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Why is everyone into series more than movies these days?

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Participants William Hall93wiredraven82wanderingpanther68jademarlin29Nicholas Nguyenbluenomad2cosmiclynx57Carl Hill53jadecyclist36goldenhound32shadowangler50hiddenbear4analogpanther55Karen Jackson4Angela Alvarez10James Garcia50Betty Ross6Brian Ross7wearycobra18Kenneth Johnson12silvergardener6Carol Garcia2Noah Harris50Patrick Martin …
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#61 ·
shadowangler50 said:Then who's to blame for your bottom-of-the-barrel standards?

Besides, you're losing it over these new American shows, acting like nothing existed before. As if Americans don't obsessively remake every single European series out there...

jademarlin29 said:Twin Peaks is such a drag—honestly, it’s only iconic because of that killer intro music.

Look, TV shows are just way easier to market, end of story. When you're making a movie, the director doesn't really have room to play around with all those wild tangents or subplots. You’ve gotta explain what happened, how it went down, and why—all within two hours—otherwise, you’re gonna lose the audience fast. Movies have a hard deadline. I guess series are more popular just because the hype builds better; you can feed the fire every single week, whereas with a hit movie, you basically wait until it's finished before you even start promoting it.

The Twilight Zone is probably seventy times better than the stuff people binge nowadays. Or maybe not? Whatever, I’m not watching it. Devil's Printer or The Obsolete Man are plenty good enough "short films" for me, and I'll stick to that illusion. I don't really have the stomach to watch some guy cooking meth in a garage just to take the cash and then deal with the feds breathing down his neck—it's a great premise, sure, but I'm just not ready for it.

Twin Peaks is a masterpiece (not that I even listened to the intro music...)
bluenomad2 bluenomad2 Active Member
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#62 ·
shadowangler50 said:They call it the golden age because we've never seen this many high-quality shows packed into a single era. Sure, there were great shows before, but never this many critically acclaimed hits hitting at once.
Second, it's a golden age because, for the first time, these series are actually outperforming the movies being released alongside them. This is their peak, where they've finally seized dominance from film.

Look, I spend my time scouring the internet for something to watch—new or old—and I've reached the conclusion that modern series are generally superior to the older ones. You can judge based on taste, but I'm judging based on facts.

There was a golden age before too. The internet just makes everything feel like a massive trend.

shadowangler50 said:They call it the golden age because we've never seen this many high-quality shows packed into a single era. Sure, there were great shows before, but never this many critically acclaimed hits hitting at once.
Second, it's a golden age because, for the first time, these series are actually outperforming the movies being released alongside them. This is their peak, where they've finally seized dominance from film.

Look, I spend my time scouring the internet for something to watch—new or old—and I've reached the conclusion that modern series are generally superior to the older ones. You can judge based on taste, but I'm judging based on facts.

They haven't overtaken anything, and they never will.

You don't understand what a golden age actually implies. For you, it's only a golden age because they're more 🤣

Do some actual research on the golden age of television http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Television

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/how_...den_age_of_tv/

Read this as well: Hill Street Blues, Twin Peaks, The X-Files, ER...

shadowangler50 said:They call it the golden age because we've never seen this many high-quality shows packed into a single era. Sure, there were great shows before, but never this many critically acclaimed hits hitting at once.
Second, it's a golden age because, for the first time, these series are actually outperforming the movies being released alongside them. This is their peak, where they've finally seized dominance from film.

Look, I spend my time scouring the internet for something to watch—new or old—and I've reached the conclusion that modern series are generally superior to the older ones. You can judge based on taste, but I'm judging based on facts.

You didn't offer facts, just your opinion. I gave you the facts. There are books written about previous golden ages of television—various analyses and influences. That's a fact. What you're claiming is basically a fabrication with zero foundation.

What you wrote is perfectly clear. If it's a golden age, then you assume series are automatically better than movies, which is why I pointed out that there were golden ages before, meaning series were already better back then.

Of course they aren't. Movies will always be better.
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#63 ·
bluenomad2

These books are all about those supposed golden ages of television—just endless analyses and theories about what influenced what.

The thing is, those books are just someone’s personal preferences and biases, and honestly, I couldn't care less about what some random critic thinks. I mean, I really don't obsess over movies and shows enough to spend my life reading deep dives into some supposedly "legendary" era of television that doesn't even matter. Why does it matter to you? 🤦

That said, I actually agree with Shadow Dancer that we are living through a brand-new golden age of TV right now. Seriously—never in history have we seen such a massive influx of high-quality shows being released all at once, especially compared to the last few years.
bluenomad2 bluenomad2 Active Member
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#64 ·
James Garcia50 said:Besides, you're losing it over these new American shows, acting like nothing existed before. As if Americans don't obsessively remake every single European series out there...

Twin Peaks is a masterpiece (not that I even listened to the intro music...)

I'd agree. Season one is some of the best television ever made.
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#65 ·
Carl Hill53 said:bluenomad2

These books are all about those supposed golden ages of television—just endless analyses and theories about what influenced what.

The thing is, those books are just someone’s personal preferences and biases, and honestly, I couldn't care less about what some random critic thinks. I mean, I really don't obsess over movies and shows enough to spend my life reading deep dives into some supposedly "legendary" era of television that doesn't even matter. Why does it matter to you? 🤦

That said, I actually agree with Shadow Dancer that we are living through a brand-new golden age of TV right now. Seriously—never in history have we seen such a massive influx of high-quality shows being released all at once, especially compared to the last few years.

Sure, but we're talking about pro critics, not random forum users. Not that you actually have to agree with them, though..
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#66 ·
bluenomad2 said:I'd agree. Season one is some of the best television ever made.

Pffft... yeah, 😵exactly.
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#67 ·
James Garcia50 said:Sure, but we're talking about pro critics, not random forum users. Not that you actually have to agree with them, though..

Are you just going to keep throwing oxymorons at me like that?
wiredraven82 wiredraven82 Active Member
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#68 ·
bluenomad2 said:I'd agree. Season one is some of the best television ever made.

Oh, absolutely—season one was peak performance.🙂

Whenever someone asks me to explain what *Twin Peaks* is all about, I usually just point them toward this specific scene:

Twin Peaks - (dati Cooper Tibetan Lecture)

Dale Cooper is the absolute man! What a character... honestly, I’m convinced he’s the reason I became obsessed with drinking my coffee as fast as humanly possible as a kid. Even now, whenever I grab a cup, I find myself thinking of him—he always, always had to comment on how good it was: "DAMNNNN GOOD COFFEE."😁
bluenomad2 bluenomad2 Active Member
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#69 ·
The Golden Age happened once before. It’s not about personal taste—it's an objective fact. Anyone who actually worked in Television, from the writers and producers to the directors, knows this.

Rod Serling remains one of the most significant figures in the history of the medium, and rightly so. A Golden Age occurs when a wave of series introduces something truly groundbreaking. It isn't defined by popularity, but by the raw innovation and ideas never before seen on screen. We saw it back in the 50s, and the cycle repeats itself constantly. A total Twilight Zone 😁

And now, I'll inevitably have some forum user tell me there was only ever one Golden Age, and that anyone who analyzed previous eras is just a fraud or a liar.
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#70 ·
bluenomad2 said:The Golden Age happened once before. It’s not about personal taste—it's an objective fact. Anyone who actually worked in Television, from the writers and producers to the directors, knows this.

Rod Serling remains one of the most significant figures in the history of the medium, and rightly so. A Golden Age occurs when a wave of series introduces something truly groundbreaking. It isn't defined by popularity, but by the raw innovation and ideas never before seen on screen. We saw it back in the 50s, and the cycle repeats itself constantly. A total Twilight Zone 😁

And now, I'll inevitably have some forum user tell me there was only ever one Golden Age, and that anyone who analyzed previous eras is just a fraud or a liar.

Come on, man—if you're so sure, why don't you list them? Go ahead! Give me those "revolutionary" series from the 50s through the 70s! 🙏 (and don't even get me started on Star Trek)
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#71 ·
What’s going on here? Is this some kind of Wikipedia deep dive? 😉
Karen Jackson4 Karen Jackson4 Newcomer
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#72 ·
jademarlin29 said:Twin Peaks is such a drag—honestly, it’s only iconic because of that killer intro music.

Look, TV shows are just way easier to market, end of story. When you're making a movie, the director doesn't really have room to play around with all those wild tangents or subplots. You’ve gotta explain what happened, how it went down, and why—all within two hours—otherwise, you’re gonna lose the audience fast. Movies have a hard deadline. I guess series are more popular just because the hype builds better; you can feed the fire every single week, whereas with a hit movie, you basically wait until it's finished before you even start promoting it.

The Twilight Zone is probably seventy times better than the stuff people binge nowadays. Or maybe not? Whatever, I’m not watching it. Devil's Printer or The Obsolete Man are plenty good enough "short films" for me, and I'll stick to that illusion. I don't really have the stomach to watch some guy cooking meth in a garage just to take the cash and then deal with the feds breathing down his neck—it's a great premise, sure, but I'm just not ready for it.

Lol, that show is to Television what Casablanca was to Movies back in the day. In Twin Peaks, you have everything Television offers the "average," uncritical viewer—romance, a crime mystery, a small town acting as a mirror for America, and so on—all while simultaneously mocking Television itself and its own clichés—the overacted, theatrical performances, those fake soap operas (TV within TV), the bizarrely formulaic characters, etc. And I don't even need to go into Lynch's stylistic quirks and his unique directorial fingerprint (at least during the first season).
It's fine if you don't like it, but reducing Twin Peaks solely to its music is... well, I don't know... just pointless. Why don't you try rewatching those first eight episodes and then come back here with a different opinion? 🥳

He: I'm not sure if the surge in a series' popularity actually correlates with an increase in quality. There's always junk out there, and the Average Viewer still enjoys Game of Thrones, Big Bang Theory... even Turkish shows.
And besides, what does mainstream cinema even offer these days?
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#73 ·
Carl Hill53 said:Are you just going to keep throwing oxymorons at me like that?

I’m not stalking anyone or throwing around ad hominems like you are; I'm just posting in the Movie - Television thread.

There isn't even a comparison being made here—a Movie is a Movie (and people watch series wherever they want).
shadowangler50 shadowangler50 Member
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#74 ·
James Garcia50 said:Besides, you're losing it over these new American shows, acting like nothing existed before. As if Americans don't obsessively remake every single European series out there...

Twin Peaks is a masterpiece (not that I even listened to the intro music...)

I'm not obsessed with American shows; I'm saying television is better than movies right now. And they aren't necessarily masterpieces—they're just better because modern movies are garbage.
In that sense, maybe I am obsessed with movies, simply because they’ve become such a disaster.
When was the last time I actually watched a movie and felt the urge to see it again?
I watch everything, and yet, nothing sticks.
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#75 ·
James Garcia50 said:I’m not stalking anyone or throwing around ad hominems like you are; I'm just posting in the Movie - Television thread.

There isn't even a comparison being made here—a Movie is a Movie (and people watch series wherever they want).

What on earth are you even talking about?
Kenneth Johnson12 Kenneth Johnson12 Member
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#76 ·
shadowangler50 said:I'm not obsessed with American shows; I'm saying television is better than movies right now. And they aren't necessarily masterpieces—they're just better because modern movies are garbage.
In that sense, maybe I am obsessed with movies, simply because they’ve become such a disaster.
When was the last time I actually watched a movie and felt the urge to see it again?
I watch everything, and yet, nothing sticks.

I haven't been following this debate closely, but I glanced at it. Honestly, I agree. Movies lately have been terrible, especially when it comes to thrillers or comedies. You can still find decent dramas or Sci-Fi, but those other genres are lacking.

On the other hand, excellent series are released constantly. I won't list them since you've already mentioned them here. As for what is happening to the film industry, I truly have no idea. 🤷
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#77 ·
shadowangler50 said:I'm not obsessed with American shows; I'm saying television is better than movies right now. And they aren't necessarily masterpieces—they're just better because modern movies are garbage.
In that sense, maybe I am obsessed with movies, simply because they’ve become such a disaster.
When was the last time I actually watched a movie and felt the urge to see it again?
I watch everything, and yet, nothing sticks.

There's no difference in quality between a series and a movie—bad is bad, good is good.
Where are all these "masterpiece" new shows everyone keeps talking about? I'm clearly missing them.
The title itself is a bit Dubiozan—why does EVERYONE prefer series? Who exactly is this "EVERYONE"?

Carl Hill53 said:What on earth are you even talking about?

Your posts on this thread.
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#78 ·
James Garcia50 said:There's no difference in quality between a series and a movie—bad is bad, good is good.
Where are all these "masterpiece" new shows everyone keeps talking about? I'm clearly missing them.
The title itself is a bit Dubiozan—why does EVERYONE prefer series? Who exactly is this "EVERYONE"?

Your posts on this thread.

Well, maybe consider this post a substitute for a pair of glasses:

HBO
HBO
HBO
HBO
AMC
HBO
Netflix
Dexter
Netflix
Netflix

Regarding your posts in this thread.

My posts are actually great. Honestly, I just can't stand all the pretentious lecturing and "well, actually" nonsense—there seems to be way too much of that going around lately, I guess.
James Garcia50 James Garcia50 Active Member
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#79 ·
Carl Hill53 said:Well, maybe consider this post a substitute for a pair of glasses:

HBO
HBO
HBO
HBO
AMC
HBO
Netflix
Dexter
Netflix
Netflix

Regarding your posts in this thread.

My posts are actually great. Honestly, I just can't stand all the pretentious lecturing and "well, actually" nonsense—there seems to be way too much of that going around lately, I guess.

Dexter is trash; only four shows on your list actually hit.

Everyone thinks their own posts are gold, but that isn't always the case.
If you think someone's being a know-it-all, just keep it to yourself or send them a DM instead of cluttering the thread.
Carl Hill53 Carl Hill53 Member
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#80 ·
James Garcia50 said:Dexter is trash; only four shows on your list actually hit.

Everyone thinks their own posts are gold, but that isn't always the case.
If you think someone's being a know-it-all, just keep it to yourself or send them a DM instead of cluttering the thread.

Twin Peaks is trash.

Yeah, four 🤦 all ☕

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