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Aaron Gonzalez4 Aaron Gonzalez4 Member
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joined Sep 2004
#21 ·
It’s way more intense than D&D, but it feels much more real. Our GM actually went and nerfed some NPCs by pumping them up to 500 character points—it’s total overkill. Based on what they rolled, we almost lost two players, and I ended up losing my axe in the chaos. 😠
I can't wait for the next session today.

But honestly, the craziest part is when everyone heads to a local pub afterward to debate everything while the rest of us just sit there looking completely lost.😁
Aaron Gonzalez4 Aaron Gonzalez4 Member
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#22 ·
And it’s not even off-topic—this whole thread is about Underworld, which basically grew out of a similar game anyway. Honestly, though? It would be ten times better if the setting was shifted back maybe a hundred years or so, and if those damn vampires actually had reflections in mirrors.
Elizabeth Harris6 Elizabeth Harris6 Member
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#23 ·
Aaron Gonzalez4 said:It doesn't feel off-topic to me, considering this whole thread is about Underworld, which essentially grew out of a similar concept... though I can't help but think it would be ten times more compelling if the setting was shifted back maybe a century or so, and if those damn vampires didn't have reflections in mirrors...

In Vampire: The Masquerade, they actually do have reflections...

Which, if my memory serves me right, was actually one of the key points brought up during that White Wolf lawsuit...
Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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joined Sep 2003
#24 ·
I just watched the movie, and I won't dwell on the plot holes, I just wanted to say how cool and polished those vampires are. They’ve either got leather jackets or some high-end designer suits, or they look like they're in their 30s—everyone is clean-cut and just incredibly cool. They live in mansions and drive insane cars... and that guy Kraven has this shirt at the beginning that is totally Elvis style...

meanwhile, the werewolves are just feral, unrefined, and filthy. They live in holes and wear jackets donated by Caritas or the US Army.
uhm, I definitely want to be a vampire instead.

My main gripe with the film is that there isn't just one singular showdown between the good guys and the bad guys. Instead, it's this guy wanting to kill the other because he killed his family, then this other guy wants to kill the first one because he destroyed his daughter, and then someone else gets dragged into the mess and wants to kill the first guy because he loves Kate...
too much...of...that...and not enough...action and dialogue—it felt way too heavy-handed to me...but while I was watching, I wasn't even thinking about that, I was just thinking about how comfortable my loveseat was while I sat there. The theater was empty so I just laid back... and my buddies were hanging out around, we were shouting a bit, but whatever... and that loveseat is much better if you're alone; I don't know why anyone would go there with a girlfriend, she'd be all over me and I wouldn't be able to lie down properly.
Eric Jackson43 Eric Jackson43 Active Member
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#25 ·
Aaron Gonzalez4 said:It’s way tougher than D&D, though at least it feels real, but now our GM has gone and cooked up some NPCs with like 500 character points or whatever, and based on the rolls we got, almost two of us died and I totally whiffed my axe swing 😠
Can't wait for the next session later today.

But honestly, the wildest part is when we end up having this huge debate at some local pub afterward while everyone else just stares at us like we've lost our minds.😁

We really ought to start a dedicated RPG thread on a different board somewhere.😉

BTW, it’s not actually harder if the rules aren't rigged against you.😉

AGAIN, SORRY FOR THE OFF-TOPIC POSTING
Samuel Morgan5 Samuel Morgan5 Newcomer
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#26 ·
I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch the movie yet, but my Vampire: The Masquerade crew has already seen it and they're saying it's absolutely fantastic!
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#27 ·
Samuel Morgan5 said:I haven't managed to sit down and watch the movie yet, but the folks I play Vampire: The Masquerade with have already seen it, and they’re swearing it's fantastic.

I suppose I learned from that movie exactly why other RPG geeks love to mock people who play White Wolf games. Apparently, we're just a joke. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it’s time for another CNN rant about cinema. Since I’m trying to keep this post somewhat reasonable, I'll stick strictly to the essentials you actually need to know about "Underworld."

Vampire: The Masquerade. So, the movie basically centers on a war between two clans—or species, or whatever—werewolves and vampires, who couldn't be more different if they tried. The vampires are what you’d call Lawful Evil in D&D terms: systematically, methodically evil and incredibly decadent. You can tell by the fact that their Death Squads all sport Gestapo-style trench coats, and instead of standard targets at the shooting range, they have these 300-year-old statues (as if to say, "Yes, I'm a vampire! Life is a total mess! Here, kid, go ahead and suck on this cigarette!"). On top of that, the vampires live in a manor that is essentially one giant brothel. It's filled with women who are incredibly hot, all decked out in these 1920s-style black lace outfits. Running the whole brothel is this absolute PIMP-orrrrrr!!111 named—significantly—Kraven (which, for those of you lacking an English vocabulary, means "coward"). You can tell he's a PIMP-orrrrrr!!111 because:

He has a penchant for the tacky and the gaudy: think diamond-encrusted shirts and enough costume jewelry to make a Vegas showgirl blush.
The second guy always manages to have at least two Hos and Bitches trailing right behind him.
The typical way those Bitches like Kate Beckinsale act when they start catching feelings for a client: "Yo, yo, yo, pretty vampire momma! You aren't giving him up for nothing!"

The only entity more dangerous than PIMP-orrrrrr is PIMPMASTER GENERAL—the one Kate awakened, who essentially turned her into the Ho and Bitch she is today. That’s how incredibly cool he is. As for PIMP-orrrrrr, he's such a pathetic loser he can't even manage to climb a ladder. What a total clown.

Werewolves. Vampires and werewolves have been bitter rivals since that old 1956 flick, "Vampire meets Werewolf." Personally, I’ve always classified werewolves as Chaotic Evil—not just because they're inherently malicious, but because they lack any semblance of organization. They live in the sewers, blast heavy metal constantly, pick up their clothes at Caritas, and source their weapons from black market dealers or by hijacking trucks from former US Military depots. It’s also pretty obvious they fall under the Chaotic Evil category because their entire motivation seems to be causing absolute mayhem for the sake of it. You could tell the moment the first one appeared on screen; half the audience reacted with nothing but pure shock and disbelief. Given how much chaos Bareta can stir up on his own, you can only imagine what kind of lunatics he’s leading. On a side note, I finally understand why that guy in the music video was able to snuff out those candles with his bare chest—I suppose that's just what happens when you're a freaking werewolf.

Ben So, for all the ladies out there, just channel your inner Ben from Felicity! Wuhu! There you have it, girls—you finally get to see what happens after Ben breaks up with Felicity and leaves the show to study to be a medical technician. The guy moves to a different city, keeps studying, works in some greasy takeout joint, and lives in a crappy apartment. He even changes his name to Michael, which is clearly a symbolic way to sever all ties with his past. Then, suddenly, Kate Beckinsale shows up, pins him against a wall like he’s a literal toy, and then the werewolves attack because he’s apparently incredibly important to them. Go Ben! A moment later, the guy is in Kate's Jaguar, shouting things like, "Shit! What am I even doing here?! I should have stayed with Felicity! I'm in the wrong series, for Pete's sake! Lemme out!" And then Kate just mocks his bitching and moaning—which he clearly picked up from Felicity and her overly New Agey style of self-analysis—so she can go medieval on him. I suppose Kate was actually born in the Middle Ages, and mass deaths from the plague do tend to sharpen one's priorities in life.

Just because you're a vampire doesn't mean you actually know how to drive; some people would still end up crashing straight into a marina. It's always the women drivers. Even after six hundred years of immortality, they still haven't mastered the simple art of shifting gears manually. Such a shame about the Jaguar.

Location - I’m actually kind of annoyed I didn't realize this sooner, because I would have gladly signed up to be an extra in a cornfield just to have some Ho! & Bitch drink my blood, but apparently Underworld was filmed in Washington, D.C. I recognized it immediately by the charmingly "dilapidated and crumbling" aesthetic of most of the building facades shown in the movie.

Kate Beckinsale – and her wonderful, wonderful... latex suit! Not that I'm complaining, though! The suit is great, she’s hot, she’s clearly all-natural, pulls off some pretty impressive moves, has two guns with infinite ammo (which are definitely some kind of vampires themselves), the suit is great, and did I mention the suit is totally awesome? She’s about 5'7" of pure iron-fistin', gun-flinchin', teeth-bitin', belltower-jumpin' action. Awesome! Also, I think she really enjoys slamming both sides of double doors open dramatically, because she does it about four times in the film. She loves it so much she seemingly doesn't know how to use a regular door without kicking it down. And then her PIMP-orrrrrr tells her she doesn't know how to enjoy the little things in (un)life!

Kate's friend – incredibly hot! Seriously, hot! Kate is great, but since she's the lead, she has to be. But this girl is also totally gorgeous (I currently have her as my desktop wallpaper): a pale, blonde vampire dressed in nothing but black lace with a British accent! At one point, she gives Kate advice on what to wear to a formal dinner, pulls out a *sheer black top*, and goes, “Oh, that would look lovely on you!” And then when she looks at Ben lying on the bed and sees his wound, she hisses like a cat and leaps toward the ceiling... Incredible! To borrow a line from Stifler: SUCK ME BEAUTIFULL!

Overall: as much as I mocked and laughed at this movie, it actually possesses—unlike, say, Resident Evil—enough coolness and style (and at least three hot women) to compensate for all the nonsense we see, making it money well spent in my book. The wardrobe is cool, the soundtrack is pumping even though it's not my usual genre, the fights are solid, and I really dig the idea of filming through a blue filter. I also love how distinct the vampires and werewolves are, and how Sony basically ripped off EVERYTHING from the White Wolf games, which totally justifies why they got sued for copyright infringement. To wrap it up: yeah, now I get why everyone mocks the people who play Vampire: The Masquerade and those ultra-angsty White Wolf games, but I also envy them. Their RPG actually got a fun and decent adaptation, while D&D got... well, it got "Dungeons & Dragons," a movie so bad that Jeremy Irons took a job as an oil driller in Iraq right after.
Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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#28 ·
casualotter21 said:Vampire: The Masquerade... So, the movie is essentially about a war between two clans—or species, or whatever—werewolves versus vampires, who couldn't be more different if they tried. The vampires are what you'd call Lawful Evil in D&D terms: methodically, systematically evil and incredibly decadent. You can tell by the fact that their Death Squads all sport those classic Gestapo-style trench coats, and instead of regular targets at the shooting range, they have these 300-year-old statues standing there (imagine them saying, "Yes, I'm a vampire! Life is a total mess! Here, kid, go ahead and suck on this cigarette!"). Plus, the vampires live in a manor that’s basically one giant brothel. Everything is super feminine, filled with these incredibly hot women dressed in 1920s black lace outfits. Running the whole brothel is the absolute PIMP-orrrrrr!!111 known—quite appropriately—as Kraven...

That’s exactly why I want to be a vampire...

casualotter21 said:He just loves everything tacky and gaudy: I'm talking diamond-encrusted shirts and enough cheap jewelry to make a Vegas high roller blush...
Every guy out there always seems to have at least two Hos and Bitches following him around...
A little tip for when Kate Beckinsale starts catching feelings for a client: "Yo, yo, yo, pretty vampire momma! You aren't giving him up for nothing!"

I honestly thought he looked up to Elvis Presley, but it turns out the guy's just a total creep...

casualotter21 said:We also know they’re definitely Chaotic Evil because their whole goal is just pure, unadulterated mayhem!!!! It's 100% certain because when that guy first showed up, half the audience in the theater was basically screaming, "What kind of maniac is this?!!!!" We all know what he's like, so you can only imagine the kind of werewolves he's running with! Also, I finally get why he could just snuff out those cigarettes on his chest in that music video... I mean, the guy is a freaking werewolf.

Look, I called out Thompson because he looks almost identical—just a bit thinner—so he reminds me of Bareta. If you haven't noticed, Thompson is wearing that badge around his neck...

casualotter21 said:Too bad about the Jaguar.

There was just one single scene that actually pushed me to the point of tears...

casualotter21 said:I also think she absolutely loves slamming both sides of double doors open dramatically, since she does that at least four times in the movie. She’s so obsessed with it that she practically forgets how to use normal doors—she’d rather just kick them wide open every single time. And then her PIMP-orrrrrr tells her she doesn't know how to enjoy the little things in (un)life!

It’s not even about me personally, but more about those moments in a massive estate where someone incredibly important is walking in a group of four or five—or maybe just Kat by herself—and this absolutely killer track starts playing. Everyone just watches them stride from one side of the hallway to the other... exactly four times...

casualotter21 said:Kate's friend —so hot! Seriously, she is hot!


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casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#29 ·
Justin Patel said:Look, I called out Thompson because he looks remarkably similar—just a bit thinner—which is why he reminds me of Bareta. In case you hadn't noticed, Thompson is wearing that badge around his neck.

Relying on Thompson for something like that seems a bit optimistic, given the astronomical odds against him actually being useful. He might at least throw a decent song or two your way.
And it isn't just that; it’s when, say, someone incredibly important walks through a massive manor accompanied by a group of four or five people, or when Kat is walking alone, and there's this incredibly cool soundtrack playing while everyone watches people pace from one end of a hallway to the other... the same loop four times over.

...meanwhile, the riffraff sits in those chairs for five days straight without moving an inch because they're vampires, spending twenty-four hours a day obsessing over how empty and meaningless life is, how everything is terrible and Chaotic Evil, and how art is fleeting while death and love are the only constants, followed by some "life sucks: here, kid, have a cigarette" nonsense. Exactly.
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Her name is Sophia Myles, if you're curious. There are a few websites dedicated to her online.
Eric Jackson43 Eric Jackson43 Active Member
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#30 ·
casualotter21:
I think I picked up from some movie why all those other RPG geeks love to make fun of people playing White Wolf games by calling them ridiculous.

My bad for going off-topic, but honestly, most of them just mock it because of those MASSIVE little... well, you know... 🙂
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#31 ·
Eric Jackson4 said:Apologies for the off-topic tangent, but they really are making a mockery of it all because of those damn tiny little details... 🙂

I heard from Elizabeth Harris6 that you only need one point in the "Driving" skill to actually operate a vehicle. Apparently, the cap is five. That isn't even the ridiculous part; the real joke is that you supposedly need two points just to start the engine and handle a manual transmission.
Figures. He’s just trying to make excuses for why Kate had such a rough time driving that Jaguar.
Betty Ward86 Betty Ward86 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Location — I’m honestly kicking myself for not realizing this back then. If I had known, I would have signed up to be an extra in a cornfield just for the chance to have some Ho! & Bitches drink my blood on camera. But apparently, Underworld was filmed right here in Washington, D.C. I recognized it immediately by that charmingly "crumbling and neglected" aesthetic of most of the building facades you see in the shots.

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New York City, kid, New York City....
Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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#33 ·
casualotter21 said:In case you were wondering, his wife's name is Sophia Myles. She has a few websites online.


Drop the links.
Samuel Morgan5 Samuel Morgan5 Newcomer
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#34 ·
Pfft! I heard Jay Price mention that you only need one point in "driving" to get behind the wheel. Since the cap is five, that’s hardly a joke. What's actually hilarious is that you need two points just to start the engine and handle a manual transmission!

It's clear you know your way around an RPG, so a question like that caught me off guard—I figured you were already deep into D&D, Star Trek, or some other RPG system. 🙄

If I'm right, then you should definitely realize that an RPG isn't real life.
The same goes for fantasy movies; you don't have to judge them by how realistic they are.
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#35 ·
Samuel Morgan5 said:It seems you know a thing or two about RPGs, so I’m a bit surprised by the question. I'm assuming you play, or have played, D&D, Star Trek, or some other RPG. 🙄
If my assumption holds, then you should realize that an RPG isn't real life.

True, it isn't. And?
By that logic, you shouldn't watch fantasy movies through a realistic lens either.

Why not?
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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joined Feb 2003
#36 ·
I mindlessly flicked on NBC during dinner tonight. I was sitting there watching some mindless American music videos when suddenly, out of nowhere, a clip popped up using scenes from Underworld! "Are you kidding me?" I thought. It’s a common trope... okay, it *used* to be a common trope, where if a music video uses clips from a movie, the song or the video actually has at least SOME connection to the plot. But now? I’m listening to this song featuring Underworld footage, and the lyrics are completely soul-less—just generic stuff like "working nine to five, what a way to make a living" or whatever. BUT! The connection becomes painfully obvious very soon because this is a song by Bart! HA! There you have it, folks! It’s OBVIOUS! Bart is actually the main werewolf from Underworld, and he’s just gone into hiding in a small town in Montana because nobody’s going to come looking for him there! No wonder he wanted to use scenes from the movie in his video! QED! Q.! E.! D.!

<bows>
Justin Patel Justin Patel Active Member
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#37 ·
casualotter21 said:Earlier tonight, I mindlessly flipped on NBC during dinner. I’m sitting there watching these mindless American music videos when suddenly, out of nowhere, a video pops up using clips from Underworld! "Seriously?" I thought. It’s common practice... well, it USED to be common practice, where if you use movie scenes in a video, the song actually has SOME connection to the plot. But now? I’m listening to this track featuring Underworld footage, and the lyrics are just completely soulless—something like "working nine to five, what a way to make a living!" or whatever. BUT! The connection becomes blindingly obvious very soon because this is a song by Bart! HA! There you have it, folks! IT’S OBVIOUS! Bart is actually the main werewolf from Underworld, and he’s just hiding out in a small town in the Midwest because nobody's going to look for him there! No wonder he wanted those movie scenes in his video! QED! Q.! E.! D.!

Regards,

Fine, let it be Bart, though he reminds me more of Thompson lately.
Mozhda, Bart has just assimilated into Thompson.
Fewer taxes to pay.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#38 ·
It’s basically just a retold story, all wrapped up in those tired old clichés you've seen a thousand times before—you know, a little bit of Blade, a touch of Matrix, and a whole lot of digital nonsense. Honestly, the only thing missing from the whole experience was a damn joystick.
rapidstag74 rapidstag74 Active Member
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#39 ·
casualotter21 said:I mindlessly flipped on NBC during dinner tonight. As I'm sitting there watching these mindless American music videos, some clip starts playing that uses scenes straight out of Underworld. "Coincidence?" I thought. It's common practice... well, it USED to be common practice, that when movie clips are used in a video, the song actually has SOME connection to the plot. But now I'm listening to this track featuring Underworld footage, and the lyrics are completely soulless—just stuff like "working nine to five, what a way to make a living" or something equally vapid. BUT! The connection becomes obvious pretty fast because this is a song by Bart! HA! There you have it, folks! It's obvious! Bart is actually the main werewolf from Underworld, and he's just hiding out in rural Montana where nobody will look for him! No wonder he wanted movie scenes in his video! QED! Q.! E.! D.!

<nod>

I also caught a glimpse of Bart doing some kind of stunt jumping over a car in the trailer.

When on earth is that movie actually hitting theaters here? The rest of the world has had the DVD on sale since January 6th. I feel like we've been sent back to the stone age—like it's 2000 all over again, everyone else has seen the film and we're still stuck waiting.
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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#40 ·
Nephrite said:Also, I saw Barrett pulling some kind of stunt jumping over a car in the trailer.

Anyway, when on earth is this movie actually hitting theaters here? In the rest of the world, the DVD has been out since January 6th. I feel like we've been tossed back into the dark ages—like it's 2000 again—where everyone else has seen the movie while we're just sitting here waiting.


Look, it's been playing in our downtown theaters for ages, but it takes a little while to reach the California coast. 🙂

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