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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#16961 ·
The fundamental issue here is that you were swinging blindly from the start without any real sense of direction regarding the data. And let’s be honest, you didn't have any because nobody actually did. There isn't any reliable information right now either, since no one can truly fathom how many people would have been infected or lost in any given country if we hadn't implemented such sweeping measures.

You wouldn't base a household budget on uneducated guesswork, so why on earth would anyone attempt to plan a national economy that way?
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16962 ·
So, this documentary actually leaked onto all those pirate sites already, which is wild, and now Yahoo is reporting that Toni Kukoč is going to be one of the big stars in the fifth installment, so you can just catch it on Netflix this coming Monday.

☕
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16963 ·
Thank God for that.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16964 ·
But just think about Jordan for a second, imagine if a documentary all about him and the Chicago Bulls dropped right in the middle of the quarantine era, man, anything he touches basically turns to gold 🤣
Anthony Wright30 Anthony Wright30 Active Member
189 messages
joined Oct 2017
#16965 ·
I suppose Scottie Pippen was a bit much for me to process during those first four installments.
Michael Flores8 Michael Flores8 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2020
#16966 ·
On May 11th, I watched the 1985 NBA Finals matchup between Cibona and Žalgiris on HRT, followed by three consecutive days of watching Jugoplastika secure three straight titles in their finals. It was quite a delightful marathon 😁
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16967 ·
Anthony Wright30 said:I suppose Scottie Pippen was a bit much for me to process during those first four installments.

Look, he’s got a point there, but he really didn't need to throw Toni Kukoč and the rest of the teammates under the bus.

Nobody forced him to sign that long-term deal. If I remember correctly, the guy signed for six years at 2.7 million, and back then, the league was absolutely flooded with cash, so he wasn't even in the top 100 highest earners.

Maybe if he hadn't acted like such a jerk, Kraus would have given him the chance to negotiate a new deal. But hey, knowing him, he probably would've been just as stubborn regardless.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#16968 ·


I just sat down and watched this again after a long time... these guys are the real deal. They aren't some manufactured, soft-hearted posers like Jordan.
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#16969 ·
restlesssurfer97 said:But just think about Jordan for a second, imagine if a documentary all about him and the Chicago Bulls dropped right in the middle of the quarantine era, man, anything he touches basically turns to gold 🤣

I believe they mentioned it was supposed to come out after the NBA Finals, but since there's no basketball happening right now, they just dropped the doc immediately. 🙏
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#16970 ·
I’ve watched the first three episodes, and I'm honestly not sure if I'll stick with it until the end. I just don't feel there's enough substance to justify sitting in front of the TV for another five hours. To me, the most compelling parts are the stories and footage about growing up and those early career milestones. All that stuff about the second three-peat and the internal club drama feels a bit like artificial hype, trying to make the movie more dramatic than reality actually was. Generally speaking, the NBA always markets itself as this larger-than-life saga, focusing heavily on individuals and their personal struggles just so the whole circus can put on a spectacle. I don't think any other American league treats its stars quite like that. This documentary seems like just another PR stunt for Jordan and the NBA, and in that sense, it's almost perfect. I do have to praise the quality of the footage from over 20 years ago, though; you wouldn't even guess it wasn't filmed recently.
gentlerider54 gentlerider54 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2014
#16971 ·
Anthony Wright30 said:I suppose they aren't actually testing everyone arriving from abroad, but rather just pursuing a policy of self-isolation. It’s almost as if there is still a lingering suggestion that you might bring the virus in, based on the assumption that our streets here in the States are perfectly pristine while things are supposedly messy elsewhere.

My neighbor actually just got back from Germany today... he shows this confirmation from his company at the border and that gives him the right to stay in the States for 72 hours...☕
At the border, all they really do is ask for his phone number and where he’ll be staying, then give him a quick warning that he needs to head out within three days.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#16972 ·
brightpilot6 said:The fundamental issue here is that you were swinging blindly from the start without any real sense of direction regarding the data. And let’s be honest, you didn't have any because nobody actually did. There isn't any reliable information right now either, since no one can truly fathom how many people would have been infected or lost in any given country if we hadn't implemented such sweeping measures.

You wouldn't base a household budget on uneducated guesswork, so why on earth would anyone attempt to plan a national economy that way?

Well, there’s a catch in all of this. Even those extreme measures—I’m mostly talking about the total economic lockdown—were implemented without much hard data to back them up. I guess I understand the logic that prevention is better than cure, but prevent what exactly? People already live normal lives alongside existing risks; there are hundreds of illnesses out there that people face, yet society manages to coexist with those dangers. It feels like people have been scared into believing a certain kind of death is inevitable. I don't think people are actually afraid of the virus because they're worried about overloading the healthcare system. If that were really the case, so many things wouldn't be part of our daily lives. I suppose the human brain just isn't wired to spend every waking moment in a state of tension simply because "the system might fail." People aren't thinking about the system; they're thinking about the immediate threat to themselves. People got terrified of the virus because they were sold a story that it would kill them. And honestly, that seems dangerous, maybe because it erodes people's confidence, their will to live, and their faith in tomorrow. Even during the American Civil War, it wasn't like this. Stadiums like Maksimir used to be packed, even though a single idiot on the opposing side could have caused massive casualties with artillery. People would cross a pontoon bridge at Maslenica even while being targeted. They accepted much higher risks because they didn't see the point in hiding away. Now, kids can't even go to the park because of a perceived danger. It’s because the narrative was pushed that a child on a slide could catch a virus that wipes out the whole family. When the first case was identified, people in Washington, D.C. acted like a nuclear reactor had exploded near a power plant. I guess it's because they've been taught to fear a painful end.

I’m already quite familiar with the whole history of this virus, including the statistics from places like Bergamo, Spain, and New York. There’s really no need to go in that direction, as you're just stating things everyone already knows. If anyone is going to make decisions that could potentially ruin millions of lives, they should probably stick to hard facts rather than relying on computer projections that aren't even close to reality and seem to change every single day. Personally, I'm doing fine; my job is secure, and my pay has actually never been higher. In fact, I actually enjoy working from home since it gives me more time to spend with my kid. But I can see what’s happening around me. Someone effectively shut down people's livelihoods and incomes, yet everyone still needs to keep their fridge stocked. It seems to me that those who crashed the economy don't even understand the basics—neither regarding the virus nor economics. They don't even seem sure about whether masks are necessary, so why am I supposed to accept that these draconian measures were timely or accurate? No thanks. I certainly won't be justifying myself to extremists who call people out just for walking around outside. To be honest, I don't really care about the risk of getting infected or infecting someone else, because objectively speaking, I’m not putting myself at risk—I maintain my distance and I'm not touching door handles. If I somehow catch it just by walking down the street, then I'll just shake hands with the virus and congratulate it. But there is absolutely no way I'm going to apologize to anyone for being out.
darkseal9 darkseal9 Active Member
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joined Jan 2017
#16973 ·
Honestly, it feels like this economic collapse is going to be way more brutal than anything we saw with Corona
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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joined May 2004
#16974 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Well, there’s a catch in all of this. Even those extreme measures—I’m mostly talking about the total economic lockdown—were implemented without much hard data to back them up. I guess I understand the logic that prevention is better than cure, but prevent what exactly? People already live normal lives alongside existing risks; there are hundreds of illnesses out there that people face, yet society manages to coexist with those dangers. It feels like people have been scared into believing a certain kind of death is inevitable. I don't think people are actually afraid of the virus because they're worried about overloading the healthcare system. If that were really the case, so many things wouldn't be part of our daily lives. I suppose the human brain just isn't wired to spend every waking moment in a state of tension simply because "the system might fail." People aren't thinking about the system; they're thinking about the immediate threat to themselves. People got terrified of the virus because they were sold a story that it would kill them. And honestly, that seems dangerous, maybe because it erodes people's confidence, their will to live, and their faith in tomorrow. Even during the American Civil War, it wasn't like this. Stadiums like Maksimir used to be packed, even though a single idiot on the opposing side could have caused massive casualties with artillery. People would cross a pontoon bridge at Maslenica even while being targeted. They accepted much higher risks because they didn't see the point in hiding away. Now, kids can't even go to the park because of a perceived danger. It’s because the narrative was pushed that a child on a slide could catch a virus that wipes out the whole family. When the first case was identified, people in Washington, D.C. acted like a nuclear reactor had exploded near a power plant. I guess it's because they've been taught to fear a painful end.

I’m already quite familiar with the whole history of this virus, including the statistics from places like Bergamo, Spain, and New York. There’s really no need to go in that direction, as you're just stating things everyone already knows. If anyone is going to make decisions that could potentially ruin millions of lives, they should probably stick to hard facts rather than relying on computer projections that aren't even close to reality and seem to change every single day. Personally, I'm doing fine; my job is secure, and my pay has actually never been higher. In fact, I actually enjoy working from home since it gives me more time to spend with my kid. But I can see what’s happening around me. Someone effectively shut down people's livelihoods and incomes, yet everyone still needs to keep their fridge stocked. It seems to me that those who crashed the economy don't even understand the basics—neither regarding the virus nor economics. They don't even seem sure about whether masks are necessary, so why am I supposed to accept that these draconian measures were timely or accurate? No thanks. I certainly won't be justifying myself to extremists who call people out just for walking around outside. To be honest, I don't really care about the risk of getting infected or infecting someone else, because objectively speaking, I’m not putting myself at risk—I maintain my distance and I'm not touching door handles. If I somehow catch it just by walking down the street, then I'll just shake hands with the virus and congratulate it. But there is absolutely no way I'm going to apologize to anyone for being out.

Beautifully written. I'm not saying I agree with everything, but that was a really well-explained perspective.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16975 ·
Personally, what gets to me the most is just how inconsistent all these measures have been.
On one hand, you've got this total lockdown being forced on everyone, but then on the other, we’re constantly reading about people who were basically begging just to get tested.
And there's a whole mountain of other stuff we've been chewing over in these discussions for almost two months now, though feel free to correct me, Dabi, if I've got the timeline off by a day or two.

If you look at the data, it's not even an exaggeration to say there were plenty of countries out there that managed to hold things down without ever resorting to a quarantine. Instead of actually looking at what they were doing and following their lead, we basically skipped right over their preventative steps and jumped straight into a full-blown quarantine.

It's starting to look more and more likely that a total lockdown wasn't actually necessary on a global scale, and obviously, it's easy to play general after the battle is over, but man, if we had just followed the playbook of those other countries—the ones that didn't need lockdowns—and then only turned to quarantine as a last resort when nothing else worked, we wouldn't be sitting here with so much reason to be frustrated.

And when it comes to testing, we're still stuck hanging out in the bottom 20% of all of Europe.
Douglas Sullivan11 Douglas Sullivan11 Newcomer
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#16976 ·
Anthony Wright30 said:I suppose Scottie Pippen was a bit much for me to process during those first four installments.

Since I was actually living in Chicago back during that era, I distinctly remember some of my old school friends—guys of African descent—constantly trashing Pippen, claiming he was just a terrible human being.

It turns out they might have been onto something.

P.S. Having caught two of his games live, I find myself most struck by Pippen. It seems entirely possible to be an absolute legend on the court while being a total zero as a person. Think of someone like Davor Šuker.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16977 ·
I'm only clicking on this Linkam because of the comment section at the bottom, honestly, since everyone has already started tearing yesterday's heroes to shreds.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#16978 ·
"You look like a little flower"
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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#16979 ·
A signature piece in GQ—it’s exactly the kind of stubborn conviction I’ve been preaching from day one.
A stance that people like Stozer and his band of sycophants have mocked as narrow-minded, mostly because they were too terrified of a common cold to even peek out from under their blankets.
A stance that, until just a month ago, was branded as irrational, selfish, and forbidden.

When we hit the absolute peak of this "battle" against a virus, we were down to less than five percent ventilator capacity. ICU beds were running low, and setting up field hospitals in stadiums or arenas wasn't going to provide timely prevention anyway; all that logistics stuff got sorted out in forty-eight hours. What we actually saw was a massive wave of panic, manufactured by the media from day one, following what we already suspected was a coordinated agreement with the Prime Minister.

I’m certainly not seeing any reports lately about record-low death tolls in places like Spain or Italy. No, instead, they are actively hunting for new hotspots and manufactured catastrophes.
It’s become crystal clear what the leadership wants: they need to keep the spotlight fixed on the task force until the elections roll around in July. As soon as we stop obsessing over the infected, as soon as we stop the daily ritual of announcing nine new cases at 2 PM and stigmatizing specific regions of the US, Beroš and his crew will suddenly become irrelevant again, fading back into the background where they belong.
In that exact moment, the public's attention will be diverted away from what is being systematically ignored: the economy, our way of life, and our general prosperity.
That is what we decided to irrevocably destroy, all based on the logic of "what if..."

From the very beginning, we’ve tried to pose the alternative question here: what if we don't...?

It takes actual courage to act differently. And no, I’m not claiming we should have done absolutely nothing, but there is a massive spectrum between the most draconian lockdowns in the world and total inaction.
That is the middle ground that no one ever even attempted to discuss.

In a way, I’m almost glad this crisis exposed just how hypocritical we all are, and how everyone is ultimately just looking out for their own skin.
The reality is simple: it's all about self-preservation because people are scared, because they're terrified, because they think they're going to die.

Fine. Go ahead and starve to death instead.
urbanhawk17 urbanhawk17 Regular
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joined Mar 2020
#16980 ·
Joseph Clark37 said:Was that why the pavilion in Madrid was built and used at almost full capacity? Because there was no need to fill up hospitals? They sent a hospital ship because the pressure on New York's medical facilities eased up, and thank God, there's no need for its use. You can go to hell, along with anyone else acting like a typical "general after the battle," laughing and pretending to be brilliant. You're idiots. Look, you're in power, facing a pandemic with zero credible scientific research on how exactly this thing spreads, the extent of it, how it affects the human body, or what variables increase or decrease transmission. You don't have precise data on enough variables to create an exact formula—something 100% effective at stopping the pandemic in your country while minimizing economic damage. So, based on limited information, you make decisions to protect public health. You take expert recommendations, look at the limited experience of other countries over a tiny window of time, weigh models ranging from best-case to worst-case scenarios, and make what you believe is the best call. And lo and behold, the government implements precautionary measures to prepare for the absolute worst. Now that the peak of the first wave has passed—hopefully—comes the flood of fools mocking the government and the response. Leading them is that pig Šprajc, acting smart with his little jokes while everyone bows down to him like he's a genius. His entire logical deduction boils down to this: if someone goes on a mission to Africa and gets vaccinated for yellow fever, typhoid, and hepatitis A and B, then finishes their tour and returns healthy, people mock the decision to vaccinate by saying, "See? He didn't even need it." What a moron... 🤣 It’s easy for you, you clown Šprajc, and the rest of these forum jokers to laugh at the measures because, in the end, only 75 people died in the country. But nothing is easier than playing general after the war is over. It's a good thing neither you nor any of these people are in the position of making life-altering decisions during crises, or you'd be screwed, and there wouldn't be anyone left to laugh about it.

So, everyone who thinks differently than you is an idiot?

Damn.

By the way, the Ken guy you've been quoting since day one is against the measures, not some post-battle general mocking Šprajc's words.

You're restless. Put on a mask and relax.

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