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J.C.V.D. (2008)

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Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#21 ·
Here’s some more killer news for Van Damme and J. C. V. d. that’ll probably have half you guys rolling your eyes or laughing... apparently, according to Time, Van Damme’s performance in this flick landed him the number two spot for the best male acting performances of the year, right behind Heath Ledger as Joker in The Dark Knight!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/20...864363,00.html
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#22 ·
Anthony Smith3 said:Here’s some more killer news for Van Damme and J. C. V. d. that’ll probably have half you guys rolling your eyes or laughing... apparently, according to Time, Van Damme’s performance in this flick landed him the number two spot for the best male acting performances of the year, right behind Heath Ledger as Joker in The Dark Knight!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/20...864363,00.html

How exactly is one supposed to recoil or laugh if they haven't even seen the movie? 😕
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#23 ·
goldenhound32 said:How exactly is one supposed to recoil or laugh if they haven't even seen the movie? 😕


Trust me... there are people who write this movie off with a laugh before it even starts just because it stars Van Damme. They assume he’s incapable of actually acting or making anything decent.😉
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#24 ·
Anthony Smith3 said:Trust me... there are people who write this movie off with a laugh before it even starts just because it stars Van Damme. They assume he’s incapable of actually acting or making anything decent.😉

Prejudices.

I read up on what the plot was about a long time ago and was immediately intrigued, even though, truth be told, I haven't actually enjoyed a single film starring Van Damme up to this point.
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#25 ·
goldenhound32 said:Prejudices.

I read up on what the plot was about a long time ago and was immediately intrigued, even though, truth be told, I haven't actually enjoyed a single film starring Van Damme up to this point.


Exactly...🙄

I used to think the same way when I tried telling people this might be different... I mean, if a movie sounds interesting and the reviews say it's a masterpiece worth watching, why not just give it a shot? Even if Van Damme isn't your usual type, right?!

I bet at least 50%—maybe even 30%—of the people who saw The Dark Knight only watched it because of all the hype and glowing reviews, not because they were genuinely interested from the jump or because they're huge fans of Nolan's work...🤷
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#26 ·
Anthony Smith3 said:Exactly...🙄

I used to think the same way when I tried telling people this might be different... I mean, if a movie sounds interesting and the reviews say it's a masterpiece worth watching, why not just give it a shot? Even if Van Damme isn't your usual type, right?!

I bet at least 50%—maybe even 30%—of the people who saw The Dark Knight only watched it because of all the hype and glowing reviews, not because they were genuinely interested from the jump or because they're huge fans of Nolan's work...🤷

It was more about the late Heath Ledger as Joker than it was about Nolan. Or perhaps just because they have a thing for Batman.
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#27 ·
goldenhound32 said:It was more about the late Heath Ledger as Joker than it was about Nolan. Or perhaps just because they have a thing for Batman.

Could be that too...👍

Everyone?! Hmmm... I'm not so sure about that...🤷
velvetcrane57 velvetcrane57 Active Member
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#28 ·
If you don't love Batman, you might as well just step out in front of a speeding car. Honestly, that sounds more pleasant than having to deal with you. 😁 🤣
Batman is easily the greatest 🙂
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#29 ·
Could use a little help here if anyone’s around...

Does anybody happen to know the name of the song in this trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhoYqywgoU

It kicks in right around the 30-second mark.
Charles Smith4 Charles Smith4 Member
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#30 ·
The song is titled 'Modern Love' and is originally by David Bowie.

But in the trailer, it's performed by Maria Mazziotti.👍
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#31 ·
Charles Smith4 said:The song is titled 'Modern Love' and is originally by David Bowie.

But in the trailer, it's performed by Maria Mazziotti.👍


Thanks👍 👍 👍
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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#32 ·
Absolute masterpiece 🙏 .That sequence involving the manager, the cab driver, and the courtroom features one of the greatest monologues ever written, not to mention that opening scene... by the way, the opening scene features some real local characters :-)... "First I'm going to beat you, then I'm going to screw you"... if my memory serves me right, he actually used that line in one of his older movies before.
granitehound19 granitehound19 Member
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#33 ·
David Price5 said:Absolute masterpiece 🙏 .That sequence involving the manager, the cab driver, and the courtroom features one of the greatest monologues ever written, not to mention that opening scene... by the way, the opening scene features some real local characters :-)... "First I'm going to beat you, then I'm going to screw you"... if my memory serves me right, he actually used that line in one of his older movies before.

That whole "beat him up first, then have my way with him" bit is straight out of the movie Lionheart 😉
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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#34 ·
granitehound19 said:That whole "beat him up first, then have my way with him" bit is straight out of the movie Lionheart 😉

I knew it... I actually watched that film during the war :-). Since the character he was fighting said it, I suppose it serves as some kind of director's tribute...
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#35 ·
David Price5 said:Absolute masterpiece 🙏 .That sequence involving the manager, the cab driver, and the courtroom features one of the greatest monologues ever written, not to mention that opening scene... by the way, the opening scene features some real local characters :-)... "First I'm going to beat you, then I'm going to screw you"... if my memory serves me right, he actually used that line in one of his older movies before.

Yeah... I heard that too haha... just hadn't written my own take yet, so I didn't bring it up...😁
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#36 ·
JCVD (2008) 4.5/5 - TRAILER
Look, I’ll just come out with it right away because I know some of you probably already get it... I’m a total Van Damme fan. I grew up on his movies, loved them as a kid, and honestly, I haven't outgrown them one bit—just like the "Goonies," "Conan," "Flash Gordon," and all those other flicks from my childhood. I've always felt he was underrated, both as an action icon and an actor, especially compared to the big names everyone hypes up like Stallone, Willis, or Schwarzenegger. In my book, his movie quality held its own against theirs, and he definitely had more acting ambition (and looked better than most, excluding Stallone). This movie proves it, too; it won over the critics and even a good chunk of the general public who usually can't stand him. I'll try to keep this objective, but don't blame me if I get a little carried away.
Basically, the film blurs the lines between reality and fiction. It uses this half-comedic, half-serious, almost "documentary" style to show the highs and lows of a washed-up action star's life—specifically Jean-Claude Van Damme. It touches on his rise and fall, the baggage he carries (drugs, legal battles over kids, terrible roles, and bad movies), most of which were his own fault. Then there's this fictional setup where he's a celebrity suspected of a bank robbery, leading to a hostage situation that isn't what it seems. The movie is packed with quality, from the technical side to the direction and acting. To me, it feels like a mix of Tarantino and the French New Wave, with a heavy dose of "Being John Malkovich" and "Dog Day Afternoon." If I'm wrong, correct me, but I think "JCVD" pulls from multiple styles—the editing, the cinematography, the framing, and the non-linear storytelling that shows different perspectives, which is classic Tarantino. Even the music choice fits perfectly.
The film kicks off with a long action sequence shot in one continuous take lasting about three and a half minutes, set to that great "Hard Times" track by Baby Huey. One thing to note: during that sequence, some of the villains Van Damme is tossing around are speaking American. At one point, you can actually hear a famous line from his old movie "Lionheart" — "First I'm gonna beat you, then I'm gonna screw you" LOL, a great little Easter egg that only real fans will catch. But moving on. That opening is exciting, funny, and a bit trashy all at once. It's the perfect way to show how tough and thankless it is to be a faded B-movie action star in an industry where everything is mass-produced just to make a quick buck. Don't let the action fool you, though; this isn't just another mindless shoot like his 80s and 90s stuff. Most of the action you see here isn't even the point of the movie.
"JCVD" is really a commentary on Van Damme's career and the entire action genre from the 80s and 90s. It name-drops pretty much every star from that era... Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Seagal, Chuck Norris, even Rutger Hauer. It even brings up John Woo, one of the absolute masters of the genre behind cult classics like "Hard Boiled" and "The Killer." It highlights how Van Damme’s persistence helped break into a Hollywood that barely knew who Woo was back then, even though the director was a massive star overseas. One of the characters even points this out. He says,"Man would probably still be throwing clay pigeons in Hong Kong if it wasn't for Van Damme". Would he? Who knows, but honestly, it doesn't even matter.
The movie shows just how much Van Damme hates his own career—the flicks he’s made and the mess he’s in now, basically "stuck" filming cheap action movies produced in Eastern Europe. He actually makes fun of himself for it. After Seagal snatched a role from him just because he trimmed his goatee, Van Damme took a gig in some low-budget trash without even reading the script, simply because he needed the cash. As funny as that sounds, it’s pretty close to the truth. It’s no secret that Van Damme hasn't been happy with his filmography; very few projects ever met his standards, which is likely why he decided to shake things up and try to hit the reset button on his career.
A young director and one of the writers, Mabrouk El Mechri, did a Lionheart job here. By managing to pull the best out of Van Damme—that raw acting talent that’s been buried for years—he crafted a film that's entertaining, sad, nostalgic, and genuinely smart. The great (and occasionally long) shots, expressive camera angles, washed-out cinematography, the color palette, and an incredible soundtrack are all tools he uses to bring his vision to life. It’s worth noting the director isn't some huge Van Damme fan; he only saw a couple of his old movies growing up, so this isn't some "fan tribute" to a fallen star like some might think. The direction is also super sharp, using a sort of Tarantino-style approach to the storytelling that works for a few reasons. First, it keeps the director from showing all his cards upfront; he toys with the audience and the direction of the plot, even if we don't necessarily buy everything we see. Second, it breaks up any potential monotony that would have come from a strictly linear story. What I mean is, the director pulls us away from the hostage situation at the bank—which can get a bit slow—to give us glimpses through flashbacks into the lead character's life, showing us problems that make the bank heist look minor by comparison.
I already mentioned the music, but it bears repeating. Not just the song choices that fit perfectly, but the instrumental score by Gast Waltzing, which sounds like something Lalo Schifrin would compose. All of it builds an amazing atmosphere. The songs used, specifically "Hard Times" by Baby Huey at the start and "Modern Love"—originally by David Bowie, but covered by Maria Mazziotti at the end—feel like they're narrating the actor's life story. "Having hard time in this crazy times" says one, while the other goes "Its not really work, Its just the power to charm, Im still standing in the wind, But I never wave bye bye...But I try, I try". It's not just Van Damme's career that mirrors those lyrics; sometimes it feels like us, too.

To Be Continued...
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#37 ·
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The supporting cast is mostly made up of American actors I don't really recognize, but they’re all solid, even pretty funny—especially Karo Belkhadr, who plays one of the kidnappers. He seems like a huge Van Damme fan, which honestly drives a lot of the comedy. But obviously, this is Van Damme's show, and he absolutely crushed it, much to everyone's surprise. I have to highlight that famous monologue; it's just one continuous seven-minute shot. The emotional range he shows there is insane—shifting from calm to sadness, crying, then laughing—and it feels totally real. Honestly, I was nearly in tears watching it. I can't tell if that's just because I'm a fan or if the scene is genuinely that heavy. Some people felt the monologue was a bit too much because it stands out so much from the rest of the movie, signaling it's more than just a standard flick. To me, though, it felt like a deep dive into the hero's head during a crisis—just a guy re-evaluating his entire life. You know how they say when people hit a breaking point, they suddenly look back at every mistake they've ever made? That was basically this scene. Aside from that moment, plenty of people have praised his performance, with some even whispering about Oscar buzz. Whether that's realistic is another story. It's a great role, but calling it Oscar material might be pushing it. Let's stay grounded. Plus, we're talking about Van Damme, the "washed-up" action star people thought had already checked out (LOL). Like the old saying goes, "one swallow doesn't make a summer," but this definitely proves you can pull off anything if you put your mind to it. As for the downsides? I don't know. Maybe the fact that the director cut about 40 minutes of footage intended for a director's cut, or maybe the pacing drags in spots (though I didn't mind). Or maybe I just missed something.
All in all, Van Damme proved he can carry a real movie and act whenever the script actually demands it. Whether he keeps going this route remains to be seen. I honestly hope that once he finishes UniSol 3—which he's stuck doing because of some legal mess and potential lawsuits—he leaves these cheesy action flicks behind for good. He’s clearly serious about his pivot, especially since he turned down Sylvester Stallone's offer to join him, Statham, and Jel Li- in the upcoming 2010 spectacle The Expendables. Instead of Van Damme, they went with Dolph Lundgren, another 80s action icon whose career has been a bit of a roller coaster, so good luck to him too. As for "JCVD"... highly recommended. One of the best films of the year, and I'm not just saying that as a fan.
rustycrane23 rustycrane23 Newcomer
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#38 ·
It’s all a wash—just a quick sprint to the local torrent site and then you've got your movie.
Anthony Smith3 Anthony Smith3 RegularOP
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#39 ·
rustycrane23 said:It’s all a wash—just a quick sprint to the local torrent site and then you've got your movie.


Honestly, it wouldn't hurt... the movie deserves a decent viewing...👍
gentlebadger88 gentlebadger88 Active Member
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#40 ·
Anthony Smith3, short and sweet 😁. Interesting read, think I might actually go watch it now myself 😁

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