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Dealing with lactose intolerance?

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driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#41 ·
placidfox55 said:You're right that you can burn off calories through physical activity.

but just ask your grandma how much milk a single farmhouse actually gets from a barn with just two cows. First, the calf has to get its share, then the kids need their portion, and whatever little bit is left over goes toward making cream, buttermilk, yogurt, or cheese...

How much milk do adults even manage to get for themselves in a day back then? How much cheese are they really slapping onto a slice of bread before heading out to work the fields?

(If there’s no grandma around, let me answer: 😬) Not much.

So, back in those days when people were actually moving around constantly, they weren't stuffing themselves with calories from dairy products. Heck, on an authentic Italian pizza, you aren't going to see nearly as much cheese as we see in this modern era. Why? It's not because some ancient Italian was obsessing over his cholesterol intake, it's simply because cheese was scarce—or just plain expensive.

Here in the States, the dairy industry has spent decades hyping up the benefits of milk and calcium (you know, through those famous "Got Milk?" ads where celebrities pose with those fake white milk mustaches... which is basically just white paint).

Milk is a great source of calcium, sure. But there are plenty of other fantastic sources of calcium that come with way less animal fat (which, honestly, even a toddler knows we should be avoiding these days). And like the article points out perfectly: olive oil, fatty fish, and walnuts are much better ways to get your healthy fats.

And if you're looking for protein, peas (including soy), fish, and chicken are superior options.


Oh, give me a break... "better source of protein are peas"—I'm sorry, but meat is a much better source of protein. Actually, meat has essential amino acids that peas mostly lack, so why on earth would I eat peas for protein when I can just eat meat? Besides, the fat in milk isn't an issue for anyone who eats a balanced diet and does any kind of regular physical activity. Milk provides calcium, fats, proteins, minerals, and vitamins... and honestly, why the hell should I be eating peas or anything else on your list instead of milk when I can just drink milk?
I seriously don't get the logic here. What is your actual problem with milk? Is it the animal welfare stuff or what?
fadedtrucker19 fadedtrucker19 Member
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#42 ·
I have the exact same issue with milk... yogurt and cheese are perfectly fine, but milk? Ugh.
Even with pudding—the real cooked kind, not that instant disaster—I can manage it, though perhaps that’s just because I tend to overindulge when I do eat it...

Anyway, it doesn't exactly ruin my life...
If I’m in the mood for cereal, I either pair it with yogurt (usually fruit-flavored since plain isn't really my thing) or I just drown it in orange juice.

I’m not particularly interested in milk alternatives because, frankly, milk itself is just revolting to me...

What I am curious about is whether those of you with intolerances were also bullied in preschool or elementary school into drinking it.
I was constantly forced to drink it, even though the mere scent of it made me want to gag...
Milk, hot cocoa, and all that nonsense...

Oh, and one more thing: I’ve realized that my intolerance seems to be getting worse as I age.
Back in high school, I could still handle a small cup of hot chocolate from a vending machine without much trouble; nowadays, I wouldn't dare risk it...
boldhound81 boldhound81 MemberOP
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#43 ·
I'm curious—for those with intolerances... did you get bullied in preschool or elementary school because you were forced to drink milk?
I was always pressured to drink it, even though just the smell made me want to gag...
Milk, cocoa, all that stuff...

Milk didn't start bothering me until I was about 13, 😢, so before that, I drank it fine and nobody had to force me.
I actually like milk and dairy products, but unfortunately, none of that works for me anymore...
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#44 ·
driftinggull13 said:There you go—peas are a better protein source? Sorry, meat is actually a superior protein source. Plus, meat has essential amino acids that peas mostly lack.


Actually, no. Soy has all the essential amino acids. And if you pair beans with whole wheat, you get a complete amino acid profile too. Our ancestors weren't wrong when they ate beans with hearty whole-grain bread. 😉

Peas ARE a better protein source than meat because they don't come packed with animal fats. 😎
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#45 ·
driftinggull13 said:I honestly don't get the logic here. What's the actual issue with milk? Is it an animal welfare thing or what?


I love milk. 🙂 😎
It doesn't bother me at all. Honestly, I'm a big fan of cheese and yogurt too. I eat them pretty regularly, just not every single day.😎
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#46 ·
fadedtrucker19 said:Yeah, true: I've noticed my tolerance dropping over time.
Back in high school, I could grab a small cup of hot chocolate from a vending machine without much drama; nowadays, I don't even dare...

Exactly. For some people, tolerance is there from birth, for others it shows up after their first year, and for some, much later. Some are born with a lactase deficiency, while others develop it later on following certain bouts of gastroenteritis that damage the intestinal lining.

It’s the same deal when someone decides to cut out dairy entirely; those little enzymes produced in the gut because of lactose presence (that sugar that needs breaking down) just stop being produced.

So, over time, if someone with a low lactase level stops drinking milk, they start producing less and less of that enzyme. If they try to drink the same amount of milk they used to handle fine a few months later, they end up dealing with way worse bloating, diarrhea, and pain...
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#47 ·
placidfox55 said:Actually, no. Soy has all the essential amino acids. And beans paired with whole wheat also provide a complete protein profile. So our ancestors weren't wrong when they dipped their dark rye bread into bean stew. 😉

Legumes ARE a better protein source than meat because they don't come packed with animal fats. 😎

And what’s wrong with animal fats? What is wrong with you people... Seriously. Meat has all the essential amino acids and you don't even need soy. I mean, who has actually been eating soy in these parts for centuries? Is there something we're missing here? 😎 It's just nonsense. Personally, I think soy is useless, and if you want to talk about making actual crap out of it like tofu, then it's even worse, so why on earth would anyone eat that? Just work out, eat in moderation, eat a variety of things, and you won't have any issues with blood pressure or weight or cholesterol... none of that. It has nothing to do with milk, meat, or soy. There is no such thing as "unhealthy food," there is only unhealthy eating habits. This whole obsession with putting soy in everything is just a fad that came over from the USA. Besides, the variety that is most heavily genetically modified along with corn is soy, and as far as I know, plenty of Europe is covered in those plantations, right?😉
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#48 ·
driftinggull13 said:. I mean, who around here has actually been eating soy for centuries?

Go ask your great-grandmother how much meat she was actually eating in a week... 😉
Most of her protein came from beans, lentils, chickpeas, whole grains, and a bit of milk.
casualfox9 casualfox9 Member
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#49 ·
placidfox55 said:Milk is certainly a great source of calcium. However, there are plenty of other excellent ways to get your calcium without all the extra animal fats—which, let’s be honest, even a toddler knows we should be avoiding these days. As this article points out quite effectively, you're much better off getting your healthy fats from sources like olive oil, fatty fish, and walnuts.

Based on all the research coming out over the last decade or so, milk isn't actually a viable source of calcium. The human body simply can't absorb the calcium from milk effectively; the idea that it's essential is nothing more than blatant, mindless propaganda pushed by the dairy industry!
Milk has never actually helped older women prevent osteoporosis; if anything, it’s only made the situation worse.

By the way, mothers didn't spend millions of years nursing their children with cow's milk; we've only been doing that for less than a hundred years.

It was exactly as you pointed out—cow's milk was primarily intended for calves, and besides, a cow doesn't produce milk all year round.
Back in the day, cows weren't pumping out 30 liters of milk a day like they do now; they were only giving a few liters.
It’s a complete misconception to assume that every single family back in the day had a cow in their backyard! Even out in the rural countryside, that wasn't always the reality. And as for people living in the cities? They weren't exactly sitting around drinking milk, simply because it just wasn't available to them!
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
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#50 ·
casualfox9 said:since the body can't actually absorb calcium from milk,

Milk has never helped older women prevent osteoporosis; if anything, it’s just made things worse.

And for the record, mothers haven't been feeding their babies cow's milk for millions of years—it's only been part of the diet for less than a century.

🤣

Does anyone have any actual arguments supporting even one of these three claims?
driftinggull13 driftinggull13 Active Member
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#51 ·
shadowfalcon33 said:🤣

Is there actually any legitimate argument to back up even one of these three claims?

I mean, sure, but they’re all kept secret because apparently we can't handle the truth, otherwise it would just be more soy industry propaganda, and we all know that doesn't exist... there's only dairy industry propaganda, which is probably why everyone acts like soy isn't genetically modified or whatever...🙂 🙂 And look at that phrase "ALL RESEARCH"—if you believe that, then you clearly take those other two points seriously enough...

placidfox55, people have been treating milk like it's some ultimate superfood for kids since forever, or maybe we should just pretend chickpeas are just as vital to a growing child's diet...😉
dustycanyon6 dustycanyon6 Active Member
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#52 ·
shadowfalcon33 said:🤣

Does anyone actually have a solid argument for even one of these three points?

http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm

They pasteurize their milk, which pretty much nukes all those useful enzymes—you know, things like lactase for processing lactose, galactase for galactose, or phosphatase to help with calcium absorption.
...
I bet people are thinking, "Wait, what happens to my teeth and bones if I quit dairy?" Well, most folks across the globe get less than half the calcium we're constantly told is necessary, and they still end up with sturdy bones and great teeth.

Plus, cow's milk is packed with phosphorus, which can bind with calcium and basically block you from soaking it up. And don't forget, the proteins in milk actually speed up how fast your kidneys flush calcium out of your bloodstream.
casualfox9 casualfox9 Member
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#53 ·
shadowfalcon33 said:🤣

Is there actually any logical basis for even one of these three claims?

You can find a mountain of data online—do you even know how to use Google?

If you take a moment to look at the statistics, Americans and Europeans consume the most milk, while consumption is lowest in Africa, China, and Japan.
Can you guess where the highest rates of osteoporosis occur? Precisely in the USA and Europe. China, for instance, has a negligible incidence rate.

In Europe, I believe Romanians lead in milk consumption, and once again, osteoporosis is among the more frequent ailments there.

Go spend some time out in the rural countryside and talk to the elderly; seventy or eighty years ago, people living in rural areas didn't drink milk every single day. It was a rarity, reserved for those times when cows didn't have calves and produced only a tiny bit of milk... and even then, that little amount had to be split among entire large families.

The milk we buy in grocery stores today is usually just garbage loaded with antibiotics, hormones, and, naturally, only 0.9% fat. What possible reason would there be to drink that milk? Or is it just pure stupidity???? 😁

If someone truly loves milk, they should just move to the countryside and raise their own cows...
dustycanyon6 dustycanyon6 Active Member
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#54 ·
casualfox9 said:The milk we find on grocery store shelves today is basically just junk loaded with antibiotics, hormones, and—of course—only 0.9% fat. Honestly, what's even the point of drinking it? I mean, seriously... 😁

Well, alright then... Sure, maybe the milk we buy (or don't buy 😉) at the store is total trash, but when it comes to thickness... I mean, what's the logic in drinking Coca-Cola? Or eating ice cream?
shadowfalcon33 shadowfalcon33 Active Member
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#55 ·
casualfox9 said:If you dig into the statistics, Americans and Europeans consume the most milk, while consumption is lowest in places like Africa, China, and Japan.
You can probably guess where the highest rates of osteoporosis are found? It's right here in the USA and Europe. China, for instance, has an almost negligible percentage of cases.

Go spend some time in the countryside and talk to the older generations; seventy or eighty years ago, people in rural areas weren't drinking milk every single day.

Are we actually counting milk as one of the causes of osteoporosis (by the way, which type of osteoporosis are we talking about?)? Or could these apparent links be explained in a different way?

I did some digging. My entire family was raised on "bread and milk."
velvetmarlin26 velvetmarlin26 Member
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#56 ·
Kyle Nguyen16 said: My oldest son has asthma. Ever since I stopped breastfeeding him, he refused all commercial formula. He was constantly sick. We were literally rushing him to the ER twice a week at night. Then a friend from BG visited, whose uncle is an allergist. Through her, he told me that all respiratory allergies are linked to cow's milk consumption. I didn't really believe it at the time, so I kept doing what I was doing. Then my little one was referred for tonsil surgery. The ENT doctor recommended removing all three without even checking for allergies. Three days before the surgery, his asthma flared up, causing all our complications. We switched doctors, had his sinuses checked with a camera, and followed a specialist's advice to see an allergist. But even there, they failed to check for a milk allergy. We just got handed piles of chemicals and kept going the old way. Eventually, we visited a homeopath. Through testing, he identified a milk allergy. We cut out dairy—which was hard because he needed to eat—and the child recovered.
We haven't needed injections, inhalers, or IV drips for 3 years now.
Since then, I’ve been following this path and sharing my experience. It works.
My story is minor compared to others I've heard. One woman had her child diagnosed with iron-deficiency anemia, which turned out to be leukemia. They poked and prodded him, torturing the kid; he's still seeing a psychologist from the trauma. He was exhausted, with an Hgb of 70 at his last exam, but now, 9 months later, his iron is 126. He's healthy and started daycare.👍
And yet, because the doctors insisted, she kept giving him whole milk to help him "recover.":top
Kyle Nguyen16 Kyle Nguyen16 Member
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#57 ·
I had him tested for allergies because I insisted on it, but everything came back clear. Though, people say at such a young age, allergies just don't show up on tests yet. I figured out through elimination that it was definitely the milk. It’s funny because my husband used to love giving him chocolate cereal for dinner, and I was always against it—I just had this gut feeling it wouldn't sit right with him. Then the symptoms started popping up, so we began cutting things out one by one. During a checkup with our doctor, my husband brought up the chocolate cereal, and she straight-up told him that stuff is a pile of garbage 🤣 (poor guy looked so crushed 😬). That same day, he made him some cornmeal porridge with buttermilk. The second the little guy took a bite, his stomach flipped, and I knew instantly he had the exact same issue I do.
So, I cut out all other dairy products too, and he hasn't had a single issue—he hasn't even had a cough in these last 2 years 🙏
By the way, I haven't touched milk since I was a tiny kid. My bones have never broken. My brother, on the other hand, grew up on milk. He absolutely loves it and used to chug it by the gallon, but he was constantly breaking bones growing up—he even had to have surgery once. So, this whole theory about milk being essential for bone health doesn't hold any water based on what I know from my own life. Oh, and my brother also has allergic asthma that wasn't caught until way too late (his allergies didn't flare up until high school)
silverfalcon7 silverfalcon7 Member
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#58 ·
Kyle Nguyen16 said:I haven't actually touched dairy since I was a little kid. Honestly, I've never broken a bone in my life. My brother, on the other hand, grew up on milk—he absolutely loves it and used to drink it by the gallon—yet he was constantly breaking bones throughout his childhood, even needing surgery once or twice, so from what I can see based on my own family history, this whole theory about milk being essential for strong bones doesn't really hold much water...

Well, I mean, did his bone just decide to snap on its own somehow!? Just because he was a bit more accident-prone doesn't suddenly mean that milk isn't healthy for you...
If we were both standing there in the exact same situation facing a "broken bone" scenario, then maybe comparing who breaks first would make some kind of sense, but the way this argument is going, I really don't see the logic in it at all...
dustycanyon6 dustycanyon6 Active Member
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#59 ·
Taylor Swift said:They ran allergy tests on my little one because I kept pushing for them, but everything came back totally clear. Apparently, allergies can be tricky at such a young age and sometimes don't even show up on a test. I eventually figured out it was a milk issue just by using an elimination diet. It’s funny how things work out... my husband used to love giving our kid chocolate milk for dinner, and I always had this gut feeling that it wasn't doing him any favors. Then the symptoms started popping up, so we began cutting things out one by one. During a checkup, my husband mentioned the chocolate milk to our pediatrician, and she basically told him it was junk food 🤣 (poor guy looked so crushed 😬 ) so that same day he made some cornmeal porridge with buttermilk instead. The second it touched his mouth, his stomach flared up... I knew right then we were dealing with the exact same thing I had.
We cut out all other dairy too, and honestly, he hasn't so much as had a cough in two years 🙏

Just a heads up, lactose intolerance and a milk allergy are two completely different things.
Kyle Nguyen16 Kyle Nguyen16 Member
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#60 ·
dustycanyon6 said:Lactose intolerance and milk allergies are two totally different things.

Look, I know that! I’ve been saying all along that I can't handle milk, 😉 but his allergy tests came back negative. When he ended up with an upset stomach, it clicked for me—he’s dealing with the exact same thing I am. I honestly don't get why that comment was even made; I never said an allergy and an intolerance were the same thing. If they were, they wouldn't have different names, right? 🙄 I only brought up allergies because of my brother, who started developing allergies to basically everything during high school (though not to milk)
So what, his bone just snapped by itself?! Just because he was a clumsy kid and broke a bone doesn't mean milk isn't healthy.

I never once said milk isn't healthy. You're totally misreading me and grouping me in with those people who were arguing about that earlier—I wasn't one of them. I don't drink milk because my body won't let me. And as for my brother, he was breaking bones left and right in totally normal situations. Like, he'd be hanging out on a park bench, slip, and break his arm. It wasn't some crazy extreme scenario.
Let me repeat: I didn't say milk isn't healthy, but I live perfectly fine and healthy without it. Besides, it’s honestly exhausting debating whether milk is "good" or not in a thread meant for people who skip it because their bodies can't process it, not because of some "higher cause." For those of us with lactose intolerance, it doesn't matter if milk is nutritious or not because we aren't touching it anyway.

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