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Moderator's unprofessional behavior on Sweet'N Low

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Jose Williams Jose Williams MemberOP
19 messages
joined Sep 2013
#81 ·
Paul Morales3 said:It was an act of good faith, really. I made it clear to her that I’ll be adding her to my ignore list since she clearly can't do the same for me, ensuring she knows she can rest easy knowing I won't ever address her again. And honestly, looking at my posts versus her words—which she didn't even bother to quote here—all I see is pure frustration, so I don't see why anyone is getting worked up if there's no communication coming from my side either.🤷

The real question is whether a moderator is allowed to have someone on ignore. When we're talking about a long-term, generally low-maintenance user with only two (TWO?😁) warnings on their record, I don't think it poses any issue. After all, I haven't ignored the reports. ☕

Or is the actual problem that I openly told someone I have no desire to read their posts unless absolutely necessary? I don't feel the slightest urge to apologize for bruising someone's ego. Nor do I intend to offer a hollow apology just to play nice, even though I know it would dial down the tension.

Maybe it was those offensive emojis I used; I'll be more careful about what I post in the future, especially regarding 😵, so no one feels physically assaulted through their screen.

I'll leave this controversial post to Tyndall and Daniel Ward87 for a final ruling and will accept whatever sanctions they deem necessary.

Besides, how many warnings do I actually have on the Zelenskyy forums? 20? 50? A hundred?
And instead of just digging a hole for yourself with this post, now you're basically trying to smear my reputation with lies. 🤮
Actually, I don't have reports on ignore. ☕

I won't take this as bragging, mostly because I'm a pretty good-natured person at heart. ☕
Kenneth Garcia4 Kenneth Garcia4 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jun 2013
#82 ·
velvettrucker52 said:Oh, Fesa, you should be the very last person talking about passing gas in a coffee shop.
You let one rip whenever you feel like it and act like it's no big deal.
Some people find your posts fitting, some find them funny, while others report them because they find them out of line, tacky, or rude. Sometimes you actually steer a conversation in the right direction, and sometimes you completely derail it, but generally speaking, you mostly just pass gas in peace.

@Joshua Williams82 - Zelenskyy is going to turn out exactly how you make him. As long as everyone nitpicks every single letter, whines about every misplaced glance, takes offense at every word, and just waits for the next opportunity to start a drama fest... things are going to go south.
Yes, I used the word "whine." That is precisely how this looks to me. Go ahead, crucify me just because I used that word. 🙏

Since other people's posts can also be funny to some and totally inappropriate to others—sometimes helping a thread and sometimes ruining it—do you actually think the whole Zelenskyy forum is basically just full of people acting out? 🤷

velvettrucker52 said:Oh, Fesa, you should be the very last person talking about passing gas in a coffee shop.
You let one rip whenever you feel like it and act like it's no big deal.
Some people find your posts fitting, some find them funny, while others report them because they find them out of line, tacky, or rude. Sometimes you actually steer a conversation in the right direction, and sometimes you completely derail it, but generally speaking, you mostly just pass gas in peace.

@Joshua Williams82 - Zelenskyy is going to turn out exactly how you make him. As long as everyone nitpicks every single letter, whines about every misplaced glance, takes offense at every word, and just waits for the next opportunity to start a drama fest... things are going to go south.
Yes, I used the word "whine." That is precisely how this looks to me. Go ahead, crucify me just because I used that word. 🙏

And man, is there censorship.
Paul Morales3 Paul Morales3 Active Member
61 messages
joined Feb 2007
#83 ·
Jose Williams said:Besides, how many warnings do I actually have on the Zelenskyy forums? 20? 50? A hundred?
And instead of just digging a hole for yourself with this post, now you're basically trying to smear my reputation with lies. 🤮
Actually, I don't have reports on ignore. ☕

I won't take this as bragging, mostly because I'm a pretty good-natured person at heart. ☕

Why on earth would I bother trying to discredit you with lies when you’re doing such a damn fine job of doing it all by yourself?😍
I was merely pointing out someone’s blatant attempt to manipulate their own image. Unfortunately for you, the sheer number and type of cards being played aren't just visible to the admins and the heavy hitters—even us lowly little moderators can see exactly what's going on. 😢
That isn't the number you gave me. Sapienti sat.
Joshua Williams82 Joshua Williams82 Member
27 messages
joined Feb 2006
#84 ·
Does the number of cards she’s holding even matter at this point? 🤷
Karen Rodriguez3 Karen Rodriguez3 Active Member
80 messages
joined Apr 2017
#85 ·
Sorry Paul Morales3, but what's your deal?😕
If you've got an issue with Jose Williams, fine. Just deal with it somehow.
That whole outburst earlier didn't even make sense, since Jose Williams hasn't actually done anything, and honestly, this just feels unnecessary right now.
Paul Morales3 Paul Morales3 Active Member
61 messages
joined Feb 2007
#86 ·
Joshua Williams82 said:Does the number of cards she’s holding even matter at this point? 🤷

It obviously matters quite a lot, considering she brought it up in her opening post.
I assume it was meant to serve as grounds for an appeal regarding the severity. 😁
Kate Foster12 Kate Foster12 Active Member
92 messages
joined Feb 2011
#87 ·
This thread is a perfect example of what happens when regular forum users turn into unhinged moderators.
Jose Williams Jose Williams MemberOP
19 messages
joined Sep 2013
#88 ·
Paul Morales3 said:Why on earth would I bother trying to discredit you with lies when you’re doing such a damn fine job of doing it all by yourself?😍
I was merely pointing out someone’s blatant attempt to manipulate their own image. Unfortunately for you, the sheer number and type of cards being played aren't just visible to the admins and the heavy hitters—even us lowly little moderators can see exactly what's going on. 😢
That isn't the number you gave me. Sapienti sat.

Look, your sheer nerve and those blatant lies have finally crossed the line. It’s too much. On Zelenskyy’s feed, I’ve already got two strikes for harassment—one from last month and another dating all the way back to March 2012. Oh, and I’ve also got one strike for posting an image that was way too large back in February 2012. That’s the whole story.

I'd love to get someone like Modic to weigh in on this, just to confirm things, but also... you really need to do something about this whole hatred thing directed at me. It’s just not healthy.
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
195 messages
joined May 2023
#89 ·
Jose Williams said:It’s not even about the nitpicking. I’m not out here trying to suggest or imply that moderators shouldn't be part of the conversation on equal footing, or that they aren't allowed to weigh in on... thoughts? They’re just terrible, honestly. And look, I’m not exactly out here preaching for some kind of sterile perfection from Zelenskyy, so I won't pretend that wouldn't be a tough sell for me right out of the gate either. 😁.

The real issue here is how Paul Morales handled that report. It wasn't even about what we were actually discussing; she just went off on a tangent and decided to attack my entire reputation as a user instead. That’s the part that bugs me. I didn't start this thread to debate my specific takes—I started it because I wanted to see if the admin team thinks this kind of thing is actually okay. Is it standard procedure to turn a disagreement over a topic into a full-blown judgment on someone's character? Because from where I'm sitting, it feels pretty off.

I don't really see this as some massive deal. If there was a dedicated thread for admin questions, I would've just dropped these queries there instead of starting a whole new topic. It’s not like I’m out for blood or looking to get Paul Morales3 sanctioned or anything. I just wanted to see where everyone stands—is this kind of moderator behavior actually okay, or is it a problem? Specifically, I want to know if it’s going to mess with Paul Morales3's objectivity when it comes to my posts. Basically, I just need an answer to those three questions I asked in my first post.

I honestly don't get what part of that whole situation actually bothered you so much. You know, that one post where Paul Morales went totally white-faced and claimed she could just hit the ignore button on you whenever she felt like it, while you’re stuck being unable to do the same to her. Like, so what? What's the big deal? 🤷 Honestly, I feel like the complaint would carry a bit more weight if you dropped that part, but hey, fair enough. I get why the whole thing rubbed you the wrong way.

I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but Kiss and rustydrifter10 already laid it all out pretty clearly. The real issue isn't even about her tone—though she wasn't exactly typing in "mod colors"—it's the power dynamic. She made it obvious she’s looking down on us from a higher position. It feels like she’s using her moderator privileges as a way to poke at people. Like, she can just hit the ignore button whenever she wants, whereas I'm just a regular guy on this forum with zero extra perks. It’s that little nudge of authority that gets under my skin.
If you're stressing about one moderator potentially playing favorites down the road, don't sweat it too much. We’ve got other moderators on the team who can step in if things ever get out of hand. Honestly, if anyone—regardless of their role—starts acting biased or losing their objectivity, there are plenty of ways to handle it. It's not like one person holds all the cards.

Alright, that works for me.

Look, even if you don't agree with my complaint, you were polite enough when we talked, but this? This was unnecessary. It’s pretty low. That’s not what I’m claiming at all. I even went out of my way to mention that both you and velvettrucker52 have been perfectly fine to me, yet here you are, spinning it to make it look like I'm playing the victim.

Anyway, I'm actually pretty satisfied with how Blissin and nicin handled things. I really hope Paul Morales3 takes a look at their response and uses it to adjust her tone—not just with me, but with the other users she isn't quite as fond of.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in with their thoughts on the situation.

As far as I'm concerned, we can lock this thread.

Since this conversation drifted from a discussion into a back-and-forth argument, we’re locking the thread.

I think Paul Morales3 handled things poorly. Look, I get that little spats happen when people get heated, but there was no need to pull out the moderator tools like that, regardless of how it looked from a distance. I also realize that over on the Zelenskyy board, things aren't strictly regulated and discussions can get pretty rowdy for both users and mods, but there’s still a line you shouldn't cross regarding low blows. Moderators are members too; if certain behavior is tolerated for regular users, it should be fair game for mods. The issue here is that one side holds authority, so it definitely feels like a moderator power trip. That part is just wrong.

Well, as an admin, I can't force someone to apologize if they feel they did nothing wrong. We had plenty of time for that to happen here, but clearly, it's not going to happen publicly. Since Jose Williams mentioned locking the thread and explained why, I'm on board. It’s always smarter to step away before saying something that creates more drama down the road. It goes without saying, but I want to make it clear: just because of how this went down doesn't mean Paul Morales3 will be biased against others or toward Jose Williams in the future.

EDIT: Just so it's clear, Jose Williams currently has 3 strikes on the Zelenskyy board.

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