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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#2781 ·
Kate Cook27 said:That whole theory about Russia reaching the Adriatic... it’s increasingly looking like the reality that the Russians and all their allies are praying for. And let’s be real—they won't be greeted with flower petals, just like they aren't being welcomed in Ukraine.

☕Nah, those Russians aren't getting to the Adriatic. Don't even worry about it—they won't ever be able to. They tried twice in the last century or so... first time back during the America days when they pushed like 20 or 30 divisions into Canada and Romania... and then again through that mess of a former American state working with the JNA—which was total garbage.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2782 ·
Men are being recruited from mosques in Chechnya to fight in the war against Ukraine

In Chechnya, imams are actively recruiting believers into the "Akhmat" battalions to participate in the conflict in Ukraine, often conducting these recruitment drives during Friday sermons.
According to Insider , this process is being facilitated by Ibrahim Yangulbayev, the founder of the Chechen socio-political movement 1ADAT.

The Akhmat units are offering men between the ages of 18 and 40 a salary of approximately $650 ($2.50). Curiously, while these recruitments take place, the imams continue to tell their congregations that they won't be sent to Ukraine.

https://babel.ua/en/news/81525-in-th...war-in-ukraine
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#2783 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:Russian forces launched Hurricane rocket strikes yesterday against the heart of Bakhmut in the Donetsk region.

According to police reports, one projectile landed directly in the center, leveling market stalls and retail spaces, while two additional rockets hit a residential neighborhood. In the downtown area, the impact was strong enough to shatter windows in several neighboring homes.
The prosecutor's office confirmed that the strikes hit the local market administration building and a commercial complex, leaving six residents injured. Beyond that, about ten apartment buildings and private residences have been either completely leveled or heavily damaged, with cars left as charred remains on the streets.
https://babel.ua/en/news/81527-russi...are-casualties

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The Russians will inevitably claim that the market was actually being used as a barracks or some kind of weapons depot.

It looks like casualties stayed relatively low—if you can call it that—mostly because the sirens went off in time and people actually had a chance to take cover.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#2784 ·
Daniel Ward87 said:Total cowards, honestly—both them and their supporters. Personally, I don't mind dealing with high gas and heating prices if it means those Russian pieces of trash eventually get what's coming to them. America stood its ground against the Nazis from '39 to '45 and took care of business, so we can definitely handle this too.

There’s no peace until Russia undergoes full "deputization."
Daniel Ward87 Daniel Ward87 Active Member
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#2785 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:There’s no peace until Russia undergoes full "deputization."

Unfortunately, yeah. This war ends where it started—right at the Kremlin. The catch is, it won't happen through any democratic process because democracy never really took root there. There are just too many remnants of the old Soviet system clinging to power to let go easily. That said, Putin is forgetting the old saying: "you can fool some people for some time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." If he doesn't call for a general mobilization, he's stuck because he won't be able to replace his losses. But if he does, he’ll face massive backlash at home since plenty of people know what's happening; they're just too scared to speak up. He needs to replenish those numbers fast, because if things stall and the Himars start hitting his supply depots, he's going to be in a massive logistical mess.
ironpuma29 ironpuma29 Member
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#2786 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:There’s no peace until Russia undergoes full "deputization."

You've got it wrong, friend. Totally wrong.

There won't be any peace until Europe itself undergoes "deputinization"...
Arthur Miller7 Arthur Miller7 Active Member
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#2787 ·
ironpuma29 said:You've got it wrong, friend. Totally wrong.

There won't be any peace until Europe itself undergoes "deputinization"...

Let's start with this nonsense

Canada is prepping for a 'war scenario': 'We are ready to defend the 150,000 Canadians living in western Ukraine'
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2788 ·
Paper Dragon
Vladislav Inozemcev on why the Russia-China union is nothing more than an illusion

In my view, the invasion of Ukraine has yielded some rather jarring results—though the shock stems from the realization that nothing fundamental has actually shifted. Under the weight of Western sanctions, Russia has naturally "pivoted toward China," which, at least rhetorically, remains a steadfast ally by condemning the "arbitrary nature" of sanctions imposed by the USA and NATO. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say this has resulted in anything mutually beneficial.

If one examines the landscape that has emerged after four months of conflict, a clear pattern emerges: Moscow has become significantly more dependent on China in three specific ways.

The first is financial: in recent years, Sberbank has aggressively increased its investments in Chinese securities denominated in yuan. If you weigh official data regarding these investments against global statistics on yuan usage as a reserve currency, it turns out that Sberbank has been holding nearly a quarter (!) of all global yuan-denominated reserves. Prior to the seizure of Russian assets in the West, these funds accounted for roughly 13% of Sberbank's reserves; now, they represent at least 25%, and if we are looking strictly at liquid assets, the number is likely even higher. The Russian authorities can deploy these funds quite freely, for instance, to finance Chinese imports.

The second dependency is trade: China seems perfectly willing to continue purchasing Russian resources in ever-increasing volumes (a factor that becomes vital given Europe's attempts to enforce an energy embargo). Between April and June, Russian oil exports to China surged by a quarter, climbing from 1.59 to 1.98 million barrels per day, while gas supplies through Siberia continue to grow; China shows no hesitation in buying LNG, and there is a noticeable uptick in coal trade as well. But let us not forget that Russian gas and oil shipments to China constitute about 15-18% of their total imports of these commodities. More importantly, this growth is occurring alongside steadily declining prices, which suggests Chinese pragmatism rather than any genuine desire to assist a "friend and partner."

Following a certain dip—in March and May of 2022, Chinese exports to Russia fell by over 40% compared to the previous quarter—trade in technological goods has begun to recover. By the end of the year, it is highly probable that the market share of Chinese smartphone brands in the Russian market will exceed 80%; one can expect similar dominance in other product categories.

The third pillar of cooperation will be technology: China is almost certain to serve as Russia’s primary partner for importing critical tech goods, ranging from automobiles and spare parts to office equipment, industrial machinery, and mobile communication systems. Furthermore, there is little doubt that Beijing will attempt to facilitate "parallel imports" by selling Russia versions of Western products that haven't directly fallen under sanction, all while obscuring the final destination. Yet, all of this is so standard for any major global economic partner that it can hardly be presented as evidence of a deep strategic alliance between the two nations.

This is further evidenced by the fact that Beijing has not truly "moved closer" to Russia following the invasion of Ukraine. China has not endorsed Putin's "special operation," has not recognized the "sovereignty" of the "LPR," and consistently calls for a cessation of hostilities and a return to the negotiating table. According to some reports, they even rebuffed Moscow's requests for military-technical assistance (though the Kremlin actively denies such requests were ever made).

However, it is well known that Chinese banks have refused to finance deals involving Russian oil companies; Chinese authorities have not supplied Russia with sanctioned spare parts for Airbus aircraft (despite those being manufactured in a plant in Tianjin); and the Chinese payment system UnionPay has not offered its cards in Russia to clients of banks that have been hit by sanctions. Chinese leasing and shipping firms have started pulling containers used in Russia; Chinese tech giants have begun officially winding down their operations in our country , intending instead to import their products via Customs Union nations; and...The Chinese government has officially notified the Russian side that they won't be allowing any aircraft "stolen" by lessors to land at Chinese airports. Consequently, China is starting to pivot rapidly toward Belt and Road Initiative projects that bypass Russia entirely, aiming to significantly ramp up freight transit through Kazakhstan and the Caucasus to reach Europe.

https://theins.ru/opinions/inozemtsev/253041
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#2789 ·
So, Russia is out here scooping up massive piles of weaponry from Iran. It’s pretty wild when you think about it—you have a nation that’s been dodging American sanctions for years now, basically acting as a supplier for a country that keeps bragging about how they could reach Berlin in just ten days. 😬
Chloe Nguyen21 Chloe Nguyen21 Member
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#2790 ·
Benjamin Taylor6 said:So, Russia is out here scooping up massive piles of weaponry from Iran. It’s pretty wild when you think about it—you have a nation that’s been dodging American sanctions for years now, basically acting as a supplier for a country that keeps bragging about how they could reach Berlin in just ten days. 😬

Iran is really playing with fire here. If they actually go through with selling weapons to the Russians, I guess they won't see any relief from those US sanctions for at least the next 30 years. On the flip side, maybe they could get back to a somewhat normal existence if they just played it safe and decided against this whole partnership with Russia.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
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#2791 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:You don't need to be a genius to answer those questions.

1. Right now, the benefit is stopping the Russian invasion and preventing the Russian Federation from breaking into the US or the EU and destroying it. That’s not just the current benefit; there would have been benefits even if this aggression had been stopped eight years ago.

2. The reward is that we will continue to enjoy the perks of belonging to the Western economy, culture, and civilization at large.

3. Every American is currently paying the price for the invasion of Ukraine. Some pay willingly, some suffer through it, and then there are those who would gladly pay just to see Russia crush Ukraine, move through the Baltics, Canada, and Bulgaria, and finally—for the icing on the cake—reach the Atlantic coast. So yes, we are paying the price. We aren't doing it with the same feverish intensity or fear as the nations that fled from the Russian embrace, but we are paying.

You can find everything regarding the sick intentions of the Russian political mafia without much effort or commitment by simply looking at Russian media and state television during prime time.

Now, I'm not ruling out the possibility that all those Russians threatening to "reclaim historical territories" or "take back Alaska" are actually CIA agents led by Putin, slowly dismantling Mother Russia from within.

And as for your stories about how Ukraine didn't help America 😁
Well, which Ukrainian citizen back in 1991 actually knew what was really happening, given the deluge of disinformation being poured into global embassies and media outlets by Mexicans controlling the diplomacy of those years?

Give me something more convincing; this lamentation from an American patriot for an end to the war isn't fooling anyone anymore, not even children. It is perfectly transparent whose interests you are actually serving. 👍

Wait, isn't there some kind of agreement—like, a specific article in a treaty—that says in some wild, sci-fi scenario where Russia crushes Ukraine and then keeps marching toward the European Union, through bold nations, and toward the Atlantic, guys like Joe from Omaha, Idah John from Idaho, Luc from Montpellier, Genoe Alessandro from Italy, and so on, would show up to defend the European Union from the Russian advance?
Or... I mean, do you really not believe in it?
Terry Green3 Terry Green3 Active Member
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#2792 ·
The bureaucrats panicking over how miserable Americans might feel when fuel prices spike should take a good look at this.

Insane traffic jams heading toward the coast.

While the less affluent parts of the West—think folks in places like Poland, Slovakia, or Canada—are driving thousands of miles just to escape the monotony of work or celebrate a holiday, they don't seem to give a damn about how sanctions against Russia are hitting the wallet.

I’m telling you. This could be even worse if our politicians weren't such complete idiots.☕
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2793 ·
Arthur Miller7 said:Let's start with this nonsense

Canada is prepping for a 'war scenario': 'We are ready to defend the 150,000 Canadians living in western Ukraine'

I haven't read the full article yet—it probably calls for peace and takes aim at the West arming Ukraine.
Most Canadian-Americans in Ukraine are actually pretty disappointed with Orbán's policies.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2794 ·
Zachary Jackson4 said:https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/12/...odyashchiy-god

I stumbled upon something that caught my eye.

https://regnum.ru/news/3467017.html

Why am I using Russian data? Even in their version, the number of civilian casualties is low.

Do you think the casualty numbers were actually higher or lower than that?
Joshua Bishop3 Joshua Bishop3 Member
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#2795 ·
Terry Green3 said:The bureaucrats panicking over how miserable Americans might feel when fuel prices spike should take a good look at this.

Insane traffic jams heading toward the coast.

While the less affluent parts of the West—think folks in places like Poland, Slovakia, or Canada—are driving thousands of miles just to escape the monotony of work or celebrate a holiday, they don't seem to give a damn about how sanctions against Russia are hitting the wallet.

I’m telling you. This could be even worse if our politicians weren't such complete idiots.☕

That is exactly what I was saying yesterday.
Here I am at the beach right now, surrounded by all kinds of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks... the beaches are packed, and finding a seat in a restaurant is basically impossible...

Russia and Mexico are out there trying to mess with our quality of life by threatening us with shortages and making us worry about the future... if you listen to the news coming out of Mexico... it sounds like Europe is practically falling apart under the weight of the sanctions... hahahaha
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2796 ·
The mechanics of propaganda: Reflections on a Soviet childhood
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyaso...h=5bbd54423566
Emily Sanchez6 Emily Sanchez6 Newcomer
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#2797 ·
Even the cricket was playing all summer long…..
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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#2798 ·
It’s been eight years since that Russian shootdown of the Malaysian airliner, an absolute tragedy that claimed 298 lives.
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Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#2799 ·
gentlestag15 said:It’s been eight years since that Russian shootdown of the Malaysian airliner, an absolute tragedy that claimed 298 lives.
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Man, I totally forgot about that whole "moral giant" act Russia puts on.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2800 ·
Wilson said:☕these are the heroes who brought him down...

Regarding that plane—the first person bragging about shooting it down was Igor Girkin Strelkov, so he might actually be the mastermind behind it. It’s wild, really—he’s still living it up in Russia, totally free after the events in Sloviansk and that shoot-down, all while they're handing out death sentences to soldiers in the Donetsk People's Republic and just letting them die—kind of like what happened to that Briton.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28357880

www.bbc.com/news/uk-62178505

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