Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Noah Roberts46 said:Globalists are weaponizing climate change, and I honestly don't know how anyone falls for it. All these celebrities and self-proclaimed "activists" preach about saving the planet while flying private jets and cruising on massive yachts—it’s pure hypocrisy. Then they have the nerve to lecture the rest of us. Give me a break. It's just as hard for us laypeople to weigh in because the science keeps shifting; you have scientists making grand claims one day only to be proven wrong the next. Yet, some things are just common sense. Why are the people backing Greta busy shaming Americans when China is dumping fifty times more plastic into the ocean? Or look at India's emissions levels. This whole movement is just about chasing headlines through sick, performative politics.

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What’s your actual scientific background? Zero. You read a couple of articles and suddenly you're an expert posting 🤦 , bravo. 🤦

wiredrider9 said:Have you even bothered to look into Greta? Seriously, the girl is mentally unstable—it's just a sad, pathetic story. If today's society was even remotely sane, we'd have her tucked away in a psych ward instead of treating her like some icon. And let's be real: global warming is mostly nonsense, and the idea that humans are the main culprit? Total garbage. Human impact on the atmosphere is basically nothing more than a fart in a hurricane.

The poor kid got sucked into a vortex she’ll probably never crawl out of, and since she's already dealing with autism, they basically went ahead and scrubbed her brain clean too.

And let’s be real, they’re using kids more and more in this propaganda machine. Greta isn't some special case; they'll manipulate anyone if they can pull at the emotional strings hard enough...

https://tribun.com/who-is-really-behind-gretas-hysteria/

Noah Roberts46:

Why is it that the people pulling the strings behind Greta are busy shitting all over the US when China dumps fifty times more plastic into the ocean? Or look at India and their gas emissions. They just go where they can grab the most attention with this kind of sick politics.

Just read the link I posted, and you'll find your answer right there.

Noah Roberts46 said:Globalists are weaponizing climate change, and I honestly don't know how anyone falls for it. All these celebrities and self-proclaimed "activists" preach about saving the planet while flying private jets and cruising on massive yachts—it’s pure hypocrisy. Then they have the nerve to lecture the rest of us. Give me a break. It's just as hard for us laypeople to weigh in because the science keeps shifting; you have scientists making grand claims one day only to be proven wrong the next. Yet, some things are just common sense. Why are the people backing Greta busy shaming Americans when China is dumping fifty times more plastic into the ocean? Or look at India's emissions levels. This whole movement is just about chasing headlines through sick, performative politics.

You've thrown a lot of stuff at the wall there, but regarding your last point: Greta's speech was delivered at a UN summit attended by all the UN members, including China and India. So what if she was there? Even if it's just kids showing up to refuse to kiss the politicians' asses, they're still the ones who have to live in the world these people have already messed up.

Noah Roberts46 said:What’s your actual scientific background? Zero. You read a couple of articles and suddenly you're an expert posting 🤦 , bravo. 🤦

At this point, you’d have to bury your head incredibly deep in the sand to try and downplay climate change. We aren't just talking about scientific projections and models anymore; we're looking at a massive wave of climate refugees right in front of us. How much longer can anyone pretend this isn't happening?

Betty Price2 said:The poor kid got sucked into a vortex she’ll probably never crawl out of, and since she's already dealing with autism, they basically went ahead and scrubbed her brain clean too.

And let’s be real, they’re using kids more and more in this propaganda machine. Greta isn't some special case; they'll manipulate anyone if they can pull at the emotional strings hard enough...

https://tribun.com/who-is-really-behind-gretas-hysteria/

Noah Roberts46:

Why is it that the people pulling the strings behind Greta are busy shitting all over the US when China dumps fifty times more plastic into the ocean? Or look at India and their gas emissions. They just go where they can grab the most attention with this kind of sick politics.

Just read the link I posted, and you'll find your answer right there.

To be clear, the little one has Asperger's, which doesn't mean she's unintelligent, "slow," or incapable of living a perfectly normal life. There are plenty of highly capable people out there living with Asperger's.

And please, drop the fake concern. It’s honestly pretty gross.

Noah Roberts46 said:What’s your actual scientific background? Zero. You read a couple of articles and suddenly you're an expert posting 🤦 , bravo. 🤦

I started 🤦 pointing out the blatant nonsense you've written.
I don't need a PhD to spot that.

Let me ask you something: who are you actually going to trust? Trump, or the 99% of scientists who maintain that humans are the driving force behind global warming? Or someone like Bolsonaro?

No matter how you slice it, history shows us there have been five major mass extinctions. They all had clear triggers—volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes, things of that nature.
We aren't seeing anything like that right now, yet we are witnessing a massive extinction of species.
The only logical conclusion is that humans are the cause.

Let’s make it simpler. Why do you think wolves or lynx are endangered in the US? Is it some mysterious, shadowy force, or is it people?
Overfishing?
Why is biodiversity plummeting in the Atlantic Ocean? Is it due to a volcanic eruption, a natural planetary cycle, or is it because of excessive fishing and dumping waste and oil?

What kind of scientific journal do you need to prove that?

I remember when I was a kid playing in Central Park, the squirrels were everywhere; down near Fifth Avenue, you'd see raccoons scurrying around... I haven't seen any of that in decades.

Go up to the hills overlooking Washington, D.C., and look down at the city; it looks like it's trapped under a dome. It isn't a dome, though. It's smog.

Denying pollution and its impact on the environment is nothing short of pure blindness.

I am no eco-fanatic. In fact, I am a huge supporter of technology. But for God's sake, certain things are going to have to change drastically, or we won't be around much longer in the state we are in today (referring to the human race, obviously).

No, an apocalypse isn't going to strike in 20, 30, or 40 years. Certainly not for Trump and his descendants; they'll be doing just fine for generations. The question is, how will everyone else—the majority—fare?

ruggedjackal46 said:You've thrown a lot of stuff at the wall there, but regarding your last point: Greta's speech was delivered at a UN summit attended by all the UN members, including China and India. So what if she was there? Even if it's just kids showing up to refuse to kiss the politicians' asses, they're still the ones who have to live in the world these people have already messed up.

You probably just sit around listening to The Beatles and don't give a damn about anything
Seriously, these politicians were totally terrified by one little girl
You clearly need someone to come along and knock some sense into you, maybe give you a reality check

darkseal9 said:You probably just sit around listening to The Beatles and don't give a damn about anything
Seriously, these politicians were totally terrified by one little girl
You clearly need someone to come along and knock some sense into you, maybe give you a reality check

Oh, absolutely. Don't act like you don't know.

But that doesn't change the fact that her core argument is fundamentally sound.
My issue isn't with the message itself, but rather this tendency to turn a massive, systemic crisis into a superficial social media trend.

The reality is that the superpowers are locked in a high-stakes game of chicken, racing toward each other at 400 miles per hour, just waiting to see who blinks first.
Everyone knows we're heading straight for a disaster (well, everyone except Trump), but whoever abandons this insane race for industrial dominance and rapid urbanization first is going to lose everything.

ruggedjackal46 said:At this point, you’d have to bury your head incredibly deep in the sand to try and downplay climate change. We aren't just talking about scientific projections and models anymore; we're looking at a massive wave of climate refugees right in front of us. How much longer can anyone pretend this isn't happening?

Funny enough 😁 , after all that noise, your post actually touches on something that was already sitting right there in the link I dropped...

To save us all from wasting breath arguing in circles, just use the internet and its endless archives:

A BBC article from back in 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm

The situation back in 2013
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013...82_640x365.jpg

People lose their minds and start shaking whenever they hear the word "scientist," honestly more than those old ladies who act like priests are walking miracles...

Holy science 🙂

It was just a joke.

Everything I have to say on this topic was already covered by Mr.

It’s just funny, I guess, how people keep harping on about this whole global warming thing—as if it's some absolute certainty—when you've got three feet of snow piling up in the Delancey area and New York City getting slammed by a cold snap that lasts for days on end... 🙏🙏

bluebison47 said:It’s just funny, I guess, how people keep harping on about this whole global warming thing—as if it's some absolute certainty—when you've got three feet of snow piling up in the Delancey area and New York City getting slammed by a cold snap that lasts for days on end... 🙏🙏

Matthew Young35 pretty much nailed it. Every single time, I’m genuinely shocked by how many people try to downplay environmental destruction and climate change. Honestly, it's right up there with denying evolution or believing the Earth is flat...

And that’s exactly it. You don't even have to trek all the way to the Amazon to see the damage. Just take a walk through the Appalachians or up into the Rocky Mountains and compare what those forests look like now to how they used to be. Look at how many natural water sources are left compared to before, or consider the air and food quality we're dealing with. At the end of the day, you can't keep growing things on soil that you're poisoning with pesticides, heavy fertilizers, and over-intensive farming methods forever. Just look at the massive drop in insect populations and other wildlife. American forests are facing huge threats, with nearly half of them endangered, mostly due to pollution and shifting climates...

It’s all connected. The Amazon is being cleared primarily for the meat industry and soy production, which mostly just feeds back into that same industrial meat cycle. It's the same story with the meat itself—often sold after its expiration date, pumped full of antibiotics (which make up 90% of antibiotic production) and growth hormones, and eventually, it all ends up inside you. Experts at the UN are sounding the alarm about this exact thing, warning that we desperately need to cut back on meat consumption, fossil fuels, plastic use, and so on...

The problem is that 90% of people don't even notice because their only real "nature trip" is a stroll through Central Park. They can't see the pollution in their air or food either; instead of greenery, they have new screens and video games, thinking life can just go on like this indefinitely. When you try to talk to them about the devastation in the Appalachians, it feels as distant to them as hearing about a river being polluted in Syria...

Kudos to that girl for actually doing something about it. I honestly wonder if most people here are even trying to recycle or slightly reduce their ecological footprint. Climate change and pollution are massive issues, but every little bit counts. Even if nothing else, at least you can sleep with a clear conscience...

Noah Roberts46 said:Globalists are weaponizing climate change, and I honestly don't know how anyone falls for it. All these celebrities and self-proclaimed "activists" preach about saving the planet while flying private jets and cruising on massive yachts—it’s pure hypocrisy. Then they have the nerve to lecture the rest of us. Give me a break. It's just as hard for us laypeople to weigh in because the science keeps shifting; you have scientists making grand claims one day only to be proven wrong the next. Yet, some things are just common sense. Why are the people backing Greta busy shaming Americans when China is dumping fifty times more plastic into the ocean? Or look at India's emissions levels. This whole movement is just about chasing headlines through sick, performative politics.

Science is rigged, data gets manipulated, and they manufacture hysteria for sport. When I see the mainstream media and politicians whining about global warming, I see right through the whole act.

I’m honestly not sure if we are actually warming us up, but anyone with even a shred of perception can see that we are brutally and exponentially polluting and destroying the very ecosystem we call home.

Governments seem far too weak when pitted against the titans of global industry, especially since they share that same fatal flaw: a short-sighted focus on investment, mandate, or election cycles. To be blunt, neither the politicians nor the CEOs give a damn about what kind of corporate landscape will exist once their four-year terms have expired.

I lost hope a long time ago that things would change in this regard. Humans tend to be selfish and cold-hearted toward the brothers and sisters breathing right next to them, so why on earth would we act any differently toward some nameless numbers who won't even be born for another fifty years?

Look, I’m all for calling out pollution—it’s a massive issue—but let’s be real: the biggest villains here are the giant corporations and the politicians protecting them. I actually try to sort my trash at home, I really do, but what am I supposed to do when the local government and state officials can't even figure out how to build a decent waste management system? It’s embarrassing, especially since people were doing this back in the 1900s. Honestly, if it were up to me, I’d just ban single-use plastics entirely. We need food in glass, paper, or cardboard, and the same goes for shampoos and household chemicals. Just get rid of the plastic crap already.

Both sides of this whole argument seem to stem from a purely human-centered perspective, I guess. The side denying climate change and environmental destruction is essentially just defending our current way of life. On the other hand, those calling for radical changes are worried about preserving a lifestyle for the future—for our kids and grandkids. But ultimately, everything circles back to humans, who are the actual drivers of the issue rather than just victims. Life on this planet exists in millions of different forms, most of which we haven't even laid eyes on. It’s in the soil, the air, the oceans, and within us; there are hundreds of billions of bacteria living inside every single one of us. Humans are just one species among many, yet we act like we have the right to micromanage everything else, even though our time here is incredibly short and we'll eventually fade away. Most modern economies and societies demand constant, accelerated growth, which leads to the rapid consumption of resources and the exploitation of untouched lands. There are even billionaires with pretty empty lives who think we need to export this exact same consumerist lifestyle to Mars and beyond. For billions of years, life on Earth didn't need to be self-aware to thrive. I once spent a few days in the Amazon, and even though it was inhabited, it felt much closer to what we'd call "natural" compared to our cities. I wonder, what's really the point of destroying a forest like that? Is it just so a few thousand cows can consume a few thousand tons of soy? For whom, and why? What is the ultimate goal of all this growth, and what are we actually trying to achieve? I suspect everyone here realizes there isn't some grand, final destination humanity is chasing. We are born, we live, and we die. In that process, there doesn't seem to be much reason to kill off other species or steal their habitats to such an extreme degree. There is plenty of room on this planet for people, rhinos, trees, fish, and whales alike. Maybe they should all have something similar to what we call "human rights." If we recognize those rights for ourselves, perhaps we should extend them to mice too. I suppose there won't be any real progress until humans step down from this self-appointed throne. Some experts suggest that environmental destruction actually started 10,000 years ago with the dawn of agriculture. Back then, our impact existed, but it was so slow and limited that people couldn't even detect it. Even today, with all our knowledge, some people still deny how much we affect nature. Well, if you just open a window in a modern building and look out, how much of what you see isn't shaped or created by human hands?

Jessica Gonzalez said:Both sides of this whole argument seem to stem from a purely human-centered perspective, I guess. The side denying climate change and environmental destruction is essentially just defending our current way of life. On the other hand, those calling for radical changes are worried about preserving a lifestyle for the future—for our kids and grandkids. But ultimately, everything circles back to humans, who are the actual drivers of the issue rather than just victims. Life on this planet exists in millions of different forms, most of which we haven't even laid eyes on. It’s in the soil, the air, the oceans, and within us; there are hundreds of billions of bacteria living inside every single one of us. Humans are just one species among many, yet we act like we have the right to micromanage everything else, even though our time here is incredibly short and we'll eventually fade away. Most modern economies and societies demand constant, accelerated growth, which leads to the rapid consumption of resources and the exploitation of untouched lands. There are even billionaires with pretty empty lives who think we need to export this exact same consumerist lifestyle to Mars and beyond. For billions of years, life on Earth didn't need to be self-aware to thrive. I once spent a few days in the Amazon, and even though it was inhabited, it felt much closer to what we'd call "natural" compared to our cities. I wonder, what's really the point of destroying a forest like that? Is it just so a few thousand cows can consume a few thousand tons of soy? For whom, and why? What is the ultimate goal of all this growth, and what are we actually trying to achieve? I suspect everyone here realizes there isn't some grand, final destination humanity is chasing. We are born, we live, and we die. In that process, there doesn't seem to be much reason to kill off other species or steal their habitats to such an extreme degree. There is plenty of room on this planet for people, rhinos, trees, fish, and whales alike. Maybe they should all have something similar to what we call "human rights." If we recognize those rights for ourselves, perhaps we should extend them to mice too. I suppose there won't be any real progress until humans step down from this self-appointed throne. Some experts suggest that environmental destruction actually started 10,000 years ago with the dawn of agriculture. Back then, our impact existed, but it was so slow and limited that people couldn't even detect it. Even today, with all our knowledge, some people still deny how much we affect nature. Well, if you just open a window in a modern building and look out, how much of what you see isn't shaped or created by human hands?

Hey, hey... hello there, man.

KP 1-28

"Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth, then subdue it! Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and every living creature that crawls upon the ground." That is what God said, isn't it? "Look, I am giving you every seed-bearing plant growing on the face of the land, and every tree that bears fruit with seed in it. They will be yours to eat!"

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And besides, if it weren't for humanity, wouldn't every land animal simply perish in some sort of universal deluge?

I don't think it actually has anything to do with religion. Middle Eastern religions did tend to put humanity at the center—probably because those early societies were mostly agricultural, so people viewed gods as entities that rewarded or punished them through harvests, even though humans had already started exerting control over nature. But I guess modern science and our current way of life have pushed us even further into that mindset. Today's consumer culture is entirely focused on people, constantly telling us to buy more, spend more, and own more. I don't see any advertisements out there targeting wolves or blades of grass, after all.