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The Life and Death of Peter Sellers

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Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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#81 ·
Kate Torres said:Now I'm just confused. Is this actually Sellers or someone else? 😕

I mean, did you catch those ridiculous commercials he did for TWA? You had that trio—the Scot, the Italian, and the Englishman: Thrifty McTravel, Vito D'Motion, and Jeremy Peaktime. Honestly, if you didn't know better, you'd never link them to the same guy; they look physically incompatible with one another, let alone with him. It's almost spooky.😲

Alright, let's take a moment to get acquainted with some of the faces of a man who took as much time as he needed to reinvent himself. I still have to maintain my stance that Rush was a complete disaster. By the late 1960s, his hair had gone totally gray, so most casual viewers are usually blindsided to find out that the judo-shopping twit (Clouseau) was actually just a dyed-up Sellers.

Sellers with Benny Hill in the background, mid-1950s:
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Sellers in the mid-1960s:
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Sellers with his wife Britt Ekland, aka Charlize Theron, probably around 1967:
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Sellers with his daughter Victorio in the late 1960s:
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Sellers with his third wife around 1970:
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Sellers just a few months before he passed:
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quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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joined Mar 2005
#82 ·
Joseph Lee3 said:I mean, did you catch those ridiculous commercials he did for TWA? You had that trio—the Scot, the Italian, and the Englishman: Thrifty McTravel, Vito D'Motion, and Jeremy Peaktime. Honestly, if you didn't know better, you'd never link them to the same guy; they look physically incompatible with one another, let alone with him. It's almost spooky.😲

Alright, let's take a moment to get acquainted with some of the faces of a man who took as much time as he needed to reinvent himself. I still have to maintain my stance that Rush was a complete disaster. By the late 1960s, his hair had gone totally gray, so most casual viewers are usually blindsided to find out that the judo-shopping twit (Clouseau) was actually just a dyed-up Sellers.

Sellers with Benny Hill in the background, mid-1950s:
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Sellers in the mid-1960s:
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Sellers with his wife Britt Ekland, aka Charlize Theron, probably around 1967:
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Sellers with his daughter Victorio in the late 1960s:
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Sellers with his third wife around 1970:
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Sellers just a few months before he passed:
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In this photo, I feel like Sellers is basically spitting out Phil Hartman.

But, uh, for technical reasons, I guess even Phil wouldn't be able to play him. 😁
Kyle Watson8 Kyle Watson8 Member
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#83 ·
quietdriver3 said:Why don't you feel better after watching a movie about immature jerks? Shouldn't you be happy you aren't one of them? Or...? 😁

Well, usually artists have trouble directing their feelings toward what's right in front of them—it’s much easier for them to just blast their energy into something vague. So, I guess it’s not really Sellers' fault he turned out that way. Because if he hadn't been like that, they never would have made a movie about the life and death of Peter Sellers, and then he wouldn't be famous and this whole topic wouldn't even exist. 😢

Besides, it's a lot more interesting to watch movies about jerks. They feel more real somehow—since almost everyone is a jerk at some point, whether it's to one person or everyone else. So when we get villains, we get a more realistic reinterpretation, a more engaging film, and maybe even something totally original.

For instance, if someone made a movie about Tori Amos, showing how she rose from extreme poverty and nothingness by using her kindness and talent, you'd end up with one boring little flick that wouldn't stand out from the crowd. It just wouldn't satisfy our voyeuristic needs. To satisfy the voyeur in you, you have to see something about a person that you haven't seen before. Like, it would be way more interesting to make a film about Tori Amos where she uses the fact that she was nearly assaulted as a way to break onto the big stage, taking song ideas from the broken hearts she leaves in her wake 🙂…

Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂
quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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#84 ·
Kyle Watson8 said:Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂

well, you're only human...

😁

Kyle Watson8 said:Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂

But if that were the case, wouldn't creating stuff be the easiest process in the world? Instead of being one of the hardest. 😢

Kyle Watson8 said:Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂


I get you, but I think maybe you're overthinking it here. If you mean that whole thing with him running over the toy cars? Honestly, it wasn't even that bad compared to the spankings he definitely would have taken—which was pretty much the only way people raised kids back then. You could almost go as far as to say Sellers started a revolution in parenting. 😁

Besides, I don't know how much of the movie you saw, but later on, his relationship with his kids doesn't seem quite that bad. In that scene where the kids are comforting him because Kubrick drove him to a breakdown, you see they have this weird dynamic: the kids are acting like the parents to the parent instead of the other way around. Wow, such a Spielbergian thought... 😍

And that stays pretty consistent with the character shown throughout the rest of the film.

Kyle Watson8 said:Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂

Boring... that's just character study taken to a certain level. I mean, has anyone ever truly repented without it being driven by some kind of fear? So, yeah, fear kicks repentance's ass.🙂 Every year, the backup battery is a constant worry... (does that even make sense? 😕 🤣 )

Kyle Watson8 said:Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂

That sounds like your little payback for Cave and Grinderman. 😛

Kyle Watson8 said:Hahaha, I must say, I’ve truly missed seeing your posts pop up in my feed. It felt like a bit of a void was left without them.
No, first it just makes me absolutely livid, and then I start thinking... God's probably off on some "business trip" somewhere, and honestly, I can't even blame Him. 😁

It seems to be a recurring pattern that artists struggle to direct their emotional energy toward those in their immediate orbit; it’s far easier for them to project all that raw intensity toward some vague, nebulous concept. In that sense, you can't really blame Sellers for being the way he was. If he hadn't possessed that specific, difficult temperament, we never would have seen a film chronicling the life and death of Peter Sellers, because he wouldn't have been famous enough to warrant such an exploration—and frankly, this entire discussion wouldn't even exist.

Yes, hmmmmm. This might sound a bit heavy-handed, but if you ask me, those aren't true artists. Anyone who has actually attempted to create something understands exactly where genuine inspiration originates. It stems from a deep sense of consciousness and a profound empathy for the world around you. I have this nagging feeling that when someone creates work without having fully realized that part of themselves, what they produce comes from some sort of hollow, artificial center.

When it comes to Sellers's transgressions, I find myself willing to forgive just about anything in a person—truly, my patience is vast. However, once I see someone behaving like absolute trash toward their own children, all bets are off. At that point, there is simply no coming back from it. 😠

Frankly, I find watching films centered around absolute scoundrels to be far more compelling. There’s an inherent honesty to them—after all, most people are jerks at some point, if not to everyone, but certainly to at least one person in their lives. When a screenwriter dares to lean into truly villainous characters, we get a much more authentic reinterpretation of the human condition. It results in a significantly more engaging cinematic experience and, in my estimation, a much more original piece of storytelling overall.

I wouldn't say that's the case for me. Honestly, I’m a bit of a mess myself—I don't exactly walk around seeking out deep, meaningful conversations—but there is something about repentance. To me, that sense of atonement is often the most cherished and authentic moment in all of art. 😳

Suppose someone decided to produce a biopic about Tori Amos—specifically focusing on how she clawed her way out of absolute destitution and obscurity by leveraging nothing but raw talent and pure kindness. Honestly? It would be a dreadfully dull little production that wouldn't even make a dent in the cultural zeitgeist. Why? Because it fails to satisfy our innate voyeuristic urges. To truly feed the voyeur living inside all of us, you have to reveal something scandalous, something hidden, something we haven't already dissected. If you actually wanted to make something gripping, you’d take a much darker route. You’d craft a film about Tori Amos where she weaponizes the trauma of her near-assault to catapult herself onto the global superstar stage, perhaps drawing her lyrical inspiration from the trail of broken hearts she leaves in the wake of those men she’s crushed along the way. Now *that* would be a movie worth watching.

Oof, you’re hitting right where it hurts—straight for the heart of the matter. 😉 😁 Hmph. Look, I listen to an immense variety of music, and it makes me acutely aware of the different spheres of sound—and, more importantly, how many of you people out there simply aren't auditory types. 😁 unfortunately you aren't 😉)). Now, Tori Amos obviously isn't Mother Teresa, but if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be so flippant about trying to dismantle the mystery 😁. What one can actually learn from listening to Tori Amos is that the film is, quite frankly, utterly useless in so many respects. To attempt to craft a movie based on the vision you described is nothing more than a pedestrian, almost profane way of looking at something that is as vast and wondrous as space itself 😳. Not that it isn't an engaging topic, mind you, you know 😂


In most cases, 99.9% of space is just barren, lifeless, dark, and cold. That 0.1% is just a statistical anomaly that you can't really call a miracle—maybe it's more like a mistake. ☕

And a movie is a much stronger medium than music. 😉
Kyle Watson8 Kyle Watson8 Member
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#85 ·
Seriously, why is it that I always manage to drag the absolute worst out of you, 😉 AFRAID?? 🙂

You know what? Wow. Peter Sellers—that man essentially maintained an entire troupe of hellraisers in his own theater company. I understand how exhausting it is to deal with personalities like that, but one can only imagine the chaotic storm raging inside the mind of such a borderline type. 😲 But honestly, I don't pity him for it. Aside from the internal struggle with one's own demons, every person ultimately decides whether they want to be fake or true. And frankly, you can spot the difference immediately. 😛

But if it were actually that easy, wouldn't the creative process be the simplest thing in the world? Instead of being one of the most grueling challenges we face.

No, it isn't simple at all. Our souls rarely stumble upon truth, and acknowledging that is a heavy burden to bear. 😳

I was watching that scene where he’s sitting on the toilet and gets the news from a woman that she's pregnant. Good grief, if my wife were anything like Glistha, she wouldn't react like that just because I suggested she toss something out. To me, that moment proved he didn't have a shred of heart left in him.

Ugh, boring... that's just character study taken to an extreme level. Who has ever truly repented sincerely without it being driven by some underlying fear?

dear 🤣

Space is 99.9% of the time barren, lifeless, dark, and freezing. That remaining 0.1% is merely a statistical anomaly that shouldn't even be classified as a miracle—perhaps it's better described as a glitch.

You've pivoted quite sharply toward this topic. 😁 Have you ever accidentally cast a glance into the space within your own head and realized it isn't quite like that? 😳
quietdriver3 quietdriver3 Regular
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#86 ·
Kyle Watson8 said:Seriously, why is it that I always manage to drag the absolute worst out of you, 😉 AFRAID?? 🙂

You know what? Wow. Peter Sellers—that man essentially maintained an entire troupe of hellraisers in his own theater company. I understand how exhausting it is to deal with personalities like that, but one can only imagine the chaotic storm raging inside the mind of such a borderline type. 😲 But honestly, I don't pity him for it. Aside from the internal struggle with one's own demons, every person ultimately decides whether they want to be fake or true. And frankly, you can spot the difference immediately. 😛

But if it were actually that easy, wouldn't the creative process be the simplest thing in the world? Instead of being one of the most grueling challenges we face.

No, it isn't simple at all. Our souls rarely stumble upon truth, and acknowledging that is a heavy burden to bear. 😳

I was watching that scene where he’s sitting on the toilet and gets the news from a woman that she's pregnant. Good grief, if my wife were anything like Glistha, she wouldn't react like that just because I suggested she toss something out. To me, that moment proved he didn't have a shred of heart left in him.

Ugh, boring... that's just character study taken to an extreme level. Who has ever truly repented sincerely without it being driven by some underlying fear?

dear 🤣

Space is 99.9% of the time barren, lifeless, dark, and freezing. That remaining 0.1% is merely a statistical anomaly that shouldn't even be classified as a miracle—perhaps it's better described as a glitch.

You've pivoted quite sharply toward this topic. 😁 Have you ever accidentally cast a glance into the space within your own head and realized it isn't quite like that? 😳


Maybe if you'd watched the movie all the way to the end, you might have figured out what his final choice actually was. 😉

Kyle Watson8 said:Seriously, why is it that I always manage to drag the absolute worst out of you, 😉 AFRAID?? 🙂

You know what? Wow. Peter Sellers—that man essentially maintained an entire troupe of hellraisers in his own theater company. I understand how exhausting it is to deal with personalities like that, but one can only imagine the chaotic storm raging inside the mind of such a borderline type. 😲 But honestly, I don't pity him for it. Aside from the internal struggle with one's own demons, every person ultimately decides whether they want to be fake or true. And frankly, you can spot the difference immediately. 😛

But if it were actually that easy, wouldn't the creative process be the simplest thing in the world? Instead of being one of the most grueling challenges we face.

No, it isn't simple at all. Our souls rarely stumble upon truth, and acknowledging that is a heavy burden to bear. 😳

I was watching that scene where he’s sitting on the toilet and gets the news from a woman that she's pregnant. Good grief, if my wife were anything like Glistha, she wouldn't react like that just because I suggested she toss something out. To me, that moment proved he didn't have a shred of heart left in him.

Ugh, boring... that's just character study taken to an extreme level. Who has ever truly repented sincerely without it being driven by some underlying fear?

dear 🤣

Space is 99.9% of the time barren, lifeless, dark, and freezing. That remaining 0.1% is merely a statistical anomaly that shouldn't even be classified as a miracle—perhaps it's better described as a glitch.

You've pivoted quite sharply toward this topic. 😁 Have you ever accidentally cast a glance into the space within your own head and realized it isn't quite like that? 😳

I thought we were talking about Tori Amos. 😁 Metaphorically speaking, I guess. 😁 😁
Kyle Watson8 Kyle Watson8 Member
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#87 ·
quietdriver3 said:Maybe if you'd watched the movie all the way to the end, you might have figured out what his final choice actually was. 😉

I thought we were talking about Tori Amos. 😁 Metaphorically speaking, I guess. 😁 😁

Oh, so did you just take her life? 😳

I was under the impression we were discussing Tori Amos. 😁 Metaphorically speaking. 😁 😁

Just observing from the perspective of cosmic anomalies. 😛

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