MK, vol. 219483

Linda Price5 said:And why shouldn't I? I suppose if they just granted me unlimited editing privileges and promised the mods would leave me alone, then whenever someone on the PŽK complained about me, I could simply delete my own posts and call it a day.

It’s a joke. A red card for some harmless trolling, yet absolutely nothing for a moderator (!!) suggesting we lay hands on sick children—and I highly doubt any "virtuous" moderator actually understands what ADHD is, likely assuming it's just a synonym for being difficult. Since the moderator was sweet enough to scrub the evidence, his own preserved post remains unpunished, even though he went out of his way to delete everyone else's.

It’s revolting.

Raising kids isn't some trivial task that just happens on its own. It’s serious work that requires actual commitment—there’s no magic trick to it. You might walk through the door at 8 PM feeling completely drained, but you still have to carve out quality time for your little ones. In this day and age, you really need support from the school system, though unfortunately, most daycare centers and schools have shifted from holistic development to just basic academics, and even then, the quality is questionable.
Six-kilo backpacks, smartphones, and all those other digital distractions. Honestly, students should show up with as few books as possible and just leave their phones and gadgets in a locker until the school day is over.
The hyperactive mess they've become is entirely on the parents. One wrong move or one little tantrum, and you see exactly how much "discipline" they think is necessary.

I don't exactly subscribe to the idea that every instance of physical discipline qualifies as abuse. Neither do I.

Nicholas King said:Every single child has significantly more developed mechanisms and a much better capacity for recognizing things than some senile old woman—does that mean it’s perfectly fine to slap Grandma Hedwig when her own mechanisms and recognition skills fail her?

BTW, you are grossly underestimating both children and their actual ability to process things. On the contrary—and I am repeating this to counter the absolute nonsense that physical punishment from parents is actually a sign of neglect or a lack of care—a slap or a kick in the rear is nothing more than a disgusting shortcut. It's used because people want to follow the principle of "one kick in the butt speaks louder than a thousand words" just so they can get back to staring at math equations, sipping a beer, and engaging in typical male banter in peace.

Alex Barnes8 said:Not really about moral values, I guess. More about stupid beliefs. ☕

the hallmarks are absolute certainty in everything, zero sense of humor, no irony, no grasp on life's nuances, and just childish posturing ☕

Sounds like you're describing your dear Chuck. 😛

Linda Price5 said:No, he's simply advocating for slapping kids with ADHD—and he's slapping his own while he's at it. 😁

Linda Price5 said:If a fifteen-year-old destroys a MacBook $2333, or totals a $40,000 vehicle out of pure spite, you aren't looking at a "misunderstood" kid—you're looking at either a psychotic break or a complete failure of parenting up to that point.

hollowmoose77 said:I have a child. My child has had an ADHD diagnosis since preschool age, so for about 10 years now.
I don't write much, I just don't have the time (a hyperactive child is a handful, seriously, they are truly hyperactive), and I wouldn't have even stepped in if I hadn't ended up crying my eyes out last night. I've been reading this forum for years for the same reason I watch things like *Two and a Half Men*... just to have a laugh when I'm in that kind of mood, and it never occurred to me to get seriously involved in a debate because I knew it would end... well, bitterly, in any case. Because sometimes people overdo it, actually quite often, and then I just go off and read about cosmetics; at least there I'm not thinking about things that make me want to cry. Last night I wasn't even reading about cosmetics, I was just so upset, because my life isn't hard because my kid is hyper, it's hard because people have such "unique ways" of expressing themselves and behaving.
That's why it made me happy today (and believe me, that isn't easy) to come across this topic, because it makes me happy every time I see there are still people who understand that being hyperactive isn't the same as being poorly behaved, that physical punishment didn't just fall from the sky, and that they have the strength to open these topics on the forum (I didn't have that strength yesterday; my child had a really bad day). The problem with this thread, besides the "mild" suggestion of physical punishment, is that you don't actually understand what hyperactivity really is; instead, you grab onto something and frustratingly take it to an absurd extreme. Which is also what happens when you bring feminism into it, but here we are talking about—and I'll be brief just so I can make it somewhat clear to you—a medical condition.
In the last 13 or so years, I have hit my hyperactive child exactly five times... I regret every single one of those five times, and I will never regret it. And if it had worked, I'd probably regret it even more. But it didn't. IT DIDN'T. It was just proof of my complete helplessness in that moment.
When you have a child one day and realize (or others, like doctors, realize) that they are hyperactive, I am available for anything... and I truly mean this, you are going to need every bit of support you can get.

Linda Price5 said:My concern isn't regarding the penalty for expressing an opinion; my issue is with a moderator inciting domestic violence. 🙂

bluemason3 said:Federal law prohibits inciting hatred based on race, gender, or other protected characteristics. If you’re going to go after every single "sexist" or "homophobic" comment on Reddit, you might as well just shut the whole site down right now—it's the exact same logic applied to the people being discussed here. Look, you need to make a choice: either accept Reddit for what its users actually want it to be and apply standards similar to how you'd judge a joke, or keep letting a few frustrated, immature women run the show until everyone else boycotts the platform. ☕

Lisa Rodriguez84 said:Why are you so hell-bent on getting moderators punished? They have rights, too.
Look, I’d appreciate it if you just started a thread to actually educate the mods on what they can and can't do, instead of trying to solve every single little issue by calling for someone's head.

Besides, since laws are always open to interpretation—and given that this specific law protects against anything humiliating—a parent who forces a kid to wear a blue jacket when the kid absolutely hates blue and feels humiliated by it is technically violating Article 88 of the Family Law.

By that same logic, if a neighbor—someone who isn't family—slaps a kid, they aren't violating Article 88.

Makes sense?

Alex Barnes8 said:If a neighbor hits a child, you call the police.
That means the law was broken and it's punishable.

So, I guess your example is pretty stupid.☕

P.S. Not surprised if I get a strike just for using the word 'stupid.'🙂

Linda Price5 said:Believe me, I am absolutely counting down the days until some LGBTQ+ advocacy group decides that unknown is the perfect target for their legal team to sink their teeth into. 🙂

Megan Ruiz13 said:There was no regret expressed, just an observation. I said that kids used to respect their parents and elders more, and weren't 5% as insolent as they are now. Then I said I don't know what the smart move is; hitting isn't okay, but raising your voice or giving them a smack once in a while probably is.

No nostalgia for the past, no calling for child abuse or domestic violence... just talking sense. That's why we're here. 🙄

Nice burn. You try so hard to explain things from your feminist perspective, and then some guy, a total MK-ovac, just tells you to shove it. 😁

Then the rest of us just sit back and imagine you dealing with that, and suddenly we're not so stressed anymore...🤣 😛

Anyway, it wasn't an insult... it's just part of the fight against feminists trying to wipe out the few men left. 😳

They completely miss the point of this guys' corner. 😉

bluemason3 said:It’s real nice of you to come out like that.

So, like I said, it’s either shut down unknown (and all its associates) or deal with the fallout. These modern "victim vs. villain" narratives aren't going to work on people who clearly exist just to stir the pot and troll for fun. 😉

Lisa Rodriguez84 said:I’ve only skimmed part of this thread, so I might have missed it, but here’s my take: stripping a kid of their phone, computer, and TV access—it’s way more brutal and painful than any slap they could ever get.
If you lay a hand on a child, you’re an abuser. Period. There’s no middle ground between being an abuser and just letting them run wild when they act up; those are the only two options.

Is there some magical law out there that stops a parent from taking away things they actually paid for? What do we call a parent who does that? A thief? No, because let's be real, they bought the stuff... 🤔
Besides, kids under 13 aren't even allowed on Facebook without parental permission, yet there are tons of them doing it anyway. 😉>

Anyway, MK can get pretty flooded with trolls who hide behind "reasonable" posts just to derail good discussions. Sometimes they're hard to spot because they all act like they're smarter than everyone else.

Linda Price5 said:You are spreading falsehoods; physical discipline and abuse are not the same thing. An elderly person isn't an abuser just because a senile grandmother loses her temper once and gives them a quick smack, but that smack is still violence and is prohibited under Family Law.

From what I've observed here, nobody has claimed that every single strike is abuse, but every instance of physical punishment is violence, and all physical punishment is illegal in the US.

Moderator Charles Fox10 has been encouraging physical punishment of children, which is prohibited by law.

That is precisely what this topic is about.

rustydrifter10 said:Under American law, hitting children is prohibited.

🤦

Things can always get worse. To me, the idea that a child should be happy because they only (yuck) get hit occasionally—just because things could be even worse elsewhere—is absolutely terrible. 😢

Linda Price5 said:There is also such a thing as politically incorrect satire—the kind that is actually intelligent, witty, and far from primitive. 🙂

brightpuma said:Under Family Law, all of that is considered child abuse. People forget how broad Family Law actually is. ☕

Among other things, yes. Physical abuse falls under Family Law. So does psychological abuse and all sorts of other stuff. You might not believe it, but almost all the ways kids are disciplined today fall under violating that "wonderful" Family Law.

What most people don't get—including the ones who wrote the law and the ones who follow it to the letter—is that the law itself doesn't make much sense.
Raising a child is, to put it bluntly, a lot like putting together furniture, say an IKEA cabinet. When a kid is born, just like a cabinet you bring home from the store, they have all the components needed to reach their full potential. To help them get there (both the kid and the cabinet), you need tools. For a cabinet, that means screwdrivers, hammers, pliers, levels, and so on. With a kid, the tools aren't as obvious, but they exist and vary.
People who build furniture know you use a screwdriver way more than a hammer. In fact, it's in your best interest—if nothing else to keep the neighbors happy—to use the hammer as little as possible. It's exactly the same with a child. It's in your interest to use positive reinforcement as much as possible, and in those extreme cases, use punishment as sparingly as possible.

The point of the comparison is this: just as it's incredibly hard to build a cabinet using only a screwdriver, and totally destructive to use only a hammer, it's incredibly difficult to raise a child using only positive reinforcement without any discipline, just as it's counterproductive to use only punishment as a method of upbringing.

Not long ago, a parent had a whole "toolbox" of parenting methods—rewards, consequences, all sorts of ways to get results. Today, thanks to this butchered version of Family Law, that same parent is lucky if they’re even allowed to hold a screwdriver. Sometimes, being left with nothing at all feels like an upgrade.

Alex Barnes8 said:No, I think it’s actually the exact opposite.
With today's Family Law, parents are forced to use the entire "toolbox" rather than just whatever is fastest or easiest.

brightpuma said:How can you use the whole toolbox if they're only allowed one parenting method—the one based on positive reinforcement? You're forgetting that no type of punishment is actually permitted under that law... meaning, nothing like a time-out, or taking away an iPhone, or banning TV/computers/etc...

brightpuma said:How can you use the whole toolbox if they're only allowed one parenting method—the one based on positive reinforcement? You're forgetting that no type of punishment is actually permitted under that law... meaning, nothing like a time-out, or taking away an iPhone, or banning TV/computers/etc...