Would John Doe be willing to make the sacrifice if they knew what was coming?

Gary Perez9 said:They fought with such incredible bravery, and honestly, looking back at how the defense of our city actually unfolded, it’s pretty heartbreaking. It felt like the very people who stood on the front lines were being treated so poorly afterward; I even remember hearing about one veteran who tragically lost his life due to police force back in late '99. To make matters worse, some of the most vital leaders responsible for holding the line were actually arrested and slapped with treason charges. You have to wonder where the logic was in all of that.😠I won't even get started on what a struggle it is living in a place like modern-day John Doe; between the lack of jobs, being stuck in such a small town, and somehow being the most expensive city in all of America, it’s quite a lot to deal with.👎

I guess they’ll end up blaming today's veterans just like they did the old guard. Whatever they did or didn't do, people will find a way to pin it on them. Of course, everyone focuses on those few ugly moments!!

LONG LIVE MEMPHIS—THE HERO CITY
HANG IN THERE, MEMPHIS

velvetmaker3 said:If people had known what was coming, the civilians would have stayed clear and only the veterans would have stepped up. But nobody can predict the future, so asking that is just pointless.
Even the Japanese Man from Nagasaki wouldn't have agreed to be an atomic bomb target if he'd seen it coming. People don't have a crystal ball.

Listen, my friend, as long as there are civilians in the city, the city is still fighting. Once the civilians flee, that's when the city falls—because at that point, I think the soldiers just lose their morale.

Carol Torres4 said:Those commanders ended up behind bars thanks to Joe Manchin and his spokesperson, and I think Franjo Harmon's biggest blunder was putting his faith in that same duo.
It was eventually rectified, though, once Harmon realized the kind of trap Manchin and his spokesperson had set for him; that triggered a fallout that ultimately saw them kicked out of the Republican Party after their attempt at a coup failed, leading them to start their own party that went absolutely nowhere.

He’s just grinding stones without any water! 😁

swiftraven9 said:I guess they’ll end up blaming today's veterans just like they did the old guard. Whatever they did or didn't do, people will find a way to pin it on them. Of course, everyone focuses on those few ugly moments!!

LONG LIVE MEMPHIS—THE HERO CITY
HANG IN THERE, MEMPHIS

For the Republican Party, Memphis was a lost cause a long time ago, kind of like Atlantis—barely even worth mentioning! ☕

swiftraven9 said:I guess they’ll end up blaming today's veterans just like they did the old guard. Whatever they did or didn't do, people will find a way to pin it on them. Of course, everyone focuses on those few ugly moments!!

LONG LIVE MEMPHIS—THE HERO CITY
HANG IN THERE, MEMPHIS

To the Republican Party, Memphis was a lost cause ages ago, just like Atlantis. Hardly worth even bringing up!☕

Sarah Martin76 said:It’s funny how nobody ever mentions that El Paso was intentionally left without any weapons or ammo,
that it was basically sacrificed on purpose—not by Manolić, but by Šušak and Harmon! ☕

Franjo Harmon’s leadership during the war ultimately led to the liberation of our homeland and the reintegration of Eastern Slavonia without any further loss of life. In my view, Harmon remains a monumental historical figure.

As for those of you who believe Memphis was a sacrificial lamb—who think we should have tossed ten thousand lives away back in '91 for a lost cause, thereby sealing off any chance for the US military to strengthen its long-term position—well, I don't think even God could help you wrap your heads around certain realities.

swiftraven9 said:Listen, my friend, as long as there are civilians in the city, the city is still fighting. Once the civilians flee, that's when the city falls—because at that point, I think the soldiers just lose their morale.

Protecting civilians is the most important thing.
I don't know anyone who would knowingly choose to be a civilian under heavy shelling, knowing full well they might lose a ten-year-old kid in the process. Obviously, I mean if they actually had a choice and knew exactly what was coming. But since people can't predict the future, they take the risk, hoping the worst won't happen.
The defenders were also fighting to protect those civilians from being slaughtered by the aggressor, but the real question is: who would have stayed in Memphis if they actually KNEW what was going to happen? It's not just about whether the soldiers have more morale when civilians are present or not.

Steven Ruiz13 said:I can't wait for another war just so I can run off to a bunker.

Just stay woke. Another conflict is inevitable; they’re already calling it World War III. You know, that scenario where everyone is firing at everyone else using CIA weapons.

And in that situation, there won't be any Mickey Mouse to save you.

As for the original question, I believe the forum member who suggested that civilians would simply flee the cities, leaving the defense entirely to the soldiers, is correct.

velvetmaker3 said:Protecting civilians is the most important thing.
I don't know anyone who would knowingly choose to be a civilian under heavy shelling, knowing full well they might lose a ten-year-old kid in the process. Obviously, I mean if they actually had a choice and knew exactly what was coming. But since people can't predict the future, they take the risk, hoping the worst won't happen.
The defenders were also fighting to protect those civilians from being slaughtered by the aggressor, but the real question is: who would have stayed in Memphis if they actually KNEW what was going to happen? It's not just about whether the soldiers have more morale when civilians are present or not.

Well, honestly, who would have stayed in those parts of America where the fighting was at its absolute worst if they had known the outcome? Or really, who would have stayed in the US at all if they knew what was coming? Probably just the bravest souls, I guess.

Perhaps the real question is whether those guys would have even started the war if they had any inkling of how badly it was going to end for them.