Ban on selling and using fireworks

Casey Fowler · 2015-01-01T16:09:23+00:00

If the US Federal Government is going to ban firearms outside of specific legal frameworks, then why aren't we seeing similar restrictions on firecrackers, fla…

velvetmaker3 Regular

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#21 · Jan 2, 2015

goldenviper752 said:And yet, some folks find plenty of use for fireworks when they want to lift their spirits during the New Year's Eve festivities.

That isn't "useful." Real utility is when a car gets you from point A to point B. Firecrackers have zero practical value; they exist just for the sake of existing. It's nothing but mindless aggression and acting like an idiot. They should be banned, and anyone who ignores the ban should be hit with heavy penalties.

Kimberly Smith6 Member

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#22 · Jan 2, 2015

It isn't actually about the firecrackers themselves, but rather the absolute moron behind them. You see kids running around with explosives because their parents are being negligent and frankly, just plain foolish. Whenever you run into a kid acting out or causing trouble, you can bet your life that's just a direct reflection of how they were raised at home.
Children are essentially just a mirror held up to their parents' upbringing.

As for me, I didn't set off a single firecracker this New Year's Eve, but I'm still not advocating for a ban on them; I think people should be allowed to have some fun during that one day of the year when there's almost nothing else to celebrate, especially since everything in this country feels like it's falling apart right now.

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#23 · Jan 2, 2015

Kimberly Smith6 said:It isn't actually about the firecrackers themselves, but rather the absolute moron behind them. You see kids running around with explosives because their parents are being negligent and frankly, just plain foolish. Whenever you run into a kid acting out or causing trouble, you can bet your life that's just a direct reflection of how they were raised at home.
Children are essentially just a mirror held up to their parents' upbringing.

As for me, I didn't set off a single firecracker this New Year's Eve, but I'm still not advocating for a ban on them; I think people should be allowed to have some fun during that one day of the year when there's almost nothing else to celebrate, especially since everything in this country feels like it's falling apart right now.

😁

People can find joy in a great book,
watching a movie, hanging out with family, going for a walk,
...

but fireworks and those kinds of things,
are definitely not how you celebrate!

Alexander Thompson Active Member

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#24 · Jan 2, 2015

Which flavor of Post Malone's fan club is swimming in here 😬...

I mean, why stop there? Let’s just ban skydiving, booze, greasy burgers, motorcycles, rock climbing, jet skis, kite flying, weed... oops... I guess we can all find ways to have fun without all that stuff, right? 😉

goldenviper752 Member

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#25 · Jan 2, 2015

velvetmaker3 said:That isn't "useful." Real utility is when a car gets you from point A to point B. Firecrackers have zero practical value; they exist just for the sake of existing. It's nothing but mindless aggression and acting like an idiot. They should be banned, and anyone who ignores the ban should be hit with heavy penalties.

Oh, come on, how can you say there's no utility? If someone uses them responsibly, it isn't dangerous at all—plus, for those who enjoy the spectacle, it’s a incredibly cheap way to boost one's mood.

And frankly, if someone is truly bothered by a few days out of the entire 365-day year, they probably have much larger issues to deal with elsewhere.

As far as I'm concerned, let people let loose from 10:00 PM on New Year's Eve until 2:00 AM on New Year's Day—but I'm certainly not advocating for a total ban.

Charles Lopez3 Active Member

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#26 · Jan 2, 2015

Alexander Thompson said:Which flavor of Post Malone's fan club is swimming in here 😬...

I mean, why stop there? Let’s just ban skydiving, booze, greasy burgers, motorcycles, rock climbing, jet skis, kite flying, weed... oops... I guess we can all find ways to have fun without all that stuff, right? 😉

😁

basically anything risky
that happens to be within reach of immature,
unreliable people - should just be outlawed.
- needs to be banned.
And then everyone suffers:
users,
bystanders,
kids,
their families,
animals,
property,
...
society itself.

brightheron64 Regular

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#27 · Jan 2, 2015

A ban on fireworks? Oh, come on now...

Allowing people to buy fireworks openly—provided they undergo strict safety inspections to ensure they aren't outright lethal—is easily the best way to handle this. Once you accept that humans have this innate, restless urge to play with fire and loud noises, you realize that having high safety standards and a low injury rate is much better than anything else, even if nothing in this world is ever truly idiot-proof...

I still get flashbacks to those "darker" days when you couldn't just walk into a local shop and buy something safe; instead, you had to deal with shady street dealers, or worse, every kid in the neighborhood had to turn into a makeshift chemist just to have some fun. We used to make these DIY devices using steel tubes filled with gunpowder or, more commonly, just crushed match heads, or little explosive caps made by tightening two metal washers together around a mixture. There were even homemade firecrackers using a specific blend of manganese, aluminum powder, and sulfur with a wick made from a spray nozzle... and perhaps the most terrifying option of all was the old carbide tin bomb.

Once commercial firecrackers became widely available, it actually helped phase out those carbide bombs, which were arguably the cheapest and most dangerous way to celebrate. The "procedure" was essentially a recipe for disaster: you’d take an old paint can, poke a hole in the bottom, toss in a chunk of calcium carbide, spit on it, snap the lid shut, stomp on it to seal it tight, and then hold a lit match to that little hole. The resulting reaction between the carbide and the moisture created acetylene gas, leading to a massive explosion. It took a certain level of reckless skill to pull it off, because if you miscalculated the amount of gas, the whole thing would basically act like a handheld grenade, sending shrapnel flying everywhere... and it wasn't uncommon for a flying lid to send someone nearby on a very sudden, very violent trip to the emergency room.

So, honestly, we should be grateful that we have regulated, professionally manufactured fireworks available today. The responsibility really falls on us to sit down with our kids and teach them about moderation and how to handle these things responsibly...

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#28 · Jan 2, 2015

Fireworks are perfectly legal for just a few days out of the year, and honestly, I think that’s fine.

Charles Lopez3 Active Member

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#29 · Jan 2, 2015

James Nguyen13 said:Fireworks are perfectly legal for just a few days out of the year, and honestly, I think that’s fine.

That’s all well and good if you're some greedy corporate shark
and a total sociopath.

Peter Morgan3 Active Member

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#30 · Jan 2, 2015

Firecrackers are quite effective at deterring moles.
☕

Chris Fowler4 Member

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#31 · Jan 2, 2015

Susan Lee said:Because this country is a total mess. We’re seeing more and more assaults, robberies, rapes, kidnappings... and yet they go ahead and ban guns. Honestly, we need weapons for self-defense way more than we need cheap fireworks that’ll just end up costing you a finger or an eye. What can I say? The idiots are running the show. 👎

Just your typical chatterbox who hasn't a clue what they're talking about.
In the US, serious crime rates have actually dropped compared to previous years.
It’s honestly wild how people on these forums constantly dump unverified, flat-out fake news everywhere.

Chris Fowler4 Member

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#32 · Jan 2, 2015

Drew Booth60 said:What the hell does that have to do with the Middle East???
If I remember correctly, spending on firecrackers in Germany is well over 200 million euros, easily🤔
Last night, three people died because of fireworks in some non-Middle Eastern part of Germany... so there's that☕
Banning fireworks would be about as effective as thinking banning alcohol in the USA is a "smart idea"

Some people love to blame everything on the Middle East, but honestly, they clearly haven't the slightest clue what's actually happening in the world.
Of course, everything in America is a total disaster, just because we live in the States.

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#33 · Jan 2, 2015

Charles Lopez3 said:😁

People can find joy in a great book,
watching a movie, hanging out with family, going for a walk,
...

but fireworks and those kinds of things,
are definitely not how you celebrate!

Honestly, man, I mean—do you really think everyone enjoys reading books, especially when they’re about such complete nonsense? And who actually wants to go for a walk in sub-zero temperatures when it's freezing outside? 😬
Movies and spending time together, though, those are things people actually do every single day.

People set off firecrackers because they want to celebrate, not because they’re mourning some tragedy.
It’s just one day where they get to feel some joy, because for the rest of the year, most people are just dealing with the grind—the recession, the struggle to make ends meet, heartbreak, sickness, funerals, pure boredom, and all that mental and physical exhaustion from work or school, blah blah blah, you name it!

Personally, I didn't throw anything, and I didn't even bother watching the fireworks, even though I had the perfect view from the top of a hill overlooking half of Washington, D.C., simply because I wasn't in the mood to celebrate at all.
If I'm not in the spirit to celebrate, then let everyone else have their fun. I don't see what my personal mood has to do with stopping them; it's a bit arrogant to assume that my lack of enthusiasm should somehow dictate how others enjoy themselves, isn't it?

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#34 · Jan 2, 2015

goldenviper752 said:Oh, come on, how can you say there's no utility? If someone uses them responsibly, it isn't dangerous at all—plus, for those who enjoy the spectacle, it’s a incredibly cheap way to boost one's mood.

And frankly, if someone is truly bothered by a few days out of the entire 365-day year, they probably have much larger issues to deal with elsewhere.

As far as I'm concerned, let people let loose from 10:00 PM on New Year's Eve until 2:00 AM on New Year's Day—but I'm certainly not advocating for a total ban.

The reality is that kids are mostly the ones using them, and they use them incredibly irresponsibly—throwing them at other kids, tossing them in the air, or letting them land wherever. They land so close to people sometimes that it's a miracle we don't see more injuries. They throw them under cars so people think they have a flat tire, and stuff like that. We shouldn't have to be victims of unruly kids running wild.
If something doesn't exist, it can't be abused.
And who is this actually boosting their mood? Is anyone really in a bad mood until they light a few firecrackers? Not really. It just boosts their mood to act out.

Ban the product, then go after the smugglers and the consumers—basically, those unruly kids—and they won't bother doing it again once they face some consequences.
It's hard to wipe it out entirely, but you could certainly cut down on it with decent enforcement.

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#35 · Jan 2, 2015

Real joy comes from music, dancing, games, and good food... Malice and cruelty have absolutely nothing to do with Christmas or the holiday spirit. Honestly, kids caught setting off firecrackers should probably just be sent straight to boot camp. I guess UNICEF can whine about armed children all they want, but it’s pretty obvious these little sociopaths were just doing what they wanted.

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#36 · Jan 2, 2015

Kimberly Smith6 said:It isn't actually about the firecrackers themselves, but rather the absolute moron behind them. You see kids running around with explosives because their parents are being negligent and frankly, just plain foolish. Whenever you run into a kid acting out or causing trouble, you can bet your life that's just a direct reflection of how they were raised at home.
Children are essentially just a mirror held up to their parents' upbringing.

As for me, I didn't set off a single firecracker this New Year's Eve, but I'm still not advocating for a ban on them; I think people should be allowed to have some fun during that one day of the year when there's almost nothing else to celebrate, especially since everything in this country feels like it's falling apart right now.

Dammit, most people outgrow it after a few years of heavy usage, or just by getting older. My crew and I moved past it after we blew through an entire arsenal one New Year (roughly 6,000 different pieces—firecrackers, dozens of standard rockets, some fireworks, hell, I can't even remember what else). Significantly, nobody got hurt that night, even though there were about ten of us kids blasting away.
After that, none of us ever touched a firecracker again. It's been at least 15 years since then.

People grow out of it. It's only permitted during those few days of the year, so I think we should just let it be. If someone wants to act like the Grinch during that time, they can go read a book in a soundproof room with no windows.😁

I agree firecrackers are a problem if used irresponsibly, but the solution is education, not bans. If I started demanding a ban on everything that gets on my nerves, the rest of society would be in serious trouble.

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#37 · Jan 2, 2015

placidrider48;52847413 said:Joy comes from music, dancing, games, and great food... Malice and cruelty have absolutely no place in Christmas or holiday celebrations. Kids caught setting off firecrackers should be sent straight to boot camp. Let UNICEF cry all they want about armed children; clearly, these little sociopaths decided this for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, I’ve always appreciated your posts!🙏

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#38 · Jan 2, 2015

nimblelynx7 said:Dammit, most people outgrow it after a few years of heavy usage, or just by getting older. My crew and I moved past it after we blew through an entire arsenal one New Year (roughly 6,000 different pieces—firecrackers, dozens of standard rockets, some fireworks, hell, I can't even remember what else). Significantly, nobody got hurt that night, even though there were about ten of us kids blasting away.
After that, none of us ever touched a firecracker again. It's been at least 15 years since then.

People grow out of it. It's only permitted during those few days of the year, so I think we should just let it be. If someone wants to act like the Grinch during that time, they can go read a book in a soundproof room with no windows.😁

I agree firecrackers are a problem if used irresponsibly, but the solution is education, not bans. If I started demanding a ban on everything that gets on my nerves, the rest of society would be in serious trouble.

Unfortunately, not everyone is lucky enough to live in a house with soundproofing.

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#39 · Jan 2, 2015

A twelve-year-old girl lost an eye because someone decided to toss a firework into a crowd from a balcony. In another spot, a three-year-old was injured, and over in Washington, D.C., thirteen kids ended up in the hospital due to pyrotechnics. Who knows how many more injuries there are across the rest of the US.
If a firework goes off in your own hand, well, that's on you—you messed up or had an accident. But it’s a different story when idiots end up hurting other people. If there was some actual benefit to using these things, maybe it would be an acceptable risk, but there's absolutely no point to it.

Charles Lopez3 Active Member

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#40 · Jan 2, 2015

Kimberly Smith6 said:Honestly, man, I mean—do you really think everyone enjoys reading books, especially when they’re about such complete nonsense? And who actually wants to go for a walk in sub-zero temperatures when it's freezing outside? 😬
Movies and spending time together, though, those are things people actually do every single day.

People set off firecrackers because they want to celebrate, not because they’re mourning some tragedy.
It’s just one day where they get to feel some joy, because for the rest of the year, most people are just dealing with the grind—the recession, the struggle to make ends meet, heartbreak, sickness, funerals, pure boredom, and all that mental and physical exhaustion from work or school, blah blah blah, you name it!

Personally, I didn't throw anything, and I didn't even bother watching the fireworks, even though I had the perfect view from the top of a hill overlooking half of Washington, D.C., simply because I wasn't in the mood to celebrate at all.
If I'm not in the spirit to celebrate, then let everyone else have their fun. I don't see what my personal mood has to do with stopping them; it's a bit arrogant to assume that my lack of enthusiasm should somehow dictate how others enjoy themselves, isn't it?

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😁

Honestly, man, this should be eating at you for a ton of different reasons,
but mostly because of the actual lives being lost.

The youngest victim from this year,
is only three years old.

It is pretty obvious that those supporters have nothing but straw rattling around in their heads,
instead of actual brain matter.

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