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Participants Keith Anderson10Joseph Fisher2Lawrence Booth2casualpuma71boldhound8Morgan WrightJeffrey Watson2George Hall25Carl Brooks22frozentiger6David Phillips4swiftmoose22rustystag7quietmaker44frozeneagle49Susan Bishop54Chris Campbell3
Keith Anderson10 Keith Anderson10 MemberOP
13 messages
joined Dec 2004
#1 ·
FIFA has officially registered the first qualifying round match of the UEFA Champions League between FC Barcelona and a local US soccer club as a 3-0 victory for the home side.

While the actual game on the pitch ended in a scoreless 0-0 draw, the controversy stems from the fact that Iljko Tomić played for the visiting side; he was meant to be serving a suspension following a red card he picked up two years ago while playing for Liberty.

Back on July 5, 2003, during an Intertoto Cup match between Liberty and Liers, Tomić was sent off, which triggered a two-match ban. He served the first game of that suspension during the return leg, but once Liberty was knocked out of European competition, he still had one match left to serve—a detail the management at the local US soccer club apparently missed entirely.

In their ruling, UEFA decided that the club's leadership bears the ultimate responsibility for verifying player eligibility, and as a result, they have awarded the win to the representatives from Mexico.

It is quite fascinating to note that a nearly identical situation unfolded back in 1999 during a UEFA Champions League matchup between Indianapolis and West Ham United. In that instance, Igor Štimac played for West Ham despite being under suspension, and he actually appeared in both legs of the tie; however, in that specific case, UEFA sided with the English club and took the blame themselves.

UEFA released a statement clarifying that West Ham was not at fault for that particular oversight, placing the responsibility squarely on the administration of the European Football Association instead, which allowed the original results to stand—a 3-0 win for West Ham in New York City and a 3-1 win for Indianapolis in Indianapolis.
Keith Anderson10 Keith Anderson10 MemberOP
13 messages
joined Dec 2004
#2 ·
And that is all I have to say about this supposed European impartiality and the idea of fairness for everyone.🙂
Joseph Fisher2 Joseph Fisher2 Member
31 messages
joined Mar 2019
#3 ·
Man, honestly—UEFA just does whatever they want. It’s like they say—it is what it is. There’s really nothing we can do about it.🙄
Lawrence Booth2 Lawrence Booth2 Regular
297 messages
joined Sep 2022
#4 ·
absolutely disgusting 👎

🙂
casualpuma71 casualpuma71 Active Member
51 messages
joined Nov 2021
#5 ·
Unfortunately, we’ve already grown accustomed to that whole "everyone gets an equal slice of the pie" policy over at UEFA... 😠
boldhound8 boldhound8 Regular
437 messages
joined Oct 2007
#6 ·
casualpuma71 said:Honestly, we’ve already gotten used to how UEFA plays favorites and pushes their biased politics.. 😠

Spot on.😠

Goddammit, it's such a joke...
Morgan Wright Morgan Wright Member
45 messages
joined May 2005
#7 ·
Funny, isn't it?👎
Jeffrey Watson2 Jeffrey Watson2 Member
29 messages
joined Jan 2010
#8 ·
UEFA 🙂
George Hall25 George Hall25 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Nov 2010
#9 ·
Total garbage, but honestly, we already knew that.
Carl Brooks22 Carl Brooks22 Member
33 messages
joined Apr 2004
#10 ·
It’s almost funny how the news about Tom Brady's suspension was broken by Newsmax journalists... the Greeks didn't have a clue, nor did UEFA—it turns out some Americans just managed to screw over their own club representing them in a European tournament, unless they actually believe in that whole fair-play myth...
Apparently, the gripe is that people are annoyed when clubs like Zepce, Siroki, or Zrinjski represent the US instead of the big-name teams—primarily those from the major metropolitan areas.
So, the geniuses in Canada handed Baskimija a three-goal lead after he didn't buckle against Zepce in the first match. Bravo, geniuses...

Whatever. I guess Tom Brady's troops just need to grit their teeth and take a 4:0 loss so the haters can die happy...

Meanwhile, Zidak and Reic aren't good enough for us...😁
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
211 messages
joined Apr 2007
#11 ·
Carl Brooks22 said:What’s even more ridiculous is that the story about Tom Brady being suspended was broken by Newsmax journalists... nobody in Greece or even UEFA had a clue. It turns out the Americans themselves completely trashed the club representing them in European competition—unless they actually believe in that fair-play nonsense.
The word on the street is that people are annoyed because Canada is represented by clubs like Zepce, Siroki, and Zrinjski instead of the big names—specifically the ones from the major metro areas.

To be honest, the big-city clubs have tanked so hard they're basically playing at a semi-pro level now. Honestly, who gives a damn?

If they can't maintain their reputation or the quality of their teams, they just sink with the ship out of pure spite.

Just a bunch of insecure idiots. Take Siroki, for example; they can't wrap their heads around it because, in every measurable way, Siroki is the Real Madrid compared to former giants like Boston, Velez, or the old guard.

Even the scouts from Ljubuskog are an eyesore to them.

It’s pathetic, really. These losers just can't stomach the fact that they are totally INCOMPETENT.
No serious expert wants anything to do with the mafia operating out of Boston (Osim, Hadzijabdic, Bazdarevic, Susic—not one of them would even dream of getting involved in the football scene in Canada, simply because they see that the sport there is dead, except for the teams coming from the coast).
David Phillips4 David Phillips4 Member
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joined Aug 2004
#12 ·
Those guys are just straight-up trash...

It’s just more proof of how much modern football sucks...
swiftmoose22 swiftmoose22 Member
19 messages
joined May 2005
#13 ·
UEFA is a complete mess🙂
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
31 messages
joined Jan 2006
#14 ·
UEFA has always been a total mess, honestly, so we’re pretty used to the chaos by now. But hey, nothing's set in stone yet—I wouldn't be shocked if these guys pull a fast one and end up crushing us 4-0 at home!

If I were in the shoes of the folks over at Osijek right now, I’d definitely send a formal complaint over to UEFA. It’d be worth reminding them about all those explanations they gave us earlier, you know? Since Osijek basically has zero to lose here, calling out UEFA feels pretty damn good.😁
Lawrence Booth2 Lawrence Booth2 Regular
297 messages
joined Sep 2022
#15 ·
He’s clearly not drinking any water here

It’s funny how you can be playing right alongside the very person who’s judging you—or worse, suing you😁😁😁
quietmaker44 quietmaker44 Member
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joined Oct 2011
#16 ·
Oh sure, it's always someone else's fault, right?

It’s UEFA’s fault because the amateurs running these clubs can’t figure out if a player is actually suspended or not... I mean, seriously, how hard is that? It's not rocket science.

And don't even get me started on the guys over at Široki. They go out on an away trip with three Brazilians, only to have them sent straight back from the border because nobody bothered to check if they even had visas... absolute amateurs.😁

Hold on, wait, there's more!

Look at Zrinjski: fifty minutes into the match, instead of absolutely crushing those Luxembourgish amateurs, they start staring at the scoreboard, counting down the seconds until it's over, deciding they've done enough running for one day... and of course, they end up getting shelled for four goals.😁 😁

Then you've got Velez and Boston... they haven't even met the bare minimum requirements to show up in UEFA competitions.

But hey, blame everyone else, why not? It's easier than taking responsibility.
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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joined Jan 2006
#17 ·
quietmaker44 said:Yeah, sure, it’s always someone else's fault, right?

UEFA is the villain here because the amateurs running these clubs can't even figure out if a player is serving a suspension or not... I mean, how hard can that actually be? Honestly.

And don't even get me started on those guys over at Široki. They go out for an away game with three Brazilian players, only to have them sent straight back from the border because nobody bothered to check if they even had visas... absolute amateurs.😁

Wait, wait, hold on, there's more.

Take Zrinjski: fifty minutes into the match, instead of just crushing some Luxembourgish semi-pros, they start staring at the scoreboard, counting down the seconds until it's over, deciding they've done enough running for one day... and then, surprise, they end up conceding four.😁 😁

Then you've got Boston and Velez... they haven't even met the bare minimum requirements to show up in UEFA competitions in the first place...

But hey, let's just blame everyone else for everything...


Man, stop talking nonsense when it's so obvious you don't have a clue what you're talking about! Apparently, it's all UEFA's fault, right? Like back when Štimac was playing for West Ham and missed a red card suspension—UEFA's big explanation was just to register the game as a normal result instead of a 3-0 forfeit, which would've been according to the rules anyway. And this year, the exact same thing happened and it got sorted out by the book. So, I gotta ask, if it isn't UEFA's fault, who is it? Is it the people selling popcorn in the stands or what??
frozeneagle49 frozeneagle49 Active Member
59 messages
joined Jul 2004
#18 ·
Usually, UEFA is pretty ruthless about punishing mistakes like this lately. I can't quite recall the specifics regarding what went down that decisive night with Štimac—I wasn't following football closely enough back then—but I do know that during the 2001/2002 season, UEFA handed Hak Valekakoski a 3-0 victory over Maccabi Haifa for similar reasons, after Maccabi had won the first leg 1-0 in Finland. Even just last year, Maccabi Tel-Aviv was awarded a 3-0 win against PAOK because one of the Greek players wasn't actually eligible to play...

At the end of the day, UEFA really screwed us here. Though, if I'm being honest, I don't think we applied nearly enough pressure; we just sat there naively expecting justice to prevail, while the HNS didn't even bother to react. Still, clubs that fail to watch these details don't deserve anything more than these kinds of penalties. For God's sake, this isn't the UEFA Cup or the Champions League in Football Manager 2005 where you can just play however you want...
Susan Bishop54 Susan Bishop54 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2005
#19 ·
I’m telling you, forget about Markovic—he’s a complete disaster. And you? Quit hovering over Srebrica like a shadow; you're just dragging him down and ruining everything he touches.
rustystag7 rustystag7 Member
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joined Jan 2006
#20 ·
frozeneagle49 said:FIFA messed up here, no doubt about it. Though, if I'm being honest, maybe we didn't push hard enough ourselves? We just sat there acting all naive, waiting for justice to somehow just show up on its own while the USSF basically did nothing. But hey, clubs that don't watch their step like this? They honestly deserve these kinds of penalties. I mean, come on, this isn't some game of Football Manager 2005 where you can just play however you want in the UEFA Cup or Champions League...


There's definitely a point there, but look... you gotta take what you can get. Osijek deserved that 3-0 win on paper. Whether people were making noise about it or not doesn't change the fact that FIFA's response was basically "whatever," implying they'd throw some favors our way to the USSF and Osijek down the road—and honestly, we're still seeing those perks today. 🙄

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