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Rebecca Smith4 Rebecca Smith4 Active Member
77 messages
joined Feb 2007
#781 ·
" Shorinji Kempo is a somewhat niche Japanese adaptation of the Shaolin Yu Ch'i Chu'an style of kung fu. It has gained significant traction across Europe and the States, and maintains a solid reputation back in Japan. At the Iceberg ‘Dan-Gun’ Taekwondo club, this discipline is taught by Master Miran Škerl, an 8th Dan in Shorinji Kempo. He instructs using traditional methods, essentially following the same lineage used at the art's original source.
Shaolin Yu Ch'ia Ch'uan—often referred to as the hard-soft Shaolin school, or Shorinji Kempo in Japanese—is a comprehensive martial arts system. It encompasses a full spectrum of techniques, including striking, blocking, evasion, throwing, grappling, joint locks, choking, traditional weaponry, and meditation.

The entire system is built upon duality, specifically the principle of Yin-Yang, or hard-soft and internal-external (Goho and Yuho). In practice, this means training "softly" to react "hard," and vice versa. It also implies responding to "hard" movements with "softness," where a "soft" action produces a "hard" result, and movement and stillness are essentially two sides of the same coin.
The philosophical foundation may be rooted in Shingan (Zen) Buddhism. If one interprets the school through a Shingan lens, there is a notable esoteric approach to interpreting the world and motion within the meditative aspects, which brings certain inherent rituals along with it. However, a Zen approach might be more intuitive, focusing on finding truth through instinct and applying the natural way of movement and reaction (*wu wei*). In its original external (hard, *wei ch'ia*) form, the school didn't focus on rigid forms, but rather on the practical application of technique (*embu*).

The necessity for structured forms was traditionally met through the practice of internal school patterns (such as Wei Chia-Hsin I, Pa Kua, or Tai Chi Chuan in the Chinese tradition, and Taikyoku Ken in the Japanese). These were believed to benefit overall health and the development of a practitioner's energy. Our organization adheres to these traditional principles and follows this specific training methodology. Sessions include basic and advanced drills, partner work, and focuses on both meditative and *genki* (energetic) psycho-physical development. I suppose this type of training isn't really recommended for anyone under the age of 16.


I caught a glimpse of a few training sessions over someone's shoulder in downtown Chicago.
If I caught it correctly, they were alternating between Kempo and Kenjutsu sessions.
The techniques seem decent enough.
There doesn't appear to be any pointless or illogical flailing.
jademarlin26 jademarlin26 Active Member
158 messages
joined Sep 2008
#782 ·
Is anyone here training in Shorinji Kempo? I am curious how a system built entirely on dualism—according to their own literature—finds its philosophical footing in Zen, where dualism is non-existent.
Daniel Garcia Daniel Garcia Active Member
57 messages
joined Jan 2007
#783 ·
jademarlin26 said:Is anyone here training in Shorinji Kempo? I am curious how a system built entirely on dualism—according to their own literature—finds its philosophical footing in Zen, where dualism is non-existent.

Okay, now you're getting all deep and philosophical on us! 😁 ...Probably just because it's that Japanese (Zen) spin on a Chinese worldview! 😬
goldenhound9 goldenhound9 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2008
#784 ·
jademarlin26 said:Is anyone here training in Shorinji Kempo? I am curious how a system built entirely on dualism—according to their own literature—finds its philosophical footing in Zen, where dualism is non-existent.

You probably won't get a real answer on this forum. Some wise guy
already posted something along these lines
talk about Zen when you mean Zen, and dualism when you mean dualism.

Maybe that’s where your answer is hiding, I guess.
Sean Hernandez5 Sean Hernandez5 Active Member
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joined Apr 2011
#785 ·
So😁
I’d honestly love to pick up some kind of self-defense skill.😍
But now, I guess the question is, which one?😕
I’ve never trained in anything like this before, and frankly, I have no idea what half of these things you're listing even are.😕

I’ve heard about Krav Maga; I suppose that might be my best bet.😕
What else is out there?😕

Any advice or suggestions?🙏 🙏
placidbison20 placidbison20 Active Member
197 messages
joined Jun 2010
#786 ·
Take a look at the training session over at the fairgrounds and decide if it’s your vibe.
The coach is solid, and the skill level is there too.

Also, Dennis Lopez46's survival jiu-jitsu is decent.
Paul Peterson8, you around?
Sean Hernandez5 Sean Hernandez5 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#787 ·
I'm not sure when the training sessions are scheduled😕
I checked their website, but I couldn't find anything listed there😕
placidbison20 placidbison20 Active Member
197 messages
joined Jun 2010
#788 ·
Sean Hernandez5 said:I'm not sure when the training sessions are scheduled😕
I checked their website, but I couldn't find anything listed there😕

Thursday at 9 PM.
As for the other days, I'm not entirely sure. A friend mentioned they were changing the schedule recently.
Daniel Garcia Daniel Garcia Active Member
57 messages
joined Jan 2007
#789 ·
Tuesday at 8 PM
Thursday at 9:30 PM
plus every other Saturday at noon
Krav Maga Chicago doesn't even have a website yet... what you saw was actually IKMF—their club in downtown Chicago isn't even open yet...
Sean Hernandez5 Sean Hernandez5 Active Member
57 messages
joined Apr 2011
#790 ·
Daniel Garcia said:Tuesday at 8 PM
Thursday at 9:30 PM
plus every other Saturday at noon
Krav Maga Chicago doesn't even have a website yet... what you saw was actually IKMF—their club in downtown Chicago isn't even open yet...

Thanks for the heads-up😍

But Tuesday and Thursday at those times? Not great.😵 (It clashes with my other class🙂)

I guess I'll just have to wait until they start offering sessions on other days.😢
Eric Alvarez3 Eric Alvarez3 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#791 ·
My very first post here, and I’m jumping straight in with a question. I hope nobody takes offense—and if this has already been covered, please just drop a link to the original thread. Honestly, I can’t stand it when people barge into a forum without doing a basic search first and asking the same repetitive questions over and over, but this time, I guess I’ll be one of those people. 😬
To get to the point, my primary goal is self-defense. I’ve been thinking about starting some kind of martial arts training around September. Since practical street application is my main priority, I’ve been looking closely at Krav Maga.
Since I’m based out of Orlando, I was wondering if there are any established Krav Maga clubs in the area? And if there aren't any currently, is anyone aware of any plans to open one up soon?
Thanks in advance. 👍
placidbison20 placidbison20 Active Member
197 messages
joined Jun 2010
#792 ·
There isn't any Krav Maga in Los Angeles.
I asked Mr. Arman about the possibility of opening a school in LA over on the other thread, but I haven't heard back from him yet.
Jacob Sullivan9 Jacob Sullivan9 Member
28 messages
joined Nov 2008
#793 ·
Hey, regarding
Eric Alvarez3, I’ve been talking to some guys who are actually interested, and I honestly think they’re gonna show up for the seminars in New York and Chicago, so you might as well roll through too.
Eric Alvarez3 Eric Alvarez3 Member
11 messages
joined Apr 2007
#794 ·
It’s such a shame 😢
In that case, I guess I’m just staying at the gym until 🤣 😛
opens up. Honestly, this place feels like it's stuck in the twilight of its final hour, like 👎 👎
Jacob Sullivan9 Jacob Sullivan9 Member
28 messages
joined Nov 2008
#795 ·
Look, it’s just how it goes, you basically have to grind and put in those extra miles at the start, but once you get some momentum going, things finally start to level out... 🤣 😬
Eric Alvarez3 Eric Alvarez3 Member
11 messages
joined Apr 2007
#796 ·
Heh, it would be so much easier to travel if I were older—you know, like, at least 15 years old... right now, it’s just too tough.😢
Basically, nobody actually knows when, even just as a rough estimate, Krav Maga classes should officially start up.
Eric Alvarez3 Eric Alvarez3 Member
11 messages
joined Apr 2007
#797 ·
Yeah, I’m getting a little desperate here, so I have to ask: is there anywhere actually training ninjutsu in Los Angeles?
If not, then I'm calling it quits on the whole thing. I'm heading back home with my tacos and a beer.
Jacob Sullivan9 Jacob Sullivan9 Member
28 messages
joined Nov 2008
#798 ·
Maybe you should just stick to eating burgers, because there’s no way you're handling a beer when you're only 15. If you actually had the guts to drink, maybe then you could make it all the way to Chicago. When I was 15, I conquered Mount Rainier via the Couloir, and I was basically leading the whole damn pack, but even then, they wouldn't let me touch a drop of booze at the hostel.
If you're acting this desperate, then there's absolutely no point in training ninjutsu—that's a skill that's way too intense for someone dealing with a midlife crisis. Maybe try finding a girlfriend instead? :-)
placidbison20 placidbison20 Active Member
197 messages
joined Jun 2010
#799 ·
Eric Alvarez3 said:Yeah, I’m getting a little desperate here, so I have to ask: is there anywhere actually training ninjutsu in Los Angeles?
If not, then I'm calling it quits on the whole thing. I'm heading back home with my tacos and a beer.

Unfortunately, there isn't any ninjutsu in Orlando yet either.
Eric Alvarez3 Eric Alvarez3 Member
11 messages
joined Apr 2007
#800 ·
It’s honestly pathetic. We’re the second largest city in the US, yet we don't have half the amenities you find in New York City. It's embarrassing. Let me try rephrasing my question more clearly... hmm...
So, I'm looking for a martial art—and it doesn't necessarily have to be a competitive sport—that blends striking with takedowns and grappling. I need something that actually works on the street, specifically training that covers defending against multiple attackers and handling weapons like knives, clubs, sticks, and whatever else comes your way. My first thoughts were Krav Maga, since it's been field-tested in real-world scenarios, or maybe Ninjutsu, given how aggressive its approach can be.
But since there isn't a single decent school for either of those around here, I'm starting to lose motivation, which sucks because I was really getting hyped up for this.😎 😛

Maybe you should just stick to eating burgers; don't go touching any beer yet, you're only 15.

🤣 🤣 Burgers are terrible, but the beer? That might be okay.😬

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