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Participants Jerry Martin19Kate Torressteelmarlin3Samuel Smith5Carol LewisJoseph Lee3redowl90Scott Garcia20Henry Campbell5Larry Martin11wearytinker8Paul Wright18Carol King13John Peterson3cosmicraven2David Price5Anthony Jackson50Carol Roberts59Richard Wilson4driftingeagle27lonelynx44crimsontrucker4
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active Member
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#21 ·
Adam Sandler: Punch-Drunk Love☕
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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#22 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Adam Sandler: Punch-Drunk Love☕

...I seriously can't believe this! I literally just wrote about how that same film is totally uncharacteristic for Wes Anderson—I mean, he usually directs these complex, almost "epic" movies (not in a bad way, obviously, but still), whereas this is just a breezy, sweet, "modernly old-fashioned" comedy 😍—but then I deleted the whole post thinking, whatever, it doesn't matter...

...good grief 😵 😍

🙂
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#23 ·
Henry Campbell5 said:Adam Sandler: Punch-Drunk Love☕

Even though I haven't seen it yet, I'd probably add Reign Over Me to this list. I heard it's supposed to be some kind of drama... (?)
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#24 ·
Larry Martin11 said:...I seriously can't believe this! I literally just wrote about how that same film is totally uncharacteristic for Wes Anderson—I mean, he usually directs these complex, almost "epic" movies (not in a bad way, obviously, but still), whereas this is just a breezy, sweet, "modernly old-fashioned" comedy 😍—but then I deleted the whole post thinking, whatever, it doesn't matter...

...good grief 😵 😍

🙂

Personally, I feel like all of Wes Anderson's films belong to different genres. Sure, they’re technically all dramas, but the context changes so much it’s like they weren't even made by the same person.
But I mean that in the most positive way possible. 👍
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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#25 ·
@redowl90
...I mean, I kind of agree—each one follows its own logic, which is exactly why they’re so great. You never walk away feeling like Wes Anderson is just recycling himself😍...but then again, there’s always this sense of "grandeur" or complexity in them—that specific "overview" style he has that you just can't escape... and then, out of nowhere, he flips the script and makes something that isn't "big" or "complex" at all, but instead carries this surprising lightness, and don't even get me started on the camera work😵...

...I don't know... for me, it felt like a total leap into the unknown. I remember reading that Tykwer-esque critique of it (good grief, where did I hide the link for that? 😵) and thinking, okay, but is this really Anderson? Turns out, it actually was😍.

🙂
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#26 ·
Larry Martin11 said:@redowl90
...I mean, I kind of agree—each one follows its own logic, which is exactly why they’re so great. You never walk away feeling like Wes Anderson is just recycling himself😍...but then again, there’s always this sense of "grandeur" or complexity in them—that specific "overview" style he has that you just can't escape... and then, out of nowhere, he flips the script and makes something that isn't "big" or "complex" at all, but instead carries this surprising lightness, and don't even get me started on the camera work😵...

...I don't know... for me, it felt like a total leap into the unknown. I remember reading that Tykwer-esque critique of it (good grief, where did I hide the link for that? 😵) and thinking, okay, but is this really Anderson? Turns out, it actually was😍.

🙂

Just wait until you see There Will Be Blood... 😍
Man, I'm probably being a broken record by bringing up that movie again. 🙂
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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#27 ·
...I wouldn't say I'm 😍 exactly. I'm dying to see it, really, but I don't have the heart to watch it before it hits theaters—I just have this gut feeling it's one of "those" movies that practically begs for the biggest screen possible 😍
wearytinker8 wearytinker8 Active Member
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#28 ·
"The Departed" — basically the first time Martin Scorsese actually leaned into a complex plot.
Marty, man...
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#29 ·
wearytinker8 said:"The Departed" — basically the first time Martin Scorsese actually leaned into a complex plot.
Marty, man...

😕
Henry Campbell5 Henry Campbell5 Active Member
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#30 ·
Larry Martin11 said:...I seriously can't believe this! I literally just wrote about how that same film is totally uncharacteristic for Wes Anderson—I mean, he usually directs these complex, almost "epic" movies (not in a bad way, obviously, but still), whereas this is just a breezy, sweet, "modernly old-fashioned" comedy 😍—but then I deleted the whole post thinking, whatever, it doesn't matter...

...good grief 😵 😍

🙂

First off, thanks for the 😍 , but I wouldn't call it some breezy little comedy. The movie is fantastic, but it’s schizophrenic... that's exactly why I love it. A lot of people went in expecting a Sandler slapstick flick because they don't know the Wes Anderson catalog, so they ended up walking out halfway through the theater.
wearytinker8 wearytinker8 Active Member
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#31 ·
redowl90 said:😕

Martin Scorsese actually said it himself—*The Departed* was his first real foray into a plot-driven narrative. You know, that classic four-act structure with a proper setup, rising action, climax, and resolution... unlike his earlier stuff, which mostly leaned into those crime dramas, romances, biographies, comedies, sports stories, or historical pieces.
Since he only finally snagged an Oscar after five nominations, the critics were quick to get snarky about the Academy's standards. They joked that he was only allowed to walk through those church doors once he’d actually turned in a film that was considered "Hollywood-correct"...
Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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#32 ·
I’ve got a few cinematic deep cuts I feel like sharing.

First up, Frank Sinatra, who isn't exactly known as a heavyweight of the silver screen, but he certainly left a mark. He was always cast as the charming rogue, the soldier, or the sailor, but there's this one oddity of a film that feels incredibly cheap—like a low-budget B-movie produced on a shoestring budget—yet somehow remains strangely captivating. I'm talking about Suddenly. From the opening shot, you can practically smell the lack of funding, but the film is so magnetic and cleverly constructed that it actually holds its own against much more polished, high-budget thrillers. As far as it goes, it works perfectly; the pacing and the narrative flow are just wild. Sure, certain technical aspects, like the editing and cinematography, are pretty rough, but those flaws become secondary once you get swept up in the quality of the storytelling.

To the surprise of his fans at the time, Sinatra plays the villain—a cold-blooded killer—and he nails it. It's a fantastic performance; it's almost as if his handlers gave him a completely different script to work with... 😁

Interestingly, his co-star, who plays the quintessential law-and-order hero in this flick, is a man usually known for playing the troublemakers, the eccentrics, the drunks, and the con artists— Sterling Hayden. And he is absolutely brilliant here! It’s a clever little movie where the usual character archetypes have essentially swapped places.
Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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#33 ·
Yeah, it’s probably one of the most unlikely casting choices in cinema history. I can’t think of anything more improbable or surreal: seeing Peter Sellers playing a hardcore villain, a gritty gangster, or some low-life underworld figure in an American noir. Is this some kind of cosmic joke?

Never Let Go

It’s a classic example of that mid-century independent cinema style from roughly 1955 to 1965, directed by John Guillermin, who eventually headed to Hollywood to direct Blood Orange with Steve McQueen. The film manages to blend the grit of a social drama with Hitchcockian suspense and a heavy dose of American noir. The performances are incredibly intense, and certain scenes were so raw they practically earned an X rating when it first dropped back in 1960. Even today, the sheer realism of the violence and the crushing emotional weight hit just as hard. The plot keeps you guessing, the script stays composed... honestly, the movie is quite good, and considering it was Sellers' one and only foray into playing a bad guy, it stands out as something truly unique.

You can spot a few threads connecting it to Bicycle Thieves, though the neo-realism and noir elements here are mostly just serving as inspiration for that specific blend of storytelling.
wearytinker8 wearytinker8 Active Member
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#34 ·
Joseph Lee3 said:Yeah, it’s probably one of the most unlikely casting choices in cinema history. I can’t think of anything more improbable or surreal: seeing Peter Sellers playing a hardcore villain, a gritty gangster, or some low-life underworld figure in an American noir. Is this some kind of cosmic joke?

Never Let Go

It’s a classic example of that mid-century independent cinema style from roughly 1955 to 1965, directed by John Guillermin, who eventually headed to Hollywood to direct Blood Orange with Steve McQueen. The film manages to blend the grit of a social drama with Hitchcockian suspense and a heavy dose of American noir. The performances are incredibly intense, and certain scenes were so raw they practically earned an X rating when it first dropped back in 1960. Even today, the sheer realism of the violence and the crushing emotional weight hit just as hard. The plot keeps you guessing, the script stays composed... honestly, the movie is quite good, and considering it was Sellers' one and only foray into playing a bad guy, it stands out as something truly unique.

You can spot a few threads connecting it to Bicycle Thieves, though the neo-realism and noir elements here are mostly just serving as inspiration for that specific blend of storytelling.


It’s the same vibe here:

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Forrest Gump as a cold-blooded killer? Give me a break.
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 RegularOP
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#35 ·
Out of the Dead feels like a total outlier in the Scorsesean catalog to me. It’s this super neurotic, heavy depression drama that just hits differently than his usual style. I don't know about you guys, but this isn't the Scorsese I grew up watching. Thoughts?

btw, great flick 😍
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#36 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:Out of the Dead feels like a total outlier in the Scorsesean catalog to me. It’s this super neurotic, heavy depression drama that just hits differently than his usual style. I don't know about you guys, but this isn't the Scorsese I grew up watching. Thoughts?

btw, great flick 😍

A Final Kristoff-esque Temptation?
Paul Wright18 Paul Wright18 Newcomer
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#37 ·
wearytinker8 said:It’s the same vibe here:

image

Forrest Gump as a cold-blooded killer? Give me a break.

And Indiana Jones as the villain:
What Lies Beneath
Zaredo has played so many similar roles involving "fugitives" and "dysfunctional families"—this one started with that exact same formula—but hey, I guess he just couldn't pull off playing the innocent guy this time.😛
Carol King13 Carol King13 Newcomer
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#38 ·
Robin Williams in "Insomnia"?

Sure, he played that creepy guy in "One Hour Photo," but at least he had good intentions there.
Carol Lewis Carol Lewis Active Member
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#39 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:Out of the Dead feels like a total outlier in the Scorsesean catalog to me. It’s this super neurotic, heavy depression drama that just hits differently than his usual style. I don't know about you guys, but this isn't the Scorsese I grew up watching. Thoughts?

btw, great flick 😍

To be different... honestly, that one sits right up there with my top three of his best, especially since you've got Nicolas Cage playing exactly what he does better than anyone else—that absolute disaster of a human being... though I can't help but feel like Scorsese brings just a little bit more to the table...
I was just sitting here thinking about how much certain films capture a specific kind of lightning in a bottle, and it got me wondering about *The Aviator*... you know, that sweeping, grand feeling of ambition and madness all rolled into one... it makes you think about how we perceive those larger-than-life figures in American history, the ones who seem to fly much higher than the rest of us, even if they eventually lose their grip on the ground... I wonder if anyone else feels that same pull when watching those period pieces, where the scale of everything feels so massive yet so deeply personal at the same time... maybe it's just me, but there’s something about that era of American innovation that stays with you long after the credits roll...
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#40 ·
Carol Lewis said:To be different... honestly, that one sits right up there with my top three of his best, especially since you've got Nicolas Cage playing exactly what he does better than anyone else—that absolute disaster of a human being... though I can't help but feel like Scorsese brings just a little bit more to the table...
I was just sitting here thinking about how much certain films capture a specific kind of lightning in a bottle, and it got me wondering about *The Aviator*... you know, that sweeping, grand feeling of ambition and madness all rolled into one... it makes you think about how we perceive those larger-than-life figures in American history, the ones who seem to fly much higher than the rest of us, even if they eventually lose their grip on the ground... I wonder if anyone else feels that same pull when watching those period pieces, where the scale of everything feels so massive yet so deeply personal at the same time... maybe it's just me, but there’s something about that era of American innovation that stays with you long after the credits roll...

It was Band before Aviator.

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