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Participants Emily Torres2casualotter21boldeagle3slyrider16steelstag4northernfalcon30Angela Kern69Donna Nelson23Jose Miller17Henry Anderson47Anthony Baileynimblemarlin17Robert Rodriguez6Ryan James23Jessica Nguyen85Richard Hernandez13stormycyclist13irongull74Henry Martin10shadowhoundAJason Chavez32rustyangler68Jack Torres8 …
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#21 ·
Jose Miller17 said:Artificial Intelligence is one of those rare films that I would actually praise, though I certainly wouldn't sit through it again.

I see, that’s pretty much my take on it as well. The film was decent enough, but certainly not something I’ll be rushing back to watch anytime soon.
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
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#22 ·
casualotter21 said:Look, I basically felt the same way. The movie was decent enough, but I don't think it's something I'll be rushing back to watch again.

Yeah, I'm on the same page there... I agree.
northernfalcon30 northernfalcon30 Active Member
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#23 ·
Just try rewatching it in a few years... maybe then it'll click.😛
Henry Anderson47 Henry Anderson47 Active Member
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#24 ·
northernfalcon30 said:Maybe try watching it again in a few years.😛

Do you think my take on it would be worse or better?

I guess my impression usually stays pretty much the same, so I don't really go back to stuff like that unless I stumble upon it again by accident, like on some TV channel or something.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#25 ·
Emily Torres2 said:Is this topic already played out? Given this year's Oscar nominees—with all the Kill Bill vibes, samurai swords, and lords of the land/sea/space—is the core message just lost in translation?

Personally, I dug the ending with the aliens.
😳

The plot and the movie itself? Fine.
Watchable.
It actually hit a nerve regarding my own childhood—how much it hurt being separated from my mom 🙂 (like when I’d head off to Grandma's beach house or go to preschool).
😳😁

Also...
For some weird reason, I kept expecting Robin Williams to show up and play the robot housekeeper...
🤔No clue where that came from.
😵
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#26 ·
cro Fag said:I actually liked the ending with the aliens.
😳

Look, man, I'm telling you again—those guys are definitely NOT aliens.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#27 ·
nimblemarlin17 said:Look, man, those things aren't aliens. Period.

At the very end, the actual climax of the movie, we see these bears—robots, if you want to be technical—freeing that boy from the ice. They finally get a chance to show more humanity toward that robot-boy than any human ever did. So, they didn't just evolve from primitive machines into beings so lifelike that people are mistaking them for aliens; they evolved emotionally. They have real feelings and genuine empathy now.


but they look like aliens

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck --> then it’s a duck!
😁 😁 😁

Just kidding
😉 👋
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#28 ·
Why on earth would aliens—and you know I don't believe they even exist out there in space—have two arms, two legs, a head, and speak English? It makes way more sense if we're talking about robots (even though my first thought wasn't that they were machines). 😁
Robert Rodriguez6 Robert Rodriguez6 Newcomer
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#29 ·
Jose Miller17 said:A.I. is one of those rare movies I’d actually give credit to—but I am never watching it again.

Exactly.
northernfalcon30:
Maybe give it another look in a few years.

I'm with you on that one.
Ryan James23 Ryan James23 Newcomer
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#30 ·
Jose Miller17 said:A.I. is one of those rare movies I'd actually praise, even if I’d never sit through it again...

I'm with you. It was a solid film, but honestly, it's just too depressing. If it pops up on TV, I'm probably just gonna skip it.
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#31 ·
nimblemarlin17 said:Why on earth would aliens—and you know I don't believe they even exist out there in space—have two arms, two legs, a head, and speak English? It makes zero sense.

They didn't say a word.

!

They didn't even start speaking English until much later!
At first, they were just trading messages in this incomprehensible gibberish that had absolutely nothing to do with how we actually sound.

Take another look.
😉

👋
Jessica Nguyen85 Jessica Nguyen85 Active Member
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#32 ·
It’s kind of curious to me how Spielberg would even touch material similar to Stanley Kubrick's. They don't share much in common, not in their descriptions, not in their vision or understanding. But then again... who am I to complain? 😎

Honestly, they should probably drop the title for a debut film, because given such a high-profile name, I expected a lot more. Aside from Teddy, the cast feels pretty second-rate. 😁

The movie tries to tackle every possible theme stemming from the fact that A.I. exists at the level explained at the start, and frankly, I wasn't really feeling it. Just the mere idea that immortality—meaning the robot hosting the A.I. lives forever—combined with stagnation, since the robot doesn't physically change, opens up such incredible possibilities regarding how those things impact fundamental human relationships and emotions.

However, it seems the director was way more preoccupied with trying to impress us visually (pathetically so in the last half hour) rather than hitting an emotional note. But that's just Spielberg... I guess that's just his style.

Some thirty-minute episodes of The Twilight Zone offer more satisfaction than this massive money pit.
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
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#33 ·
Jessica Nguyen85 said:It’s actually pretty wild to think about Spielberg working on material that feels so much like something out of Stanley Kubrick's toolkit.

The reason behind it is actually quite touching—Kubrick personally asked him to step in and finish the project.
See, both of them were huge fans of Colodijev PinocchioPinocchio.
Even though he had been prepping the film for years, Kubrick eventually realized that the story's soul actually aligned more with Spielberg's sensibility than his own.
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#34 ·
Oh yeah, just remembered. That teddy bear is easily the best character in the entire movie. Honestly, I don't get why anyone calls him some "child's toy" instead of a high-tech Mecha like the kid thinks. The bear just has slightly bigger ears and some fur...
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#35 ·
cro Fag said:They weren't talking.

!

They were speaking English, just later on!
At first, they were just swapping this unintelligible gibberish that sounds nothing like our voices.

Watch it again.
😉

👋

Look, they were speaking English! Everything before that was just some binary code that only robots would understand. 😁
Anthony Bailey Anthony Bailey Regular
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#36 ·
nimblemarlin17 said:Look, they were actually speaking English! Before that, it was just some kind of binary code that only robots could understand. 😁

If it was just binary code, then what?
Then why was it heard at all? What’s the point of a sound if I can just broadcast it via radio waves or some kind of signal?

If it was all just binary code, then why didn't they talk to him using lowercase? I mean, come on—he's a robot too.
😉 👋
stormycyclist13 stormycyclist13 Active Member
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#37 ·
It's a solid film. I actually sat through it twice. 🙂
nimblemarlin17 nimblemarlin17 Regular
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#38 ·
cro Fag said:so... if it was all just binary code, why didn't they talk to him using zeros and ones? I mean, he's clearly a robot.
😉 👋

They had no clue. He looked human. Just because they have lightning-fast processors inside doesn't mean they instantly realize who's a machine and who isn't.😁
irongull74 irongull74 Newcomer
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#39 ·
slyrider16 said:So, here’s how I decided to read the movie...

S P O I L E R S !!!!!

The whole thing is basically a fairy tale. Right from that opening shot, you get this voiceover—I'm pretty sure it's Ben Kingsley—acting as our narrator, pulling us right into the fable. And honestly, it’s easy to see it as a remake of Pinocchio, which, let's face it, it kind of is.

I have to disagree there. I don't really see the connection to Pinocchio, other than the fact that both characters are manufactured. Pinocchio is this lost, naughty kid who learns lessons through trial and error—he's a little troublemaker, totally disobedient. Plus, the book is loaded with all those religious undertones. But the kid in Artificial Intelligence? He’s innately good... he's just looking for one thing: acceptance and a mother's love. Artificial Intelligence is a fairy tale, sure, but it's its own specific kind of story. A sad one, and a pretty confronting one at that.👍
irongull74 irongull74 Newcomer
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#40 ·
Emily Torres2 said:Well, you could look at it that way too—though that’s just a version seen through terrified, human eyes, if you ask me.

It’s a pretty heavy realization for me, honestly, that

a) that movie actually moved me to tears—which is something else entirely.
b) I find myself feeling this deep, aching sympathy for the oppressed and terrorized masses (Native Americans, Black Americans, Mexicans,
Jews, the persecuted in general)...
c) looking at those supposedly mechanical beings, I see actual people—it stands in such sharp contrast to the
dehumanized remnants of "humanity" who gather in arenas to rage and wildly slaughter one another, or simply watch the killing of others
(who are supposed to be non-humans).
d) I don't see an evolution from humans into machines and then back into more soulful beings; instead, I see a downward spiral of dehumanization—a warning to humanity to wake up before it's too late.

I’m reading here that plenty of Americans would probably prefer watching live executions as a "better," more advanced form of entertainment—because things like Rollerball, hockey, football,
the UFC, wrestling, etc.—are basically just modern gladiators and they're getting boring. There’s no blood, no smell of scorched flesh, no eyes evaporating from an electric chair... there's just no suffering at a high enough intensity.

Imagine sitting there with your popcorn while an all-night show plays out: "Let's burn them alive," or hunting down whoever we feel like in the streets...

That’s why, for me, this Artificial Intelligence film is really about people, not about robots or mechs—just like how any great space adventure or alien flick is fundamentally always about us.

👍 I'm with you on this.

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