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Sunshine (2007)

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Participants redowl90Larry Martin11Grace King5Jessica RiveraGrace Fisher31Brian Foster2nimblemarlin6Zachary Thompson2Bradley Ramos11Nancy Harris50Edward Fisher9Sarah Lopez6velvetotter10Nicholas Booth58Joshua Stewartlonelynx44Raymond Palmer8Linda Parker2velvetcrane57electriccyclist15rapidviper54Carol LewisJoshua Doyle192Peter Cooper5 …
redowl90 redowl90 RegularOP
287 messages
joined Aug 2005
#1 ·
I caught that new Film by Danny Boyle yesterday, and honestly, I wasn't impressed at all... The first 50 minutes or so were actually decent, but then our favorite Danny managed to mess everything up with those weird directorial "quirks" of his that only he seems to get. Plus, the screenplay just goes totally downhill once that killer captain shows up...

Rating: -3
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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joined Feb 2008
#2 ·
...Danny Boyle's main issue—and look, he’s a charming enough director, even if his movies personally feel like a weird mashup of a music video and a live-action video game (which isn't necessarily a bad thing—just look at Trainspotting—but it can be, like with The Beach)—isn't actually himself. It's Alex Garland pulling the strings as the screenwriter. Once we get him out of the equation, maybe we'll finally get a truly moving Film again.🙂
Grace King5 Grace King5 Newcomer
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#3 ·
...it’s basically like getting two movies for the price of one!

I honestly get the feeling the director passed away halfway through production, forcing them to grab someone else to step in and finish the job using their own ideas...

But look, being totally honest here, it isn't a bad movie. It just hurts because it had so much potential to be great, and it missed the mark slightly.

The setting is the near future. Humanity is facing extinction because the Sun is dying. As the light and heat fade away, the entire Earth gets swallowed by ice and snow.

Humanity's last shot is a spacecraft called Icarus II. They have a crew of eight astronauts and a massive bomb—think Manhattan Project scale—designed to jumpstart the Sun back to life.

It sounds ridiculous. You expect Bruce Willis to be in there trying to restart the Sun with his bare teeth... but surprisingly, despite the premise, the movie feels grounded and builds a fantastic atmosphere. The opening actually feels very much like 2001: A Space Odyssey.

However, the pacing shifts abruptly once the Icarus II crew picks up a signal from the predecessor, Icarus Part I. The first half is a pure odyssey, then it pivots into a thriller, and by the end, it turns into some weird, newly-invented sci-fi horror that’s only missing Vin Diesel.

It's worth watching just for that first act and for Cillian Murphy, who is excellent. Maybe they were just trying to please everyone—giving the Fast and Furious fans some action at the end after they probably got bored during the first half. 🙂
Jessica Rivera Jessica Rivera Member
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joined Nov 2009
#4 ·
This thread already exists 😉

But honestly, I'll vouch for it just because of how "Part I" plays out—it's actually worth the watch until that captain/killer character shows up. Once he steps on screen, the whole Film just turns into a total joke.
Grace King5 Grace King5 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Well, this is what happens when I skim the first two pages of the forum and realize there's absolutely no way this thread is buried deeper somewhere else..

Maybe some well-meaning moderator will eventually decide to merge them all into one 🙂
Grace Fisher31 Grace Fisher31 Member
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joined Oct 2006
#6 ·
The Film is complete trash, yet I enjoyed it. The only downside was the massive migraine I suffered after leaving the theater, since the Sun flashes through the darkness every five minutes.😬
Brian Foster2 Brian Foster2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2007
#7 ·
Honestly, it gave me a massive headache too, but what a fantastic Film! 😬
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#8 ·
Great Film, honestly blew me away. It’s been ages since I sat down for a serious space flick—it really hit the spot. This is easily the best sci-fi space movie out there lately... actually, looking back, I can't even think of any other hard sci-fi set in Space from recent years. (Haven't seen Tarkovsky's Solaris.) Even that final stretch (SPOILER) involving Captain Freddy Krueger—which some people seem to think was a bit clunky or forced—I thought worked perfectly fine within the flow. Giving this Film top marks.

That last scene felt totally unnecessary. Honestly, it would have been much stronger if the whole plot about saving Earth wasn't even there.
Zachary Thompson2 Zachary Thompson2 Member
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joined Apr 2005
#9 ·
This Film is completely pointless. It lacks any sense of identity; it feels like every single scene was ripped off from somewhere else. It’s just a messy mashup of Solaris, Odyssey, Alien, and Event Horizon... If the goal was to make something psychological like Solaris, why end it with a captain losing his mind? If they were aiming for an action thriller, why waste the first hour with slow pacing and pretty shots of the Sun? My gut feeling is that after watching the first hour, they realized they had nowhere to go, so they just tossed an "eighth passenger" onto the ship to slaughter the entire crew. Real original. 😁
Bradley Ramos11 Bradley Ramos11 Active Member
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#10 ·
The Film is a total failure in terms of the script. How did the captain of the first Icarus lose his mind? What actually happened to that initial crew? To quote Zachary Thompson2: "I get the feeling that after watching the first hour, they realized the story was going nowhere, so they just decided to throw an 'eighth passenger' onto the ship to slaughter the rest of the crew. How original."
Nancy Harris50 Nancy Harris50 Member
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joined Mar 2005
#11 ·
Honestly, anyone who actually knows their way around astrophysics has to admit that the core concept is so fundamentally nonsensical it gives you a literal headache...
Edward Fisher9 Edward Fisher9 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#12 ·
I suppose I just fell for Capa,

though I guess the Film itself isn't actually half bad.
It’s almost a relief that we can see exactly where things went sideways and who actually messed up,
instead of some vague nonsense about a quantum-whatever engine failing or our healing device breaking down for some random sheep.
Oh no, what on earth are we going to do now?
Sarah Lopez6 Sarah Lopez6 Member
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joined Mar 2007
#13 ·
Bradley Ramos11 said:The Film is a total failure in terms of the script. How did the captain of the first Icarus lose his mind? What actually happened to that initial crew? To quote Zachary Thompson2: "I get the feeling that after watching the first hour, they realized the story was going nowhere, so they just decided to throw an 'eighth passenger' onto the ship to slaughter the rest of the crew. How original."

That was pretty much my vibe after finishing this thing...
ended up being some total Event Horizon rip-off 😕
anyway 👎
velvetotter10 velvetotter10 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#14 ·
I think this Film is absolutely brilliant. Garland wrote a script that isn't exactly easy to grasp on the first pass—it’s dense—but everything clicks perfectly into place once you start analyzing the visual and auditory cues woven throughout the entire story.

SPOILER

The reason the first Icarus veered off course is because the captain—Pinbacker, the guy we see at the end—murdered his entire crew. Why? The answer is actually quite simple: he wanted to reach God. That captain is essentially a personification of humanity's drive toward perfection, just... taken to a terrifying, warped extreme. He was given a mission to save mankind, but in his flawed, very human reasoning, he drifted too far from the concept of humanism. He realized that by *not* saving Earth, he would remain the last living human ever. The systems onboard Icarus I allowed him to pull this off, so he did it. It was all part of his plan to reach Godly perfection as the final man in Space. He didn't care about the welfare of the species; he wanted to sacrifice humanity for his own sake. He shut down the computers, killed his crew, and began living in isolation, just waiting. Time and the cooling Sun, which is effectively killing off humanity, were working in his favor.

Since he clearly expected a follow-up mission to arrive, he set a beacon, calculating that human nature would inevitably draw that next mission off its intended path. And that’s exactly what happened. When Icarus II attempted to rendezvous with Icarus I, it was Pinbacker who forced them apart. He murdered Trey and carried his madness over to Icarus II.

The psychologist on Icarus II serves as the perfect foil to Pinbacker. Searle is a man who has stared into the greatness of the Sun and realized the insignificance of an individual, yet he managed to hold onto his humanism. He understands the vital importance of the individual when faced with the vastness of Space, infinite energy, and the necessity of saving everyone. He and the captain are two sides of the same coin. This is why he chooses to sacrifice himself for humanity and surrender himself to God.

Then there's the young physicist, Capa—the most crucial character in the whole thing. He is a truly Jesus-like figure. The tropes are laid out from the beginning, though they don't fully coalesce until the end—the blue eyes, the stubble, the hair. His courage is constantly being questioned, yet there's no doubt that his role in the mission is the most significant. Even if there are more dominant or visible personalities around him, it's clear from the start that Captain Kane is the only one who truly recognizes his importance. By the end of the Film, everyone else finally catches up.

In the final moments, it’s just him, Cassie, and Pinbacker left on the module. After space and time warp during the acceleration into the core of the Sun—which explains the shifting dimensions and the axis flip on the module itself—Capa initiates fission. This is where the internal logic of the Film reaches its peak: it shows that the conscious sacrifice of a pure soul is the only path to Godly providence. When you have the God-created energy of the solar flare flooding the module meeting the man-made power of atoms ready to split, Capa stands right between those two forces, momentarily transcending existence itself. In that instant, he realizes that God is with him, rewarding his willingness to open his heart and sacrifice everything to save humanity. He reaches toward God, steps into the light, and that's it.

For me, the Film is genuinely great, specifically because of the storytelling. It’s just a shame that certain parts felt rushed; I honestly think a Director's Cut would have fixed quite a lot of that. And yeah, it's a pity a story this good wasn't handled by a different director.
Nicholas Booth58 Nicholas Booth58 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#15 ·
Kudos to velvetotter10, you gave the Film a whole new dimension that totally slipped past me. You actually connected dots the director missed. Now I’m thinking about giving it another watch with my eyes wide open. 🙂
nimblemarlin6 nimblemarlin6 Active Member
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#16 ·
velvetotter10: 👍
Regarding Pinbacker... I never really looked at him as some major character—more like... what? In the Film, he’s presented as this almost non-material threat; you never actually see him clearly, and even when you do, the camera intentionally distorts his image... What was the goal there? ...
Joshua Stewart Joshua Stewart Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#17 ·
Man, I’ve been dying to catch this Film ever since I saw the trailer at the premiere of 300. It’s probably still playing in theaters—I haven't seen any decent digital rips popping up online yet. I actually watched some of the behind-the-scenes footage from the shoot, and honestly? It doesn't look half bad at all.
lonelynx44 lonelynx44 Member
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joined Dec 2009
#18 ·
hmm... honestly? I was left totally stunned by the end... idk, I still don't even know if I actually liked it or not... just have this weird feeling about it. Like, there's way too much filler—scenes that don't need to be there, stuff that just drags—and I'm just stuck. But then again, it feels like a precursor to something bigger... it's got that vibe. It’s this wild mix of genres. In a way, it's almost an art film, I guess? It hooks you without being some cheap, forced rip-off—not like Shadow Boxer (👎 which is honestly disgusting, don't watch it, seriously!!!😵 🙂 😵)—it has its own unique rhythm that keeps you interested. Plus, it's sci-fi, and like, REALLY good sci-fi, mixed with a thriller. The only part where it misses is the horror element... I don't know, that captain guy just felt... off? I couldn't get past him. And that scene where the woman finds that little "child" flower? Totally unnecessary. That was the only part that felt super fake to me, and I mean *super* fake!!! So yeah, whatever... I'm just confused... damn...

anyway, I'd recommend the Film to everyone regardless of what they usually watch. It's one of those movies where you really have to judge for yourself instead of relying on what others say... for example, I can usually tell if a few people will like a movie or not without even trying, but this one? No clue!!! Super weird. 😕
redowl90 redowl90 RegularOP
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joined Aug 2005
#19 ·
Here is how Dragan Rubeša, a journalist for The New List, puts it:

"...and the mission requires a healthy dose of altruism mixed with a touch of nihilism, all while maintaining a fairly coherent allegory!"

Reviewing the Sunshine DVD. It’s terrible, just plain terrible.
Raymond Palmer8 Raymond Palmer8 Active Member
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joined Jul 2006
#20 ·
Nancy Harris50 said:Honestly, anyone who actually knows their way around astrophysics has to admit that the core concept is so fundamentally nonsensical it gives you a literal headache...

Look, I don't know the first thing about astrophysics—but honestly, after thinking about it for like two seconds, the premise was so goofy it totally killed the whole Film for me...

The only thing that actually stuck was those gorgeous shots of the Sun... though even those felt kind of repetitive—just constant peeking out from behind... whatever...

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