

On the other hand, I have fully embraced capitalism at its core, and I absolutely do not perform any tasks for others without compensation.☕🤣

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What people seem to struggle to grasp here is that a Reddit community, despite everything else, carries a certain level of social responsibility.
Believe me or not, but that is simply how it works.
Especially a platform with this much traffic—one that gets read extensively, as evidenced by the various "talking points" or topics I see popping up in the mainstream media that I know for a fact originated right here (I am specifically referring to Politics; the rest of the forum is in a different league entirely).

All of this moved past being mere trolling or a way for someone to profit from banner ads a long time ago. Jerry Garcia claims this is just a generation that "demands the internet," but my take is different: this is quite simply the future and an inevitability.

Whether we choose to use the blessings of the internet—its speed, the accessibility of information, and the depth of forum debates—as a positive force depends entirely on us, or whether we will continue to extract the absolute worst from it, much like we do from ourselves through the anonymity of the web.

So, you aren't even ready to moderate that sub-forum, and honestly, you can't even come up with a suggestion for someone who actually fits your criteria—mostly because, from what I can see, you can't find anyone worthy of the job anyway.

But we can't even go with the only way that actually works—which is just trial and error—while none of the people on Reddit who actually want a better mod are willing to point us toward their own picks.

Are you freaking kidding me? Seriously. 😁 Nothing to it, we don't have any other way. 🤷

Sarah Wilson95 said:To be perfectly honest—no.

The reason is simple: I have no desire for power, even the slightest bit 😁, I tend to be lazy, and when I’m not feeling lazy, I can get rather aggressive.😍

On the other hand, I have fully embraced capitalism at its core, and I absolutely do not perform any tasks for others without compensation.☕🤣

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What people seem to struggle to grasp here is that a Reddit community, despite everything else, carries a certain level of social responsibility.
Believe me or not, but that is simply how it works.
Especially a platform with this much traffic—one that gets read extensively, as evidenced by the various "talking points" or topics I see popping up in the mainstream media that I know for a fact originated right here (I am specifically referring to Politics; the rest of the forum is in a different league entirely).

All of this moved past being mere trolling or a way for someone to profit from banner ads a long time ago. Jerry Garcia claims this is just a generation that "demands the internet," but my take is different: this is quite simply the future and an inevitability.

Whether we choose to use the blessings of the internet—its speed, the accessibility of information, and the depth of forum debates—as a positive force depends entirely on us, or whether we will continue to extract the absolute worst from it, much like we do from ourselves through the anonymity of the web.

I get it, I really do. I just find myself wondering sometimes if everyone else on Reddit actually sees it too. 😉 Look, after seeing some of the stuff going on lately, I don't think that's how it works. It honestly feels kind of ridiculous to tell moderators they have to carry the weight of social responsibility just because a whole pack of people decided to act completely antisocial and irresponsible.

Look, even though you said you don't think you'd make a good moderator for Politics, if they shoved you into that role anyway, would you actually be willing to change your mind and put some real work into that subforum?

@Sarah Wilson95 😉 you've already started getting all dramatic on us. If you really need one, just suggest someone, like Jerry Garcia said.

Richard Perez3 said:What kind of users are we even talking about for a sub-forum like this? I don't even know what to choose from. Is it between choosing cattle or butchers? 😕

Any comparison to a butcher shop was just used to make your point and was totally intentional. 😁 Edit, I sounded pretty retarded there. 😁

Anyway, tell me, do you honestly think you'd be a good moderator for Politics? Be real. 🙂

Honestly, I think this question is a bit uncalled for. Do you personally believe you're a good moderator?
Besides, I don't get why anyone would even suggest a moderator when it was clearly stated at the start that advice wouldn't be taken. I don't get it.🤷

electricscout13 said:Honestly, I think this question is a bit uncalled for. Do you personally believe you're a good moderator?
Besides, I don't get why anyone would even suggest a moderator when it was clearly stated at the start that advice wouldn't be taken. I don't get it.🤷

I don't think so. And yeah, I can ask him. If it were actually out of line, I bet Sarah Wilson95 would have already piped up about it, and she wouldn't touch a question like that if it was truly disrespectful. As for me? You can ask me anything, anytime. I don't see anything wrong with it. And my answer is "yeah." I'm always gonna say what's on my mind. 🤷

electricscout13 said:Honestly, I think this question is a bit uncalled for. Do you personally believe you're a good moderator?
Besides, I don't get why anyone would even suggest a moderator when it was clearly stated at the start that advice wouldn't be taken. I don't get it.🤷

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=1...2&postcount=14

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Richard Perez3 said:So, you aren't even ready to moderate that sub-forum, and honestly, you can't even come up with a suggestion for someone who actually fits your criteria—mostly because, from what I can see, you can't find anyone worthy of the job anyway.

But we can't even go with the only way that actually works—which is just trial and error—while none of the people on Reddit who actually want a better mod are willing to point us toward their own picks.

Are you freaking kidding me? Seriously. 😁 Nothing to it, we don't have any other way. 🤷

I get it, I really do. I just find myself wondering sometimes if everyone else on Reddit actually sees it too. 😉 Look, after seeing some of the stuff going on lately, I don't think that's how it works. It honestly feels kind of ridiculous to tell moderators they have to carry the weight of social responsibility just because a whole pack of people decided to act completely antisocial and irresponsible.

Look, even though you said you don't think you'd make a good moderator for Politics, if they shoved you into that role anyway, would you actually be willing to change your mind and put some real work into that subforum?

I guess I’m also trying to brainstorm who to nominate, but honestly, every time I click on someone's profile, my vision just starts blurring with red... it's almost overwhelming.😂😂

I suppose I’m still leaning toward suggesting Nathan Bailey65. 👍👍

Sarah Wilson95, you can see for yourself that you always have something to say about everyone here.
And honestly, you're just one of many users on this forum.
Granitefox16 is like this, Mark Twain is like that, driftingdriver is no good, but Jeremy Wilson3 is even worse, and the observer is...
I think it’s become a perfectly legitimate question at this point: what is it that you people actually want??
Do you want us to just scrap moderation on Politics for a trial run?? For a whole month??
Has any single one of you ever actually paused to reflect on yourselves and the things you post?
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that they were the ones who messed up, and the moderator was simply reacting and doing exactly what their job requires??
I've met a few such individuals over on Reddit, and I must say they were a breath of fresh air, but the vast majority of people operate either from a massive sense of self-importance or by following the Submissiveness Inc. principle.
From my perspective, the Politics moderators are always viewed as being incompetent or somehow at fault.
The left thinks they're right, the right thinks they're right...
OF COURSE, there is a certain percentage of mistakes made on their end, but those instances truly vanish into a sea of nonsense, fanaticism, and insane attempts to prove one's own RIGHTS (while the part about obligations is written in font size 1).

Given the current atmosphere of intolerance, I can only propose the following:
1. Get rid of that PDF-politik madness.
2. Abolish the warnings on the Politics section and hand out nothing but bans.
Then, we'll see whether the crowd dwindles down to just those who lack the ability to discuss or communicate, or if a group will emerge—those slightly further along the evolutionary chain—who will finally bring some quality discussions to the table.

hollowtrucker77 said:Sarah Wilson95, you can see for yourself that you always have something to say about everyone here.
And honestly, you're just one of many users on this forum.
Granitefox16 is like this, Mark Twain is like that, driftingdriver is no good, but Jeremy Wilson3 is even worse, and the observer is...
I think it’s become a perfectly legitimate question at this point: what is it that you people actually want??
Do you want us to just scrap moderation on Politics for a trial run?? For a whole month??
Has any single one of you ever actually paused to reflect on yourselves and the things you post?
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that they were the ones who messed up, and the moderator was simply reacting and doing exactly what their job requires??
I've met a few such individuals over on Reddit, and I must say they were a breath of fresh air, but the vast majority of people operate either from a massive sense of self-importance or by following the Submissiveness Inc. principle.
From my perspective, the Politics moderators are always viewed as being incompetent or somehow at fault.
The left thinks they're right, the right thinks they're right...
OF COURSE, there is a certain percentage of mistakes made on their end, but those instances truly vanish into a sea of nonsense, fanaticism, and insane attempts to prove one's own RIGHTS (while the part about obligations is written in font size 1).

Given the current atmosphere of intolerance, I can only propose the following:
1. Get rid of that PDF-politik madness.
2. Abolish the warnings on the Politics section and hand out nothing but bans.
Then, we'll see whether the crowd dwindles down to just those who lack the ability to discuss or communicate, or if a group will emerge—those slightly further along the evolutionary chain—who will finally bring some quality discussions to the table.

Or maybe 3. just scrap the entire Politics sub-forum altogether.

😬

My bad, just messing around a little, don't come for me.

🙂

Richard Perez3 said:I don't think so. And yeah, I can ask him. If it were actually out of line, I bet Sarah Wilson95 would have already piped up about it, and she wouldn't touch a question like that if it was truly disrespectful. As for me? You can ask me anything, anytime. I don't see anything wrong with it. And my answer is "yeah." I'm always gonna say what's on my mind. 🤷

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=1...2&postcount=14

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"Praise me, oh mouth of mine," some might say.

I don't know how to post a link, so I'll just put it here:

"Even though I said I wouldn't do it, I'm giving the users on the Politics subreddit a chance to suggest someone for the position themselves. Just remember, just because there's no democracy, doesn't mean I'm going to blindly listen and install whoever you think I should have, I just want to know what kind of moderator profile would actually be welcomed with open arms by the users (since the current ones aren't up to snuff anyway)."

😕

electricscout13 said:"Praise me, oh mouth of mine," some might say.

I don't know how to post a link, so I'll just put it here:

"Even though I said I wouldn't do it, I'm giving the users on the Politics subreddit a chance to suggest someone for the position themselves. Just remember, just because there's no democracy, doesn't mean I'm going to blindly listen and install whoever you think I should have, I just want to know what kind of moderator profile would actually be welcomed with open arms by the users (since the current ones aren't up to snuff anyway)."

😕

People would definitely have plenty to say about this.

Thank God I don't moderate Politics. 🙂

Some folks might say you're just trolling for no reason, but not me.

electricscout13 said:"Praise me, oh mouth of mine," some might say.

I don't know how to post a link, so I'll just put it here:

"Even though I said I wouldn't do it, I'm giving the users on the Politics subreddit a chance to suggest someone for the position themselves. Just remember, just because there's no democracy, doesn't mean I'm going to blindly listen and install whoever you think I should have, I just want to know what kind of moderator profile would actually be welcomed with open arms by the users (since the current ones aren't up to snuff anyway)."

😕

"Doesn't mean I'll listen" isn't the same thing as "it's out of the question for me to listen."

Honestly, I think you're steering the conversation toward a direction that’s totally useless for decent, fair moderation on this sub, and I'm genuinely wondering what your actual motive is here.

hollowtrucker77, look, I don't exactly hold any official position here, but I really can't get behind what you wrote.

First off, there's always room for improvement. Why be so pessimistic about everything?

Secondly, making such drastic changes doesn't actually achieve anything—it just creates a massive mess.

I ended up getting three warnings in the Politics section, and honestly, I don't think I deserved them, let alone getting banned because of it.

And at the end of the day, a ban doesn't solve a thing. The aggressive types will just come back even more heated than before. As for those who aren't looking for a fight, they won't even bother coming back (myself included), and for people like that, a simple warning every now and then is more than enough.

Richard Perez3 said:People would definitely have plenty to say about this.

Thank God I don't moderate Politics. 🙂

Some folks might say you're just trolling for no reason, but not me.

"Doesn't mean I'll listen" isn't the same thing as "it's out of the question for me to listen."

Honestly, I think you're steering the conversation toward a direction that’s totally useless for decent, fair moderation on this sub, and I'm genuinely wondering what your actual motive is here.

Yeah, but when you pair that with "I'm just curious what kind of moderator the users would actually welcome with open arms," it takes on a completely different meaning.

never mind

electricscout13 said:Yeah, but when you pair that with "I'm just curious what kind of moderator the users would actually welcome with open arms," it takes on a completely different meaning.

never mind

Look, who knows? Maybe something useful will actually come out of these suggestions.

If they even let us. 😁

Personally, I’m throwing my hat in the ring for Smart to handle Politics, maybe even stepping in as a super mod.
Let them "oversee" the regular mods and step in to clean up those messy situations that go way beyond their pay grade...

(I mean, there’s been this suggestion floating around for ages that for Politics, we should probably appoint an Admin alongside the mods just to give things some actual weight.)

If I'm going to be brave enough to throw out two suggestions🙂 I’d say we have two absolutely top-tier political forum regulars here

Gregory Howard and Kexx 🤷

wiredsailor10, you’re playing the exact same role here that I am: a fellow Redditor engaged in discussion
🙂
There is always room for improvement—on that, we are definitely on the same page
Now, the real challenge is actually identifying and defining where those gaps are

Drastic changes don't mean much on their own, but in a situation where nobody is happy with how things are going, my take is that we need to establish some basic, rock-solid rules first. We need to set up some fundamental order so that we have a foundation to build actual organization upon later on
Right now, while the PDF-politik looks like a total battlefield, I don't see any room for fine-tuning minor details yet

As for those warnings you received, YOU might not think they were warranted, but clearly the moderator thought they were, and the Admin backed them up
Everywhere in the world, that’s where the conversation ends, regardless of what you personally feel about it

A ban is practically the only tool moderators have to maintain even a semblance of peace and order within their subreddits
Of course, there are different levels to it; in some places, a simple warning from a mod is enough for people to correct themselves and get back to civil discussion, whereas in other spots, even a ban isn't an immediate fix for issues like clones or constant petty bickering

It honestly saddens me that so many people fail to realize that mods are actually working for them and trying to help them, yet they treat them like "class enemies" or forced authorities
I say, let's just scrap moderation for a month and see if any threads stay alive or remain suitable for actual debate at all
Some people claim the owner only cares about click counts
Fine, if you make a move like that, the number of clicks will certainly skyrocket
But will anyone sane actually care about the quality of the content anymore? Will it even be possible to write anything and receive a meaningful response?
😉
Look at this, we've been mocking each other for two pages now, and still, not a single concrete or constructive suggestion has been put on the table
All we do is say we're against something, or that we're dissatisfied, or that we wish someone would just fix something

My dear friends, that is not how things work, and that is not how you get things done
Not in Politics, not on Reddit, and certainly not in life

Rachel Sanchez11 said:Personally, I’m throwing my hat in the ring for Smart to handle Politics, maybe even stepping in as a super mod.
Let them "oversee" the regular mods and step in to clean up those messy situations that go way beyond their pay grade...

(I mean, there’s been this suggestion floating around for ages that for Politics, we should probably appoint an Admin alongside the mods just to give things some actual weight.)

I knew you didn't like me, but damn, this much?....😬

Rachel Sanchez11, I’m actually on board with about half of what you’re suggesting: using Smart for the supermode.
As for the other half, honestly, I’d rather just hit the ban button right now.
😁

Richard Perez3 said:I knew you didn't like me, but damn, this much?....😬

I honestly think it’s about time you show everyone what you're actually capable of...
You're basically the backbone of this whole forum...
Just a totally unbiased pro...
The political mob is finally hitting a dead end...
😁

hollowtrucker77 said:wiredsailor10, you’re playing the exact same role here that I am: a fellow Redditor engaged in discussion
🙂
There is always room for improvement—on that, we are definitely on the same page
Now, the real challenge is actually identifying and defining where those gaps are

Drastic changes don't mean much on their own, but in a situation where nobody is happy with how things are going, my take is that we need to establish some basic, rock-solid rules first. We need to set up some fundamental order so that we have a foundation to build actual organization upon later on
Right now, while the PDF-politik looks like a total battlefield, I don't see any room for fine-tuning minor details yet

As for those warnings you received, YOU might not think they were warranted, but clearly the moderator thought they were, and the Admin backed them up
Everywhere in the world, that’s where the conversation ends, regardless of what you personally feel about it

A ban is practically the only tool moderators have to maintain even a semblance of peace and order within their subreddits
Of course, there are different levels to it; in some places, a simple warning from a mod is enough for people to correct themselves and get back to civil discussion, whereas in other spots, even a ban isn't an immediate fix for issues like clones or constant petty bickering

It honestly saddens me that so many people fail to realize that mods are actually working for them and trying to help them, yet they treat them like "class enemies" or forced authorities
I say, let's just scrap moderation for a month and see if any threads stay alive or remain suitable for actual debate at all
Some people claim the owner only cares about click counts
Fine, if you make a move like that, the number of clicks will certainly skyrocket
But will anyone sane actually care about the quality of the content anymore? Will it even be possible to write anything and receive a meaningful response?
😉
Look at this, we've been mocking each other for two pages now, and still, not a single concrete or constructive suggestion has been put on the table
All we do is say we're against something, or that we're dissatisfied, or that we wish someone would just fix something

My dear friends, that is not how things work, and that is not how you get things done
Not in Politics, not on Reddit, and certainly not in life

Some people claim the owner only gives a damn about clickbait...
With a move like that, click rates are definitely gonna skyrocket...

No, is anyone actually going to stay sane until this whole thing is over...?

Well, you basically just answered your own question...😁Look, if you scrap moderation, you'll see a quick spike in clicks... but if you just install a mod to protect one specific group? Then you've basically guaranteed a steady stream of traffic from their side...

You know exactly what I mean...🙂

hollowtrucker77 said:Rachel Sanchez11, I’m actually on board with about half of what you’re suggesting: using Smart for the supermode.
As for the other half, honestly, I’d rather just hit the ban button right now.
😁

Back to the point: isn't it kind of worrying how all the relatively sane people seem to be cloning the Politics moderation team? It really drives home the idea that a mod over in Politics can't actually be a normal person...
😁

off-topic:
A ban?
How would the Semasi put it back in the day (I've been studying them lately so bear with me, my bad 😁)—can we just have a massive mass prune?
😬