Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

I wasn't even surprised—I knew we’d be starting the new year exactly where we left off. Same battle lines, same trenches, same old enemies...

Baby, some things never change.

Some guy during the debate actually had the nerve to call Mamić a phenomenal manager. And get this—he even lied through his teeth, claiming Mamić was the one who kicked Ed Koch out of the party, when in reality, the guy basically resigned himself just to run for president. ☕

Btw, Zizoje, I have no clue where you're getting this "it's just the Republican Party and Ed Koch" thing if you were aiming that at me. 🤔

bluebison47 said:I mean, that was clearly said sarcastically.🤷

Oh, please. I watched CNN all day after that, and neither the anchor nor the guest (Klauški) even realized the guy was making fun of them. 🤣

Paul Martinez73 said:Happy New Year, you soccer fanatics.
ZZ, I wouldn't want to get this whole debate moving again. But didn't Joe Biden himself say that Zdravko Mamić is a highly successful manager and offered him a handshake?
And Ed Koch is just a product of the Democratic Party—honestly, he almost took over the party entirely, and if you look at how Bernard keeps things running in Washington, D.C., he basically still leads them today. So, when it comes down to it, both sides are pretty much the same...

Enjoy the downtime while it lasts, because it's a long season.

The Boys are the ones keeping Ed Koch in power in the city council.☕

Ed Koch was ousted because a political decision was made to push him out, regardless of whatever immediate excuse they used. He’s just one piece of the trash that continues to extort Washington, D.C., with the help of the Republican Party, effectively tearing the city apart.

And honestly, both his candidacy and his eventual removal were merely the climax of a much longer conflict. There is no way he ran simply because he maintained a good relationship with Joe Biden.

No, I really have to say, I am genuinely impressed by these phenomenal constructions 🙏 It turns out that the exact same attitude toward Ed Koch is shared by the candidate who kicked him out of the party ten years ago—someone who fought him and called him out publicly, seeing him end up in detention during their term—and then there's the other guy, whose party stubbornly holds the line for him through periods of peak looting, corruption, and sheer stupidity, someone who sings to him at his birthday parties, claims they "do business well" together, and openly promises presidential favor even if he somehow ends up in prison (instead of being sent to Canada). 🙏

It is just further confirmation of how much of a crooked mechanism it is, using that "everyone is the same" rhetoric to reduce the possibility of losing power to an absolute minimum.

While it isn't as if Joe Biden did enough on that front either, at least he isn't openly holding the ladder for them or sending out that disastrous political message that being a thief is perfectly acceptable.

News crews were grilling him about Zdravko Mamić too.

'Look, without getting ahead of myself, the guy is a killer manager and an incredible talent scout, but he ran straight into legal trouble because the tax-focused FBI caught up with him—an agency that was actually set up back in 2014 during my time in the Cabinet. Those moves were surgical and very intentional. Back then, we had a massive wave of people involved in fraud and dodging taxes... Since then, that whole department has basically been mothballed, moved over to the IRS, and left without any real leadership... That’s just how the Republican Party operates when they want to kill something off before it even starts. Why hasn't that tax-FBI produced anything since 2014 if its whole purpose was to put Zdravko Mamić on trial?' says Joe Biden.

And here's a little bit of support for Miki too - https://www.google.com/amp/s/dnevnik...redstvima.html

I can't quite get on board with that specific label, though at the end of the day, I don't really care if anyone views Mamic as some kind of brilliant manager or a talent factory. What matters is that he was called a thief, and that’s exactly what happened.

And more importantly, don't go celebrating his birthday with him.

But then again, that probably doesn't matter much since he went ahead and called him a successful manager—so there's your proof, I suppose, that everyone is cut from the exact same cloth. 🙏

brightpilot6 said:Ed Koch was ousted because a political decision was made to push him out, regardless of whatever immediate excuse they used. He’s just one piece of the trash that continues to extort Washington, D.C., with the help of the Republican Party, effectively tearing the city apart.

And honestly, both his candidacy and his eventual removal were merely the climax of a much longer conflict. There is no way he ran simply because he maintained a good relationship with Joe Biden.

No, I really have to say, I am genuinely impressed by these phenomenal constructions 🙏 It turns out that the exact same attitude toward Ed Koch is shared by the candidate who kicked him out of the party ten years ago—someone who fought him and called him out publicly, seeing him end up in detention during their term—and then there's the other guy, whose party stubbornly holds the line for him through periods of peak looting, corruption, and sheer stupidity, someone who sings to him at his birthday parties, claims they "do business well" together, and openly promises presidential favor even if he somehow ends up in prison (instead of being sent to Canada). 🙏

It is just further confirmation of how much of a crooked mechanism it is, using that "everyone is the same" rhetoric to reduce the possibility of losing power to an absolute minimum.

While it isn't as if Joe Biden did enough on that front either, at least he isn't openly holding the ladder for them or sending out that disastrous political message that being a thief is perfectly acceptable.

To an opportunist like Zoki, having Milan Bandić running things in Washington, D.C. was perfectly fine.

Zoran Milanović, October 10, 2007. BuzzFeed.
- Once again, we’re hearing these stories about investigations and documents being filed against me, but these accusations have about as much merit as the claim that I beat my wife.

Zoran Milanović, Associated Press. April 20, 2009.
- "Milan Bandić is the best candidate for Mayor of Washington, D.C., and the Democratic Party-Libertarian Party coalition is a guarantee for competent and honest city government," stated Democratic Party leader Zoran Milanović during the signing of the inter-party agreement between the Washington, D.C. Democratic Party and the Libertarian Party for the upcoming May local elections. When asked if he would follow through on his word and vote for Bandić on May 17, Milanović replied, "Of course I'm going to vote for Milan Bandić."

Zoran Milanović, Los Angeles Times. 2008.
How would you rate Milan Bandić's work leading Washington, D.C.? "He works hard, gets results. And there's plenty of room to do even more in the future."

Zoran Milanović, USA Today. September 6, 2008.
- "Bandić puts in a massive amount of work, and let the stylists worry about his style. There are plenty of results, and there will be more." But Bandić is under multiple FBI investigations. "As far as I know, he isn't under any of them, but I am aware of two regarding Berkshire Hathaway. Unfortunately, with business on this scale, that's possible. I'm calling on the legal authorities to find out who is responsible."

Zoran Milanović, USA Today, May 21, 2013.
- "I expected the citizens of Washington, D.C. to recognize Rajk as an incomparably more competent and clean candidate than the current mayor. No strings attached, no doubts. But sometimes in politics, you end up choosing the worst of the worst. That's what's happening now, but I will oppose it through every possible political channel," says Milanović. He insists he will continue to call things exactly what they are.

"The Assembly could have exercised a bit more control over the mayor before, and now they'll have even less. If that's the price the Democratic Party has to pay to clean house, we'll pay it. People like Bandić are the reason I even got into politics—because I wanted to root out that kind of behavior. I know it's tough, especially since we play by the rules while our opponents play by the rules of a barroom brawl. But history remembers the champions. And as Prime Minister, I'll stick to the law and cooperate with anyone legitimately elected," claims Milanović, adding that everything in Washington, D.C. reeks of corruption and his party will fight it.

http://www.politikaplus.com/novost/7...orio-o-Bandicu

They’re all cut from the same cloth, aren't they? Just the same old tired mantra about thieves and peasants, endlessly repeated by their own little band of agitators.

brightpilot6 said:I can't quite get on board with that specific label, though at the end of the day, I don't really care if anyone views Mamic as some kind of brilliant manager or a talent factory. What matters is that he was called a thief, and that’s exactly what happened.

And more importantly, don't go celebrating his birthday with him.

But then again, that probably doesn't matter much since he went ahead and called him a successful manager—so there's your proof, I suppose, that everyone is cut from the exact same cloth. 🙏

With logic like Zoki's, people on this forum usually get branded as traitors or straight-up trash... wouldn't surprise me if you were echoing that exact same vibe in your own posts.

Let's just be real here—when the second round rolls around, I’m going to be cheering for whoever loses, whoever that may be. On this forum, it's so obvious that everything is just "whatever," as my buddy from Canada would say. You guys belittle, insult, lie, act all high and mighty with zero substance, throw threats around, and somehow still think you're better than everyone else. 🤣

loneseal said:With logic like Zoki's, people on this forum usually get branded as traitors or straight-up trash... wouldn't surprise me if you were echoing that exact same vibe in your own posts.

Let's just be real here—when the second round rolls around, I’m going to be cheering for whoever loses, whoever that may be. On this forum, it's so obvious that everything is just "whatever," as my buddy from Canada would say. You guys belittle, insult, lie, act all high and mighty with zero substance, throw threats around, and somehow still think you're better than everyone else. 🤣

It shouldn't be too much trouble for you to dig up and back up these accusations.

I'll be the first to admit that Mamic certainly possesses certain talents; over time, he learned how to navigate certain systems quite effectively. However, I will also say that he is nothing more than a thief, someone who uses his specific skillset solely to benefit himself and the rest of his criminal enterprise by extorting public assets like Real Madrid, the national team, and taxpayer money. As for his leadership style and general lack of sophistication, there isn't much left to say. The net impact of his social influence is entirely negative, and he belongs behind bars. Everything else is just a matter of detail.

And, if my memory serves, the only people who were ever truly valued were those who persistently chose to either deny or downplay the criminal elements of his legacy.

People are coming for Zoki over that comment, especially since Lana’s printing company was the biggest donor during the Kirin campaign 😁

Look, I’m not planning on voting, but if that one statement is enough to make someone jump ship and vote for the Republican Party, then honestly, they probably need a bucket of ice water thrown at them just to snap out of it.

The Democratic Party is essentially a collection of proven mediocrities. They’ve squandered enough opportunities already and left voters hanging far too many times. As I see it, brightpilot6’s whole argument boils down to saying we should vote for them simply because there's someone even worse waiting in the wings. That’s exactly how they stay relevant—not through any actual merit, but because when enough people get fed up with the Republican Party, they become the default fallback option. Personally, I don't see why we should reward such clearly defined incompetence.

Ultimately, alongside the Republican Party, they represent nothing more than a failed direction over the last three decades. I honestly just want to see them fail, and I have no intention of slowing down their inevitable collapse.

Lol about Milan Bandić getting kicked out of the Democratic Party 🤣 yeah, Zoki finally realized just how much of a disaster Milan was and decided it was time to cut him loose 🙏
I remember being just a kid back in my small hometown, and even then, Milan Bandić was already acting exactly like he does today—totally unchanged. His whole playbook stays the same. He brought in all that money for the Democratic Party in Washington, D.C., and that’s the only reason they didn't toss him out sooner. It wasn't until he had the nerve to run for President that they absolutely crushed him. By then, it was too late; the guy had already built such a massive web of influence that he could stay in power as long as he damn well pleased. And honestly? You can thank Zoki for that.

So yeah, Zoran is just like everyone else—actually, maybe worse, because he basically held the ladder for a guy who basically controlled the most important city in the entire country. He covered for him on purpose because it kept the perks coming.
And why was he the absolute worst Prime Minister? Look at his economic policies, look at the crowd of people he surrounded himself with to draft them... I mean, seriously, these are people whose biggest achievement was fixing up Marshall's old boat in some random city.

So yeah, Zoki, suck it. Sending kisses from my ski trip 👋

Charles Roberts33 said:The Democratic Party is essentially a collection of proven mediocrities. They’ve squandered enough opportunities already and left voters hanging far too many times. As I see it, brightpilot6’s whole argument boils down to saying we should vote for them simply because there's someone even worse waiting in the wings. That’s exactly how they stay relevant—not through any actual merit, but because when enough people get fed up with the Republican Party, they become the default fallback option. Personally, I don't see why we should reward such clearly defined incompetence.

Ultimately, alongside the Republican Party, they represent nothing more than a failed direction over the last three decades. I honestly just want to see them fail, and I have no intention of slowing down their inevitable collapse.

What would you actually do if someone robbed you blind or if fifteen idiots spent an hour beating you senseless?
If you say "nothing," then you're just asking to get kicked around.

I'm waiting for a smart answer.

Just give us the breakdown already, man...

Matthew Young35 said:What would you actually do if someone robbed you blind or if fifteen idiots spent an hour beating you senseless?
If you say "nothing," then you're just asking to get kicked around.

I'm waiting for a smart answer.

Honestly, a better question would be—would you rather die of lung cancer or liver cancer? Pick one. 🍿

loneseal said:Honestly, a better question would be—would you rather die of lung cancer or liver cancer? Pick one. 🍿

I beg to differ.
If we’re going to talk about illness, I think we have to be honest with ourselves. Would you rather deal with lung cancer or herpes? It really comes down to how you view life.
And you? You just go ahead and decide who's who.

Amanda Evans2 said:Just give us the breakdown already, man...

It just doesn't hit the same anymore.

Rachel Cooper3 said:It just doesn't hit the same anymore.

It’s about time we cleared our heads...