Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)
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#7107 ·
Just remember that study showing the GOP gets its biggest boost from voters with lower education levels—and their support hits rock bottom among the highly educated—and everything suddenly clicks ☕
The reality is our education system—specifically higher ed—needs a massive overhaul that could actually lead to real savings—but developing a long-term strategy built on a solid economic foundation is, for this administration, pure science fiction.
The reality is our education system—specifically higher ed—needs a massive overhaul that could actually lead to real savings—but developing a long-term strategy built on a solid economic foundation is, for this administration, pure science fiction.
#7108 ·
I agree. High-quality education should be the backbone of any developed nation. It’s the direct path to scientific advancement.
The most educated people often have the least say in elections, and once they actually get a chance, they usually just pack up and move out of America. It's obvious the powers that be want to stem the brain drain just to cling to power longer. Meanwhile, they're slashing budgets for education and science:
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The most educated people often have the least say in elections, and once they actually get a chance, they usually just pack up and move out of America. It's obvious the powers that be want to stem the brain drain just to cling to power longer. Meanwhile, they're slashing budgets for education and science:
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#7109 ·
I have rarely encountered such blatant nepotism, lack of ethics, or sheer primitive opportunism outside of these supposedly educated circles. It truly doesn't matter which side of the political aisle they claim to represent or what their supposed principles are.
Beyond that, there is a striking narrowness to them; they carry themselves with this overwhelming sense of superiority, constantly boasting about their intellect and various "achievements" while remaining incredibly limited in scope.
I don't believe this behavior is an inherent flaw within our nation, yet I find myself endlessly fascinated by how individuals can champion certain ideals while simultaneously radiating hypocrisy, paradoxes, chauvinism, xenophobia, and that hollow, wannabe patriotism. It honestly feels like a collective mental dysfunction.
The most important thing, apparently, is that they view every facet of their own persona as flawless and maintain an unimpeachable opinion of themselves.
🤦And then, inevitably, someone asks me why I refuse to tie my identity to being an American.
Beyond that, there is a striking narrowness to them; they carry themselves with this overwhelming sense of superiority, constantly boasting about their intellect and various "achievements" while remaining incredibly limited in scope.
I don't believe this behavior is an inherent flaw within our nation, yet I find myself endlessly fascinated by how individuals can champion certain ideals while simultaneously radiating hypocrisy, paradoxes, chauvinism, xenophobia, and that hollow, wannabe patriotism. It honestly feels like a collective mental dysfunction.
The most important thing, apparently, is that they view every facet of their own persona as flawless and maintain an unimpeachable opinion of themselves.
🤦And then, inevitably, someone asks me why I refuse to tie my identity to being an American.
#7110 ·
Considering the current state of the American education system and the questionable caliber of its universities, any dollar spent on them feels like money tossed straight into a void...
#7111 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:I have rarely encountered such blatant nepotism, lack of ethics, or sheer primitive opportunism outside of these supposedly educated circles. It truly doesn't matter which side of the political aisle they claim to represent or what their supposed principles are.
Beyond that, there is a striking narrowness to them; they carry themselves with this overwhelming sense of superiority, constantly boasting about their intellect and various "achievements" while remaining incredibly limited in scope.
I don't believe this behavior is an inherent flaw within our nation, yet I find myself endlessly fascinated by how individuals can champion certain ideals while simultaneously radiating hypocrisy, paradoxes, chauvinism, xenophobia, and that hollow, wannabe patriotism. It honestly feels like a collective mental dysfunction.
The most important thing, apparently, is that they view every facet of their own persona as flawless and maintain an unimpeachable opinion of themselves.
🤦And then, inevitably, someone asks me why I refuse to tie my identity to being an American.
Exactly. Usually, it’s coming from politicians, doctors, or even those self-proclaimed "scientists" who aren't actually smart. Look at guys like that pundit on CNN—he’s got the PhD. We have brilliant people in this country, sure, but the media doesn't care about them. Instead of using education to drive progress, they just use it to stifle everything else.
Anyway, bottom line. 👍
I was born American, but that's where the feeling ends.
To wrap this up: we live in the kind of country we earned. This is exactly what the majority wanted. We voted for it.
#7112 ·
I mean, what’s the point of even pushing for more college grads when we can't even find decent jobs for the ones we already have, let alone pay them a living wage? Plus, honestly, not every degree actually matters for society... there are just so many useless majors out there, and some of these community colleges or state universities—kind of like those random local campuses you see in the Midwest—they don't really offer much. Our education system just gets more and more broken every single time a new administration takes over in D.C. At this rate, if things keep going the way they are, I guess the whole system won't even exist in twenty years.
#7113 ·
Sandra Johnson58 said:I mean, what’s the point of even pushing for more college grads when we can't even find decent jobs for the ones we already have, let alone pay them a living wage? Plus, honestly, not every degree actually matters for society... there are just so many useless majors out there, and some of these community colleges or state universities—kind of like those random local campuses you see in the Midwest—they don't really offer much. Our education system just gets more and more broken every single time a new administration takes over in D.C. At this rate, if things keep going the way they are, I guess the whole system won't even exist in twenty years.
The largest chunk of the unemployed population falls within the non-specialized workforce. Generally speaking, the more education someone has, the better their shot at landing a job.
Sure, you’ll find plenty of unemployed graduates, plenty of "educated" folks who lack common sense, and plenty of broken institutions, but should we really take that as a sign that education itself is worthless? Not necessarily.
#7114 ·
Sandra Johnson58 said:I mean, what’s the point of even pushing for more college grads when we can't even find decent jobs for the ones we already have, let alone pay them a living wage? Plus, honestly, not every degree actually matters for society... there are just so many useless majors out there, and some of these community colleges or state universities—kind of like those random local campuses you see in the Midwest—they don't really offer much. Our education system just gets more and more broken every single time a new administration takes over in D.C. At this rate, if things keep going the way they are, I guess the whole system won't even exist in twenty years.
Same deal with science. Unlike those religious groups that supposedly matter so much for national progress. Let's just scrap physics and chemistry in middle school and add four extra hours of Sunday school a week instead. ☕
We need to fund science, and the education system needs a total overhaul. Right now, a kid finishes high school knowing absolutely nothing about how banks work or how the government actually functions. I'd start by making health ed, civics, and computer science mandatory.
Did it ever cross your mind that improving education could actually produce enough smart people to stay in the country after graduation? Instead of fleeing to Europe, they could actually fix things here. We need people who focus on actual economic plans rather than just obsessing over political extremes from the 40s or the 90s. Sounds crazy, I know, but theoretically, it works.
#7116 ·
Morgan Williams said:Exactly. Usually, it’s coming from politicians, doctors, or even those self-proclaimed "scientists" who aren't actually smart. Look at guys like that pundit on CNN—he’s got the PhD. We have brilliant people in this country, sure, but the media doesn't care about them. Instead of using education to drive progress, they just use it to stifle everything else.
Anyway, bottom line. 👍
I was born American, but that's where the feeling ends.
To wrap this up: we live in the kind of country we earned. This is exactly what the majority wanted. We voted for it.
Of course, I personally know a few individuals in leadership roles who have managed to maintain their integrity. However, there's a pervasive sense among many in power that having a degree or a certain career trajectory grants them the right to look down on others and act patronizingly.
I truly love my country, but I find myself deeply disillusioned with the state of its institutions. They have eroded my sense of belonging by exploiting national symbols and feeding the public nothing but empty demagoguery.
I’ll say it again: I doubt life is significantly better elsewhere, but being wounded by your own people always leaves a deeper sting.
#7117 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:The largest chunk of the unemployed population falls within the non-specialized workforce. Generally speaking, the more education someone has, the better their shot at landing a job.
Sure, you’ll find plenty of unemployed graduates, plenty of "educated" folks who lack common sense, and plenty of broken institutions, but should we really take that as a sign that education itself is worthless? Not necessarily.
I mean, I think the NSSA holds like almost 30 percent if I remember correctly, so it makes sense that they have the biggest slice of the pie. Obviously, going to a university opens up way more doors for you, but I highly doubt employers are out there scrambling to hire some philosophy major, an occupational safety engineer, or a crisis management specialist. 🤣It feels like America is just cranking out college grads right now just so politicians can brag on the world stage about how we have 20 percent higher ed coverage instead of ten. But honestly? I guess they’re all just gonna end up using shovels instead of degrees, and most of these folks aren't exactly thrilled about that. They aren't exactly built for manual labor or getting their hands dirty in some trade, you know? It's such a shame they picked the wrong majors... they'll either be working hard in the dirt or just starving. I mean, you see guys with philosophy degrees working as servers in Chicago, and don't even get me started on the economists—I know a few personally who are in the same boat. 😁
Morgan Williams said:Same deal with science. Unlike those religious groups that supposedly matter so much for national progress. Let's just scrap physics and chemistry in middle school and add four extra hours of Sunday school a week instead. ☕
We need to fund science, and the education system needs a total overhaul. Right now, a kid finishes high school knowing absolutely nothing about how banks work or how the government actually functions. I'd start by making health ed, civics, and computer science mandatory.
Did it ever cross your mind that improving education could actually produce enough smart people to stay in the country after graduation? Instead of fleeing to Europe, they could actually fix things here. We need people who focus on actual economic plans rather than just obsessing over political extremes from the 40s or the 90s. Sounds crazy, I know, but theoretically, it works.
Wait, when did I even bring up religious groups? Honestly, I don't give a damn about them—I wouldn't give them a cent. Just for the sake of argument though, looking back, we've basically always been run by people with fancy college degrees, you know? Highly educated types. And look where that's gotten us... nowhere. I mean, I haven't really noticed any major difference in election results just because we have more people with degrees running things now. As long as the main Democratic party keeps sweeping the majority instead of actually struggling to even hit the threshold, there’s really nothing left to debate. And the American education system? Yeah, it's pretty much trashed. I mean, sure, there are some exceptions here and there, but it's gonna stay messed up for a long time. The government just doesn't have the cash, and even when they do find some money or go into debt to get it, it just ends up lining someone's pockets anyway. I guess that's just how it's been since this country was founded.
#7119 ·
Religious groups were only included because the administration thinks they carry more weight than education or science. In this country, there’s only a shot if a group like the Libertarians or some other sensible faction managed to pull in numbers similar to the Reform Party. If they actually prove to be a legitimate third option after the election, I’m convinced they’d pull way more votes in a runoff. For instance, I didn't vote for the Reform Party because I knew nothing about them and they didn't feel like a real alternative. But during those few days when a reelection seemed possible, I made it clear: if they can actually unseat the Democrats and Republicans, they’ll have my vote—even if I personally find some of their members' pasts and stances pretty distasteful.
#7120 ·
Sandra Johnson58 said:I mean, I think the NSSA holds like almost 30 percent if I remember correctly, so it makes sense that they have the biggest slice of the pie. Obviously, going to a university opens up way more doors for you, but I highly doubt employers are out there scrambling to hire some philosophy major, an occupational safety engineer, or a crisis management specialist. 🤣It feels like America is just cranking out college grads right now just so politicians can brag on the world stage about how we have 20 percent higher ed coverage instead of ten. But honestly? I guess they’re all just gonna end up using shovels instead of degrees, and most of these folks aren't exactly thrilled about that. They aren't exactly built for manual labor or getting their hands dirty in some trade, you know? It's such a shame they picked the wrong majors... they'll either be working hard in the dirt or just starving. I mean, you see guys with philosophy degrees working as servers in Chicago, and don't even get me started on the economists—I know a few personally who are in the same boat. 😁
Wait, when did I even bring up religious groups? Honestly, I don't give a damn about them—I wouldn't give them a cent. Just for the sake of argument though, looking back, we've basically always been run by people with fancy college degrees, you know? Highly educated types. And look where that's gotten us... nowhere. I mean, I haven't really noticed any major difference in election results just because we have more people with degrees running things now. As long as the main Democratic party keeps sweeping the majority instead of actually struggling to even hit the threshold, there’s really nothing left to debate. And the American education system? Yeah, it's pretty much trashed. I mean, sure, there are some exceptions here and there, but it's gonna stay messed up for a long time. The government just doesn't have the cash, and even when they do find some money or go into debt to get it, it just ends up lining someone's pockets anyway. I guess that's just how it's been since this country was founded.
I think you missed the point. It’s not that high schoolers represent the absolute highest number of unemployed people, but rather that their unemployment rate is significantly higher compared to those with associate's or bachelor's degrees. Essentially, the more education you have, the better your odds of actually landing a job.
Obviously, a college degree opens up way more doors, though I highly doubt employers are out there hunting for specialized philosophers, occupational safety engineers, or crisis management experts🤣.
There’s a massive pool of jobs out there that don't require a specific degree; instead, employers just want someone flexible enough to learn the ropes quickly. Having a philosophy degree will definitely get you through the door for a wider variety of roles—non-manual labor, obviously—much faster than someone who only has a high school diploma or a trade certificate.
America is basically churning out college graduates right now just so politicians can brag on the global stage about having 20 percent of the population educated, rather than ten. Honestly, these folks might find work, but they'll be using shovels instead of brains, and most of them aren't exactly thrilled about that. They aren't too "refined" for manual labor, and they didn't spend years in a lecture hall just to get their hands dirty. It’s a shame they picked the wrong majors, because now they’re stuck choosing between manual labor or starving. You see plenty of philosophy majors working as servers in Chicago, and don't even get me started on the economics grads—I know some personally😁
Compared to the rest of Europe, the US actually has a relatively low number of highly educated people; it’s not like we have degrees to throw around like confetti. So, when they leave the country, it’s more of a labor shortage issue for America than an education issue. In other words, having fewer educated people wouldn't fix everything; it would just mean a higher unemployment rate, since people with less education struggle even more to find steady work.
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