Jewish lobby accuses German Nobel laureate Grasso of being an SS sympathizer?!

Germans pay annual war reparations to Israel. Perhaps those submarines fall under the agreement as well.

quieteagle5 said:Germans pay annual war reparations to Israel. Perhaps those submarines fall under the agreement as well.

On October 3, 2010, they made their final payment for WWI. German historians basically concluded that for them, WWI didn't actually end until 94 years after the victors called it quits.

The Jews were paid the agreed-upon reparations a long time ago. But back in 2007, some Jews tried to squeeze more money out of Germany. When Germany said no, they came knocking again in 2009 asking for another 450 million euros plus an extra billion, on top of discounts on warships... as far as I know, the Germans refused.

They stuck to the 1953 agreement and settled everything.

At the end of the day, this Nobel laureate didn't say anything wrong; he just spoke his mind, which apparently isn't allowed anymore.

Megan Ruiz13 said:On October 3, 2010, they made their final payment for WWI. German historians basically concluded that for them, WWI didn't actually end until 94 years after the victors called it quits.

The Jews were paid the agreed-upon reparations a long time ago. But back in 2007, some Jews tried to squeeze more money out of Germany. When Germany said no, they came knocking again in 2009 asking for another 450 million euros plus an extra billion, on top of discounts on warships... as far as I know, the Germans refused.

They stuck to the 1953 agreement and settled everything.

At the end of the day, this Nobel laureate didn't say anything wrong; he just spoke his mind, which apparently isn't allowed anymore.

Who exactly were they paying for WWI?
And why would the Jews be seeking more money if everything has already been settled?

I find myself agreeing with Grasso; one should have the right to express an opinion without being immediately branded by the labels of a totalitarian era where individual agency is non-existent.

quieteagle5 said:Who exactly were they paying for WWI?
And why would the Jews be seeking more money if everything has already been settled?

I find myself agreeing with Grasso; one should have the right to express an opinion without being immediately branded by the labels of a totalitarian era where individual agency is non-existent.

The Boston Globe is digging into how we handle historical guilt in Europe. It’s an interesting look at how different nations grapple with their pasts. Some places seem stuck in a loop of apology, while others are busy rewriting the narrative to suit the current mood. It makes you wonder if any country ever truly moves past its darkest chapters, or if we just find more sophisticated ways to ignore them.

quieteagle5 said:Who exactly were they paying for WWI?
And why would the Jews be seeking more money if everything has already been settled?

I find myself agreeing with Grasso; one should have the right to express an opinion without being immediately branded by the labels of a totalitarian era where individual agency is non-existent.

That’s just how they operate.

Under the Holocaust reparations agreements, companies like JP Morgan Chase, General Motors, Ford, and General Electric chipped in about $1.8 billion. Apparently, that wasn't enough for the Jews. Even later on, during the 90s, they kept coming up with more claims for money. They paid out, too, until I guess the Germans finally hit their limit back in 2007 and decided they'd had enough.

quieteagle5 said:Who exactly were they paying for WWI?
And why would the Jews be seeking more money if everything has already been settled?

I find myself agreeing with Grasso; one should have the right to express an opinion without being immediately branded by the labels of a totalitarian era where individual agency is non-existent.

You can't really say what you think. You can, sure, but then they just come for you. At 84 years old, though, I guess the filter starts to give out.

The Jewish lobby has too much influence.

Megan Ruiz13 said:The Boston Globe is digging into how we handle historical guilt in Europe. It’s an interesting look at how different nations grapple with their pasts. Some places seem stuck in a loop of apology, while others are busy rewriting the narrative to suit the current mood. It makes you wonder if any country ever truly moves past its darkest chapters, or if we just find more sophisticated ways to ignore them.

That’s just how they operate.

Under the Holocaust reparations agreements, companies like JP Morgan Chase, General Motors, Ford, and General Electric chipped in about $1.8 billion. Apparently, that wasn't enough for the Jews. Even later on, during the 90s, they kept coming up with more claims for money. They paid out, too, until I guess the Germans finally hit their limit back in 2007 and decided they'd had enough.

You can't really say what you think. You can, sure, but then they just come for you. At 84 years old, though, I guess the filter starts to give out.

The Jewish lobby has too much influence.

Could the Germans not have stopped the payments sooner? It’s almost as if they had no intention of doing so until they had already conquered all of Europe in 2007.

Megan Ruiz13 said:The Boston Globe is digging into how we handle historical guilt in Europe. It’s an interesting look at how different nations grapple with their pasts. Some places seem stuck in a loop of apology, while others are busy rewriting the narrative to suit the current mood. It makes you wonder if any country ever truly moves past its darkest chapters, or if we just find more sophisticated ways to ignore them.

That’s just how they operate.

Under the Holocaust reparations agreements, companies like JP Morgan Chase, General Motors, Ford, and General Electric chipped in about $1.8 billion. Apparently, that wasn't enough for the Jews. Even later on, during the 90s, they kept coming up with more claims for money. They paid out, too, until I guess the Germans finally hit their limit back in 2007 and decided they'd had enough.

You can't really say what you think. You can, sure, but then they just come for you. At 84 years old, though, I guess the filter starts to give out.

The Jewish lobby has too much influence.

When something is truly "too powerful," that's exactly when it snaps under pressure.

Accused him? Look, Grass was in the SS, and that’s no secret. Plus, he lied about the whole thing.

And his views on Jews? Honestly, given he was in the SS, I'm not even surprised.

Ethan Allen2 said:Accused him? Look, Grass was in the SS, and that’s no secret. Plus, he lied about the whole thing.

And his views on Jews? Honestly, given he was in the SS, I'm not even surprised.

At 17 years old in 1944, he was drafted into the SS Panzer Division Frundsberg. He fought the Allies until he was wounded right before the 1945 surrender.
He was an active combatant. Until 2006, people assumed he belonged to that generation that was too young for real frontline duty—just some kid in the Hitler Youth, much like our Pope. But he was there until the end, saw the action, killed Allied soldiers, and got wounded.
He admitted all of this publicly himself.

He actually tried to enlist at 15, but they turned him down because of his age. Two years later, he joined the Waffen SS.

It seems to me his political critique of Nazism as a leftist was mostly just because they let Germany lose the war.😁

Lucius C said:See, that’s what gets me. How a people who lived through those kinds of horrors can turn around and inflict misery on others. You’d think they’d be working to ensure history doesn't repeat itself, but instead...

It likely stems from deep-seated generational trauma, or perhaps it's just a calculated exploitation of history—playing the victim card to justify actions that would otherwise be condemned by the rest of the world.

We see a similar pattern playing out in places like Canada............

Ethan Allen2 said:Accused him? Look, Grass was in the SS, and that’s no secret. Plus, he lied about the whole thing.

And his views on Jews? Honestly, given he was in the SS, I'm not even surprised.

What he’s getting at is basically how most sane people on this planet feel right now. It’s like Israel and the Jews have become these untouchable holy cows that nobody is allowed to question... They’ve been busy trying to oppress Palestinians on their own land for decades, and now they're looking to kick off a war with Iran just because apparently Iran isn't "allowed" to have nuclear weapons while they get a free pass... They act like the entire world is their personal playground, dictating exactly what everyone else can or can't think or say—and if you dare disagree with them, suddenly you’re an antisemite... That kind of behavior is exactly what fuels more antisemitism in the first place. I swear, I'm afraid we might actually see a time when Jews have to be brought back in line again...

rowdycyclist14 said:What he’s getting at is basically how most sane people on this planet feel right now. It’s like Israel and the Jews have become these untouchable holy cows that nobody is allowed to question... They’ve been busy trying to oppress Palestinians on their own land for decades, and now they're looking to kick off a war with Iran just because apparently Iran isn't "allowed" to have nuclear weapons while they get a free pass... They act like the entire world is their personal playground, dictating exactly what everyone else can or can't think or say—and if you dare disagree with them, suddenly you’re an antisemite... That kind of behavior is exactly what fuels more antisemitism in the first place. I swear, I'm afraid we might actually see a time when Jews have to be brought back in line again...

Facts.

And how on earth are we supposed to navigate these accusations of antisemitism?

You shouldn't be able to criticize Israeli policy and then immediately lump all Jewish people into one category. It’s a tactic where they call out antisemitism as a way to deflect any legitimate criticism by bringing up the Holocaust or hate speech.

Criticism should be handled the same way you'd handle criticizing the policies of any other country you disagree with.

The problem is, most people don't dare say anything because they're terrified of being labeled an antisemite. Plus, they have legal protections in most modern democracies under hate speech laws, so if your critique of Israel gets too sharp—beyond just being called a Nazi or an antisemite—you could actually face jail time.

The lobby is incredibly powerful. They have the backing of the USA, they hold the purse strings, and they basically bleed money out of almost every nation that was on the side of the Axis powers during WWII. Very few people dare to stand up to them, except maybe their immediate neighbors.

But like I said, this is about politics. Not every Israeli or Jewish person needs to be targeted.

Personally, I think it's great that Germany finally cooled things down... regarding those payouts.

Everyone who survived the Holocaust has been compensated, quite generously, by Germany. They did what they needed to do.

Anything beyond that is just absurd.