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Participants Melissa Watson4George Turner2Chris Lopez59Paul ChavezJoseph White5driftinggull13dustyharbor18steelskipper5electricangler22Karen Perez44silverjackalcosmictinker21Rachel Phillips3Noah Myers8Morgan Rodriguez57slyangler82Morgan Hernandez5Samuel Booth76Sophia Brooks24hollowtrucker77Brian Edwards6Jerry Cooper3placidmarlin3Harold Adams7 …
electricangler22 electricangler22 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2010
#21 ·
Now they’ve even started spamming messages on the Democratic Party pages. Honestly, you have to be out of your mind to do that. It’s always those same "FEEL FREE to go wherever you want" type of messages—give me a break, someone clearly isn't playing with a full deck. In the end, driftinggull13 hit the nail on the head when he said the Alternative is exactly what he described it to be. driftinggull13👍
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
242 messages
joined Jan 2009
#22 ·
electricangler22 said:Now they’ve even started spamming messages on the Democratic Party pages. Honestly, you have to be out of your mind to do that. It’s always those same "FEEL FREE to go wherever you want" type of messages—give me a break, someone clearly isn't playing with a full deck. In the end, driftinggull13 hit the nail on the head when he said the Alternative is exactly what he described it to be. driftinggull13👍

Has it really come to this...?😲
Democratic Party types like that? Oh my god, I honestly thought I was the only one... I used to get those mindless, nonsensical messages sent to me constantly. If I were the kind of idiot who actually took them to heart, I might have even viewed some of them as threats. But instead, I just choose to see them for what they really are—a desperate little cry for help from people who clearly feel threatened by everything around them...☕
Rachel Phillips3 Rachel Phillips3 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2010
#23 ·
It’s about time we started seeing some actual positive shifts over at Alternative 👍
Alternative shouldn't be turning into a sci-fi novel, but a mountain of mindless topics and trolls has basically turned this subforum into fiction, when it really ought to maintain some connection to actual science.

Kudos to you 🙂
dustyharbor18 dustyharbor18 Member
16 messages
joined Mar 2008
#24 ·
electricangler22 said:Now they’ve even started spamming messages on the Democratic Party pages. Honestly, you have to be out of your mind to do that. It’s always those same "FEEL FREE to go wherever you want" type of messages—give me a break, someone clearly isn't playing with a full deck. In the end, driftinggull13 hit the nail on the head when he said the Alternative is exactly what he described it to be. driftinggull13👍

If you were being vague when you said, "the Democratic Party started showing up," maybe you were trying to imply that I'm the one sending Democratic types this kind of content. I guess.
I am emphasizing that. Still happening. I guess. I didn't send any Democratic messages regarding the partial ban to anyone, so I certainly didn't send them to you.

If anyone actually cares about the massive contributions made by the users who got banned from Alternative, feel free to check out the last ten pages of this thread:

To those who have suddenly decided to play the "freedom of speech" card for no reason at all: I suppose you think that masking your petty personal agendas behind a veil of stupidity and nonsense will work. It won't. You can't hide your true motives forever with just empty talk and smoke and mirrors.
Noah Myers8 Noah Myers8 Active Member
50 messages
joined Aug 2004
#25 ·
cosmictinker21 said:So, what’s the deal with this whole Alternative thing???😲

Morgan Hernandez5, Noah Myers8,,, where did everyone go???

We went from having this dynamic PDF where different perspectives—hypotheses, theories, practical applications, spiritual insights, scientific data, mystical views, you name it—actually clashed in a meaningful way, to this absolute mess of senseless bans. It's just devolved into personal vendettas now. Honestly, just leave that stuff alone and deal with it in your actual life. I don't doubt that most people here are rational and well-intentioned; they don't usually let their frustrations manifest through smugness or by deleting posts and handing out bans without any real argument. Looking back at the last few months, sure, the debates were intense, but nobody felt personally attacked by a post or someone else's opinion. Usually, when communication breakdowns happened publicly, they were resolved publicly too, with a decent amount of mutual respect between the people on either side of the screen. Or, at least, they weren't dragged into the spotlight through other users who had nothing to do with the private spat.

I’m asking this publicly: why was the psychopathy thread pulled from the forum? The topic was thoroughly covered; interest in it had naturally tapered off. Fine, it dropped down a page. Whatever. It was still accessible to anyone interested in reading about it, just like any other topic. But now, it’s nowhere to be found in the space visible to the average Joe. And I actually really need some links to illustrate certain types of antisocial behavior...🤷

The thread was moved back to the Alternative section. I definitely didn't move it myself later on, but I'll dig around and see if I can find it.
Noah Myers8 Noah Myers8 Active Member
50 messages
joined Aug 2004
#26 ·
steelskipper5 said:I used to get flagged all the time over on Alternative—getting hit with bans for posts that weren't even offensive, just a bit trollish or argumentative, I guess. It was mostly coming from Noah Myers8, though she made it pretty clear that any kind of rational opposition on Alternative just isn't welcome around here. He just won't tolerate it..
The more I complain, the less I get—instead of any actual response from the higher-ups, all I get is her just being insulting.

Look, even though I don't always see eye to eye with driftinggull13—honestly, his takes can be a bit much sometimes—I have to admit that he and George Turner2 are spot on with their analysis of what’s actually happening over at Alternative.
That’s why I don't even bother posting there anymore—well, except for the occasional troll post when some young punk decides to jump down my throat with his nonsense about the Illuminati.

Yeah, unless you give up the trolling on Alternative, you aren't welcome there. Other mods might put up with that kind of stuff, but on this subforum? Sorry, not happening.
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
216 messages
joined Oct 2011
#27 ·
I’m just dropping in here to share a few thoughts as someone who pops by this thread every now and then...

I’ve been catching up on the last ten pages of suggestions from the moderators... and honestly? It feels like we're watching censorship being rolled out right before our eyes. The real issue here—the main thing throwing everything into disarray—is the moderator. Their whole approach is just so aggressive, using a tone that really doesn't belong here... plus, they basically admitted themselves that they "moderate" the topic specifically to monitor what's happening, but if you ask me, it feels more like they're just stirring the pot to create chaos...

It’s actually pretty sad to see things heading in this direction on the forum—really quite sad... 🙄
electricangler22 electricangler22 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2010
#28 ·
dustyharbor18 said:If you were being vague when you said, "the Democratic Party started showing up," maybe you were trying to imply that I'm the one sending Democratic types this kind of content. I guess.
I am emphasizing that. Still happening. I guess. I didn't send any Democratic messages regarding the partial ban to anyone, so I certainly didn't send them to you.

If anyone actually cares about the massive contributions made by the users who got banned from Alternative, feel free to check out the last ten pages of this thread:

To those who have suddenly decided to play the "freedom of speech" card for no reason at all: I suppose you think that masking your petty personal agendas behind a veil of stupidity and nonsense will work. It won't. You can't hide your true motives forever with just empty talk and smoke and mirrors.

Look, we can disagree on the facts, and I'm not going to get into a debate over who sent what toxic garbage. But please, just give me an answer: why did I get a partial ban? Show me the posts you're talking about—and show yours too. Honestly, if you're going to point at someone else's post, show the whole context, including your own replies. In my case, that's easy to do because when I post on the Alternative board, I rarely insult anyone. I try to be a normal guy, unless someone pushes my buttons. I mean, if someone drops a huge 🤦 /picture of Captain Picard, that's just straight-up disrespect to another user. When I asked you that question about family and feminism, you dodged it, told me how you read novels "between the lines," basically called me a primitive nationalist, and then left Steve to answer the feminism question for you. You claim nothing important ever changes in the world, and that I'm just some crazy person imagining things—which you showed with a facepalm—but then, as soon as I replied, you pivoted to talking about nations and the clergy like they're some big negative thing. Look, I don't care if I'm wrong; I admit I love my heritage, but I have nothing to do with the clergy. So, I'm asking you again: why am I the one getting a partial ban while Steve... and all the other guys who were way more obnoxious, argumentative, and aggressive, didn't get anything? If I'm banned, tell me why they aren't. Thanks. The way this looks is totally one-sided, like bans aren't based on what was actually written, but on which "group" you belong to—something most people on the Alternative board can't even see. This is also the first time I've been banned and had all my posts wiped at once. It feels like someone really doesn't want people seeing what was actually said. Well, at least mine were easy to delete; there were only about five of them anyway.

P.S. The messages were sent, that's a fact. I'm not claiming *you* sent them; I'm just saying they were sent. Thanks in advance for the reply.
dustyharbor18 dustyharbor18 Member
16 messages
joined Mar 2008
#29 ·
Alternative shouldn't be a breeding ground for shady conspiracy theories driven by questionable ideologies. I guess some people just write nonsense out of pure ignorance, following the lead of those who fuel that ignorance—though I won't speculate on their motives.
It’s just like the idea that feminism is some planted movement, or all those claims about a "Masonic anthem" and other nonsense. @electricangler22! People who are pulling their hair out in frustration—Steve, goodmi, and folks like them aren't trolls; they're just trying to analyze current political events without sinking into a dark age of stupidity and narrow-minded conservatism.
Chris Lopez59 Chris Lopez59 Active Member
61 messages
joined May 2007
#30 ·
When it comes to theories, I don't care what they're based on; all that matters is whether the arguments actually hold water. And trust me, they were well-argued. It shouldn't matter if your source is a morning newspaper or the Book of Revelation—they’re both valid sources of information. If you think the Bible is somehow a problematic source to draw from, then honestly, there's something wrong with you. Furthermore, if you believe that certain viewpoints need to be censored just because they stem from specific sources—or if you want to silence opinions regardless of how sound the logic is—then you aren't just being picky, you're actively practicing censorship of speech.
Joseph White5 Joseph White5 Member
12 messages
joined Oct 2011
#31 ·
Excuse me, but why are my posts getting wiped from here too? Is there somewhere I actually *can* express my thoughts on why you're blocking my access to the Alternative? 🤷
Seriously, did I offend someone—if I did, my bad!
electricangler22 electricangler22 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2010
#32 ·
dustyharbor18 said:Alternative shouldn't be a breeding ground for shady conspiracy theories driven by questionable ideologies. I guess some people just write nonsense out of pure ignorance, following the lead of those who fuel that ignorance—though I won't speculate on their motives.
It’s just like the idea that feminism is some planted movement, or all those claims about a "Masonic anthem" and other nonsense. @electricangler22! People who are pulling their hair out in frustration—Steve, goodmi, and folks like them aren't trolls; they're just trying to analyze current political events without sinking into a dark age of stupidity and narrow-minded conservatism.

Look, sorry, but I’m a little too old to need someone lecturing me, and I certainly wouldn't allow it. You can think whatever you want about me, personally—that’s your business. It never crossed my mind to try and change your opinion of me. But writing this in bold? That’s just bad taste. If you’re going to stick to your guns, give me actual examples of how they’re being arrogant (and trust me, there are plenty), because if I had to pick someone, I’d point to Dobri Mag. I don't have anything against that duo, but they were perfect examples of the double standards you used when you started banning people from the forum. Don't act like you know me. Just be honest with yourself about what your REAL intentions are. You go out of your way to make sure I don't defend or even mention Nobia, Ubera, or anyone else, and it's the same deal with Steve... and Dobri Mag. I have nothing against them; I only pulled their avatars to show exactly how certain people get banned while others don't. You put me in the "opposition" camp based on just a couple of posts—which is pretty wild for a serious moderator. Meanwhile, you conveniently ignore the fact that Dobri Mag has been debunked multiple times by various users providing actual links. Now you're telling me feminism and family values have nothing to do with conspiracies and political games? Well, look at Dobri Mag's posts about diet and his blatant lobbying and advertising for companies that deal in GMOs—yet you didn't ban him for that either. See, I'm just giving you a few examples. I can handle a lot, but please don't test me with hypocrisy and these double rules. Take your weaknesses somewhere else and heal them elsewhere; this forum isn't the place for it, whether you have an eraser handy or not. This forum is for discussion. Ego trips aren't welcome here.

P.S. Steve... I only mentioned you to provide context. It wasn't personal. I actually find your viewpoints interesting. We don't have to agree, but you definitely contribute to the Alternative.
slyangler82 slyangler82 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2010
#33 ·
Hey there, my dear forum friends. Man, some of you guys were really going after Morgan Hernandez5 lately... Can you see now how much patience she actually had for all of you, and thank God, for me too? 🙂 I chatted a bit with a few people on here, so I've got a sense of what's going on with you guys. That’s just what happens when you go looking for handouts instead of doing the work. Now you're left with nothing but some old, moldy bread from two weeks ago... I don't really feel bad about it...
silverjackal silverjackal Member
23 messages
joined Apr 2008
#34 ·
slyangler82 said:Hey there, my dear forum friends. Man, some of you guys were really going after Morgan Hernandez5 lately... Can you see now how much patience she actually had for all of you, and thank God, for me too? 🙂 I chatted a bit with a few people on here, so I've got a sense of what's going on with you guys. That’s just what happens when you go looking for handouts instead of doing the work. Now you're left with nothing but some old, moldy bread from two weeks ago... I don't really feel bad about it...

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steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#35 ·
Noah Myers8 said:Yeah, unless you give up the trolling on Alternative, you aren't welcome there. Other mods might put up with that kind of stuff, but on this subforum? Sorry, not happening.

🤣

Hani, you have this habit of labeling basically any question you don't like as "trolling."
Objectivity level: zero.

I’m just repeating what you already made crystal clear—that rational opposition—which isn't trolling, by the way; you can go find the posts you've actually sanctioned—isn't welcome on Alternative, which is the exact opposite of what dustyharbor18 was saying.

Q. E. D. ☕
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
242 messages
joined Jan 2009
#36 ·
So, I’ve been wondering... are moderators actually allowed to run free ads for their own projects, whether they wrote them or just translated them? Because if they are, they probably caught a massive amount of heat for it. It's funny, really, because we all know how strictly the rules against self-promotion are enforced here—remember that whole unproven uproar over that one single article a while back?
steelskipper5 steelskipper5 Active Member
176 messages
joined Feb 2010
#37 ·
cosmictinker21 said:So, I’ve been wondering... are moderators actually allowed to run free ads for their own projects, whether they wrote them or just translated them? Because if they are, they probably caught a massive amount of heat for it. It's funny, really, because we all know how strictly the rules against self-promotion are enforced here—remember that whole unproven uproar over that one single article a while back?

Technically speaking, advertising anything whatsoever should be off-limits. But let's be real—we all know some people on this forum play by the rules a little more strictly than others...
cosmictinker21 cosmictinker21 Active Member
242 messages
joined Jan 2009
#38 ·
steelskipper5 said:Technically speaking, advertising anything whatsoever should be off-limits. But let's be real—we all know some people on this forum play by the rules a little more strictly than others...

Of course, I’m always happy to hear a solid book recommendation, a thought on a specific healing method, or even just advice like, "hey, check out this particular source for info." Or when someone asks about Bach flower remedies and where to find them locally. It's fine. But is it actually ethical to promote your own product? You know, like how certain folks here have been busy pitching their own forums or selling their own goods? This isn't the classified section of a local newspaper... or am I just being overly pedantic about morality?...🙄
Noah Myers8 Noah Myers8 Active Member
50 messages
joined Aug 2004
#39 ·
steelskipper5 said:🤣

Hani, you have this habit of labeling basically any question you don't like as "trolling."
Objectivity level: zero.

I’m just repeating what you already made crystal clear—that rational opposition—which isn't trolling, by the way; you can go find the posts you've actually sanctioned—isn't welcome on Alternative, which is the exact opposite of what dustyharbor18 was saying.

Q. E. D. ☕

Honey, if that helps you sleep at night.
Noah Myers8 Noah Myers8 Active Member
50 messages
joined Aug 2004
#40 ·
cosmictinker21 said:So, I’ve been wondering... are moderators actually allowed to run free ads for their own projects, whether they wrote them or just translated them? Because if they are, they probably caught a massive amount of heat for it. It's funny, really, because we all know how strictly the rules against self-promotion are enforced here—remember that whole unproven uproar over that one single article a while back?

First off, cosmictinker21, you basically broke about twenty different forum rules just by posting this. Secondly, 🤦 it’s just a suggestion. Inside a thread.

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