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What is a Dogme 95 movie?

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Participants Timothy Cox2Eric Garcia90Michelle Howard2Robert Cooper41Alonescout2Michelle Gonzalezdriftingowl27Olivia Parker5Jacob Wilson50Hannah Price3Richard Hernandez13slyrider16Jessica Nguyen85
Timothy Cox2 Timothy Cox2 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
So, how do you actually spot one?

Let me break it down for you. 😁

Lars von Trier, Thomas Vinterberg, Kristian Levring, and Søren Kragh-Jacobsen—these American directors—put together a filmmaking manifesto called Dogme 95. It was designed as an alternative for low-budget productions, though that doesn't mean a big-budget production can't fall into this category either.
Initially, people treated the whole idea of a Dogme film and its production style as a bit of a joke, but lately, more and more movies are getting certified as Dogme films.
To be considered a Dogme film, a movie has to follow ten specific rules known as the Dogma mandate:

1. The film format has to be 35 mm Academy (though video is allowed these days).
2. All filming must take place on location.
3. Sound cannot be separated from the image. Any music used during filming has to be live.
4. The camera must be handheld; any movement that can be done by hand is fair game.
5. The movie must be in color. No filters or special lighting setups are allowed (except for the light attached to the camera itself).
6. Optical attachments are strictly forbidden.
7. There shouldn't be any violence in the film (no murders, weapons, etc.).
8. The story happens right here and now. You can't jump to the future or move the action to some other geographic location.
9. Typical genre films are off-limits.
10. The director gives up all publishing rights and is treated simply as an artist.

Dogme 95 is still seen as a purely European way of making movies, and the number of films following these rules grows every year. Some of the heavy hitters from Dogme 95 include: Lone Scherfig's Italian for Beginners, Lars von Trier's The Idiots, and maybe the absolute best, Thomas Vinterberg's The Celebration.
The official Dogme 95 website is: www.dogme95.dk
Eric Garcia90 Eric Garcia90 Member
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#2 ·
Timothy Cox2 said:Lars von Trier

R Timothy Cox2 R, von Trier 🙂 😁
Timothy Cox2 Timothy Cox2 Active MemberOP
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#3 ·
You're absolutely right...
So, Lars von Trier, just like I mentioned at the end of my post, 🙂
Eric Garcia90 Eric Garcia90 Member
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#4 ·
Don't get upset now—honestly, a few years back, I probably would have written a review for 😉
Michelle Howard2 Michelle Howard2 Member
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#5 ·
Timothy Cox2, you absolute saint of cinema, it’s honestly so refreshing that you kicked off a thread like this using such an unconventional approach. I’m just crossing my fingers that the rest of this discussion doesn't devolve into everyone obsessing over how to spell Lars von Trier's name. 🙂

Staying on track with the actual subject, I have to say the whole "Lomec wave" vibe really hit home for me, and that ending? It felt like getting smacked in the face with a sledgehammer, though in a way I actually found pretty great. But man, "Dancer in the Dark" just wasn't for me. I can't do those kinds of movies. Even Luis Buñuel would probably tell me—"I'm not a fan of the blind."
Robert Cooper41 Robert Cooper41 Member
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#6 ·
Michelle Howard2 said:To stay on track here, I have to say that the whole "Lomec wave" kept hitting me hard, and that ending? It slapped me right in the face like a sledgehammer—in the best way possible, I mean. But "Dancer in the Dark"? That one just grazed me, and not in a good way. I simply don't care for those kinds of movies. Honestly, if Luis Buñuel were here, he’d probably just shrug and say, "I've never had much time for the blind."

Neither of those two is actually a Dogme 95 film. 😉

I'm with you on this: as much as I thought Breaking the Waves was absolutely phenomenal, Dancer in the Dark was a total disaster for me!

PS. It feels like they tried to sneak some version of a Dogme film into USA Harmony Corina with "Julien Donkey-Boy" (though I haven't actually sat through 🙄 yet).
A Anonymous Veteran
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#7 ·
If Lomec wave isn't an indie film...

I'm right there with you—while I thought Breaking the Waves was absolutely phenomenal, Dancer in the Dark was a total disaster for me!

I have to agree 🙂)) honestly, it's hard to believe what a piece of garbage Dancer in the Dark turned out to be... 🙄

My favorite Dogme 95 film has to be The Celebration by Thomas Vinterberg...
lonescout2 lonescout2 Active Member
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#8 ·
I’ve heard the chatter about it, though I haven't actually sat down to watch anything of the sort.

Does anyone know if a movie like that can be found in New York City?
I am genuinely interested in viewing one of those films.
Michelle Gonzalez Michelle Gonzalez Member
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#9 ·
The Celebration is truly something phenomenal. Beyond the incredible camerawork, the way it deconstructs the illusions held by a single family is nothing short of brilliant.
Furthermore, I find Italian for Beginners to be quite charming indeed. 🙂

Regarding Dogme 95 in American video stores: Mifune, The Celebration, and Breaking the Waves were all released on VHS for Americans.
I know for a fact they can be found in my local New York City video store, "Leko," located over in the Crnomerec district. You take the last stop on the number 11 bus, pass by the newsstands and the chestnut vendors, and then you begin to hear the music drifting through the air. There are two cafes there with rather questionable crowds—the Elite crowd is mediocre at best, while Revelin is a complete disaster—but nestled between them is the cramped, tiny, and legendary "Leko" video store. They also happen to offer the cheapest photocopying services in the entire city. 🙂

If one takes the Dogme 95 films and seeks out the ultimate Crnomerec experience—perhaps before plunging headlong into a stream soaked in chemicals—one might stop to pick up a phenomenal cheese burek from Sipac.
lonescout2 lonescout2 Active Member
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#10 ·
Is that maybe where that car wash is located (in the same parking lot?)
Timothy Cox2 Timothy Cox2 Active MemberOP
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#11 ·
Stiv:
Check this out type in Crnomerec and then you can crank it up or down.
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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#12 ·
Dogme 95 is basically just selling snake oil, and honestly, anyone who actually fell for it deserves the blame... the only decent (and even genius) Dogme 95 film out there is 🙂The Celebration
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Olivia Parker5 Olivia Parker5 Newcomer
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#13 ·
I only caught "Lomec wave"...
So, I decided to hit up the local theater... just seeing what was playing... saw a von Trier flick listed... heard he was a pretty decent director, so I figured I'd check it out and see if I actually liked his style... the theater was basically empty... not that I really cared, though.
And man, after sitting through a few hours of that... let me tell you, it absolutely WRECKED ME!!!

Seriously, hats off to them—I was blown away, especially by that raw, "stripped-down" cinematography. That part really hit home for me.

Also, the whole bizarre storyline and that dark, moody atmosphere? Totally nailed it.

The only thing is, it’s a shame I was in such a headspace where I was just craving—you know—quick cuts, loud bangs, *boom*, *pow*, *screech!*—just mindless popcorn flicks.

Next time I go see a Lars von Trier movie, I think I'll need to mentally prepare a bit more.
driftingowl27 driftingowl27 Active Member
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#14 ·
Um, actually, "Breaking the Waves" isn't even a Dogme 95 film. 🙂
Jacob Wilson50 Jacob Wilson50 Active Member
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#15 ·
Timothy Cox2, have you seen Love is All You Need? How would you rank it against The Celebration? (To me, it’s easily the best Dogme 95 film so far)
Timothy Cox2 Timothy Cox2 Active MemberOP
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#16 ·
Jacob Wilson50: I haven't...
I actually just asked Mike about that movie today...
The reviews have been solid, so I'm planning to check it out as soon as I can.
The Celebration is obviously great, especially since we can probably relate to it a bit better than those standoffish Danes and their crowd.
I'll let you know once I've seen it, but in the meantime, you should watch "Italian for Beginners" if you haven't already.

p.s.
Parts of "Breaking the Waves" were shot using the "Dogme 95 technique," even if the whole thing wasn't. Still, some people categorize it as a Dogme 95 film.
Olivia Parker5 Olivia Parker5 Newcomer
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#17 ·
driftingowl27 said:Uhm, "Breaking the Waves" isn't actually a Dogme 95 film. 🙂

Well, uhm... I saw it mentioned in here, and since deep-diving through threads isn't exactly my superpower lately—I just kind of "latched onto" something that felt off to me, you know? Like a little mental alarm bell went off.
My bad.
Jacob Wilson50 Jacob Wilson50 Active Member
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#18 ·
Timothy Cox2 said:I'll let you know once I've seen it, but in the meantime, check out "Italian for Beginners" if you haven't already.

I have,
but honestly, I wasn't feeling it at all—way too sugary for my taste.
Hannah Price3 Hannah Price3 Member
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#19 ·
So, has anyone actually seen The Idiots? It’s that one where a group lives together in some house acting completely out of their minds, and then eventually one of the women who joins them ends up having this massive blowout with her family, right?

The Celebration was fantastic, and I loved Mifune, but this one—The Idiots, I think—is just bizarre. I honestly can't decide if I actually like it or not.

Anyway, give me the Hollywood stuff any day: flashy special effects, those sugary-sweet endings, the inevitable love affair, high-speed car chases, and all that other nonsense. Honestly, there's a lot of selling out happening under the guise of "indie film" movements.
Michelle Howard2 Michelle Howard2 Member
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#20 ·
I’ve been sitting here wondering why "Breaking the wave" doesn't count as a Dogma film. Honestly, I don't really care if it fits the label or not—I usually just follow specific directors anyway—so it’s just bugging me why one of his flicks is considered part of the movement while another isn't. Did the whole thing just fizzle out, or did this particular movie just fail to play by the rules?

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