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The Watch (2004)

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irontiger25 irontiger25 Member
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#41 ·
I caught this at AMC about a month ago... and honestly, I can't remember the last time I sat through something so tedious and confusing.

If you don't believe me, go check it out for yourself...

But I really don't get why everyone keeps comparing this movie to The Matrix. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for The Matrix itself... but this flick has absolutely nothing in common with the Russian Night Watch.
Maybe besides the slow-motion shots...
A Anonymous Veteran
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#42 ·
There’s finally a successor to Night Watch! It’s called Volkodav. I’ve been digging around and managed to find some info and various teasers on it. Here .
stormycyclist13 stormycyclist13 Active Member
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#43 ·
The movie is honestly just pure entertainment; I haven't really watched anything in that vein since The Matrix🙂 As long as they're throwing punches, I'm happy!🙂
Good versus evil🙂

Look...

Constantine🙂
Now this... this is the good stuff🙂
coastalgardener40 coastalgardener40 Newcomer
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#44 ·
Night Watch is the first installment in this massive trilogy. Back in 2004, the forty-four-year-old director, writer, and producer Timur Bekmambetov absolutely crushed it at the American box office, shattering records to become the most watched film ever.

Looking ahead, Day Watch—better known as Night Watch 2—is slated for 2006 and is currently deep in post-production, while Night Watch 3 is already in pre-production for a 2007 release.

Word on the street is that this Sci-Fi Horror flick might actually eclipse the legendary "The Matrix".🙂

Has anyone here had the chance to see it yet? Right now, it’s playing in theaters over in Mexico, but it should be hitting our local stores on DVD next month.
coastalgardener40 coastalgardener40 Newcomer
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#45 ·
Night Watch (2004)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0403358/
coastalgardener40 coastalgardener40 Newcomer
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#46 ·
My apologies, I completely missed that this thread already existed. Honestly, though, it’s a great topic to kick off. The movie is hitting theaters here in the States pretty soon, after all.

😎
cosmicraven2 cosmicraven2 Active Member
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#47 ·
There are simply too many characters and concepts to squeeze into a mere 90 minutes, regardless of how long this movie actually runs.

What really threw me off was the constant introduction of new faces and the way the rules kept shifting mid-stream. For instance, there’s that scene where three members of The Watch are tearing down the road in some high-octane car, only for some random guy to appear out of nowhere and flip their vehicle in a full 360-degree spin. (I later found out on an IMDb forum that he’s actually one of the key players in the upcoming 'Day Watch').

Visually, it's impressive, but the narrative is a total mess. People used to criticize 'Constantine' for trying to cram too much into two hours, but Night Watch is a far bigger disaster than 'Constantine' ever was.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#48 ·
cosmicraven2 said:What really threw me off was the constant stream of new characters being shoved in the face of the audience and the way they kept rewriting the rules on the fly. Take that scene where three guys from The Watch are tearing down the road in some high-strung sedan, only to have some random guy standing in the middle of the street flip their car 360 degrees for absolutely no reason—and then, later, I find out on an IMDb forum that he’s supposed to be a major player in the upcoming Day Watch.

Wait—wasn't that the same guy who pulls the sword out of a spine?
cosmicraven2 cosmicraven2 Active Member
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#49 ·
I think that might be him, though I can't say for certain. My main point was that the characters feel rushed into the story far too quickly. Honestly, the film could have used at least another thirty minutes of screen time—even if that meant sacrificing some of the pacing.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#50 ·
cosmicraven2 said:I think he is, but I'm not certain. My point was more about the pacing—the characters feel rushed into the story. It probably needed another thirty minutes of runtime, even if it slowed things down.

If they had that extra half hour, the writers would just use it to cram in twenty more characters.
coastalgardener40 coastalgardener40 Newcomer
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#51 ·
cosmicraven2 said:There are just way too many characters and concepts to squeeze into a 90-minute runtime.

What really threw me off was the constant influx of new faces and the shifting rules. For instance, there’s that scene where three members of the Night Watch are tearing down the road in some high-strung sedan, and suddenly—out of nowhere—some guy just stands in the middle of the street and flips their car 360 degrees. (And then, naturally, I find out later on an IMDb forum that he’s actually a pivotal character for the upcoming 'Day Watch'.)

Visually? It’s impressive. But narratively? It’s a mess. People criticized 'Constantine' for being too packed into two hours, but honestly, Night Watch is a much bigger disaster than 'Constantine'.

The sedan 😁 Is it really that big of a deal?
Maybe it feels cluttered right now, but I have a feeling everything will start making sense once the sequels roll around.
Frank Moore4 Frank Moore4 Active Member
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#52 ·
Looks like we’re finally getting a Continental DVD release of that Russian Sci-Fi Horror flick, Night Watch, by the young director Timur Bekmambetov.

So, we’re talking about a movie that went into production with a $4.2 million budget and ended up pulling in $16 million just in the US. That alone made it the most profitable American film ever made at the time. It was a massive hit, and people are still calling it one of the absolute best films from 2004. Plus, the franchise is expanding soon with sequels like Day Watch (2006) and Dawn Watch (2007) on the way.

Night Watch is the first installment in a trilogy that’s honestly set to give both American and global audiences something special to chew on over the next few years. Back when the first part hit theaters in July 2004, it pulled in massive numbers—we're talking record-breaking crowds. People were so hyped for this homegrown cinematic achievement that they almost completely ignored the fact that The Lord of the Rings and Spider-Man 2 were playing at the exact same time. It’s pretty wild how much it dominated the box office. It's also worth noting that the film was actually picked up as the big representative for the US in the race for an Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film.

So, let's talk about the literary roots behind Sergei Lukyanenko’s work. His sci-fi fantasy series—specifically Night Watch, Day Watch, and the later entries—are absolute massive bestsellers. I mean, we're talking about the first installment being such a juggernaut that it moved another 2.5 million copies right after its initial release, especially once the movie adaptation hit theaters. When it comes to how he came up with the idea for such a complex, gritty, and dark narrative, Lukyanenko himself gave us the breakdown:

I’ve always had this deep-seated itch to write an epic saga, but honestly, the whole whole trope of dwarves and elves just never really did anything for me. It felt uninspired. Instead, I hit on this concept that actually stuck: the idea that the night serves as a literal battlefield for sorcerers who hide right in plain sight among us regular mortals, only stepping out to fight when they can ensure humanity doesn't catch on. That’s how the concept of the Night Watch was born—this specialized unit designed specifically to keep those magic users in check. From there, the whole thing just snowballed; I started developing their counterparts, the Day Watch, and mapping out that eternal tug-of-war between the two sides.

If you want the absolute shortest version of the synopsis, it’s basically just an endless, centuries-long struggle between Light and Darkness. But if you look at a slightly more fleshed-out interpretation, the story actually kicks off about a thousand years before our current timeline...

Since the beginning of time, there have always been "others" walking among us—witches, vampires, and all sorts of creatures ranging from mildly annoying to straight-up lethal. It’s basically a constant tug-of-war between the forces of Light and Darkness. The logic is pretty straightforward: Light works to protect the world from Darkness, while Darkness just wants to tear everything down. But if we look back about a thousand years, things got interesting. Gesser, the Lord Light, and Zavulon, General Darkness, actually struck a deal. They agreed that no one should be forced to choose a side; instead, everyone gets the freedom to decide for themselves whether they want to follow the Light or the Darkness. To make sure this whole arrangement actually stays functional, they formed organized groups: the Night Watch and the Day Watch.

The Night Watchmen basically act as the babysitters for everything lurking in the shadows—we're talking vampires, witches, shapeshifters, and those sketchy psychics who spend their nights stirring up trouble and inciting betrayal. On the flip side, you've got the Day Watchmen keeping a constant eye on the forces of Light to make sure they don't overstep. But here’s where it gets heavy: there's this ancient prophecy floating around about "The Great One." It says that eventually, this figure will arrive and trigger a massive, apocalyptic showdown between Light and Darkness. Whatever choice this person ends up making will essentially decide whether humanity survives or goes down with the ship.

Picture this: It’s 1992. You’ve got Anton Gordesky, a guy who is absolutely gutted after his fiancée leaves him for someone else. He’s desperate, totally broken, and in a moment of pure weakness, he turns to a witch to see if she can use some dark magic to win her back. But here’s the kicker—she’s part of the Darkness, and just as she’s about to pull the trigger on that spell, she’s shut down by a Night Watchman. That whole mess ends up being the massive wake-up call Anton needs. It’s the moment he realizes he’s actually The Great One, forced to make the ultimate choice: step up as a protector for the Light or dive headfirst into the ranks of the Darkness.

When you’re trying to describe a high-octane horror fantasy that’s absolutely loaded with action, terror, and tension, people usually point to classics like Blade, The Matrix, Highlander, Blade Runner, or Delicatessen. You know the vibe—a wild, colorful cast of characters ranging from the mythic to the mundane, all tossed together in this beautifully chaotic mix. There’s no strict hierarchy or rigid order to how everything plays out; it feels totally anarchic. Honestly, "punk" is probably the best way to describe that specific kind of filmmaking style.

With a budget of only $5 million to pull off a film with such a demanding and lush aesthetic, the producers knew they had to hand the director's chair to someone with a real eye for style, a knack for storytelling, and the ability to blend cutting-edge special effects with a deep understanding of the American spirit. Timur Bekmambetov ended up being their go-to choice. He made his debut back in 1994 with 'The Peshwar Waltz,' followed by 'Gladiatrix' in 2000, but he’s mostly famous for being a master of high-end commercials and music videos for heavy hitters like Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Apple, Microsoft, and Ford.

While everyone is busy praising one of the first films of this genre in America, others often point out how frantic it feels—it’s got this relentless, breakneck pace and a massive cast of characters and subplots that can make you lose the thread of the story pretty easily. Honestly, it’s not even surprising; you get tossed into this dark, dense forest where you're constantly hunted, feeling this overwhelming sense of dread from hordes of creatures straight out of American folklore. Brrrrr...


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Arthur Anderson49 Arthur Anderson49 Active Member
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#53 ·
I finally popped this one into my player yesterday after grabbing a rental from the local video store.

I’ve read through all the complaints posted here on the forum, and honestly, I’m on board with pretty much everything—except for one thing:

xavierkat said:..and there wasn't a single ounce of Russia in the whole thing,

You're probably looking for that old-school vibe you'd find in Doctor Zhivago, or maybe some Burlak stories from the Volga or a Siberian Lady Macbeth. But that's just not what this is! That kind of atmosphere doesn't exist anymore, so why on earth would they try to dig it out of a museum for a movie set in the modern day?

I spent some time living in Moscow, and man, this movie nailed the setting perfectly. It felt like the real deal—I was actually blown away by how spot-on the urban vibe was.

As for those other gripes people have... yeah, okay, they make sense, but even with all those flaws, this movie is freaking awesome.

I am absolutely THRILLED by the fact that the cast looks like random people you'd just bump into on a street corner. They look like actual humans, not polished actors. Nobody in this flick is conventionally gorgeous!!! Isn't that just genius after being constantly bombarded by that fake Hollywood perfection?

Every character feels like some sort of gritty, working-class underdog; they aren't exactly geniuses, but they're trying their best. Everything feels slightly broken. Everything is a little bit dirty. Everything feels low-budget and raw, except for that one doctor's apartment. And the lead? He's a total mess who desperately wants to be better than he actually is, but he just can't get there. He's dug himself into a hole, and there's no happy ending coming. There's no magic wand to pull him out of the crap he's created for himself.

It was just so, so good. Those "flaws" don't bother me at all; in fact, I'm almost afraid that if they tried to "fix" the movie or clean it up, it would actually ruin the whole experience. This was such a breath of fresh air after all that mindless Hollywood sludge. I seriously can't wait for the sequel.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#54 ·
Arthur Anderson49 said:I'm actually thrilled by how much the cast looks like random people plucked off a street corner. Real people—not actors. Nobody in this movie is attractive!!!

And frankly—it's not just the looks—none of them can act to save their lives.
Nancy Kim2 Nancy Kim2 Member
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#55 ·
What an absolute banger of a movie.
Arthur Anderson49 Arthur Anderson49 Active Member
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#56 ·
northerncrane4 said:And honestly? None of them can actually act to save their lives!

🤣 Actually, they didn't fail to impress me—it was the exact opposite! They felt completely authentic, like they weren't even "acting." Isn't that just the absolute best kind of performance?
restlessmarlin6 restlessmarlin6 Active Member
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#57 ·
The movie is 🙏 🙏 🙏
Honestly, I didn't know the first thing about it. When I picked up the DVD, I was just like, "Wait, what is this even supposed to be?"

At first, the plot felt totally trashy to me—I actually thought it was some low-budget parody or just a lame attempt at copying 🙏
The Lord of the Rings. But then... wow.
👍The atmosphere, the directing, the sheer intensity, the camerawork...
It was incredible. 🙂 I'm definitely watching this again.
northerncrane4 northerncrane4 Regular
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#58 ·
Arthur Anderson49 stormycyclist13 said:🤣 They didn't just impress me—it was actually the exact opposite. They felt completely real, rather than just acting. In my book, that’s the best kind of performance.

The best way to act is simply hitting the right tone for the film or play you're in. Acting like Chekhov in a movie about American vampires is—well, it's just wrong. Lame..
Arthur Anderson49 Arthur Anderson49 Active Member
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#59 ·
Mr. Bean said:The absolute best way to act is just to nail the tone of whatever movie or play you're working on. Trying to channel Chekhov in some flick about Russian vampires is just lame.

Man, I’d totally be on board with you if I had actually seen any Chekhov vibes while watching The Watch. But honestly? I haven't. Maybe we're all just looking through different lenses when it comes to that Chekhovian style.
wiredbear2 wiredbear2 Active Member
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#60 ·
I think I have to side with everyone else who’s been raving about this movie 👍 ... The characters are just incredible—they're funny, deeply flawed, and wonderfully eccentric, which is such a refreshing break from those invincible, perfect heroes you see in every typical Hollywood blockbuster. The pacing keeps you hooked from the opening scene right through to the credits. Honestly, considering the usual stuff you find floating around on Netflix or at the local video store lately, this is easily the best thing out there right now, at least for anyone who actually appreciates this kind of genre...

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