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Participants Amanda Nguyen5George Alvarez3Roger Allen3Christian Sanchez4Walter Fowler53coppergardenerKyle Nguyen16jadewolf56Daniel LopezJames Hernandez72Bradley Ramirez5mistyharbor15placidbison84mellowsailor11lonelynx44driftingorca13Harold Howard6Michael Scott12Maria Rogers7Emily Baker4brightscout63driftingmarlin4
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
134 messages
joined Dec 2007
#1 ·
Just got back from the screening, so I figured I'd kick this thread off right now.

"What did you watch?" my buddy asked me over the phone. How am I supposed to answer that? "An animated feature"? Nah, sounds too formal... "A cartoon," I said... and then I paused for a second. Man, "cartoon" sounds so innocent, doesn't it?
That's really the core issue with animation these days. It’s not being made to be a "cartoon" intended primarily for kids. No, nowadays, "kids' movies" are stuff like Bridge to Terabithia, Golden Compass, or eventually Harry Potter. Kids want to see talking trees and flying broomsticks, not a dog chasing a cat because the cat is chasing a mouse—which was basically the essence of the cartoons from my childhood (and yours, too). Modern animated films are something else entirely. They're targeting an educated, attentive audience; people who want to actually think while they watch, rather than just sitting there, munching popcorn and laughing at random gags. Honestly, I had to work harder watching this thing than I did watching 80% of this year's live-action cinema releases. The pacing, the dialogue, the colors, the dense jokes—it all felt like something you need to come prepared for. You could follow those older genres three times easier today.
There were tons of clever bits flying through this film (animated film, cartoon, whatever...), and I think I caught about 70% of them. Actually, I bet I caught more than 80% of the audience, because the rest just flew right over my head for some reason. There were moments where you could tell a joke was clearly "in the air"—but the theater just sat there in silence. Not even grumbling or loud popcorn crunching, just pure silence, because if most people didn't feel it, they definitely felt what I felt.
The movie is incredibly fast-paced, even if it doesn't feel like it at first, and that's my biggest gripe along with it being a bit unfocused. So, this bee is trying to make a life for herself, so she flies out, pollinates flowers, gathers honey, talks to humans, ends up in a courtroom (I mean, a courtroom! in a cartoon!), saves Mother Nature's entire flora, goes back to gathering honey, and so on and so on, endlessly.
Roger Ebert also drew some (conditional) parallels between the bee's worldview and Marxism, which is actually pretty easy to spot once you look for it, and it's pretty interesting.
Something Ebert didn't mention, which I find even more fascinating, is that the two biggest animated hits this year both focus on communication between an animal protagonist and their human friend—basically their anchor in the world. Why is this happening now, and why is Hollywood pumping out so many political films this year? It's certainly not a trivial question you can just brush off, but it's a hell of an interesting phenomenon.
Even when I compare it to Ratatouille, I have to admit Ratatouille left a much bigger impression on me. Rotten Tomatoes gave The Bee Movie a measly 53%, while Juhu-h got something like 96%. Personally, I'd be a bit gentler and give our flying hero a solid 7 or 8/10. The animation is gorgeous and there are great jokes (Chris Rock absolutely shines, and as one American critic noted, it's about time he got his own animated movie), but I still can't get past how overstuffed and unfocused it feels.

Sorry, I started rambling at the end because I remembered nobody actually reads these long posts anyway, and I don't want to spend days typing this out, so I'll stop here.
George Alvarez3 George Alvarez3 Member
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joined Sep 2008
#2 ·
Aside from the fact that the death of hand-drawn animation absolutely terrifies me—because honestly, this whole 3D trend is just getting harder and harder to stomach—I think you nailed the point here with your sense of humor (if I’m reading you right). The jokes they’re peddling aren't even meant for kids, and they lack that genuine charm you find in something like Mulan or The Lion King. It’s worse than that. Take Arthur in the land of the Minimoys, for instance. It’s dubbed over specifically to target children, yet it's packed with these ridiculous parodies lifted from other movies that those same kids were way too young to get, or hadn't even seen yet. Or it relies on these weird scene gags—like when characters start dancing to trip-hop mid-fight, or that entire ridiculous sequence involving bras and boobs and all that nonsense. Kids don't get it because they can't catch the subtext. Then you have the older crowd laughing while the little ones just sit there looking around, totally lost, and you can't even explain why it's supposed to be funny. Or look at Little Red Riding Hood. There are a million subtle layers there that kids might actually start grasping around age thirteen, assuming they even notice the cleverness behind the framing and how the story connects. And don't even get me started on Braveheart, which is basically just a carbon copy of some movie about USA vs Germany, like the United Kingdom vs Nazi Germany. Seriously?!

So yeah, the whole concept of an "animated film" is shifting, and I am definitely not feeling it. Oh, and... The Bee Movie? One of the bad ones. O.o
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
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joined Dec 2007
#3 ·
George Alvarez3 said:Aside from the fact that the death of hand-drawn animation absolutely terrifies me—because honestly, this whole 3D trend is just getting harder and harder to stomach—I think you nailed the point here with your sense of humor (if I’m reading you right). The jokes they’re peddling aren't even meant for kids, and they lack that genuine charm you find in something like Mulan or The Lion King. It’s worse than that. Take Arthur in the land of the Minimoys, for instance. It’s dubbed over specifically to target children, yet it's packed with these ridiculous parodies lifted from other movies that those same kids were way too young to get, or hadn't even seen yet. Or it relies on these weird scene gags—like when characters start dancing to trip-hop mid-fight, or that entire ridiculous sequence involving bras and boobs and all that nonsense. Kids don't get it because they can't catch the subtext. Then you have the older crowd laughing while the little ones just sit there looking around, totally lost, and you can't even explain why it's supposed to be funny. Or look at Little Red Riding Hood. There are a million subtle layers there that kids might actually start grasping around age thirteen, assuming they even notice the cleverness behind the framing and how the story connects. And don't even get me started on Braveheart, which is basically just a carbon copy of some movie about USA vs Germany, like the United Kingdom vs Nazi Germany. Seriously?!

So yeah, the whole concept of an "animated film" is shifting, and I am definitely not feeling it. Oh, and... The Bee Movie? One of the bad ones. O.o


Yeah, you read me perfectly, though unfortunately, it just proves my terrible taste in movies 😲. I haven't seen any of the ones you listed except for Arthur, but I totally get what you mean
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Speaking of Arthur, there was that one guy who seemed constantly high, if I remember right, which just adds more weight to my point (which you totally agree with)
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The Bee Movie isn't exactly a masterpiece, but out of the three movies I've actually sat through this year, it firmly takes second place. It's miles ahead of the nonsense in Simpson, and a couple of miles behind the sheer genius of Auguste Gusteau (by the way, another subtle touch by the author... even people who aren't into wordplay, even kids, will sense that there's something going on with that name. They won't realize it's Dadaism, but they'll feel that charm, much like we've seen before, whereas The Bee Movie just lacks that level of finesse and charm)
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
337 messages
joined Oct 2003
#4 ·
Kids might actually enjoy this one, though the plot feels like something a toddler dreamed up. Luckily, they hired some top-tier voice talent to save it! 🙂
Christian Sanchez4 Christian Sanchez4 Active Member
56 messages
joined Jan 2007
#5 ·
-The Bee Movie 🙏 10/10. It's a classic.
-Kids just evolve, I guess. They don't find those old Smurfs funny anymore. At least, not the average smart kid.
-There are plenty of other animated movies out there with that old-school, simple sense of humor, so there's something for everyone. You can always filter through them to decide what's actually appropriate for your kids' minds.
Walter Fowler53 Walter Fowler53 Active Member
56 messages
joined Jul 2006
#6 ·
Roger Allen3 said:Kids might actually enjoy this one, though the plot feels like something a toddler dreamed up. Luckily, they hired some top-tier voice talent to save it! 🙂

Not far off, considering it's basically Seinfeld🤣 😁
Amanda Nguyen5 Amanda Nguyen5 Active MemberOP
134 messages
joined Dec 2007
#7 ·
I wasn't even going to bring up the 10/10 rating because, honestly, there's just no cure for this one... it's beyond help.
Roger Allen3 Roger Allen3 Regular
337 messages
joined Oct 2003
#8 ·
Walter Fowler53 said:Not far off, considering it's basically Seinfeld🤣 😁

And what on earth do you mean by that?😬
coppergardener coppergardener Active Member
137 messages
joined Jun 2006
#9 ·
Amanda Nguyen5 said:Just got back from the screening, so I figured I'd kick this thread off right now.

"What did you watch?" my buddy asked me over the phone. How am I supposed to answer that? "An animated feature"? Nah, sounds too formal... "A cartoon," I said... and then I paused for a second. Man, "cartoon" sounds so innocent, doesn't it?
That's really the core issue with animation these days. It’s not being made to be a "cartoon" intended primarily for kids. No, nowadays, "kids' movies" are stuff like Bridge to Terabithia, Golden Compass, or eventually Harry Potter. Kids want to see talking trees and flying broomsticks, not a dog chasing a cat because the cat is chasing a mouse—which was basically the essence of the cartoons from my childhood (and yours, too). Modern animated films are something else entirely. They're targeting an educated, attentive audience; people who want to actually think while they watch, rather than just sitting there, munching popcorn and laughing at random gags. Honestly, I had to work harder watching this thing than I did watching 80% of this year's live-action cinema releases. The pacing, the dialogue, the colors, the dense jokes—it all felt like something you need to come prepared for. You could follow those older genres three times easier today.
There were tons of clever bits flying through this film (animated film, cartoon, whatever...), and I think I caught about 70% of them. Actually, I bet I caught more than 80% of the audience, because the rest just flew right over my head for some reason. There were moments where you could tell a joke was clearly "in the air"—but the theater just sat there in silence. Not even grumbling or loud popcorn crunching, just pure silence, because if most people didn't feel it, they definitely felt what I felt.
The movie is incredibly fast-paced, even if it doesn't feel like it at first, and that's my biggest gripe along with it being a bit unfocused. So, this bee is trying to make a life for herself, so she flies out, pollinates flowers, gathers honey, talks to humans, ends up in a courtroom (I mean, a courtroom! in a cartoon!), saves Mother Nature's entire flora, goes back to gathering honey, and so on and so on, endlessly.
Roger Ebert also drew some (conditional) parallels between the bee's worldview and Marxism, which is actually pretty easy to spot once you look for it, and it's pretty interesting.
Something Ebert didn't mention, which I find even more fascinating, is that the two biggest animated hits this year both focus on communication between an animal protagonist and their human friend—basically their anchor in the world. Why is this happening now, and why is Hollywood pumping out so many political films this year? It's certainly not a trivial question you can just brush off, but it's a hell of an interesting phenomenon.
Even when I compare it to Ratatouille, I have to admit Ratatouille left a much bigger impression on me. Rotten Tomatoes gave The Bee Movie a measly 53%, while Juhu-h got something like 96%. Personally, I'd be a bit gentler and give our flying hero a solid 7 or 8/10. The animation is gorgeous and there are great jokes (Chris Rock absolutely shines, and as one American critic noted, it's about time he got his own animated movie), but I still can't get past how overstuffed and unfocused it feels.

Sorry, I started rambling at the end because I remembered nobody actually reads these long posts anyway, and I don't want to spend days typing this out, so I'll stop here.

On topic: I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm looking forward to it... purely for the sake of Seinfeld. I'm going in with zero expectations.

Off-topic: I actually just wanted to say that you wrote a really great post. 😁
Kyle Nguyen16 Kyle Nguyen16 Member
31 messages
joined Nov 2003
#10 ·
I wasn't really feeling it, honestly. I was expecting way more, probably because I was hoping for some Seinfeld vibes
Wild Wave with those surfing penguins is way, way better. 👍 Even compared to everything else I’ve watched over the last six months—like Ratatouille, Shrek 3, or Uncle Sam... man, Wild Wave is hands down the absolute best.
jadewolf56 jadewolf56 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2008
#11 ·
I caught that animated flick; it was alright, I guess, but it felt a bit too much like A Bug's Life to me—just the same old premise wrapped in different skin.
Daniel Lopez Daniel Lopez Active Member
187 messages
joined Sep 2003
#12 ·
I think it’s quite good 😍 I prefer to stay humble 😁
James Hernandez72 James Hernandez72 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2008
#13 ·
I'm on board with most of what’s been said here, but let’s be real—have you actually looked at the kind of cartoons being churned out for kids these days? Between stuff like Shrek 3 and The Simpsons, none of this is actually designed to make a kid laugh at a clever joke. Mind you, maybe I just stick to animation aimed at older audiences. It feels like this movie targets younger kids through the sheer visual spectacle and how they built out that bee world—which, honestly, was pretty captivating 🙂 )

If I had one major gripe with the film, it would be the underlying message. I mean, what are they even trying to say here? The idea that no matter how soul-crushing or monotonous a job is, or how much you want to escape it, you shouldn't even try because it won't end well? That's nonsense. If a job is "dumb" but serves the greater good, then you should find fulfillment in doing it. Once you accept that, everything falls into place, the world thrives, everyone's happy, and you've found your purpose. 🙄

Personally, that message hit me pretty hard. It's honestly sad for kids watching this stuff; they're never going to grow up to be true idealists 😢
Bradley Ramirez5 Bradley Ramirez5 Member
45 messages
joined Feb 2007
#14 ·
I felt much the same way about the film—it wasn't exactly a cinematic masterpiece, but it was certainly decent enough. It sits somewhere just a notch above anything Simpson-esque and significantly better than Shrek 3, though I’d have to say Ratatouille remains my absolute favorite of the year.

The theater was absolutely packed with kids, but honestly, they probably just sat there mesmerized by the bees flying around on screen anyway.
mistyharbor15 mistyharbor15 Member
27 messages
joined Dec 2007
#15 ·
I'm with James Hernandez72 on this one. The movie actually gives adults plenty to chew on. As for the kids—if they walk away thinking nothing is worth changing because things just have to be the way they are—I guess we'll find out in twenty years. 🤷
Personally, I get why they pushed that angle about humans messing with the natural order, mixed with that typical Seinfeldian riffing on everyday trivialities and basic social dynamics. But honestly? It felt like a run-of-the-mill Dreamworks-esque flick to me. A bit of cute bee stuff and slapstick for the kids, some wordplay and "mature" jokes for the adults, a few action beats, a half-baked romance, and the usual "guy saves the world" plot.
All in all, it looks like American animation is entering an era of formulaic filler that occasionally hits a high note, but rarely touches a Pixar-esque masterpiece.
placidbison84 placidbison84 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2008
#16 ·
The film is actually decent enough... there are some genuinely hilarious moments from The Bee Movie or even something out of a Jerry Seinfeld bit... I’d say go ahead and check it out if you haven't yet.
mellowsailor11 mellowsailor11 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2008
#17 ·
I couldn't find an existing thread about this flick, so I'm starting one right here

Man, this movie is absolutely gold—hilarious! Having Jerry Seinfeld voicing the lead is just perfection

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389790/

Seriously, I heard some lines in this thing that I swear I’ve never heard anywhere else in my life. Like, remember that part toward the end when the mosquito shows up? When the cow walks up and asks if he's a lawyer, and he just snaps back that being a bloodsucker was all he needed to complete his profile? How do you even come up with that? It's genius 😁

But anyway, just take a look at this face

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You honestly just HAVE to watch this movie
lonelynx44 lonelynx44 Member
42 messages
joined Dec 2009
#18 ·
hmmm... I thought the movie was awesome, but idk what you're getting at—sure, there's adult humor in there, but honestly, kids still find it engaging... seriously though... that's just how critics are these days. Personally, I think Madagascar is peak genius for that exact reason—you watch it and it's packed with jokes for adults, yet it stays totally fun for kids too... and I actually love when they pull that off, creating that parallel where both audiences get something different out of it. The Bee Movie is the same deal! It’s got those classic Seinfeldian vibes, but the plot still works for children... and as for that "moral of the story" thing you mentioned... please, who actually cares about life lessons from a cartoon?? I don't recall sitting around as a kid thinking, "Man, I better follow this animated character's advice in real life," you know? No. Anyway, I'm giving The Bee Movie an 8.9/10... 🙂
driftingorca13 driftingorca13 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2008
#19 ·
This animated film exists because Spielberg took Seinfeld a little too seriously...
Harold Howard6 Harold Howard6 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Sep 2009
#20 ·
I honestly can't wrap my head around why they feel the need to cram both kid-friendly themes and adult storylines into a single movie. I mean, I suppose I see the logic behind it—it all boils down to that romantic subplot, doesn't it?
I haven’t actually sat down to watch Shrek, but I’ve noticed a growing trend over the last few years where animated films seem designed to appeal to everyone at once. The problem is that when you try to hit every demographic, the result often feels cluttered, overblown, and just plain forced. It creates this weird middle ground where neither kids nor adults can truly lose themselves in the story. It’s a far cry from the classics I grew up with, like Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King. Those movies were unapologetically made for children, yet they possessed such genuine quality and heart that adults could sit there alongside them and be completely captivated. The humor felt natural rather than manufactured, and the storytelling was intelligent enough to stand on its own without relying on those cheap, suggestive jokes meant solely to keep parents entertained while they struggle through a movie with their little ones.
To be honest, I haven't even sat down to watch Shrek, so I can't give you a definitive take on it. It’s entirely possible that it's actually geared toward adults. I suppose what I'm trying to point out is the tendency of some parents to drag their kids to a movie just because it's animated, assuming that an animation automatically equals something for children—it's really just me highlighting a certain lack of foresight on the part of some parents.

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