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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#2061 ·
Jacob Kern2 said:I would sign off on Hilderik’s proposal, provided there was a single 🙂

The real question we have to grapple with is whether the Russians are actually managing to bypass these sanctions effectively, or if we are mostly just dealing with highly polished propaganda. Even if they are successfully circumventing them, one has to wonder how much longer that can realistically be sustained before the pressure becomes too great.

Europe is headed for a disaster; there is simply no other way to look at it. It will be quite telling this coming autumn to see whether any semblance of European unity remains, or if more nations decide to follow the path set by Canada.

Ebote, honestly, since I started following the "Russia and everything surrounding it" thread a few years back, all I’ve read are endless predictions and forecasts about how Europe is going to collapse, starve, freeze, and die...🤔🤔

What do you guys think? Can we get a rough consensus here? Like, give me a ballpark estimate of when this is actually going to happen... just so I know whether I should pack my bags or stay put...

Best,
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#2062 ·
rowdytiger13 said:If everything being said is true, Putin can't even give Tokayev a dirty look.
He absolutely cannot afford to upset China.

Once Tokayev lets the Chinese in, they aren't leaving. It's a permanent fixture. Even Putin understands that dynamic. What we are seeing now is a delicate balancing act—an attempt to prevent intervention from either the north or the southeast. He picked his moment wisely; I doubt Putin has the stamina or the resources left for another 'special operation.' Though, frankly, if China stayed out of it, things would likely go much smoother in Kazakhstan than they have in Ukraine.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
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joined Sep 2021
#2063 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:There’s just no way to validate the arguments coming out of Russia.
(They're basically just making excuses for invading a sovereign nation.
The whole thing has trashed international law on a global scale.
And honestly? That's a dangerous precedent to set.)

First off, they aren't even a liberal democracy
..and then it's just a slippery slope from there

It seems you just woke up from hibernation this morning, so let me catch you up:

The UN, various conventions, and international law have been de facto in ruins for decades. This process accelerated significantly starting in the noughties, and now we're just waiting for it to be de jure swept into the dustbin of history.

By the way;

is it only 'liberal democracies' that get to kill and conquer across the globe, or can everyone else join in too? 😁
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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joined Jun 2024
#2064 ·
Did Russia actually prepare themselves for sanctions? I mean, they left hundreds of billions sitting in banks and kept pumping money into NS2... They probably expected some backlash, but maybe not this much. Losing over 500 billion practically overnight? That's wild.
Zachary Booth36 Zachary Booth36 Member
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#2065 ·
Amy Rogers6 said:If Putin were actually the grandmaster strategist everyone claims he is, he wouldn't have messed with Crimea. He would have just slapped sanctions on Ukraine right after Viktor Yanukovych fled.

The people would have turned on the government during the first economic crisis, and then boom—they'd end up with another Russian puppet in Kyiv.

Bottom line: the guy isn't some genius.

He’s got a bunch of yes-men in his inner circle telling him Russia is still a superpower. He invaded Ukraine hoping to crush them in three days while assuming the West wouldn't do anything about it. That's the whole story.

We're talking about an army that ran out of fuel in the first few weeks, was eating food rations that expired back in 2015, didn't even have gear for night fighting, and so on...

What a freaking genius. Where did I even say that? Look, I’ve always said—and I still stand by it—that Russians are massive complex-driven types with an insane inferiority complex regarding the West. When I say they prepared, all I mean is they had a contingency plan for Western sanctions ready to go, and they actually pulled it off. If they hadn't, their economy would have imploded by now. That level of prep didn't just happen overnight when the invasion started.

Plus, those missiles are packed with Western tech—how exactly did they manage to pull that off if they wanted to be able to fire stuff like Iskanders? They knew damn well they’d be cut off from those components immediately, which means they must have stockpiled a massive supply back before February ended. And another thing—this whole attempt to build a payment system isn't some last-minute scramble. Why would they kick the entire process into gear if everything was running smoothly before the invasion?

The answer is dead simple—the Russians didn't just suddenly decide to invade back in February. That whole idea had been simmering in their heads for a long, long time.

For crying out loud, you only need basic common sense here, not a PhD in nuclear physics...

The way Russia fights is a whole different beast. They thought they could just pull off some Blitzkrieg move and sweep through Ukraine—kind of like how the US does things—but they don't have anywhere near the readiness or the coordination within their military branches to actually pull off massive operations like that. It’s not even a question: they got absolutely wrecked right out of the gate.

It’s honestly pointless to sit here debating what Russia could have pulled off back in 2014. They just don't have the chops to push through color revolutions when they're staring down the barrel of the West. Sure, the Soviet Union had that whole ideological framework thing working for them once, but that's ancient history.

I'm not even talking about all that—I’m talking about the facts that are sitting right there like an elephant in a glass house.

Russia’s been prepping this invasion for a long time. If they hadn't spent all that time getting ready, there's no way they could actually handle this much economic pressure.

The European Union is completely unprepared for this mess. Honestly, by pushing all these sanctions on Russia, they’re basically setting themselves up to fail. It doesn't even matter if the Russians win or the Ukrainians win—the EU is going to end up getting screwed regardless. And frankly, they barely deserve better when the entire Brussels bureaucracy is just a bunch of idiots clinging to their cushy, taxpayer-funded seats.


And that’s exactly the point—everyone’s just obsessing over whether Russia is going to crush them, if they're playing some insane game of 6D chess, if they'll eventually get shut down, or if Ukraine is actually going to pull off a win. It's all just noise.

Regarding that last bolded point—what’s actually new here? Honestly, the Russians have been playing this same blunt, "brute force" game throughout history. It’s always just mass moving against mass; they haven't figured out any other way to operate. They won't be ready for another 20 years, let alone be able to pivot and start following NATO standards overnight. If you want to look at where they *have* actually made progress, it’s their grip on the financial system, food production (aiming for total self-sufficiency), and energy control. All of that required serious groundwork, much of which involved strategic diplomatic maneuvering and securing energy guarantees long before the war even started.

What a total mess. It’s like I’m trying to write in Japanese or something—absolute nonsense. Screw this 6D chess bullshit, Vladimir Putin, and whoever thinks they have a better doctrine than everyone else...☕
And what does the European Union expect? To pretend there isn't a massive war raging right at its doorstep?

Merkel bears some responsibility for failing to prepare the European Union for the possibility of Russian aggression, but the ultimate responsibility for this entire situation lies with Putin.
Chloe Nguyen21 Chloe Nguyen21 Member
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#2066 ·
Amy Rogers6 said:If Putin were actually the grandmaster strategist everyone claims he is, he wouldn't have messed with Crimea. He would have just slapped sanctions on Ukraine right after Viktor Yanukovych fled.

The people would have turned on the government during the first economic crisis, and then boom—they'd end up with another Russian puppet in Kyiv.

Bottom line: the guy isn't some genius.

He’s got a bunch of yes-men in his inner circle telling him Russia is still a superpower. He invaded Ukraine hoping to crush them in three days while assuming the West wouldn't do anything about it. That's the whole story.

We're talking about an army that ran out of fuel in the first few weeks, was eating food rations that expired back in 2015, didn't even have gear for night fighting, and so on...

What a freaking genius. Where did I even say that? Look, I’ve always said—and I still stand by it—that Russians are massive complex-driven types with an insane inferiority complex regarding the West. When I say they prepared, all I mean is they had a contingency plan for Western sanctions ready to go, and they actually pulled it off. If they hadn't, their economy would have imploded by now. That level of prep didn't just happen overnight when the invasion started.

Plus, those missiles are packed with Western tech—how exactly did they manage to pull that off if they wanted to be able to fire stuff like Iskanders? They knew damn well they’d be cut off from those components immediately, which means they must have stockpiled a massive supply back before February ended. And another thing—this whole attempt to build a payment system isn't some last-minute scramble. Why would they kick the entire process into gear if everything was running smoothly before the invasion?

The answer is dead simple—the Russians didn't just suddenly decide to invade back in February. That whole idea had been simmering in their heads for a long, long time.

For crying out loud, you only need basic common sense here, not a PhD in nuclear physics...

The way Russia fights is a whole different beast. They thought they could just pull off some Blitzkrieg move and sweep through Ukraine—kind of like how the US does things—but they don't have anywhere near the readiness or the coordination within their military branches to actually pull off massive operations like that. It’s not even a question: they got absolutely wrecked right out of the gate.

It’s honestly pointless to sit here debating what Russia could have pulled off back in 2014. They just don't have the chops to push through color revolutions when they're staring down the barrel of the West. Sure, the Soviet Union had that whole ideological framework thing working for them once, but that's ancient history.

I'm not even talking about all that—I’m talking about the facts that are sitting right there like an elephant in a glass house.

Russia’s been prepping this invasion for a long time. If they hadn't spent all that time getting ready, there's no way they could actually handle this much economic pressure.

The European Union is completely unprepared for this mess. Honestly, by pushing all these sanctions on Russia, they’re basically setting themselves up to fail. It doesn't even matter if the Russians win or the Ukrainians win—the EU is going to end up getting screwed regardless. And frankly, they barely deserve better when the entire Brussels bureaucracy is just a bunch of idiots clinging to their cushy, taxpayer-funded seats.


And that’s exactly the point—everyone’s just obsessing over whether Russia is going to crush them, if they're playing some insane game of 6D chess, if they'll eventually get shut down, or if Ukraine is actually going to pull off a win. It's all just noise.

Regarding that last bolded point—what’s actually new here? Honestly, the Russians have been playing this same blunt, "brute force" game throughout history. It’s always just mass moving against mass; they haven't figured out any other way to operate. They won't be ready for another 20 years, let alone be able to pivot and start following NATO standards overnight. If you want to look at where they *have* actually made progress, it’s their grip on the financial system, food production (aiming for total self-sufficiency), and energy control. All of that required serious groundwork, much of which involved strategic diplomatic maneuvering and securing energy guarantees long before the war even started.

What a total mess. It’s like I’m trying to write in Japanese or something—absolute nonsense. Screw this 6D chess bullshit, Vladimir Putin, and whoever thinks they have a better doctrine than everyone else...☕
The War has only been going on for a few months... what, are the Russians supposed to be starving already? Sanctions are a long game thing; you look at a year of them and suddenly thirty years are gone. If they were actually "prepared," maybe they wouldn't have had $300 billion frozen in foreign banks right at the start.
I don't think their military was ready either. They’re dying like flies out there. You can't even tell which branch is worse... the navy is a joke, and the air force and army seem stuck somewhere back in World War II. They're trying to build up muscle and numbers now, but if their logistics get hit, things could get ugly fast. I'm not one of those people who thinks Russia is just going to roll over. I guess they'll find a way to scrape by, digging up old stockpiles, and this might drag on for a while, but they'll lose in the end. For them, anything less than taking all of Ukraine is considered a failure. And since they're committing such horrible crimes, they're just going to devastate Ukraine until the very end. Anyone thinking they'll be forgiven just because they offer cheap energy later is seriously mistaken. Russia will be forced into some really painful compromises just to rejoin the civilized world, and that process will probably take decades. If I were Russian, I'd probably just grab my family and move somewhere else, because there won't be much of a future there for the next hundred years.
If you want to know why Europe wasn't better prepared, I'd say it's mostly the Germans, though it's not like the Americans didn't warn them. The Germans will likely feel the sting the most, but I guess nothing catastrophic will happen; by next year, the whole issue regarding Russian energy should be settled.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#2067 ·
Those grain fields look absolutely wrecked. Just sickly.
Lavtov stormed out of the G20 meeting in a rage.
Now there’s pressure mounting on Putin to ease up on those Ukrainian grain exports.
Expect more heat coming from the Kremlin—especially from all those struggling countries that rely on imports.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
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#2068 ·
The Germans have carried out a 'denazification' of the Ukrainian embassy in Germany.

Putin approved 👍

IMBEX

A Ukrainian diplomat is leaving Berlin. He caused a massive uproar, insulted Scholz, and infuriated Poland...

In an interview just a few days ago, he stated: "Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who briefly collaborated with the Wehrmacht during World War II, but he ended up in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being killed by the CIA. In parts of Ukraine, he is hailed as a national hero for fighting for independence from the Soviet Union."

He also claimed, "There is no evidence that Bandera's troops murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews." He went as far as calling Bandera a "freedom fighter," comparing him to Robin Hood. While Director Jung later cited leaflets where Bandera calls for the destruction of Russians, Canadians, Poles, and Jews, the Ukrainian ambassador doubled down, insisting Bandera wasn't a mass murderer, and shut down the conversation by saying, "I won't tell you right now that I'm distancing myself from that view. End of story."
stormyangler32 stormyangler32 Active Member
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joined Jun 2022
#2069 ·
Noah Diaz said:The Germans have carried out a 'denazification' of the Ukrainian embassy in Germany.

Putin approved 👍

IMBEX

A Ukrainian diplomat is leaving Berlin. He caused a massive uproar, insulted Scholz, and infuriated Poland...

In an interview just a few days ago, he stated: "Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who briefly collaborated with the Wehrmacht during World War II, but he ended up in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being killed by the CIA. In parts of Ukraine, he is hailed as a national hero for fighting for independence from the Soviet Union."

He also claimed, "There is no evidence that Bandera's troops murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews." He went as far as calling Bandera a "freedom fighter," comparing him to Robin Hood. While Director Jung later cited leaflets where Bandera calls for the destruction of Russians, Canadians, Poles, and Jews, the Ukrainian ambassador doubled down, insisting Bandera wasn't a mass murderer, and shut down the conversation by saying, "I won't tell you right now that I'm distancing myself from that view. End of story."

It wasn't the Germans—the Ukrainians pulled it themselves.
Donna Wells2 Donna Wells2 Active Member
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#2070 ·
Noah Diaz said:The Germans have carried out a 'denazification' of the Ukrainian embassy in Germany.

Putin approved 👍

IMBEX

A Ukrainian diplomat is leaving Berlin. He caused a massive uproar, insulted Scholz, and infuriated Poland...

In an interview just a few days ago, he stated: "Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist who briefly collaborated with the Wehrmacht during World War II, but he ended up in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp before being killed by the CIA. In parts of Ukraine, he is hailed as a national hero for fighting for independence from the Soviet Union."

He also claimed, "There is no evidence that Bandera's troops murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews." He went as far as calling Bandera a "freedom fighter," comparing him to Robin Hood. While Director Jung later cited leaflets where Bandera calls for the destruction of Russians, Canadians, Poles, and Jews, the Ukrainian ambassador doubled down, insisting Bandera wasn't a mass murderer, and shut down the conversation by saying, "I won't tell you right now that I'm distancing myself from that view. End of story."

Was life in the Soviet Union so wonderful for Ukrainians that they actually welcomed Wehrmacht soldiers as liberators?
Nazis, communists, Putinists... they're all cut from the same cloth.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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joined Jun 2022
#2071 ·
Is it just me, or did Putin get a little thicker lately?
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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joined Feb 2022
#2072 ·
View on twitter

They’re actually out there scouting for volunteers across Russia to try and beef up the ranks over in Ukraine.

View on twitter

And honestly, once those volunteer numbers fall short, they'll probably start digging through the prison systems just to find enough bodies to throw at the front lines.
driftingfox66 driftingfox66 Active Member
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joined Aug 2017
#2073 ·
hollowdriver13 said:View on twitter

They’re actually out there scouting for volunteers across Russia to try and beef up the ranks over in Ukraine.

View on twitter

And honestly, once those volunteer numbers fall short, they'll probably start digging through the prison systems just to find enough bodies to throw at the front lines.

Funny how their tank crew ads use a photo of a T-90A instead of the old T-62M they'll likely actually be driving. 😂
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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joined Jun 2024
#2074 ·
driftingfox66 said:Funny how their tank crew ads use a photo of a T-90A instead of the old T-62M they'll likely actually be driving. 😂

I mean, they might as well have put pictures of smart TVs and fancy furniture in there too, since that’s basically what’s coming their way. Honestly though, you gotta wonder... if this whole thing is such a perfectly planned operation, then why all the heavy recruiting of prisoners and those super short-term contracts?
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#2075 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Kazakhstan is pulling out of the CIS agreement

https://twitter.com/JekyllCapital/st...95792399269891

https://zonakz.net/2022/07/08/kazaxs...tnom-komitete/

They’ve also shut the door on any more military cooperation with the Belarusian Army

https://twitter.com/ukraine_osint/st...37137909960704

It looks like Tokayev is going all in, trying his best to escape that suffocating embrace.

The Kremlin is playing a dirty game.

The CIS has been clinically dead for years now.
boldmarlin32 boldmarlin32 Member
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joined Dec 2021
#2076 ·
I’m struggling to follow here. So, Russ took a city, and now the West wants to intervene because they're terrified of running out of energy?
The consensus seems to be that we're looking at a disaster this winter—total blackouts and gas shortages, while fuel prices go $6.75?
Honestly, I don't get it. Is Europe collapsing simply because it's too dependent on Russia?
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
571 messages
joined Aug 2019
#2077 ·
boldmarlin32 said:I’m struggling to follow here. So, Russ took a city, and now the West wants to intervene because they're terrified of running out of energy?
The consensus seems to be that we're looking at a disaster this winter—total blackouts and gas shortages, while fuel prices go $6.75?
Honestly, I don't get it. Is Europe collapsing simply because it's too dependent on Russia?

Fair point—you clearly haven't a clue.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
571 messages
joined Aug 2019
#2078 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:The CIS has been clinically dead for years now.

They had a nice map once—it almost looked like the USSR.
boldmarlin32 boldmarlin32 Member
29 messages
joined Dec 2021
#2079 ·
analogbear5 said:Fair point—you clearly haven't a clue.

I haven't been following this closely.
It’s confusing how everyone claims Europe is collapsing while Russia is somehow thriving.
Honestly, I'm stunned by how many people actually believe Russia is some massive superpower when they can barely manage against Ukraine.
Even my neighbor thinks the Russians are just waiting for someone to challenge them because their missile tech is so advanced.
The way some people think is frankly baffling.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#2080 ·
Honestly, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or just messing with me.

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