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Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#81 ·


FBSS Failed Back Surgery syndrome.

Dealing with FBSS Failed Back Surgery syndrome can be a real nightmare. It’s essentially when you undergo a procedure hoping for relief, only to find that your pain levels haven't budged—or worse, they've actually gotten worse. So, how do you avoid landing in this situation? It really comes down to being incredibly proactive before you even step foot in the operating room. You need to have some serious conversations with your surgeon about your specific goals and what a "successful" outcome actually looks like for you. Don't be afraid to ask the tough questions or seek a second opinion from another specialist if something feels off. It’s also vital to understand the risks involved. No surgery is a silver bullet, and being realistic about the possibilities helps manage expectations. Ultimately, doing your homework and working closely with your medical team is your best line of defense.
"Failed Back Surgery Syndrome"—or FBSS—is honestly a bit of a misnomer. It isn't actually a specific medical syndrome. Instead, it's just a broad, catch-all term doctors use when a patient doesn't get the results they were hoping for after spinal surgery. Interestingly, you don't see a label like this applied to other fields; there’s no such thing as "failed cardiac surgery syndrome" or "failed knee surgery syndrome." It seems to be a uniquely vague way to describe back surgery outcomes.

Spine surgery isn't an exact science. There are countless variables at play, and even when you have a top-tier surgeon and perfect clinical indications, success rates only hover around 95%. It’s just one of those things where there's always a margin for error.

Spine surgery really boils down to just two main goals:

1) Decompressing a pinched nerve root, or...

Stabilizing a painful joint can be a real challenge.

Unfortunately, back or spine surgery isn't a magic wand that can simply cut away a patient's pain. It only changes the physical anatomy. Because of that, you have to identify a specific anatomical lesion—a clear injury that's likely causing the issue—before any surgical intervention even makes sense.

The single biggest reason back surgery fails is simple: the lesion they actually operated on isn't what's causing the patient's pain in the first place.

Not all back surgeries are created equal when it comes to actually fixing the problem. Some procedures are much more reliable at relieving a patient's pain than others. For instance,

If you’re looking at a discectomy—or maybe a microdiscectomy—to fix a herniated lumbar disc that's shooting pain down your leg, the outcome is usually pretty predictable. It works quite often. But if you're going under the knife because a herniated disc is causing nothing but lower back pain, I have to be honest: the success rate isn't nearly as reliable.

When you're looking at a spine fusion to fix stability issues like spondylolisthesis, the procedure is actually pretty predictable. That said, if you're looking at a spine fusion to deal with multi-level lumbar degenerative disc disease, the odds of actually cutting down on pain aren't nearly as high.
If you want to steer clear of spinal surgery that ends in failure, there really is only one way to go about it: be proactive.
The goal should be simple: stick to procedures with a high success rate and ensure we identify any anatomical lesions that can actually be corrected surgically before the operation ever begins.

Beyond the FBSS Failed Back Surgery syndrome mentioned earlier, there are a few other reasons why a surgery might not go as planned or why the pain keeps lingering:

When looking at fusion surgery, there are several key factors to weigh—specifically the risk of non-union (where the bones fail to fuse) or potential implant failure. You might also deal with a transfer lesion at a different level following a spinal fusion—basically, when the adjacent level degenerates and starts generating new pain. Other things to weigh regarding lumbar decompression include recurrent stenosis or disc herniation, insufficient nerve root decompression, pre-existing nerve damage that fails to heal after surgery, or any nerve trauma that happens during the procedure itself.

Thinking about scar tissue.
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Here’s my situation:
I had a Laminectomy and fusion at L5/S1 back in 1972. They made a 30cm incision. Back then, instead of the usual six to nine months of rehab, I was back on the job in just five or six weeks. There was no social safety net to fall back on; if you weren't working, you weren't getting any government assistance. I never regained my full range of motion—I couldn't bend past my knees again. Still, I spent 24 years working heavy manual labor on painkillers. Despite the intense pain, I was lifting up to 150 lbs and juggling three different jobs. I worked as an electrician, often crawling through attics on my stomach or kneeling on my knees. Meanwhile, others who only had minor issues and took disability payouts on the company dime ended up retiring early on disability.

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I retired back in 1992 due to intense work stress. I worked as a work order controller, and honestly, the steel mill paid the price for ignoring my suggestions on how to reduce the pressure. Even now, fourteen years later, I’m still seeing a psychiatrist every six weeks to manage depression, anxiety, panic attacks, and a personality disorder.
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My back issues have been steadily getting worse. I’ve got three degenerate levels in my upper spine now, and my arms have started going numb.
Back in 1997, we had to leave our large 4-bedroom house. I just couldn't manage the upkeep anymore, so on my neurologist's advice, we moved into a two-bedroom unit in a small retirement community—just seven units in total.
Every year, my MRIs showed advanced stenosis and a pinched nerve at L4-L5, along with some minor stenosis at L4-L3. At the same time, they discovered that the burning sensation in my legs—which feels like someone is pressing a hot iron against them—and the stiffness were actually caused by Arachnoiditis. There’s no cure for that.
I consulted three different neurologists, but none of them wanted to operate until I reached the point where I could barely walk 200 or 300 meters. And that is exactly what happened. I went from being someone who could jog half-marathons despite the pain to someone who couldn't even make it from the bed to the garage.

In 2002, I was given a 40-50% chance that things might improve.
After the surgery, things actually got worse. Now the L4 nerve is pinched; they tried two rounds of injections under X-ray guidance, but nothing helps. In the meantime, the L5-S1 area has also deteriorated, and I have a pinched nerve at S1 now too.

The full MRI report shows total lumbar degeneration, which matches my clinical exams. The prognosis is that there won't be any more surgeries, unless I lose bladder or bowel control, which is starting to become a concern.

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So, my current reality involves walking about 300 meters a few times a day. If we are out shopping, I have to sit down, rest, and then start again.

I am honestly grateful we have an automatic transmission with cruise control, because I don't have to constantly press the pedals with my legs.

When we take long trips during our annual vacations, I mostly drive at night because of other health issues. We travel through 62 miles... stop to rest... then get going again.
Our last big trip was to New Zealand back in March/April 2005. We haven't been anywhere since then, not even 249 miles with my younger son, because it would just be too difficult and exhausting.
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The days feel very long. At one point, I'll stand up and move around as much as I can, then I'm back at the computer since that's my main interest and what used to be my "profession," then I try to walk a little again... and it just goes in circles.


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Sean Hernandez5 Sean Hernandez5 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#82 ·
My absolute worst experience involved my cursed tonsils.
I was 16 at the time, and I was getting strep throat roughly every month. Since I’m allergic to penicillin, they just kept giving me other antibiotics until my tonsils eventually became resistant to them, meaning that last infection just wouldn't clear up. So, they basically decided to butcher me with a puncture procedure—cutting into the tonsils while I was wide awake. They sprayed on a little anesthetic that didn't even work, then started squeezing them just to get the pus out. I’m pretty sure the entire military barracks heard how much I was screaming. A few hours later, once things calmed down, they sent me in for surgery. It was a total nightmare because I could actually feel them pulling and slicing at those tonsils (it wasn't "painful" per se, but I definitely felt it). To top it all off, a week after the surgery, my wounds started bleeding because blood had pooled on them (they told me that happens quite often), so I had to go back in for cleaning. And so, they took cotton swabs and squeezed my already raw wounds again, totally raw, and this time without any anesthesia, to stop the bleeding. It was "thrilling," to say the least.
Basically, it was horror upon horror.

Even though I haven't read every single post here, I can tell you that all my struggles with those tonsils and everything regarding childbirth aren't actually that bad compared to others. An older friend of my best friend recently had spinal surgery. If they hadn't operated, she would have been paralyzed. Essentially, her back was a chaotic mess of tangled nerves and vertebrae (she was immobile before the surgery). They had to cut from the front and piece it all together (the surgeon explained the process to us before she went in). Now, after a ton of physical therapy, she walks with crutches, but damn, she's still in pain.
I also know a girl whose story was literally featured in the news. One day she just woke up completely stiff. She went to her massage therapist—who had treated her back before—and he told her to head straight to the hospital without even touching her. She went in for emergency surgery, something involving that freaking spine. More than six months after that operation, she was completely paralyzed from the waist down. And she was only 18.

So, let's cut the whining about teeth and tonsils.
If anything, we should be grateful for how well things turned out for us...
Gary Jones10 Gary Jones10 Active Member
61 messages
joined Feb 2004
#83 ·
I don't quite grasp the point of this thread. What exactly is the appeal for people to swap their supposedly revolting experiences with such an intense level of detail? Is it masochism? 🙄
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
278 messages
joined Sep 2004
#84 ·
Sean Hernandez5 said:While I haven't read every single post here, I can tell you that my own struggles with ovarian issues and childbirth weren't actually that bad. A friend of mine recently had spine surgery; if she hadn't gone under the knife, she would've been paralyzed. Her back was basically a chaotic mess of tangled nerves and vertebrae (she was immobile before the procedure). They actually performed the incision from the front and worked it together—she described the whole process to us before heading in. Now, after endless physical therapy, she’s still walking with crutches, and honestly, she's still in a lot of pain.
I also know someone whose story was literally featured in the news. She woke up one day completely stiff. She went to her massage therapist—who had treated her back before—and they told her to get to the hospital immediately without even touching her. She ended up having emergency surgery on her spine. More than six months after that operation, she was completely paralyzed from the waist down. And she was only 18.

So, let's stop complaining about teeth and tonsils.
If anything, we should be grateful when things go better than expected...

I can't find the specific link, but I've had a Laminectomy and spinal surgery myself. Speaking of major operations, this is considered the second most painful type of post-op recovery.

Minor discectomies and microsurgeries don't even compare to a Laminectomy.
There's also a high risk of complications or injury, and a patient can end up in a much worse position than when they started.

Fortunately, out of all spinal conditions and pains, only about 5% of people actually end up needing surgery.
Of those, roughly 75% are successful—at least according to my years of reading and research.

And even within that 75%, many will eventually return with new problems. It's very rare to have an operation that truly "fixes" everything perfectly, as mentioned above regarding what it takes to have a hopeful outcome.

Back in 1972, I went in for surgery after 15 months of agony, with a completely destroyed disc and a fractured vertebra... and I kept working through those entire 15 months.
I don't know anyone else who could keep working for 15 months in that kind of situation.
Most people wouldn't even be able to stand, let alone stay out of bed, with those symptoms.
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By the way, Laminectomy surgeries are typically performed with the patient in a "prone position"—lying on their stomach—or lying on their side. I also know quite a few people who had open surgery via the abdomen; it hurts less because they don't have to cut through the main large muscle group in the back. In 2002, I had surgery while kneeling upright in a special frame designed to support the head... it's one of the rarer positions.
This surgery is usually done with the patient kneeling face down in a special frame. The frame supports the patient so the abdomen is relaxed and free of pressure. This position lessens blood loss during surgery and gives the surgeon more room to work.

Also, cervical spine surgeries are performed by making an incision in the neck, opening from the neck toward the chest.
I have a thread where I describe all of this in detail; the topic is titled:
Lower back pain, protrusion, and intervertebral disc prolapse

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=48580

I also stumbled upon a very simple link today that shows how a "laminectomy removes/cuts the lamina."

http://www.eorthopod.com/images/Cont...my_intro01.jpg
Larry Mendoza Larry Mendoza Newcomer
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joined Feb 2006
#85 ·
Jamie Clark74, I’ve seen enough spinal surgeries to know what I'm talking about, which is why I asked how you can sit for such long stretches?

I’m being completely serious here—please don't take this personally, because you aren't the only person out there dealing with chronic back pain.🙄

My aunt actually had to go through two massive surgeries after getting hardware installed in her lower spine. That first procedure was a lifesaver; it finally freed her from years of unbearable pain and that awful stage where she couldn't even dress herself without help. The second surgery really 👍 and basically gave her her life back, though she had to follow her specialist's orders to the letter. For someone with spinal issues, is pure poison. You need movement. Even if it’s just pacing around a single room, you have to keep moving.

Then there was another case in my family involving a degenerated disc in the neck. Every single specialist turned them away because the risk was too high—they were looking at potential paralysis from the neck down since the disc was sitting way too close to the skull and the spinal cord. BUT THE ONLY REAL CURE WAS MOVEMENT, AND SITTING WAS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.😕

So, yeah... that's why I'm just genuinely confused about how you manage to sit so much.
Gary Jones10 Gary Jones10 Active Member
61 messages
joined Feb 2004
#86 ·
Larry Mendoza said:How on earth do you manage to function while being this sick?😕

When his actual issue lies, shall we say, elsewhere. 😁
Justin Fox Justin Fox Active Member
110 messages
joined Jan 2006
#87 ·
Jamie Clark74 keeps posting these massive walls of text, folks. Give it a rest and try being concise for once; nobody has the patience to read through your novels. Plus, you're just diluting the actual discussion.
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
170 messages
joined Sep 2005
#88 ·
Gary Jones10 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around what the point of this thread even is.

It’s so we can witness firsthand exactly how patients get butchered... 🙄 😁 🥳
Justin Fox Justin Fox Active Member
110 messages
joined Jan 2006
#89 ·
The whole idea here is just about sharing what we've been through.
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
278 messages
joined Sep 2004
#90 ·
Larry Mendoza said:Jamie Clark74, I’m very familiar with spinal surgeries, which is why I asked how you manage to sit for so long.

I'm being completely serious here—please don't take this personally, as you aren't the only one out there dealing with back pain.🙄

My aunt had two major surgeries after getting spinal fusion. That first operation finally freed her from years of unbearable pain and the total inability to even dress herself. The second surgery was a success 👍 and gave her her life back, provided she strictly followed everything her specialist ordered. SITTING is pure poison for people with spinal issues; the more movement and walking you can get, even if it's just pacing around a single room, the better.

Another case in my family involved degenerative disc disease in the neck. Every specialist refused to operate because the patient would likely have ended up paralyzed from the neck down, given how close the disc was to the skull and spinal cord. BUT THE ONLY REMEDY WAS MOVEMENT, AND SITTING WAS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.😕

So, that’s why I honestly don't understand how you can sit so much.


After my 1972 surgery, I worked grueling 12–14 hour shifts doing manual labor—three different jobs just to keep my kids on their feet. Even while dealing with the pain, back in 1987,
my son and I started getting into track and field, and I took up jogging myself.
For a little over three years, I actually competed in jogs—though I always finished toward the back of the pack. I did about 20 half-marathons. 3.1 miles,4.4 miles,7.5 miles, 8.9 miles....those were my standard runs...about 80-62 miles miles a week. I have some data somewhere in my garage showing roughly 7.5 miles miles over those three years, including breaks when I dealt with sciatica. Looking back, I know I shouldn't have done it; I compromised my spinal stability and sped up the degeneration.

And ever since 1991, my wife and I would go for walks around 5-4.4 miles PM every single evening... until the point where I couldn't even make it to the garage anymore. Then came the history of my 2002 surgery at two levels,
and now, long walks are off the table. I mostly just walk around the house. "Sitting and lying down is what relieves my pain"... which is pretty typical for someone with lumbar spine stenosis and two pinched nerves following that 2002 surgery.
Still, I hold onto the memories and the pride of what I achieved while I was able, not to mention my work and everything I did for the family. In 1978, I was asked if I wanted to retire early due to my back, but I looked at my two kids—who needed me most right then—and I kept working.

A few memories from the good days:

http://au.geocities.com/vilimkov/vil...araton1989.jpg

http://au.geocities.com/vilimkov/vil...araton1988.jpg
Chloe Gray12 Chloe Gray12 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2006
#91 ·
I’m suggesting that Jamie Clark74 just starts his own dedicated thread so he can monopolize the space there. He keeps churning out these endless posts where he just recycles the same old talking points, all while sporting that ridiculously long signature filled with links to his blogs and whatnot.
Megan Reed Megan Reed Active Member
170 messages
joined Sep 2005
#92 ·
Chloe Gray12 said:I suggest you just start your own dedicated thread so you can monopolize the whole space.

A single post? Please. He needs his own entire sub-forum on Reddit at this rate. 😉 😬
Arthur Edwards Arthur Edwards Member
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joined Jan 2008
#93 ·
Jamie Clark74 says:


Look, before you start typing, maybe just take a second to actually think about what you're doing. It’s probably for the best.

Maybe I should keep my words pretty and gentle today, just in case I end up having to swallow them back down tomorrow.


What exactly makes you think I "don't know anything"?
Look, speaking as a father of two, I’ve seen enough to know how things should go, but my wife’s experience back in '63 in Washington, D.C. at Lascina was just... bad. She had this doctor who was clearly drunk on the job, and he completely botched the local anesthesia. She was already in total agony from the delivery itself, so she ended up feeling every single stitch being pulled through her. It eventually tore open and got infected, too. To make matters worse, they never even went back to finish the stitching. She was left with an opening that stretched all the way from her vagina to her anus. Just a mess.

She gave birth again back in '74 while she was out in Australia, and yeah, things went sideways again with some complications and tearing... but they ended up stitching the old incision together with the new one and did some kind of plastic surgery on it.
Anyway, my wife is one of those people who can just take an insane amount of pain. She’ll sit there, teeth clenched, and won't even make a sound... she just won't scream. I guess everyone's threshold is just different from person to person.

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Our grandmas used to give birth right at home, just raw and real.😲 What kind of local weather are we even talking about? It’s just pouring. 🙄 The guys were basically throwing a party in the maternity ward. 🙂 🤮
Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
278 messages
joined Sep 2004
#94 ·
Arthur Edwards said:Our grandmothers used to give birth at home without any of this local hospital stuff😲 or fancy procedures🙄 while the husbands celebrated at the local pub.🙂 🤮

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We’re living in the 21st century now!
Which article or post were you referring to?

All my grandkids were delivered right alongside my sons in the delivery room.
Two were C-sections; the boys held the babies immediately, cut the cords, and gave them their first bath so I don't have to share every single photo. I'll post them soon—it's been 18 years since the oldest one was born back in 1988 in Whyalla, Australia.
P.S.
The C-sections weren't even planned... they were last-minute decisions... and my sons were right there holding their kids from the start.

My oldest son has kids who are 18, 13, and 12, and my younger son has a little girl turning 4 soon.

http://au.geocities.com/vilimkov/dariodelivery1988.jpg
Larry Mendoza Larry Mendoza Newcomer
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#95 ·
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Jamie Clark74 Jamie Clark74 Regular
278 messages
joined Sep 2004
#96 ·
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To Moderator Jose Miller3:

That post was really just two members bickering, and I’m issuing them both a warning now. I know you two haven't seen eye-to-eye for years, but this isn't the subforum for that kind of behavior.

The next outburst will result in a ban from the health section (or I might just send you both to the "timeout corner" for the whole forum if you really push my buttons.


Also, just a quick heads-up for everyone: we have a new moderator on board. This is a decent community that doesn't actually need much oversight—just a little help clearing out the spammy supplement ads and occasionally stepping in to stop a fight like this. Be nice...
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#97 ·
This thread is closed—just like that other one. You two need to find somewhere else to bicker instead of doing it here.

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