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Paul Martinez73 said:What are you even sucking on $33 for? ☕
Didn't you just sit here crying about wanting a perm? Go back to sobbing somewhere else, serious topics clearly aren't for you.
restlesssurfer97 said:🙂🙂🙂
Watching a user face their own sheer stupidity head-on is honestly like music to my ears. 😂😂
Instead of crawling back into your little hole, you're out here providing us with all this new entertainment, and honestly, I really appreciate it.
Paul Martinez73 said:But sure, go ahead and claim the mortality rate is low or similar to the flu. Or maybe argue that the numbers are high only because everyone is getting hospitalized and tested? Do you see the contradiction there? What are you even basing these assumptions on, since you haven't provided a shred of evidence for this "six weeks of mild cases" theory... maybe you'll actually have some proof for this part?
That’s like claiming HIV mortality rates are fake because plenty of people die worldwide without being recorded, or arguing that people aren't being recorded in the stats because there are still huge numbers of cases in Africa that aren't tracked.
Why focus on anything other than reporting the confirmed cases and the outcomes of those reported cases? If there's a massive wave of unreported infections, there's an equally massive wave of unreported deaths. One rises with the other; you can try to nitpick the known figures all you want, but you can't just delete the imaginary ones you think are more accurate...
That's like saying HIV mortality rates are fake because people die globally without being recorded, or claiming they aren't recorded because there are still huge numbers in Africa that aren't in the statistics.
If there are tons of unreported infections, there are also plenty of unreported deaths. One rises with the other—you can cling to the known figures all you want, but you can't just erase the ones you think are imaginary.
Anthony Jackson2 said:I can, because I’m using common sense.
At the end of the day, even the Chinese authorities are finding the mortality rate is under 1%—despite those initial estimates of 3-4%—simply because these things are tallied and adjusted once the dust settles, accounting for the probability of undiagnosed cases.
Besides, a janitor in Charleston who was an early patient was only caught through random testing—which just proves it's impossible to track the spread accurately when we don't truly know who's sick and who isn't.That's like saying HIV mortality rates are fake because people die globally without being recorded, or claiming they aren't recorded because there are still huge numbers in Africa that aren't in the statistics.
I'm not saying it's fake—just that there's room for error in measuring stats like this, especially while the epidemic is still peaking. Accuracy improves over time as tracking continues; I shouldn't have to explain that.If there are tons of unreported infections, there are also plenty of unreported deaths. One rises with the other—you can cling to the known figures all you want, but you can't just erase the ones you think are imaginary.
Look, I already said there are unreported deaths, but the fact remains that practically no country knows who their "patient zero" is—which means the reliability of the data tracking is low.
restlesssurfer97 said:Man, you really are just straight-up clueless, and honestly, I was only half-joking when I said you were an idiot 🤦
Amanda Evans2 said:Free Scribd access for the day
Alright, let’s move on from all this mindless bickering where everyone is just obsessed with their own little stats and numbers
Let's go playing hacks
Let's get more frequent with the grind
Jacob Morgan said:it's not even normal, it’s just whatever anyone wants to do
restlesssurfer97 said:Honestly, it’s probably for the best that goats have no clue what’s going on, because if they actually followed social distancing rules, Paul Martinez73 would be absolutely nothing these days 😂
Paul Martinez73 said:Dr. DarkRaven, do you just have a crystal ball that tells you exactly when someone's time is up?
I have someone in my own family dealing with a serious illness right now; they've already fought through two nasty bouts of the flu and their strength is basically gone. If this whole mess hits them and they pass away, would you just shrug and say, "Well, they were going to die soon regardless" or "They would have died from the flu anyway"?
God, you look ridiculous trying so hard to justify your takes just so you can play judge and jury over whether someone is ready to go. If someone is sitting in a hospital bed, they're pretty much ready to die regardless. 🙏
And while we're at it, let's settle this: are there really this many victims and full hospitals because everyone is getting tested, or is the death rate so high simply because only the critical cases make it into the official stats while most people just recover at home?
We should probably apply that same logic to the mortality rate of the flu, too. Is every single case of the flu being tracked? If we’re looking at a 2% mortality rate here versus 0.01% for the flu, and you try to argue the number is ten times lower just because most people recovered at home without hitting the statistics, then we have to apply that exact same reasoning to the flu.
Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...ts-died-italy/
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher because of demographics—the nation has the second oldest population in the world—and the way hospitals record deaths.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous, in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are considered to be dying of the coronavirus.”
“Upon re-evaluation by the National Institutes of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates showed a direct link to coronavirus, while 88 per cent of the patients who passed away had at least one pre-existing condition— many had two or three,” he noted.
“This doesn't imply that COVID-19 didn't contribute to a patient's death; rather, it shows that Italy's fatality numbers spiked because a huge portion of the patients already had underlying health issues.”
What happened in Italy needs to be looked at through additional perspective. A scientific paper by A. and g. Remuzzi published in The Lancet in March 2020 showed that the average age of the first 827 deaths in Italy was 81 years old, and more than two-thirds had diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, or were former smokers. Essentially, these were the same people who likely would have died from the flu anyway if they hadn't been vaccinated. Furthermore, in a study by Rosano et al. published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases in 2019, the flu was attributed to 20,259 deaths in Italy during the 2014-15 season, and in the 2016-17 season...There have been a total of 24,981 deaths, even with vaccination efforts underway. This suggests that the final death toll from COVID-19 in Italy could end up being at least roughly comparable to those figures if current infection and mortality rates continue to decline in the coming days.
