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Sean Allen76 Sean Allen76 Member
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#41 ·
What a bunch of nitpicking.
If you actually feel like watching a movie, just go pay your $5 and enjoy yourselves.
In five days, you'll still be thinking about it.
I’m planning on heading back this Thursday if there's a screening.
Honestly, I'm going just to see the acting—it's a guaranteed Oscar winner.
Plus, there's Locomotiona, that Lynch's ghost of love vibe, Beck's black tambourine, and Nina Simone's "Sinner Man" at the end on the soundtrack.
When it first ended, I wasn't feeling it, but after discussing it here on the forum, it grew on me. Now? It's easily one of my favorites ever.
That's just how it goes.
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active MemberOP
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#42 ·
Sean Allen76 said:What a bunch of nitpicking.
If you actually feel like watching a movie, just go pay your $5 and enjoy yourselves.
In five days, you'll still be thinking about it.
I’m planning on heading back this Thursday if there's a screening.
Honestly, I'm going just to see the acting—it's a guaranteed Oscar winner.
Plus, there's Locomotiona, that Lynch's ghost of love vibe, Beck's black tambourine, and Nina Simone's "Sinner Man" at the end on the soundtrack.
When it first ended, I wasn't feeling it, but after discussing it here on the forum, it grew on me. Now? It's easily one of my favorites ever.
That's just how it goes.

Not really. That was actually put quite well.
placidlynx23 said:@ Kyle Watson8 - when you try to reply to someone else's post just to condescendingly call out their "pretentious" version of the "truth," it would be nice if you actually wrote something with a shred of substance.

@ coastalbison47 - the thing is, this "meaning" you're talking about, the way your post implies it works, is a totally secondary concern in Lynchian films. You really should have caught that from the book; it shows perfectly how he experiences film as such a thing and where his art actually originates. There’s simply no room for "rational meaning" here. That kind of meaning is the only kind that can be "uncovered," "deconstructed," or "analyzed." Whether you meant that as a critique or a compliment is irrelevant—it's equally misguided either way.

@ Drew White - I know there are thousands of ignorant idiots every single day—people who don't realize they're ignorant, because if they did, they wouldn't be (it's a paradox, really)—who blather on about Lynch's supposed "self-indulgence," "art for art's sake," or "empty aesthetics." Why shouldn't they do it here too? We live in a democracy, after all. Anyone can babble about anything. It's our right.

Regarding Manzoni, your dear professor probably should have explained the actual function behind him packaging up his own crap, labeling it "artist's shit," and selling it. Otherwise, you might end up one day confusing the two and mixing up this school of aesthetic thought—this way of thinking about the existence or function of an artwork—with an artist for whom even the concept of a "work" is largely foreign.

And if I could actually "explain" to you why I "liked Inland Empire so much," then Lynch wouldn't be Lynch, and you probably wouldn't be you.

As for the whole "all" Lynch films thing—yes, all of them, including Wild at Heart. Just because some of his movies have a strong narrative doesn't mean they were created from a different headspace than the ones that don't. They weren't.

It’d probably be best to just start the thread with the movie title and leave the body totally blank. That’s all we really need.
Drew White Drew White Member
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#43 ·
placidlynx23 said:@ Kyle Watson8 - when you try to reply to someone else's post just to condescendingly call out their "pretentious" version of the "truth," it would be nice if you actually wrote something with a shred of substance.

@ coastalbison47 - the thing is, this "meaning" you're talking about, the way your post implies it works, is a totally secondary concern in Lynchian films. You really should have caught that from the book; it shows perfectly how he experiences film as such a thing and where his art actually originates. There’s simply no room for "rational meaning" here. That kind of meaning is the only kind that can be "uncovered," "deconstructed," or "analyzed." Whether you meant that as a critique or a compliment is irrelevant—it's equally misguided either way.

@ Drew White - I know there are thousands of ignorant idiots every single day—people who don't realize they're ignorant, because if they did, they wouldn't be (it's a paradox, really)—who blather on about Lynch's supposed "self-indulgence," "art for art's sake," or "empty aesthetics." Why shouldn't they do it here too? We live in a democracy, after all. Anyone can babble about anything. It's our right.

Regarding Manzoni, your dear professor probably should have explained the actual function behind him packaging up his own crap, labeling it "artist's shit," and selling it. Otherwise, you might end up one day confusing the two and mixing up this school of aesthetic thought—this way of thinking about the existence or function of an artwork—with an artist for whom even the concept of a "work" is largely foreign.

And if I could actually "explain" to you why I "liked Inland Empire so much," then Lynch wouldn't be Lynch, and you probably wouldn't be you.

As for the whole "all" Lynch films thing—yes, all of them, including Wild at Heart. Just because some of his movies have a strong narrative doesn't mean they were created from a different headspace than the ones that don't. They weren't.

I understand his performance perfectly well. Thank you.

placidlynx23 said:@ Kyle Watson8 - when you try to reply to someone else's post just to condescendingly call out their "pretentious" version of the "truth," it would be nice if you actually wrote something with a shred of substance.

@ coastalbison47 - the thing is, this "meaning" you're talking about, the way your post implies it works, is a totally secondary concern in Lynchian films. You really should have caught that from the book; it shows perfectly how he experiences film as such a thing and where his art actually originates. There’s simply no room for "rational meaning" here. That kind of meaning is the only kind that can be "uncovered," "deconstructed," or "analyzed." Whether you meant that as a critique or a compliment is irrelevant—it's equally misguided either way.

@ Drew White - I know there are thousands of ignorant idiots every single day—people who don't realize they're ignorant, because if they did, they wouldn't be (it's a paradox, really)—who blather on about Lynch's supposed "self-indulgence," "art for art's sake," or "empty aesthetics." Why shouldn't they do it here too? We live in a democracy, after all. Anyone can babble about anything. It's our right.

Regarding Manzoni, your dear professor probably should have explained the actual function behind him packaging up his own crap, labeling it "artist's shit," and selling it. Otherwise, you might end up one day confusing the two and mixing up this school of aesthetic thought—this way of thinking about the existence or function of an artwork—with an artist for whom even the concept of a "work" is largely foreign.

And if I could actually "explain" to you why I "liked Inland Empire so much," then Lynch wouldn't be Lynch, and you probably wouldn't be you.

As for the whole "all" Lynch films thing—yes, all of them, including Wild at Heart. Just because some of his movies have a strong narrative doesn't mean they were created from a different headspace than the ones that don't. They weren't.

Look, I'm not asking you to give me a guided tour of Lynch's entire psyche. My point is that you should actually write something about the film itself, since that’s what this topic is supposed to be about.

placidlynx23 said:@ Kyle Watson8 - when you try to reply to someone else's post just to condescendingly call out their "pretentious" version of the "truth," it would be nice if you actually wrote something with a shred of substance.

@ coastalbison47 - the thing is, this "meaning" you're talking about, the way your post implies it works, is a totally secondary concern in Lynchian films. You really should have caught that from the book; it shows perfectly how he experiences film as such a thing and where his art actually originates. There’s simply no room for "rational meaning" here. That kind of meaning is the only kind that can be "uncovered," "deconstructed," or "analyzed." Whether you meant that as a critique or a compliment is irrelevant—it's equally misguided either way.

@ Drew White - I know there are thousands of ignorant idiots every single day—people who don't realize they're ignorant, because if they did, they wouldn't be (it's a paradox, really)—who blather on about Lynch's supposed "self-indulgence," "art for art's sake," or "empty aesthetics." Why shouldn't they do it here too? We live in a democracy, after all. Anyone can babble about anything. It's our right.

Regarding Manzoni, your dear professor probably should have explained the actual function behind him packaging up his own crap, labeling it "artist's shit," and selling it. Otherwise, you might end up one day confusing the two and mixing up this school of aesthetic thought—this way of thinking about the existence or function of an artwork—with an artist for whom even the concept of a "work" is largely foreign.

And if I could actually "explain" to you why I "liked Inland Empire so much," then Lynch wouldn't be Lynch, and you probably wouldn't be you.

As for the whole "all" Lynch films thing—yes, all of them, including Wild at Heart. Just because some of his movies have a strong narrative doesn't mean they were created from a different headspace than the ones that don't. They weren't.

🤣 So, you're suggesting Lynch hasn't changed a bit in forty years? Fair enough. He’s always been obsessed with that same surrealist frequency. But what's your take on Dino? 👍
quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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#44 ·
northerncrane4 said:You're barking up the wrong tree, genius.

I guess "You're humping the wrong leg, genius" would be a bit more accurate, maybe.
Larry Martin11 Larry Martin11 Active Member
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#45 ·
...placidlynx23, take a breather, will you? We're actually trying to have a civil discussion here.

...thanks 🙂
placidlynx23 placidlynx23 Member
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#46 ·
Larry Martin11 said:...placidlynx23, take a breather, will you? We're actually trying to have a civil discussion here.

...thanks 🙂

This is fantastic. I see about one person here actually making an argument. Most people just toss out clichés, some try to be funny, but it's all hollow anyway. Who's being called out? Haha, please tell me you're the moderator; if so, the absurdity of this place reaches its peak.

@ Drew White - you either don't get Mann's work or you don't get David Lynch, because otherwise, there's no way you could even attempt to compare the two like you just did. Honestly, I'd say you just don't get Mann. Even the most... average guy (is that enough for P. C. xavierkat?) would realize that Lynch doesn't have any "merit" leanings, nor does he approach art from an external perspective, acting like some sociologist or philosopher hiding behind an artist's echoes.

And yeah, Lynch hasn't changed. Not once in the last 40 years. Maybe he's gone deeper into what he already was, but he hasn't changed at all. That's actually one of the reasons I admire him—it's incredibly rare. As for Dune—I really don't follow your logic there. Are you saying he naively and carelessly jumped into a project where he didn't have the "final cut" (and being naive is one of his defining traits regardless)? That Dune is different from his other films? Or that he isn't satisfied with having made Dune (again, because he lacked the final cut)?
Kyle Watson8 Kyle Watson8 Member
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#47 ·
I’m honestly saying the same thing: Kyle Watson8 and placidlynx23 really need to stop acting like such total idiots. 🙂

Anyway, here is my take on this, since I can't find a better way to put it:

There is an undeniable, dark energy at play here. Maybe it's just an illusion, maybe it isn't some distinct entity existing outside our own minds—though if you ask me, watching those kids on their motorcycles... 😲 even if it is just an illusion, it’s so persistent that it practically screams for a deeper explanation. Is that what Lynch was chasing with this film, searching for the ultimate mystery of life? Did he write a letter straight from "hell"? I don't know if that actually answers any fundamental questions; I won't presume to step in there, because frankly, I failed to grasp the film myself. Regardless, Lynch has crafted something profoundly spiritual, but don't expect enlightenment, because it is inherently evil 😁. I’ve always held the belief that art is the only thing capable of revealing certain facets of life—of the soul, or whatever—that everything else fails to touch. But that relationship hits a wall the moment I become its victim, even if we are talking about the most brilliant film ever made. You can call me a coward if you want, but I call it wisdom 😁
. There are ideas that draw us in, ideas from which we can mostly gain and extract meaning, but in this film, the ideas are presented in a way that actively repels us. The real question, then, is what on earth compelled Lynch to make this film in the first place 😁
Drew White Drew White Member
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#48 ·
@ placidlynx23 - Look, I wasn't actually trying to draw a comparison between these two. I view Manson's performance as a deliberate attempt to mock people and their norms—specifically those who, lacking any real discernment, swallow anything marketed as "high art."
I’d bet money he handled half the film, while Jodorowsky (a man close enough to him yet fundamentally different) wouldn't have understood the other half at all.

Beyond that, I don't see why there's such a desperate scramble to uphold even the most mediocre values. Just because people don't "get" Lynch and choose to bash him for it doesn't mean they're wrong; they have every right to their opinion, even if you happen to be correct. So, let's get real here. What's with the ego trip?

placidlynx23 said:This is fantastic. I see about one person here actually making an argument. Most people just toss out clichés, some try to be funny, but it's all hollow anyway. Who's being called out? Haha, please tell me you're the moderator; if so, the absurdity of this place reaches its peak.

@ Drew White - you either don't get Mann's work or you don't get David Lynch, because otherwise, there's no way you could even attempt to compare the two like you just did. Honestly, I'd say you just don't get Mann. Even the most... average guy (is that enough for P. C. xavierkat?) would realize that Lynch doesn't have any "merit" leanings, nor does he approach art from an external perspective, acting like some sociologist or philosopher hiding behind an artist's echoes.

And yeah, Lynch hasn't changed. Not once in the last 40 years. Maybe he's gone deeper into what he already was, but he hasn't changed at all. That's actually one of the reasons I admire him—it's incredibly rare. As for Dune—I really don't follow your logic there. Are you saying he naively and carelessly jumped into a project where he didn't have the "final cut" (and being naive is one of his defining traits regardless)? That Dune is different from his other films? Or that he isn't satisfied with having made Dune (again, because he lacked the final cut)?

Why does it feel like you're making excuses on his behalf? 🙂
He didn't have the final cut? And how much would that have truly mattered? Would he have stopped the film from hitting theaters?
Look, I don't see anything Lynch-esque in Dune. I don't know why you're trying to lump inner kingdom into the same category as Dune, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#49 ·
Drew White said:@ placidlynx23 - Look, I wasn't actually trying to draw a comparison between these two. I view Manson's performance as a deliberate attempt to mock people and their norms—specifically those who, lacking any real discernment, swallow anything marketed as "high art."
I’d bet money he handled half the film, while Jodorowsky (a man close enough to him yet fundamentally different) wouldn't have understood the other half at all.

Beyond that, I don't see why there's such a desperate scramble to uphold even the most mediocre values. Just because people don't "get" Lynch and choose to bash him for it doesn't mean they're wrong; they have every right to their opinion, even if you happen to be correct. So, let's get real here. What's with the ego trip?

Why does it feel like you're making excuses on his behalf? 🙂
He didn't have the final cut? And how much would that have truly mattered? Would he have stopped the film from hitting theaters?
Look, I don't see anything Lynch-esque in Dune. I don't know why you're trying to lump inner kingdom into the same category as Dune, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

placidlynx23 is Lynch's prophet.
placidlynx23 placidlynx23 Member
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#50 ·
Drew White said:@ placidlynx23 - Look, I wasn't actually trying to draw a comparison between these two. I view Manson's performance as a deliberate attempt to mock people and their norms—specifically those who, lacking any real discernment, swallow anything marketed as "high art."
I’d bet money he handled half the film, while Jodorowsky (a man close enough to him yet fundamentally different) wouldn't have understood the other half at all.

Beyond that, I don't see why there's such a desperate scramble to uphold even the most mediocre values. Just because people don't "get" Lynch and choose to bash him for it doesn't mean they're wrong; they have every right to their opinion, even if you happen to be correct. So, let's get real here. What's with the ego trip?

Why does it feel like you're making excuses on his behalf? 🙂
He didn't have the final cut? And how much would that have truly mattered? Would he have stopped the film from hitting theaters?
Look, I don't see anything Lynch-esque in Dune. I don't know why you're trying to lump inner kingdom into the same category as Dune, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

What would change? Based on what he's said, he'd take those six-plus hours of raw footage and choose a massive amount of shots featuring abstract elements—wind in the desert, waves, abstract architectural shapes—and toss out an equal amount of scenes that are actually "explanatory" or narrative. Generally speaking, he’d focus more on the "world" rather than the "plot" or specific events. But obviously, that version wouldn't draw the kind of audience this one does, which is why the studio dictates exactly what he has to make and how he has to pick it.

A pretty significant difference, huh. Inace, it's interesting that you don't see anything Lynch's in Dune, because even in this compromised version, his touch is more than evident.
Drew White Drew White Member
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#51 ·
placidlynx23 said:What would change? Based on what he's said, he'd take those six-plus hours of raw footage and choose a massive amount of shots featuring abstract elements—wind in the desert, waves, abstract architectural shapes—and toss out an equal amount of scenes that are actually "explanatory" or narrative. Generally speaking, he’d focus more on the "world" rather than the "plot" or specific events. But obviously, that version wouldn't draw the kind of audience this one does, which is why the studio dictates exactly what he has to make and how he has to pick it.

A pretty significant difference, huh. Inace, it's interesting that you don't see anything Lynch's in Dune, because even in this compromised version, his touch is more than evident.

And what would be the payoff? He'd just be more himself, right? A big enigmatic weirdo, whistling in the dark.

placidlynx23 said:What would change? Based on what he's said, he'd take those six-plus hours of raw footage and choose a massive amount of shots featuring abstract elements—wind in the desert, waves, abstract architectural shapes—and toss out an equal amount of scenes that are actually "explanatory" or narrative. Generally speaking, he’d focus more on the "world" rather than the "plot" or specific events. But obviously, that version wouldn't draw the kind of audience this one does, which is why the studio dictates exactly what he has to make and how he has to pick it.

A pretty significant difference, huh. Inace, it's interesting that you don't see anything Lynch's in Dune, because even in this compromised version, his touch is more than evident.

Man, give us something concrete for once.
quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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#52 ·
placidlynx23 said:What would change? Based on what he's said, he'd take those six-plus hours of raw footage and choose a massive amount of shots featuring abstract elements—wind in the desert, waves, abstract architectural shapes—and toss out an equal amount of scenes that are actually "explanatory" or narrative. Generally speaking, he’d focus more on the "world" rather than the "plot" or specific events. But obviously, that version wouldn't draw the kind of audience this one does, which is why the studio dictates exactly what he has to make and how he has to pick it.

A pretty significant difference, huh. Inace, it's interesting that you don't see anything Lynch's in Dune, because even in this compromised version, his touch is more than evident.


And you think being jerked around like that would be okay? And I don't mean just any random messing around, but getting played with regarding someone else's magnum opus. I mean, would that even be fair to Frank Herbert and his fans?
quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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#53 ·
Kyle Watson8 said:I’m honestly saying the same thing: Kyle Watson8 and placidlynx23 really need to stop acting like such total idiots. 🙂

Anyway, here is my take on this, since I can't find a better way to put it:

There is an undeniable, dark energy at play here. Maybe it's just an illusion, maybe it isn't some distinct entity existing outside our own minds—though if you ask me, watching those kids on their motorcycles... 😲 even if it is just an illusion, it’s so persistent that it practically screams for a deeper explanation. Is that what Lynch was chasing with this film, searching for the ultimate mystery of life? Did he write a letter straight from "hell"? I don't know if that actually answers any fundamental questions; I won't presume to step in there, because frankly, I failed to grasp the film myself. Regardless, Lynch has crafted something profoundly spiritual, but don't expect enlightenment, because it is inherently evil 😁. I’ve always held the belief that art is the only thing capable of revealing certain facets of life—of the soul, or whatever—that everything else fails to touch. But that relationship hits a wall the moment I become its victim, even if we are talking about the most brilliant film ever made. You can call me a coward if you want, but I call it wisdom 😁
. There are ideas that draw us in, ideas from which we can mostly gain and extract meaning, but in this film, the ideas are presented in a way that actively repels us. The real question, then, is what on earth compelled Lynch to make this film in the first place 😁

I don't think I've ever seen a piece of art that felt truly evil. Maybe it's because, you know, art comes from the soul, so the assumption is that it can't be malicious... so, yeah, I guess I really need to see this film😬
Jason Gonzalez7 Jason Gonzalez7 Member
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#54 ·
Jessica Nguyen85 said:I see three distinct categories of cinema. First, there’s the standard fare we all know—beginning, middle, end. It’s the typical product churned out whether you're in the US, Europe, or Asia. The mold is always the same. Then you have the experimenters, where the most significant representative of the genre is Peter Greenaway. He argues that standard movies are essentially just "illustrated text," so he crafts these incredibly lush visual escapades disguised as high art. These standard films remind me of sitting in a train compartment, trying to make sense of the scenery passing by, but it’s impossible because the train is flying past; before your synapses can even fire, your station arrives and you're gone. Greenaway’s films feel somewhat similar, except it feels like the train is just idling and refuses to move. Not even a nudge. Not even God will move it. Then, right in the middle, there’s Mr. Lynch. With him, the train moves at a specific speed and rhythm where everything feels perfectly aligned. And the best part? You barely understand what's happening, yet you're enjoying it. You know you're having a good time, but you don't give a damn why. It doesn't matter. You're doing fine, and you don't want it to stop. You just want "your" station to cease to exist.

Inland Empire is everything Lynch is, and everything we've come to expect from him. And yet, it’s something totally new and bizarre. There is so much to process that I don't think I'll need to watch another movie for at least a year. Or so I thought. Because this film has it all—tragedy, drama, schizophrenia, psychedelia, comedy, and sketches. The way it manipulates montage, space, and time makes Memento look like child's play. It has horror, it has blood, and it has scenes that stay with you forever. Especially that first viewing.

There's really no point discussing the plot, because grasping it would probably require another three viewings and maybe twenty pages of debate on the forum. What actually fascinates me is how he manages to pull 200% out of every single character. And the dialogue... I don't want to sound like a snob, but I have to say... the guy was practically operating the camera himself (looking at the crew listing), and I already have the feeling I know which scenes he shot personally. And finally, the soundtrack is perfection, as usual.

Phenomenal and genius. I guess...

I just watched the film last night. It’s a ride on a dangerous, psychedelic, brutally honest, and broken train—a journey where you truly don't want "your" station to arrive.
I second your entire post.

Speaking of which, the actual plot isn't really the point.
To me, there are four main thematic and symbolic pillars in the film:

1. The dislocation and timelessness of the inner world—diving deep into one's own traumatic psychological web while "acting" (Laura Dern)

2. The question of the third party and betrayal (there is always someone trapped watching those who deceive them, and vice versa; those doing the deceiving are always aware they are being watched)

3. The layers of framing within the story (theater, film, acting in real life versus observation) and the masked nature of the story's origin (the rabbits)

4. Women, and the killing of the "untouchable man in the light" who becomes a woman; women serving as a metaphor for the source of the loop and the curse.

It's all jumbled into a whirlwind of schizophrenic shots without any sense of temporal or narrative order, much like our own inner kingdoms. Actually, the core idea (if we can even call it an idea) is precisely that diving into any story is a CURSE that leads you straight into the sprawling palace of your own inner kingdom. Beautiful and intense.
Of course, I've only seen it once, and I'll probably find a billion more ideas I missed during my next viewings.

And Laura Dern gave a career-defining performance.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#55 ·
Jason Gonzalez7 said:I just watched the film last night. It’s a ride on a dangerous, psychedelic, brutally honest, and broken train—a journey where you truly don't want "your" station to arrive.
I second your entire post.

Speaking of which, the actual plot isn't really the point.
To me, there are four main thematic and symbolic pillars in the film:

1. The dislocation and timelessness of the inner world—diving deep into one's own traumatic psychological web while "acting" (Laura Dern)

2. The question of the third party and betrayal (there is always someone trapped watching those who deceive them, and vice versa; those doing the deceiving are always aware they are being watched)

3. The layers of framing within the story (theater, film, acting in real life versus observation) and the masked nature of the story's origin (the rabbits)

4. Women, and the killing of the "untouchable man in the light" who becomes a woman; women serving as a metaphor for the source of the loop and the curse.

It's all jumbled into a whirlwind of schizophrenic shots without any sense of temporal or narrative order, much like our own inner kingdoms. Actually, the core idea (if we can even call it an idea) is precisely that diving into any story is a CURSE that leads you straight into the sprawling palace of your own inner kingdom. Beautiful and intense.
Of course, I've only seen it once, and I'll probably find a billion more ideas I missed during my next viewings.

And Laura Dern gave a career-defining performance.

Meanwhile—this director is clearly campaigning for her to snag an Oscar.
Jason Gonzalez7 Jason Gonzalez7 Member
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#56 ·
northerncrane4 said:Meanwhile—this director is clearly campaigning for her to snag an Oscar.

And that just goes to show how much he really shakes up the American dairy industry. A great man...
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
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#57 ·
northerncrane4 said:Meanwhile—this director is clearly campaigning for her to snag an Oscar.

🤣 🤣 🤣

It’s actually pretty cool that they’re screening Inland Empire in theaters; honestly, you wouldn't expect that to happen. Anyway, quick question for anyone who’s seen it—do the theaters over by downtown ever actually run an intermission mid-movie? I know those big multiplexes around here sometimes try to squeeze in a break for three-hour epics, which would be absolutely ridiculous in this case.
Sean Allen76 Sean Allen76 Member
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#58 ·
No breaks allowed
Kyle Watson8 Kyle Watson8 Member
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#59 ·
quietdriver3 said:I don't think I've ever seen a piece of art that felt truly evil. Maybe it's because, you know, art comes from the soul, so the assumption is that it can't be malicious... so, yeah, I guess I really need to see this film😬

You aren't going to find "evil" in a movie; what you'll likely find is art. Honestly, Jason Gonzalez7 explained perfectly what we're looking at here. And clearly, I was wrong—some people are just completely drawn to repulsive ideas. Personally, I have a huge soft spot for things that are unhealthy, but pure evil🙂? No thanks. Sure, even evil can be aesthetically pleasing, but that isn't the case with this film. To me, this movie feels like a spiritual sickness.😁
I mean, when I watch movies, I look for insight into the world before I look for "art." I want to know if I actually *need* to be confronted with a discovery as horrific as the one this film offers. If you ask me, the universe is probably already dealing with enough serious bullshit😁 without this kind of senseless butchery.
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active MemberOP
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#60 ·
Jason Gonzalez7 said:I just watched the film last night. It’s a ride on a dangerous, psychedelic, brutally honest, and broken train—a journey where you truly don't want "your" station to arrive.
I second your entire post.

Speaking of which, the actual plot isn't really the point.
To me, there are four main thematic and symbolic pillars in the film:

1. The dislocation and timelessness of the inner world—diving deep into one's own traumatic psychological web while "acting" (Laura Dern)

2. The question of the third party and betrayal (there is always someone trapped watching those who deceive them, and vice versa; those doing the deceiving are always aware they are being watched)

3. The layers of framing within the story (theater, film, acting in real life versus observation) and the masked nature of the story's origin (the rabbits)

4. Women, and the killing of the "untouchable man in the light" who becomes a woman; women serving as a metaphor for the source of the loop and the curse.

It's all jumbled into a whirlwind of schizophrenic shots without any sense of temporal or narrative order, much like our own inner kingdoms. Actually, the core idea (if we can even call it an idea) is precisely that diving into any story is a CURSE that leads you straight into the sprawling palace of your own inner kingdom. Beautiful and intense.
Of course, I've only seen it once, and I'll probably find a billion more ideas I missed during my next viewings.

And Laura Dern gave a career-defining performance.

It really does warm my heart to come across something like this. 😍

I feel like Jason Gonzalez7 is playing with this sort of dual message here. It’s almost as if they're trying to say, in this infinite present moment, "this is how I experience the film," while simultaneously setting the stage for something else. It's not just that the movie "allows" you to find something deeper, broader, or entirely unknown after a second, third, or nth viewing. It isn't quite that. It’s more like the film anticipates it.

Just a quick thought on the whole idea of film symbolism. No matter how much a viewer tries to stay objective, it’s almost impossible not to start layering in commentary based on everything we’re currently seeing in cinema today. Honestly, I’m pretty sure that as soon as Jason Gonzalez7 wrote that part about the four symbolic frameworks, she realized just how limiting that description actually is—though, for what it's worth, I completely agree with her list. I haven't quite figured out yet how this specific film manages to strike at that cognitive veil we carry between the external world and infinity (see the signature). 😉 But hold on—let's take it slow. First comes the revolution, then comes the formalization.

It’s honestly wild. When I sat down to watch this, I didn't expect anything like it. I wasn't even sure a movie like this could actually be made—let alone that it could actually function. But then there’s Lynch. He just pulls something like this off. To be honest, it kind of left me feeling disgusted by "normal" movies. I just hope that, like any true genius, he stays around long enough to drop something else in a few years. Who knows.

northerncrane4 said:Meanwhile—this director is clearly campaigning for her to snag an Oscar.

Lynch: Cheese is made. from Milk.
Guy: Oh, I see what's happening here.

🙏 😁

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