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Is drug use still a taboo subject in the USA?

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Participants Olivia Martinez20goldengull3William White2Nancy Ward37Hannah Davis18ruggedharbor95Anthony Rodriguez58brightstag92rapidheronrustytiger19Noah Cook5Nicole Morris51silentgull13Jeffrey Longcasualtinker14
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#61 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:drying out on a rack😲
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That’s definitely the most straightforward way to handle it. Methadone just drags the whole process out indefinitely.
William White2 William White2 Member
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#62 ·
A question for Nancy Ward37: have you ever actually had any kind of visual contact with drugs?
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#63 ·
rapidheron said:Drugs haven't added any depth to my life—honestly, I don't see what "profound wisdom" is slipping through my fingers. I don't see any tangible benefits from this mystical "knowledge," and I certainly don't want my kids picking up that kind of insight. As far as I'm concerned, the way the American public views drugs and addiction is perfectly fine.

In other words—thanks to what is likely systematic brainwashing by the media—my brain just links "drugs" to a specific set of associations: crime, HIV, death as a concept, rehab, communes, wasted lives, and broken families. Maybe you experts with all your specialized knowledge know that the reality is actually the polar opposite, but I'm not buying it.

Look, if you ask me, feel free to cling to all those clichés, prejudices, and that small-minded version of "normalcy" regarding this issue. I'd much rather—way, way rather—hand my kids a manual for safe drug use.

I'm with you on this one.
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active Member
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#64 ·
Nancy Ward37 said:That’s definitely the most "correct" way to go about it. Methadone just drags everything out forever.

yeah, if you're totally fine with watching someone suffer through 21 days of hell; then sure, it's "right."
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Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#65 ·
William White2 said:Question for Nancy Ward37: have you ever actually seen any drugs in person?

Yeah.
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#66 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:Sure, if your goal is watching someone suffer for 21 days straight; then yeah, that’s totally valid.
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Nobody actually died, but swapping one drug for another—does that even make sense? Or maybe it does?
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active Member
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#67 ·
Of course there is; since you're out here posting stupid links, maybe try actually looking up some info on methadone therapy for once. 😉
Besides, that first guy from Queens is telling the exact same story.
William White2 William White2 Member
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#68 ·
What I’m reading here is a textbook example of someone who doesn't know the first thing about drug use beyond what they pick up in a headline, and frankly, that kind of superficial understanding does absolutely nothing to address the actual crisis.

I suspect you probably have a kid at home who comes back high, and you just look the other way because you likely believe that a person under the influence is somehow beyond control or incapable of being held accountable.
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#69 ·
It looks like you haven't heard of methadone addicts before.
brightstag92 brightstag92 Member
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#70 ·
rapidheron said:Personally, drugs haven't exactly seeped into my way of life, and honestly, I don't see any profound wisdom slipping through my fingers because of it. I don't see any real benefits from this mystical "knowledge," and just as importantly, I have zero desire for my kids to pick up that kind of insight. As far as I'm concerned, the way the American public handles the whole drug/addict/drug scene is perfectly fine.

In other words, thanks to what I assume is some systematic media brainwashing, my brain immediately links "drugs" to things like crime, HIV, death, rehab, communes, wasted lives, and broken families. I don't know, maybe you experts with all your specialized knowledge know the situation is actually the exact opposite, but I'm just not buying it.

Look, if you ask me, feel free to cling to all those clichés, prejudices, and that small-town version of "normalcy" regarding this topic. I’d much rather—way, way rather—keep those away from kids than hand them a harm reduction manual.

God, that's scary. 😲
When I talked about "drugs being in the fabric of our lives," I meant that we all probably know at least one person who has messed around with drugs.
By not teaching kids about it, you aren't gaining anything. It's actually pretty bad. 👎
William White2 William White2 Member
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#71 ·
I suppose I can't say for certain, but what if someone were to pass away without access to therapy after having been on a 10 mg daily dose of dopamine
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#72 ·
William White2 said:Everything I’m reading here is just a perfect example of someone who knows absolutely nothing about drugs beyond what they skim in a newspaper headline—and let me tell you, that isn't going to solve the problem.

I'm betting you have a kid who comes home high and hides it from you because you're under the delusion that a person on drugs is somehow "out of control."


You aren't even right about the "out of control" part—it really depends on the substance—but if you want to talk about losing control, try dealing with an addict who can't get their fix.
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active Member
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#73 ·
I mean, I haven't exactly heard anyone claiming that methadone therapy is somehow more humane than just praying and using a sledgehammer.
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#74 ·
William White2 said:I mean, I'm not so sure—what if someone dies without therapy after they've already been taking 10 mg of dopamine daily?

No, they wouldn't.
Nancy Ward37 Nancy Ward37 Active Member
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#75 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:I certainly haven't heard anyone claim that methadone therapy is somehow more humane than prayer and willpower.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here. Look—work, prayer, and humility? That's salvation. Pills? Not so much.
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active Member
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#76 ·
Nancy Ward37 said:I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Hard work and being humble—plus prayer—is where the salvation is, not in some pills.

Well, depends on who you ask, I guess. Based on how people come back from those places, I’d honestly rather just take the meds and try to get clean on my own terms.

It's easy for someone to lock themselves up for two years and act like they're making progress.

The relapse rate is insanely high, anyway.
and hey, it’s not even all bad; grabbing a little pocket change from the government...👍 some of those communities are actually pretty low-key about it.
William White2 William White2 Member
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#77 ·
Nancy Ward37 said:Nebi

I suppose if that's the case, how exactly does it happen when people pass away following an alcohol-induced seizure related to epilepsy?
rapidheron rapidheron Member
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#78 ·
brightstag92 said:man, that's scary. 😲
when I said "drugs in our pores," I just meant we all probably know at least one person who messed around with drugs.
if you don't teach kids about it, you aren't gaining anything. it's really bad. 👎

I mean, I've definitely had my share of powders passing through my system too, but I'm not saying it's seeped into my pores. And I'm not changing my mind on how this stuff should be handled in public.

Anyway, just give it to me straight—keep it super short. I don't need an essay, a study, or some link so you can hide behind "detailed info"—just tell me what every kid needs to know about drugs.
Olivia Martinez20 Olivia Martinez20 MemberOP
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#79 ·
Look, I’ll just be the one to tell you in her place: www.talktofrank.co.uk

Just type in the name of a drug—or simply browse from A to Z—and start reading. It is the absolute bare minimum that kids should be exposed to, if only so they have a way to educate themselves when the need inevitably arises.

Instead of offering actual substance, the US government seems hell-bent on subjecting our youth to a relentless paternalistic brainwashing campaign through these overly dramatic, pseudo-intellectual poems—you know the type: "Lost friends. Lost happiness. A lost life. Just say NO!" If anyone is actually questioning the efficacy of such heavy-handed, melodramatic tactics, they need only look at the disastrously poor results we've seen; the failure of this approach is both glaringly obvious and undeniably absolute. 🙄

Just so we're clear, this entire website is a government project. I'd strongly suggest you take some time to wander through the different sections and really get a feel for how they operate.

By the way, in the meantime, Slobodna has actually released their own soda! I can hardly believe it myself. There’s an article about it too. Studying at breakneck speed is an absolute necessity if you want to actually grasp anything meaningful before the deadline hits..

A gem from the article.
Even if "only" about three percent of them end up getting caught, the fallout from using speed is absolutely devastating. Absolutely appalling. The spectrum of consequences ranges from unsettling feelings of depersonalization and behavioral shifts to debilitating depression, psychosis, and even suicide. It is an open secret that an alarming number of college students rely on amphetamines as a crutch to get through their studies, and frankly, the situation is dire. I am firmly of the belief that they require a regime of systematic oversight. "It’s a fundamental necessity," asserts Jurica Marković, president of the New Life association.

Oh, absolutely. Though, in a move that is predictably convenient and perfectly aligned with a certain one-sided tradition of selective memory, they conveniently failed to mention that these are... It’s entirely possible., a ne i Necessary or highly probable. The fallout from amphetamine abuse is nothing short of catastrophic, and if we look closely at the data, it appears an entire generation of American university students essentially coasted through their degrees on speed during the 1960s when it was still legal. We are finding that this demographic absolutely required constant supervision because they were spiraling into states of total depersonalization, full-blown psychosis, and suicidal ideation.

By some divine miracle, we actually have a contingent of decent, healthy, and productive people making an appearance today—take our surgeons, for instance. It’s a refreshing change of pace, considering how medical training back in the early 70s used to wrap up with a heavy dose of speed.

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rapidheron rapidheron Member
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#80 ·
Olivia Martinez20 said:So, instead of actually helping kids and teens here in the States, they’re just trying to brainwash them with these overly dramatic poems like, "Lost friends. Lost happiness. A lost life. Just say NO!!" I mean, if you look at how much that's actually working... honestly, the results are pretty pathetic. It's clearly not doing anything. 🙄

Which part of this dramatic poem is actually just pure fiction?

Olivia Martinez20 said:For real. I mean, besides how convenient it is—in that classic one-sided way—they totally forgot to mention that these are... Maybe.I guess, yeah... maybe. Necessary/highly likely. The fallout from speed use... man. It feels like an entire generation of college students back in the States finished their degrees fueled by amphetamines when they were still legal in the 60s. From what I've heard, we really should have been watching them closer. They were dealing with depersonalization, psychosis, and suicidal thoughts. I guess.
I guess by some miracle we actually have decent, honest, and capable people around today. Like the doctors performing our surgeries—back in the early 70s, I heard medical school was basically just finishing up on speed.

So you think the campaign would work better if we just downplayed the risks and consequences of drug use? Like, maybe tell kids that users actually end up becoming part of the social and moral elite? I guess.

I guess you don't even believe in that yourself.

By the way, it’s the same exact nonsense that got you all worked up in that article from... Free talk. I guess you can find it on that site you recommended, too.

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