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Carol Lewis Carol Lewis Active Member
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#41 ·
Douglas Reed7 said:De Niro is past his prime. We went from a total perfectionist—someone who would actually learn the saxophone if the role required it, pack on 30 pounds, or bulk up into a powerhouse—to a guy whose peak dramatic performance is just a subtle head shake, eyes glued to the ceiling, and an awkward beard.

Even though he used to carry massive films, lately he seems to be picking nothing but garbage. And it'll probably stay that way. He’s 64 now, and let's be real, he was never really a "character actor" to begin with. His only options left are parodying the very roles that made him famous or trying to pivot into heavy drama, which isn't working particularly well. Regardless, he remains one of my favorite actors.

😂 😂 🙏 (I literally just choked on my coffee)

Everything you said is spot on 👍 ...it really feels like he’s just over the whole grind—like he’s already mentally checked out into retirement!
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#42 ·
Looks like I painted the wrong picture... My take... About De Niro and why he's even being brought up in this thread... I need to set the record straight. Not too long ago, one of the guys here—maybe wearytinker8—started a whole discussion about... Taxi DriverI haven't even really formed a solid opinion on De Niro yet. I’ve sat through maybe 15 of his movies, and for the most part, he hits the mark—most of them being pretty good or even great. I've never had anything negative to say about him, and that hasn't changed... He’s certainly not the first actor to settle into a predictable groove toward the end of his career, and honestly, calling him one-dimensional isn't exactly an insult. A lot of actors work that way, so I don't see why it couldn't be the same for De Niro... Just my two cents... Yeah, that's just how his performance works. Maybe it’s the casting, but who knows... People are probably gonna say something like, "If you don't think De Niro is a transformative actor, just watch..." Awakenings...I can't say I've sat through the whole thing, but I caught a chunk of it... specifically the end, and honestly, it was just...Just the same old pasta...Who says that's actually a bad thing? Not being a transformative actor doesn't mean you're a bad actor; it just means you're the kind of performer destined for more or less the same type of role—and I don't mean "soldier" vs "soldier," I mean the actual essence of the character. It's the same deal with Al Pacino, but... If you ask me... De Niro’s got way more range than people give him credit for...

I have no clue what the deal is with this... Cape Fear...Unknown... Al Pacino... If you ask me... One of the weaker Scorsese films I've seen, and trust me, I've seen plenty... After... The Aviator...And his worst one... but I missed it... Gangs of New York... Which one is probably just as bad, if not worse... The AviatorIf my gut isn't lying to me... before anyone decides to come at me again, they might want to take another look at... boldano...

Most people have that one favorite actor, and then there’s the "best" actor. They aren't always the same person—loving someone doesn't automatically mean you think they're the greatest of all time, and vice versa. I’m betting most of you here count De Niro as a favorite, maybe even the best, but hey, those are just individual takes that eventually turn into a consensus... For me, it’s Tim Roth. He’s my favorite and my pick for the best, all wrapped into one. Can't get much better than that. So what am I supposed to do now? Try to convince the whole world that my opinion is the only right one? Ridiculous...

I feel like we’ve already hit this wall a dozen times before: there is no objective yardstick to measure what’s actually "good" or "bad," especially when it comes to film. So why bother using one? We're basically just throwing our own opinions out there—some people will vibe with them, others won't, and that's really all there is to it. Why try to pin down some absolute standard of quality when it's something so inherently subjective anyway...
Carol Lewis Carol Lewis Active Member
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#43 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:Looks like I painted the wrong picture... My take... About De Niro and why he's even being brought up in this thread... I need to set the record straight. Not too long ago, one of the guys here—maybe wearytinker8—started a whole discussion about... Taxi DriverI haven't even really formed a solid opinion on De Niro yet. I’ve sat through maybe 15 of his movies, and for the most part, he hits the mark—most of them being pretty good or even great. I've never had anything negative to say about him, and that hasn't changed... He’s certainly not the first actor to settle into a predictable groove toward the end of his career, and honestly, calling him one-dimensional isn't exactly an insult. A lot of actors work that way, so I don't see why it couldn't be the same for De Niro... Just my two cents... Yeah, that's just how his performance works. Maybe it’s the casting, but who knows... People are probably gonna say something like, "If you don't think De Niro is a transformative actor, just watch..." Awakenings...I can't say I've sat through the whole thing, but I caught a chunk of it... specifically the end, and honestly, it was just...Just the same old pasta...Who says that's actually a bad thing? Not being a transformative actor doesn't mean you're a bad actor; it just means you're the kind of performer destined for more or less the same type of role—and I don't mean "soldier" vs "soldier," I mean the actual essence of the character. It's the same deal with Al Pacino, but... If you ask me... De Niro’s got way more range than people give him credit for...

I have no clue what the deal is with this... Cape Fear...Unknown... Al Pacino... If you ask me... One of the weaker Scorsese films I've seen, and trust me, I've seen plenty... After... The Aviator...And his worst one... but I missed it... Gangs of New York... Which one is probably just as bad, if not worse... The AviatorIf my gut isn't lying to me... before anyone decides to come at me again, they might want to take another look at... boldano...

Most people have that one favorite actor, and then there’s the "best" actor. They aren't always the same person—loving someone doesn't automatically mean you think they're the greatest of all time, and vice versa. I’m betting most of you here count De Niro as a favorite, maybe even the best, but hey, those are just individual takes that eventually turn into a consensus... For me, it’s Tim Roth. He’s my favorite and my pick for the best, all wrapped into one. Can't get much better than that. So what am I supposed to do now? Try to convince the whole world that my opinion is the only right one? Ridiculous...

I feel like we’ve already hit this wall a dozen times before: there is no objective yardstick to measure what’s actually "good" or "bad," especially when it comes to film. So why bother using one? We're basically just throwing our own opinions out there—some people will vibe with them, others won't, and that's really all there is to it. Why try to pin down some absolute standard of quality when it's something so inherently subjective anyway...

Unknown... man, you've got that one wrong—I definitely agree that The Aviator is easily Scorsese's worst work, but where on earth are you getting the idea that Gangs of New York is just as bad, maybe even worse? 🤷 I mean, how can you even begin to judge movies you haven't actually sat down and watched?

Oh, and yeah... kind of related to what we were talking about earlier:
Chloe Nguyen Chloe Nguyen Member
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#44 ·
Even if Robert De Niro had never filmed anything else in his entire life, his performances in Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and even The Godfather would probably be more than enough to cement his status as a true acting legend—especially considering what he did in Raging Bull.

If I had to point out one single shortcoming in his acting toolkit, I suppose it might be his inability to cry on cue. But then again, I guess you can't really hold that against him when Al Pacino struggles with the same thing.

As for Gangs of New York, I don't think it’s a bad movie, though it certainly isn't anything special either. In my humble opinion, if the film had been built around Daniel Day-Lewis and his character rather than the somewhat uninspiring Leonardo DiCaprio, it might have actually been an absolute masterpiece.
Anthony Jackson50 Anthony Jackson50 Member
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#45 ·
My personal take:
- Robert De Niro as Max Cady in Cape Fear is absolutely chilling, though if I'm being honest, he goes a bit over the top—Robert Mitchum was actually much more subtle in that same role back in the original version.
- In Awakenings, he might also be overacting just a touch, but hey, playing a character dealing with illness was enough to snag him an Oscar nomination from the Academy. What’s truly surprising about that movie, though, is how understated and poised Robin Williams' performance is—something that became pretty rare later in his career.
- For a total 180 in terms of roles: Sleepers shows off his ability to play a "normal" guy with a really grounded, measured performance.
- Meet the Parents is such a fun comedy where almost everything lands perfectly, including De Niro's part—it was arguably his first real foray into classic comedy.
- Now, Hide and Seek? That was a complete miss for me—just an unnecessary addition to his filmography.
- Greetings feels like one of those early Brian De Palma projects that has a bit of a student film vibe to it—kind of reminiscent of certain gritty indie movements you see in cinema—similar to Hi, Mom (though the latter is definitely the better film).
- You can't forget the Rupert Pupkin character in King of Comedy; those scenes he has with Jerry Lewis are just as hilarious as they are uncomfortable (the irony is that Jerry Lewis is actually incredibly restrained in this one).
Summary: Even with a few instances of overacting and some lackluster movies, Robert De Niro remains one of the greatest actors of all time.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#46 ·
Since we’re on the subject, here’s my two cents: Gangs of New York is a subpar movie because it reeks of "give me an Oscar" energy. The same goes for The Aviator.

I’ve always had a distaste for those kinds of films—it's exactly why I have a bias against American Gangster.
wearytinker8 wearytinker8 Active Member
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#47 ·
Does anyone actually have a real explanation for why De Niro and Al Pacino are constantly lumped together as the greatest actors in history? It’s like they’re always being compared to The Beatles and The Rolling Stones... just two massive pillars that people can't stop pitting against each other. And then there was that whole buildup for their scenes in Heat... the anticipation was almost unreal. Why does that specific pairing carry so much weight?
Is it because they're Italian, or is it just because they both hit the big time with The Godfather?
Why not go with someone like Robert De Niro and Jack Nicholson instead? I'm not saying they're my absolute favorites or anything... but then again, Nicholson has three Oscars under his belt, while Al Pacino has only managed one...
Please, don't be ridiculous... every single model is going to end up saying "De Niro and Al Pacino."
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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#48 ·
wearytinker8 said:Does anyone actually have a real explanation for why De Niro and Al Pacino are constantly lumped together as the greatest actors in history? It’s like they’re always being compared to The Beatles and The Rolling Stones... just two massive pillars that people can't stop pitting against each other. And then there was that whole buildup for their scenes in Heat... the anticipation was almost unreal. Why does that specific pairing carry so much weight?
Is it because they're Italian, or is it just because they both hit the big time with The Godfather?
Why not go with someone like Robert De Niro and Jack Nicholson instead? I'm not saying they're my absolute favorites or anything... but then again, Nicholson has three Oscars under his belt, while Al Pacino has only managed one...
Please, don't be ridiculous... every single model is going to end up saying "De Niro and Al Pacino."

It's true that "The Godfather" made them famous... but the funny thing is they weren't even in a single scene together until "Heat" became that big exception. You have to admit, that restaurant scene is absolutely brilliant. As for comparing Jack and Al Pacino... I have to agree, they really are similar.
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#49 ·
Carol Lewis said:Unknown... man, you've got that one wrong—I definitely agree that The Aviator is easily Scorsese's worst work, but where on earth are you getting the idea that Gangs of New York is just as bad, maybe even worse? 🤷 I mean, how can you even begin to judge movies you haven't actually sat down and watched?

Oh, and yeah... kind of related to what we were talking about earlier:

It’s not even a judgment, just a gut feeling. I don't mind Leonardo DiCaprio (who was actually pretty solid in The Departed), and I don't mind Cameron Diaz either. What bugs me is that "screaming for an Oscar" vibe—exactly like redowl90 said. If I had sat through the whole movie, I probably would've ended up writing even harsher reviews... so...

It’s just a gut feeling. You know that vibe when you watch a trailer and get that sinking sensation—the one that almost never fails you—that the movie is going to suck? That was exactly my premonition after seeing the trailer for 300, and once I actually sat through the whole thing, my initial hunch turned out to be spot on...
Carol Lewis Carol Lewis Active Member
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#50 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:It’s not even a judgment, just a gut feeling. I don't mind Leonardo DiCaprio (who was actually pretty solid in The Departed), and I don't mind Cameron Diaz either. What bugs me is that "screaming for an Oscar" vibe—exactly like redowl90 said. If I had sat through the whole movie, I probably would've ended up writing even harsher reviews... so...

It’s just a gut feeling. You know that vibe when you watch a trailer and get that sinking sensation—the one that almost never fails you—that the movie is going to suck? That was exactly my premonition after seeing the trailer for 300, and once I actually sat through the whole thing, my initial hunch turned out to be spot on...

I'll just say this: Daniel Day-Lewis... if there is any reason at all to sit down and watch this, it's because of him.😉
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#51 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:It’s not even a judgment, just a gut feeling. I don't mind Leonardo DiCaprio (who was actually pretty solid in The Departed), and I don't mind Cameron Diaz either. What bugs me is that "screaming for an Oscar" vibe—exactly like redowl90 said. If I had sat through the whole movie, I probably would've ended up writing even harsher reviews... so...

It’s just a gut feeling. You know that vibe when you watch a trailer and get that sinking sensation—the one that almost never fails you—that the movie is going to suck? That was exactly my premonition after seeing the trailer for 300, and once I actually sat through the whole thing, my initial hunch turned out to be spot on...

Either way, give the movie a watch. It isn't total garbage, but that specific atmosphere (at least for me) always kept me at arm's length. And the ending let me down—I was expecting something more. Something better.
Even so, even with those flaws, it's still better than more than half the other films from that year.
redowl90 redowl90 Regular
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#52 ·
Carol Lewis said:I'll just say this: Daniel Day-Lewis... if there is any reason at all to sit down and watch this, it's because of him.😉

You really have to see There Will Be Blood. If nothing else, watch it just for his performance. 😉
redorca11 redorca11 Member
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#53 ·
Chloe Nguyen said:Even if Robert De Niro had never filmed anything else in his entire life, his performances in Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and even The Godfather would probably be more than enough to cement his status as a true acting legend—especially considering what he did in Raging Bull.

If I had to point out one single shortcoming in his acting toolkit, I suppose it might be his inability to cry on cue. But then again, I guess you can't really hold that against him when Al Pacino struggles with the same thing.

As for Gangs of New York, I don't think it’s a bad movie, though it certainly isn't anything special either. In my humble opinion, if the film had been built around Daniel Day-Lewis and his character rather than the somewhat uninspiring Leonardo DiCaprio, it might have actually been an absolute masterpiece.

I second this. 🙂

Chloe Nguyen said:Even if Robert De Niro had never filmed anything else in his entire life, his performances in Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and even The Godfather would probably be more than enough to cement his status as a true acting legend—especially considering what he did in Raging Bull.

If I had to point out one single shortcoming in his acting toolkit, I suppose it might be his inability to cry on cue. But then again, I guess you can't really hold that against him when Al Pacino struggles with the same thing.

As for Gangs of New York, I don't think it’s a bad movie, though it certainly isn't anything special either. In my humble opinion, if the film had been built around Daniel Day-Lewis and his character rather than the somewhat uninspiring Leonardo DiCaprio, it might have actually been an absolute masterpiece.

Now, hold on just a second—I have to strongly disagree with that take, especially when it comes to Al Pacino. 😉 I am not sure if you have experienced those final few minutes of Dog Afternoon. If you haven't, you are missing out; the performance is incredibly moving. He cries with such raw, devastating conviction that it is impossible to look away. 👍 Those massive, expressive eyes—filled with pure terror, helplessness, and total despair—before they finally overflow with tears that stream down a contorted face, only to see that forehead drop heavily against the hood of a police car. It was just too much. Personally, I’ve never been the type to cry during a movie, but that specific scene (near the end of Empire of the Sun starring Christian Bale) hit me right in the gut. I actually felt a knot tighten in my throat, and my eyes started to well up.
Look, if you want to talk about greatness, we need to discuss *Scent of a Woman*, *Serpico*, that role as *Scarecrow*, and *Angel in America*—and honestly, I could go on forever.

Regarding De Niro, I find myself disagreeing with that assessment as well. While I'll concede that his tearful performances can occasionally veer into being a bit caricatured, his work in The Deer Hunter—specifically that intense Russian roulette scene with Christopher Walken—is absolutely masterfully executed.

And while we are on the subject of those unbelievable crying scenes—I mean, honestly, just look at Brad Pitt’s performance in Seven Years in Tibet, Troy, or Legend of Autumn. It is absolutely staggering. 🤣 I honestly start tearing up from laughing just thinking about that whole situation.
Honestly, Hayden Christensen's performance in Star Wars: Episode II was pretty lackluster. That specific moment where he delivers the line, "I killed them, I killed them all..." just didn't land at all. It was far from great. 😁 I have to say, in *Life as a House*, he delivered a truly convincing performance; he really nailed that role and made it his own. 👍
Kate Torres Kate Torres Member
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#54 ·
wearytinker8 said:Does anyone actually have a real explanation for why De Niro and Al Pacino are constantly lumped together as the greatest actors in history? It’s like they’re always being compared to The Beatles and The Rolling Stones... just two massive pillars that people can't stop pitting against each other. And then there was that whole buildup for their scenes in Heat... the anticipation was almost unreal. Why does that specific pairing carry so much weight?
Is it because they're Italian, or is it just because they both hit the big time with The Godfather?
Why not go with someone like Robert De Niro and Jack Nicholson instead? I'm not saying they're my absolute favorites or anything... but then again, Nicholson has three Oscars under his belt, while Al Pacino has only managed one...
Please, don't be ridiculous... every single model is going to end up saying "De Niro and Al Pacino."

Yeah, partly because of The Godfather, but also because they played those gritty, dangerous types—the mobsters—so perfectly. It’s not necessarily why they're the best, but it's how they gained that cult status with the mainstream audience. About 2.5 years ago, when I started taking movies more seriously, I actually thought Al Pacino was the greatest actor on the planet. I don't even know why 🤷 he just had this charisma, looked tough, had that presence 😎 Since then, I've discovered plenty of other heavyweights. For me, Nicholson is a more complete actor than those two combined.
redorca11 redorca11 Member
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#55 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:Looks like I painted the wrong picture... My take... About De Niro and why he's even being brought up in this thread... I need to set the record straight. Not too long ago, one of the guys here—maybe wearytinker8—started a whole discussion about... Taxi DriverI haven't even really formed a solid opinion on De Niro yet. I’ve sat through maybe 15 of his movies, and for the most part, he hits the mark—most of them being pretty good or even great. I've never had anything negative to say about him, and that hasn't changed... He’s certainly not the first actor to settle into a predictable groove toward the end of his career, and honestly, calling him one-dimensional isn't exactly an insult. A lot of actors work that way, so I don't see why it couldn't be the same for De Niro... Just my two cents... Yeah, that's just how his performance works. Maybe it’s the casting, but who knows... People are probably gonna say something like, "If you don't think De Niro is a transformative actor, just watch..." Awakenings...I can't say I've sat through the whole thing, but I caught a chunk of it... specifically the end, and honestly, it was just...Just the same old pasta...Who says that's actually a bad thing? Not being a transformative actor doesn't mean you're a bad actor; it just means you're the kind of performer destined for more or less the same type of role—and I don't mean "soldier" vs "soldier," I mean the actual essence of the character. It's the same deal with Al Pacino, but... If you ask me... De Niro’s got way more range than people give him credit for...

I have no clue what the deal is with this... Cape Fear...Unknown... Al Pacino... If you ask me... One of the weaker Scorsese films I've seen, and trust me, I've seen plenty... After... The Aviator...And his worst one... but I missed it... Gangs of New York... Which one is probably just as bad, if not worse... The AviatorIf my gut isn't lying to me... before anyone decides to come at me again, they might want to take another look at... boldano...

Most people have that one favorite actor, and then there’s the "best" actor. They aren't always the same person—loving someone doesn't automatically mean you think they're the greatest of all time, and vice versa. I’m betting most of you here count De Niro as a favorite, maybe even the best, but hey, those are just individual takes that eventually turn into a consensus... For me, it’s Tim Roth. He’s my favorite and my pick for the best, all wrapped into one. Can't get much better than that. So what am I supposed to do now? Try to convince the whole world that my opinion is the only right one? Ridiculous...

I feel like we’ve already hit this wall a dozen times before: there is no objective yardstick to measure what’s actually "good" or "bad," especially when it comes to film. So why bother using one? We're basically just throwing our own opinions out there—some people will vibe with them, others won't, and that's really all there is to it. Why try to pin down some absolute standard of quality when it's something so inherently subjective anyway...

As far as I'm concerned, Gangs of New York isn't any better than The Aviator... 🤷 the only saving grace is Daniel Day-Lewis; Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz are quite poor. I am deeply disappointed by this Scorsese-DiCaprio collaboration. The Departed is slightly better than those first two; Matt Damon and Mark Wahlberg both surprised me with how well they handled their roles, and Jack was solid, but DiCaprio, well... 😕 in my view, he tries way too hard in roles that simply don't fit him. All of his dialogue feels so forced and artificial that the end result is practically comedic; he comes across like a kid desperately trying to act like a tough guy or a hardened criminal... he just hasn't clicked for me as an actor.
rapidwolf13 rapidwolf13 NewcomerOP
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#56 ·
Wait, you mean James Hayden? I know he starred alongside De Niro in Once Upon a Time in America, and then passed away from a heroin overdose...
I remember him being a doctor during Vietnam, and then once he got back to the States, he went into acting...

Ohhh, now I see who we're talking about.... My bad on the mix-up. Seriously!
I’m just obsessed with actors of Italian descent: Al Pacino, Robert De Niro,
Chuck Zito, Tony Musante, Armand Asante, James Gandolfini....... there's so many of them!

And did you guys know De Niro once said, "I'm part German, part Irishman, part Italian..."? So much heritage...

Now it all clicks for Greetings, thanks a ton...

I actually watched Taxi Driver in French, and totally caught everything because I'm super active in language classes—I even made a film about my hometown for school. Plus, I helped put together a French music and film magazine... Gotta brag a little if nobody's gonna stop me! And hey, I'm not from America...

It’s so awesome that this thread is blowing up, especially after those first grumpy replies... I started one about music before but it didn't really take off... It's so good to just swap ideas like this...
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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#57 ·
Jerry Martin19 Unknown said:I'd love to hear your thoughts on Robert De Niro's second outing as a director. The Good ShepherdI haven't seen it yet, but I have a hunch it might actually be pretty solid. It feels like it could be better than most of De Niro's work from the last decade or so.

That was a really great movie. It’s just a shame they didn't make better use of Angie's character.
Jerry Martin19 Jerry Martin19 Regular
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#58 ·
In a nudist sense or an acting sense? 🙂
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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#59 ·
Jerry Martin19 said:In a nudist sense or an acting sense? 🙂

You know me... both.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#60 ·
I’m honestly kind of over him at this point—it feels like every new movie he does follows the exact same pattern, using those same old tropes and facial expressions... He and Al Pacino are basically the same story now... They just don't seem to push themselves anymore, they just go through the motions, do the job the old-fashioned way, and call it a day...

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