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coppergardener coppergardener Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I already posted this under "hemorrhoids," but I highly doubt I'll get an answer there anytime soon—so, moderators, please look the other way and let me keep this up as its own thread for a few days (come on, admit it, you've seen much stupider things than this 😁) because I am quite frankly terrified and impatient.

About a week ago, I noticed an external one—I am 99.9% certain it’s a hemorrhoid—about the size of a grape, maybe slightly larger, but irregular in shape; it isn't one of those massive purple things you see in all the medical diagrams. I didn't let my doctor perform a physical exam—I know, I'm being foolish—but it felt awkward since I was dealing with some digestive issues. I suspect it might be due to my digestion (I've had loose stools for about ten years now), and perhaps my muscle tone is weakened because I have suspected Cushing's syndrome. I stay active, I watch what I eat, and I am extremely diligent about hygiene; the only downside is that I'm carrying some extra weight (around 175 lbs at 5'4", but I am going doooown). It doesn't itch, though sometimes there is a slight stinging sensation—or rather, a pulsing feeling—after showering and applying ointment, but perhaps that is just subjective? The sensation isn't alarming, even if I can't help wondering what might come of this. For the first few days, it was painful to the touch, though it's a bit better now. It's embarrassing because my doctor is only available for annual checkups, and since I won't be near my clinic, I likely won't get an exam until early September. So, I have several questions:

-?- Can a hemorrhoid that small actually burst, or bleed? And when it does burst (if it's that tiny), does it get on your clothes? It does, right? And... does that only happen during a bowel movement or when touched, or can it just happen spontaneously?

-?- Could a doctor drain it or something if it is that small? I would love to just be rid of it by autumn... I also have another little swelling, almost like a mosquito bite, and I fear it might grow.

-?- Is it possible for that stinging sensation to be caused by the ingredients in the cream or ointment? Also, does it stain your laundry? I'm using FactSet, and the ingredient list is just overwhelming—I honestly have no idea what half of it means, so I'll have to do some Googling.

-?- If I haven't been examined and therefore don't know for sure if these are just external, should I apply the ointment rectally just to be safe, or can I just apply it to the external area? (I practically scream in disgust at Voltaren gel tubes, let alone those dreadful applicators.)

-?- Does horse chestnut help the veins only when used topically, or does it provide benefits if taken orally as well?

Thank you!
Timothy Morgan38 Timothy Morgan38 Active Member
177 messages
joined Mar 2010
#2 ·
If you aren't dealing with bleeding, itching, or actual pain, I wouldn't mess with too many variables if I were you...

Just try staying consistent with these few things and maybe you'll see some improvement...
- Make sure you wash up after every single bowel movement, no exceptions.
- Ditch the standard soaps; they just dry everything out. Grab an Anthropic cleanser instead...
- Use cool water exclusively... it doesn't have to be ice cold to the point of torture, but cooler is better to help constrict those vessels... just stay away from warm water because that dilates them and makes the hemorrhoids swell up more.
- Stop using that aggressive wiping technique where you "drag" the towel across the skin. Just gently "pat" with the towel until you're dry... if you wipe normally by pulling the paper from bottom to top, you're just causing irritation and stalling the healing process.
- Avoid anything that might "wake them up"—super spicy stuff, overly salty foods, blah blah blah—just stick to whatever keeps your movements regular and soft, at least until this passes.
- Don't strain too hard when you're on the toilet; that just agitates them too.
- If they get inflamed, for heaven's sake, don't take a bath. You might think a bath helps because it numbs the pain, but once you get out, it’s a total disaster... like I said, heat is basically fuel for them.
- Personally, I've had good luck with Dorian cream... it kills the itching, the pain, the stinging, and pretty much everything associated with hemorrhoids... though you should definitely check with your doctor first.
- Try to move around a bit more and stop sitting on hard surfaces for so long.

For three weeks straight, I couldn't catch a break. Couldn't sit, couldn't walk, couldn't lie down... any little movement felt like a sharp, stabbing pain. Mine flared up right after a bath... actually, they were already hurting quite a bit, but I went and sat in a hot tub for about two hours because it felt okay at the time since there was no pain... but once they cooled down... 😱 😱 😱

I had five or six of them, all severely inflamed...

I did exactly what I wrote above... it all started when I switched from FactSet to Dorian because FactSet wasn't doing a damn thing for me...

Then, after just two or three applications of two of the larger ones, they actually ruptured while I was on the toilet... it felt like being stabbed with a knife...

But that was it... the others didn't rupture, they just receded over the course of a month or two... the pain subsided after two or three days so I could function normally again, but the full recession took about a month and a half...

And since then, whenever I feel a little sting or notice sensitivity during wiping, or if I see a bit of swelling, I immediately wash with cold water, stick to the rules I mentioned above for a few days, and that's it... they recede... if there's a stubborn one that won't settle down after a day or two and starts itching or stinging, I apply Dorian two or three times and then it's gone...

I haven't had any major flare-ups since, though they have "woken up" a couple of times after my "sensible diet" (Mexican beans and such)... but I caught it early enough... 👍

And seriously, make washing up after every bathroom trip a way of life, because that's the easiest way to keep them under control... you can't fix them through traditional means... once they show up, those bastards just "hide in the shadows" waiting for the next irritation to strike...

Sometimes even surgery or cauterization doesn't even help...

But to avoid ever needing surgery or cauterization in the first place: wash thoroughly after every movement, always wear clean, fresh cotton underwear, don't sit on cold or hard surfaces, and that's really it...
coppergardener coppergardener Active MemberOP
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joined Jun 2006
#3 ·
Timothy Morgan38 said:If you aren't dealing with bleeding, itching, or actual pain, I wouldn't mess with too many variables if I were you...

Just try staying consistent with these few things and maybe you'll see some improvement...
- Make sure you wash up after every single bowel movement, no exceptions.
- Ditch the standard soaps; they just dry everything out. Grab an Anthropic cleanser instead...
- Use cool water exclusively... it doesn't have to be ice cold to the point of torture, but cooler is better to help constrict those vessels... just stay away from warm water because that dilates them and makes the hemorrhoids swell up more.
- Stop using that aggressive wiping technique where you "drag" the towel across the skin. Just gently "pat" with the towel until you're dry... if you wipe normally by pulling the paper from bottom to top, you're just causing irritation and stalling the healing process.
- Avoid anything that might "wake them up"—super spicy stuff, overly salty foods, blah blah blah—just stick to whatever keeps your movements regular and soft, at least until this passes.
- Don't strain too hard when you're on the toilet; that just agitates them too.
- If they get inflamed, for heaven's sake, don't take a bath. You might think a bath helps because it numbs the pain, but once you get out, it’s a total disaster... like I said, heat is basically fuel for them.
- Personally, I've had good luck with Dorian cream... it kills the itching, the pain, the stinging, and pretty much everything associated with hemorrhoids... though you should definitely check with your doctor first.
- Try to move around a bit more and stop sitting on hard surfaces for so long.

For three weeks straight, I couldn't catch a break. Couldn't sit, couldn't walk, couldn't lie down... any little movement felt like a sharp, stabbing pain. Mine flared up right after a bath... actually, they were already hurting quite a bit, but I went and sat in a hot tub for about two hours because it felt okay at the time since there was no pain... but once they cooled down... 😱 😱 😱

I had five or six of them, all severely inflamed...

I did exactly what I wrote above... it all started when I switched from FactSet to Dorian because FactSet wasn't doing a damn thing for me...

Then, after just two or three applications of two of the larger ones, they actually ruptured while I was on the toilet... it felt like being stabbed with a knife...

But that was it... the others didn't rupture, they just receded over the course of a month or two... the pain subsided after two or three days so I could function normally again, but the full recession took about a month and a half...

And since then, whenever I feel a little sting or notice sensitivity during wiping, or if I see a bit of swelling, I immediately wash with cold water, stick to the rules I mentioned above for a few days, and that's it... they recede... if there's a stubborn one that won't settle down after a day or two and starts itching or stinging, I apply Dorian two or three times and then it's gone...

I haven't had any major flare-ups since, though they have "woken up" a couple of times after my "sensible diet" (Mexican beans and such)... but I caught it early enough... 👍

And seriously, make washing up after every bathroom trip a way of life, because that's the easiest way to keep them under control... you can't fix them through traditional means... once they show up, those bastards just "hide in the shadows" waiting for the next irritation to strike...

Sometimes even surgery or cauterization doesn't even help...

But to avoid ever needing surgery or cauterization in the first place: wash thoroughly after every movement, always wear clean, fresh cotton underwear, don't sit on cold or hard surfaces, and that's really it...

Well, I suppose that covers most of what I know... I didn't exactly start out as an expert on these little pests, but I have finally begun to educate myself—though, curiously enough, everyone seems obsessed with discussing the larger strains! I was actually more concerned about whether these smaller varieties could cause bleeding, and I found myself wondering if I should be applying cream internally—provided, of course, that I even know if I have any internal issues yet? It feels somewhat nonsensical to worry about "internal" matters when there aren't any symptoms present, especially since I haven't had my checkup yet... but then again, I am fairly certain that topical cream won't prevent them from developing in the first place. I couldn't find any clear answers to these specific questions in the original thread, so I decided to pose them here on the forum for further clarification.

Thank you ever so much for such an exhaustive and detailed write-up—truly, I appreciate the effort! And as for those little bastards? Well, I can only hope they drop dead... permanently.😁
Timothy Morgan38 Timothy Morgan38 Active Member
177 messages
joined Mar 2010
#4 ·
coppergardener said:Well, I suppose that covers most of what I know... I didn't exactly start out as an expert on these little pests, but I have finally begun to educate myself—though, curiously enough, everyone seems obsessed with discussing the larger strains! I was actually more concerned about whether these smaller varieties could cause bleeding, and I found myself wondering if I should be applying cream internally—provided, of course, that I even know if I have any internal issues yet? It feels somewhat nonsensical to worry about "internal" matters when there aren't any symptoms present, especially since I haven't had my checkup yet... but then again, I am fairly certain that topical cream won't prevent them from developing in the first place. I couldn't find any clear answers to these specific questions in the original thread, so I decided to pose them here on the forum for further clarification.

Thank you ever so much for such an exhaustive and detailed write-up—truly, I appreciate the effort! And as for those little bastards? Well, I can only hope they drop dead... permanently.😁

Don't apply it internally unless you're actually having problems... Sure, internal ones are harder to get rid of and tougher to notice unless they're really flared up, but "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"...
coppergardener coppergardener Active MemberOP
137 messages
joined Jun 2006
#5 ·
Timothy Morgan38 said:Don't apply it internally unless you're actually having problems... Sure, internal ones are harder to get rid of and tougher to notice unless they're really flared up, but "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"...

Alright, thanks for the input! :brisesacelakapljicehladnogznojaodolaksanja:
Douglas Diaz2 Douglas Diaz2 Member
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joined Apr 2008
#6 ·
I mean, if there's one thing I've learned from my own personal struggles, it’s that the absolute most important thing is making sure you aren't dealing with hard stools, because that just makes everything so much worse. In my experience—and I really think this helps—the best way to keep things moving smoothly is to start your day with some whole grains paired with milk, though I've found that using soy or oat milk might be a bit gentler, even if you do stick to dairy every single morning. If you do this, your movements should stay soft, which hopefully won't irritate those existing hemorrhoids you're dealing with. And honestly, I guess it wouldn't hurt to just cut out all the junk food entirely, like, every single bit of processed nonsense, if you want to see real results.
coppergardener coppergardener Active MemberOP
137 messages
joined Jun 2006
#7 ·
Douglas Diaz2 said:I mean, if there's one thing I've learned from my own personal struggles, it’s that the absolute most important thing is making sure you aren't dealing with hard stools, because that just makes everything so much worse. In my experience—and I really think this helps—the best way to keep things moving smoothly is to start your day with some whole grains paired with milk, though I've found that using soy or oat milk might be a bit gentler, even if you do stick to dairy every single morning. If you do this, your movements should stay soft, which hopefully won't irritate those existing hemorrhoids you're dealing with. And honestly, I guess it wouldn't hurt to just cut out all the junk food entirely, like, every single bit of processed nonsense, if you want to see real results.

😁 I definitely can't afford to have hard stools when I'm trying to... well, I don't even know what I'm doing... but anyway, I've noticed there's this massive misconception that hemorrhoids only affect people dealing with constipation. It’s actually quite the opposite—certain things can trigger them just as easily. For me, dairy is absolutely my number one enemy.
thx anyway!👍
Timothy Morgan38 Timothy Morgan38 Active Member
177 messages
joined Mar 2010
#8 ·
coppergardener said:😁 I definitely can't afford to have hard stools when I'm trying to... well, I don't even know what I'm doing... but anyway, I've noticed there's this massive misconception that hemorrhoids only affect people dealing with constipation. It’s actually quite the opposite—certain things can trigger them just as easily. For me, dairy is absolutely my number one enemy.
thx anyway!👍

I'm with you on that...

Diarrhea can be just as bad for hemorrhoids as constipation...

The only thing that matters is that if you're stuck dealing with hemorrhoids, you try to keep things soft. Less straining, less pain, just trying to get the job done...

But if you're looking to trigger an episode, diarrhea is basically built for it.👎 👎

Especially if it hits you so hard you're running to the bathroom three times in two hours...
Frank Nguyen4 Frank Nguyen4 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2007
#9 ·
So, how exactly does Dorian manage to "suck" hemorrhoids back in?😕
I mean, I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing them just popping right back out or rupturing after using it, either.
Timothy Morgan38 Timothy Morgan38 Active Member
177 messages
joined Mar 2010
#10 ·
Frank Nguyen4 said:So, how exactly does Dorian manage to "suck" hemorrhoids back in?😕
I mean, I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing them just popping right back out or rupturing after using it, either.

So, you want me to perform a physical exam on your backside????😁 😁 😁

I can't speak for everyone else, I'm just talking about my own experience...

Two of them actually ruptured—it felt like someone took a knife to me—but the others just receded, and I haven't had an issue since...

I mean, they’re probably still there, technically, but they aren't swollen or palpable anymore. They've been dormant for a few years now...
Frank Nguyen4 Frank Nguyen4 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2007
#11 ·
Timothy Morgan38 said:So, you want me to perform a physical exam on your backside????😁 😁 😁

I can't speak for everyone else, I'm just talking about my own experience...

Two of them actually ruptured—it felt like someone took a knife to me—but the others just receded, and I haven't had an issue since...

I mean, they’re probably still there, technically, but they aren't swollen or palpable anymore. They've been dormant for a few years now...

I'll take your word for it 🙏
Arthur Mendoza5 Arthur Mendoza5 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#12 ·
So I’ve been scrolling through this entire thread, reading every single thing anyone has posted, and honestly, I’m just sitting here scratching my head wondering how on earth I ended up with this little "bump." My diet is supposedly textbook—I eat nothing but clean, healthy stuff, always starting the day with some oats or fruit, and I stick to oat, rice, or soy milk instead of dairy. It’s mostly just veggies and fish for me; I don't even touch meat. The only things I really season with are sea salt, olive oil, and maybe some parsley.
Basically, I’d feel this sensation popping up every now and then, but it would just vanish. Yesterday was the first time it actually hurt, or well, more like I could just definitely feel it there, but after reading all your experiences, I realized my situation isn't quite the same as yours. It isn't purple, it doesn't itch, it doesn't sting, and there's no bleeding involved.
I just stepped out of the bathroom, and thank god, everything went smoothly and was totally normal, and once I was done, that "bump" feeling just... disappeared!! So now what? Was that actually a hemorrhoid or is it something else entirely??
Because right now, I'm just sitting here and feeling absolutely nothing. Should I still be proactive about it though, like using that Anthropic soap or maybe some kind of cream, you know?
Arthur Mendoza5 Arthur Mendoza5 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#13 ·
Oh, I totally forgot to mention—I see Timothy Morgan38 is chiming in on that too, but honestly, I was dealing with some pretty nasty stomach issues last week, just a constant bout of diarrhea because there’s this bug going around right now and it feels like everyone in the country is catching it.
Even before this, I used to get hit with it occasionally, especially after a heavy night of drinking, but nothing ever felt quite like this.
Arthur Mendoza5 Arthur Mendoza5 Member
19 messages
joined Apr 2007
#14 ·
Oh man, you guys aren't going to believe this, but a new pimple popped up immediately, and it’s the exact same size, shape, and color as the one from yesterday. It’s just skin-colored, too—no redness, no blue tint, nothing.
God, what a total disaster, what am I even supposed to do now? I can't bring myself to go see a doctor because the checkups at these clinics are absolutely pathetic, and honestly, I just don't have the energy for an exam like that.
Timothy Morgan38 Timothy Morgan38 Active Member
177 messages
joined Mar 2010
#15 ·
Arthur Mendoza5 said:Oh, I totally forgot to mention—I see Timothy Morgan38 is chiming in on that too, but honestly, I was dealing with some pretty nasty stomach issues last week, just a constant bout of diarrhea because there’s this bug going around right now and it feels like everyone in the country is catching it.
Even before this, I used to get hit with it occasionally, especially after a heavy night of drinking, but nothing ever felt quite like this.

Don't stress too much about the breakout...

I dealt with one myself and the damn thing just wouldn't budge... stayed there for a month without any real issues... no pain, no stinging, just an occasional itch after showering...

Then, out of nowhere, it just vanished... it started shrinking and then it was gone...

In my case, it popped up right after a bout of diarrhea lasting a few days... and it wasn't even the first time... interestingly enough, it always shows up in the exact same spot...
Arthur Mendoza5 Arthur Mendoza5 Member
19 messages
joined Apr 2007
#16 ·
Yeah, yeah, it’s still in the exact same spot and honestly, it's driving me up the wall. I’m gonna swing by a CVS or something in a bit to grab some over-the-counter stuff and see if that helps. But man, I’m genuinely stressing out here because it doesn't even itch, or sting, or change color or anything—it just looks like normal skin, though it feels a little weird, which is annoying enough. And let's be real, my pain tolerance is basically non-existent, so even the slightest discomfort feels like a massive deal to me.
coppergardener coppergardener Active MemberOP
137 messages
joined Jun 2006
#17 ·
Just wanted to share a little victory lap... it's finally goooooneeeeee! Okay... okay... I still have my two little ones... but they're currently hibernating...

So, I was actually under the impression that my doctor would be referring me out to a specialist—you know, a proctologist—but no!!! He insists on performing that rectal exam himself... honestly... I think I would feel much more at ease seeing a specialist, since, well, that’s their actual area of expertise, isn't it? And now what... when I head back for my next appointment, I'll have to settle for that incredibly uncomfortable exam table of his just to deal with the whole finger-in-the-prep thing again... a damn.😠 I know, I know... there are certainly worse things in this life, but I really am not looking forward to it...
Raymond Jackson38 Raymond Jackson38 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Aug 2007
#18 ·
must have a pretty nice ass if the GP decided to go digging in there himself. usually, they leave that kind of work to the surgeons and specialists😘
swiftscout8 swiftscout8 Active Member
87 messages
joined Apr 2007
#19 ·
I dealt with them over a decade ago. Had two or three external ones. For me, they were almost always triggered by constipation. Hygiene is key here, and I agree with what was said—use cold water when washing up. Nowadays, they mostly stay dormant. Even though I spend a lot of time sitting at my desk, I don't run into major issues. Just be careful about your diet; avoid anything that tends to cause hard stools.
coppergardener coppergardener Active MemberOP
137 messages
joined Jun 2006
#20 ·
Raymond Jackson38 said:must have a pretty nice ass if the GP decided to go digging in there himself. usually, they leave that kind of work to the surgeons and specialists😘

It has increased.

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