Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Jesse Sullivan5 said:My latest recommendation: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1643266/?ref_=nv_sr_1--I simply couldn't resist sharing this one!

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Search YouTube for:

Ancient Aliens Debunked - (full movie) HD

Jessica Gonzalez said:It’s not like movies put food on your table or anything. I guess most films are basically just a way to kill some free time. They help you unwind, and maybe—just maybe—you pick up something useful here and there, but at the end of the day, it’s all just entertainment. I suppose art in general is pretty much that—kind of like a nice little extra in an otherwise busy life. But honestly, it would be pretty wild if I started judging you just because you haven't seen Goodfellas.

They feed the mind, too. You could argue anything is "just entertainment" if you look hard enough; names don't really matter. Art can actually be incredibly useful. Creating it or consuming it can teach you huge lessons about yourself and the world, much like philosophy, science, or religion does. Anything rooted in the "spirit" is just a little extra flavor for an otherwise heavy life. So, yeah, I guess you could put it that way.

Typical PBS documentary crowd. I'm currently watching Planet Earth.

Jessica Gonzalez said:Personally, I think I just need documentaries from the BBC—well, more specifically, their series.

1) BBC - Blue Planet
2) BBC - Planet Earth
3) Michael Palin - Pole to Pole

As for scripted shows, I don't really have any recommendations. I've watched plenty, but I guess I just appreciate it most when they focus on the real world; sci-fi and fantasy feel a bit too much like mere playthings to me.

The ones from BBC Horizon and PBS are the absolute best, followed by the others...

Movies are great, but it would be even better if people actually debated what they read. It feels like 99% of the people I know either don't read at all, or they skim something like a Dan Brown thriller and suddenly think they're intellectuals...

Jessica Gonzalez said:Personally, I think I just need documentaries from the BBC—well, more specifically, their series.

1) BBC - Blue Planet
2) BBC - Planet Earth
3) Michael Palin - Pole to Pole

As for scripted shows, I don't really have any recommendations. I've watched plenty, but I guess I just appreciate it most when they focus on the real world; sci-fi and fantasy feel a bit too much like mere playthings to me.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/

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Absolute must-see.

James Anderson5 said:The ones from BBC Horizon and PBS are the absolute best, followed by the others...

Movies are great, but it would be even better if people actually debated what they read. It feels like 99% of the people I know either don't read at all, or they skim something like a Dan Brown thriller and suddenly think they're intellectuals...

Yeah, Horizon definitely has a reputation for quality, but I suppose how much I enjoy an episode really depends on the topic. Plus, Horizon feels a bit like a testing ground for new ideas that might not be fully proven yet. Personally, I find the health segments hosted by Michael Mosley to be the best, though the space ones—which I usually prefer—can sometimes feel a little slow. Brian Cox’s "Wonders of..." documentaries are amazing, though. He’s such an enthusiast with so much knowledge. He occasionally pushes a theory that only he believes in, but he just rolls with it. I feel like the British really nail this; they focus on solid, practical science. Americans seem to lean too hard into that spectacular, high-drama style centered on catastrophes. To me, that feels a bit superficial and Hollywood-lite.

Jessica Gonzalez said:Personally, I think I just need documentaries from the BBC—well, more specifically, their series.

1) BBC - Blue Planet
2) BBC - Planet Earth
3) Michael Palin - Pole to Pole

As for scripted shows, I don't really have any recommendations. I've watched plenty, but I guess I just appreciate it most when they focus on the real world; sci-fi and fantasy feel a bit too much like mere playthings to me.

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Jesse Sullivan5 said:My latest recommendation: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1643266/?ref_=nv_sr_1--I simply couldn't resist sharing this one!

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Honestly, nothing beats just hanging out and messing around with the crew. It’s the best way to blow off steam. 👍

Keith Miller30 said:Search YouTube for:

Ancient Aliens Debunked - (full movie) HD

Honestly, the guy ends up debunking himself in half the scenes, and frankly, if someone watches Ancient Aliens and swallows every single theory they throw at the screen without a second thought, I don't even know what to say to them because there's just no saving that level of gullibility.
I view those theories more like a starting point or a set of guidelines, you know? Because they pick one topic and then just ramble about everything under the sun—ranging from the most brainless nonsense to actually decent points—and since one presenter can toss out three different theories that completely contradict one another, it's really up to the viewer to figure out which one actually holds water.

You seriously need to pick up a book too, and I’m talking about back when I was still in high school, I stumbled upon some work by Graham Hancock and I have to admit that amidst all the chaos of his writing, there’s actually quite a bit of sense to be found. It doesn't necessarily have to align perfectly with his exact wording, but let's face it, there are plenty of illogical gaps in our understanding of history.
Humanity's development isn't nearly as straightforward as the textbooks make it out to be, at least not in my book.

Alright, I'll toss a few recommendations into the ring too, if you can even call them that

Lord of War
Hachiko—though fair warning, if you watch this one, you’re going to end up sobbing your eyes out and then having to deal with the absolute embarrassment of explaining to everyone why you're such a total wreck😁
Zeitgeist
The Cove
Planet Earth
Earthlings

Peter Thompson4 said:Honestly, the guy ends up debunking himself in half the scenes, and frankly, if someone watches Ancient Aliens and swallows every single theory they throw at the screen without a second thought, I don't even know what to say to them because there's just no saving that level of gullibility.
I view those theories more like a starting point or a set of guidelines, you know? Because they pick one topic and then just ramble about everything under the sun—ranging from the most brainless nonsense to actually decent points—and since one presenter can toss out three different theories that completely contradict one another, it's really up to the viewer to figure out which one actually holds water.

You seriously need to pick up a book too, and I’m talking about back when I was still in high school, I stumbled upon some work by Graham Hancock and I have to admit that amidst all the chaos of his writing, there’s actually quite a bit of sense to be found. It doesn't necessarily have to align perfectly with his exact wording, but let's face it, there are plenty of illogical gaps in our understanding of history.
Humanity's development isn't nearly as straightforward as the textbooks make it out to be, at least not in my book.

And who actually thinks human progress is easy?

Believing those idiots is a total defeat for common sense.😛

Look, I wasn't implying they just woke up one morning, decided to stage a massive uprising, and suddenly—boom—we’re all civilized. It’s just common sense that people hundreds, even thousands of years ago actually understood certain things way better than we do today. Like, seriously, these tribes could calculate the exact length of a solar year and stuff like that with insane precision. So, honestly, why is everyone acting so shocked? It's not that big of a deal.

That's just how it looks to me.

Peter Thompson4 said:Look, I wasn't implying they just woke up one morning, decided to stage a massive uprising, and suddenly—boom—we’re all civilized. It’s just common sense that people hundreds, even thousands of years ago actually understood certain things way better than we do today. Like, seriously, these tribes could calculate the exact length of a solar year and stuff like that with insane precision. So, honestly, why is everyone acting so shocked? It's not that big of a deal.

That's just how it looks to me.

They must have had aliens teaching them. What kind of stuff could they possibly know more about than us???

I suppose I agree that if they knew how to hunt mammoths collectively without firearms, they definitely had some level of coordination down. However, the idea that they understood astronomy better than we do today with all our high-tech gear feels like a bit of a stretch to me. It seems like a myth pushed by someone on American television trying to sell themselves as an expert.

I think most people struggle with their sense of time, honestly. It makes it pretty tough to wrap your head around the distant past when you don't have the right context. When scientists discuss human evolution—which is actually what I'm reading about in a book right now—they date evidence using methods that have a margin of error of a few thousand years. This means any talk about how advanced prehistoric technology or knowledge was is based on estimates that could swing by several millennia in either direction. Meanwhile, in our world, just a few generations of mobile phone tech can change in less than twenty years! Then you hear people insisting there's no way the Egyptians built the pyramids on their own, claiming they "just couldn't do it without outside help or heavy machinery." But their civilization lasted for thousands of years, built by people who were just as intelligent as we are today. If a group of people can build a skyscraper now, then a skilled, educated group could have done the same 4,000 years ago. Neither happened overnight. I guess because of this skewed perception of time, it’s hard for people to realize that centuries of learning likely preceded those massive constructions. It's much like how we didn't jump straight to skyscrapers after living in small houses; there was a long progression.

graniteheron132 said:They must have had aliens teaching them. What kind of stuff could they possibly know more about than us???

Look, that's exactly the problem here—you're just jumping straight to nonsense when I didn't even imply any of that, and honestly, you're being incredibly rude, so I wouldn't even bother responding if I weren't feeling generous, but fine, I'll give you a few hints: stars, planets, solar eclipses, solstices, even certain ancient monuments and all that good stuff.

@Jessica Gonzalez By the way, I'm not talking about 2015. That comparison doesn't make any sense, but hey, like you said, time is relative, and a couple hundred years ago is basically just now.

Peter Thompson4 said:Look, that's exactly the problem here—you're just jumping straight to nonsense when I didn't even imply any of that, and honestly, you're being incredibly rude, so I wouldn't even bother responding if I weren't feeling generous, but fine, I'll give you a few hints: stars, planets, solar eclipses, solstices, even certain ancient monuments and all that good stuff.

@Jessica Gonzalez By the way, I'm not talking about 2015. That comparison doesn't make any sense, but hey, like you said, time is relative, and a couple hundred years ago is basically just now.

With those clues, you can pretty much figure out what's up already.🙂

Seriously, go watch some actual documentaries and stop listening to those massive frauds.

So, it’s perfectly fine with you that ancient people were just living in underground cities and carving massive structures right into the rock faces and churches out of solid stone, but I guess that’s just too hard for you to wrap your head around.
Fine then, if we're playing that game, I'll just pull out the Bible and use it as my primary evidence.

And look, this isn't even about aliens for me—it's about the fact that things didn't just magically happen because someone decided to build them, okay? I want to understand how they actually knew about *certain stars*, how on earth they could observe and calculate those kinds of things, and why civilizations all over the globe share these almost identical origin stories and architectural styles.

Peter Thompson4 said:So, it’s perfectly fine with you that ancient people were just living in underground cities and carving massive structures right into the rock faces and churches out of solid stone, but I guess that’s just too hard for you to wrap your head around.
Fine then, if we're playing that game, I'll just pull out the Bible and use it as my primary evidence.

And look, this isn't even about aliens for me—it's about the fact that things didn't just magically happen because someone decided to build them, okay? I want to understand how they actually knew about *certain stars*, how on earth they could observe and calculate those kinds of things, and why civilizations all over the globe share these almost identical origin stories and architectural styles.

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Of all people, you're the one to go pulling the Bible out of your sleeve 🤣

So what, it's either God or aliens? Real smooth, genius. 🙏

Man, you are such a clown. Did I ever actually say those two had to be involved? Did I once mention anything about aliens intervening in the whole situation?
But no, you’re just one of those obnoxious "know-it-all" types who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're even reading here.👍

And honestly, if you truly believe we’re just floating around this massive universe all by ourselves, 🙏 🙏

By the way, buddy, you totally dodged my question about the origin stories and how these buildings actually look alike, but hey, I guess it’s much easier to just spout nonsense than to actually give me a straight answer. 👍

Peter Thompson4 said:By the way, buddy, you totally dodged my question about the origin stories and how these buildings actually look alike, but hey, I guess it’s much easier to just spout nonsense than to actually give me a straight answer. 👍

Look, I’m not trying to give you a free education here. It’s really up to you whether you think relying on someone like Erich von Däniken is actually a smart way to get your facts straight.

And there goes another terrible analogy. What are you even talking about with aliens?
People just start making up this absolute nonsense whenever they don't have a real answer, and honestly, watching the same tired tropes being recycled over and over is just freaking hilarious 👍
plus this whole new damn 🙏 I'm not going to waste my breath trying to educate you 🤣 🤣 hahahahah

If you actually had a single coherent argument to keep this conversation going, I bet you’d be bragging about it here for three pages straight, so please, stop trying to sell me that garbage.
Besides, you already missed the mark from the jump because I never mentioned some alien invasion or anything like that; I was just saying that reading Von Daniken was what first got my gears turning on the subject. I wasn't using him as an example of relativity or whatever else you're tripping on, he was just my starting point for thinking about the topic.

Honestly, part of me wishes I were some kind of alien experiment just so they’d finally show themselves, but hey, life sucks and nothing's happening.