Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

gentlestag15 said:The Putin youth is already marching through Mariupol
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An anti-fascist type.
They're wearing red shirts instead of black, apparently. 😁

Why does everyone keep calling Russian communists fascists?

Kevin Murphy7 said:Why does everyone keep calling Russian communists fascists?

It's like calling a donkey a mule just because you can't find a better word.

Or like that old saying:

Nazis, fascists, communists—it’s all just one big, repetitive blur...

Kevin Murphy7 said:Why does everyone keep calling Russian communists fascists?

Because they actually are fascists, rather than communists.

It looks like Ukrainian politicians won't be accused of being vague or imprecise with their language ever again:

"Putin is a piece of shit. That is my official statement"
Oleksiy Goncharenko, Ukrainian Member of Parliament
https://twitter.com/GoncharenkoUa/st...16356647436288

goran2hr said:Is this better? I just watched this clip and honestly... man. It’s heavy. There’s something about seeing those images that just hits you right in the gut, you know? You can watch all the news reports you want, but when you see actual footage like this, it feels different. It's much more real. It makes you think about how quickly everything changes. One minute life is normal, and the next, things are completely unrecognizable. I don't even know what to say, really. Just sitting here processing it. It's a lot.

Are you actually kidding me? You’re acting like a total child, trying to make excuses for Russian Nazism and the Putler Jugend? Seriously.
So, if you're really that obsessed with living under a dictatorship where nobody can say a word without looking over their shoulder, why don't you just pack your bags and move to Russia? Honestly, go ahead and enjoy all those "benefits" of having zero freedom of speech.

Kevin Murphy7 said:Why does everyone keep calling Russian communists fascists?

Maybe because they teamed up with the German fascists to carve up Poland back in 1939.
And honestly, looking at how they act today—did you even see that footage?

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-ge...-19374678.html

Donna Wells2 said:Maybe because they teamed up with the German fascists to carve up Poland back in 1939.
And honestly, looking at how they act today—did you even see that footage?

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-ge...-19374678.html

What connection does modern-day Russia actually have to communism?

Matthew Young35 said:What connection does modern-day Russia actually have to communism?

And what about their connection to Nazism, right?
I’m just asking: why on earth does their weaponry feature a five-pointed star, or why are the occupiers parading through Ukraine flying the flag of the Soviet Union?

gentlestag15 said:The Putin youth is already marching through Mariupol
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They've been parading through the city for a while now. Kids have been sent off to Crimea—"on vacation," supposedly—until school starts under the Russian curriculum, and teachers over in Rostov are busy getting their certifications. It's a total gray zone.

Donna Wells2 said:And what about their connection to Nazism, right?
I’m just asking: why on earth does their weaponry feature a five-pointed star, or why are the occupiers parading through Ukraine flying the flag of the Soviet Union?

Well, the grandmas can celebrate all they want. But the youth? They’ll end up joining organizations like "Our People"—provided they act like "good citizens" and march through the streets, singing away because they think they've been "liberated."

Donna Wells2 said:And what about their connection to Nazism, right?
I’m just asking: why on earth does their weaponry feature a five-pointed star, or why are the occupiers parading through Ukraine flying the flag of the Soviet Union?

So, if they had a white star on there, would they suddenly be Americans?

What we’re seeing in Russia isn't communism; it's tycoon capitalism.
As far as I'm aware, there isn't some ban on private property or any other communist nonsense.
They simply inherited symbols from the USSR, which actually was a communist state.

I get the impression you don't quite grasp what the word "communism" actually means.

Timothy Williams5 said:Stolen watermelons from Kherson are being peddled in Russia now, complete with those "Z" stickers—as if anyone forgot Kherson is essentially the watermelon capital of Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/...S56vi5I47cvNYQ

A lot of people ended up heading home on a one-way train ride because of those watermelons.

Donna Wells2 said:And what about their connection to Nazism, right?
I’m just asking: why on earth does their weaponry feature a five-pointed star, or why are the occupiers parading through Ukraine flying the flag of the Soviet Union?

The occupiers are parading through Ukraine under a giant "Z" instead of the star, with maybe a few tiny exceptions.
Look at these kids.
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James Phillips92 said:A lot of people ended up heading home on a one-way train ride because of those watermelons.

Their heads popped just like a watermelon.

Did you catch that story about how Ukrainians tried to lure Russian pilots into a trap along with their jets?

The whole situation is actually pretty hilarious 😁 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1551535542180929536

Matthew Young35 said:So, if they had a white star on there, would they suddenly be Americans?

What we’re seeing in Russia isn't communism; it's tycoon capitalism.
As far as I'm aware, there isn't some ban on private property or any other communist nonsense.
They simply inherited symbols from the USSR, which actually was a communist state.

I get the impression you don't quite grasp what the word "communism" actually means.

Hahaha... so I lived under communism for 20 years, but I clearly have no clue what it is?
When there was no oil, no sugar, no coffee, no chocolate... when you could barely find a car, when power outages were the norm, when you couldn't dare whisper a word against the local locksmith or the party without ending up in a cell, when "verbal offenses" were a crime and that bloody red star tore through and slaughtered a third of America...
If you want to get technical... communism never truly existed in the USSR; it was socialism as an order... because communism was just some theoretical phase they thought they’d reach one day, right?
Go read a little bit of "Utopia"... study some actual facts before telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.
By the way... by resolution, the Council of Europe has condemned all communist systems, just like fascism and Nazism... labeling them as inhuman and barbaric.

Donna Wells2 said:Hahaha... so I lived under communism for 20 years, but I clearly have no clue what it is?
When there was no oil, no sugar, no coffee, no chocolate... when you could barely find a car, when power outages were the norm, when you couldn't dare whisper a word against the local locksmith or the party without ending up in a cell, when "verbal offenses" were a crime and that bloody red star tore through and slaughtered a third of America...
If you want to get technical... communism never truly existed in the USSR; it was socialism as an order... because communism was just some theoretical phase they thought they’d reach one day, right?
Go read a little bit of "Utopia"... study some actual facts before telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.
By the way... by resolution, the Council of Europe has condemned all communist systems, just like fascism and Nazism... labeling them as inhuman and barbaric.

If you are talking about America, you weren't living under communism, but rather under self-managed socialism.
Communism is a social structure, not a method of governing a state.
Take, for instance, the United States not too long ago, which was a capitalist nation that had legalized racism (Jim Crow laws). Does that make capitalism inherently evil?

So, let's recap: Russia isn't a communist state today. It hasn't been for quite some time.
The fact that you view dictatorship and communism as synonyms is your own problem and your own misunderstanding, not a matter of fact.

Matthew Young35 said:So, if they had a white star on there, would they suddenly be Americans?

What we’re seeing in Russia isn't communism; it's tycoon capitalism.
As far as I'm aware, there isn't some ban on private property or any other communist nonsense.
They simply inherited symbols from the USSR, which actually was a communist state.

I get the impression you don't quite grasp what the word "communism" actually means.

If this war has proven anything, I think it's that those old divisions just don't matter anymore, at least not in Ukraine.

Everyone is standing up against Putin's army and fighting back—it's everyone, really. Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, Jews, neo-Nazis, liberals, communists, Americans, Russians, Chechens... you name it.

They really are just orcs, nothing else.

Matthew Young35 said:If you are talking about America, you weren't living under communism, but rather under self-managed socialism.
Communism is a social structure, not a method of governing a state.
Take, for instance, the United States not too long ago, which was a capitalist nation that had legalized racism (Jim Crow laws). Does that make capitalism inherently evil?

So, let's recap: Russia isn't a communist state today. It hasn't been for quite some time.
The fact that you view dictatorship and communism as synonyms is your own problem and your own misunderstanding, not a matter of fact.

Communism is a socio-political system where the working class holds control and ownership over the means of production (capital).

In Russian hands, that turned into Party rule—Russian style—built on terror and genocide.

Honestly, we can thank the Russians for killing off the most logical critique of capitalism.

boldotter2 said:If this war has proven anything, I think it's that those old divisions just don't matter anymore, at least not in Ukraine.

Everyone is standing up against Putin's army and fighting back—it's everyone, really. Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, Jews, neo-Nazis, liberals, communists, Americans, Russians, Chechens... you name it.

They really are just orcs, nothing else.

There are plenty of neo-Nazis in Russia. And there are Muslims in their military too.
The rest of the world stands against Russia because from an airplane, it’s obvious: this is just a powerful state (nominally) attacking a weaker one.
It isn't about ideology or religion.
When you're looking at David and Goliath, everyone sides with David simply because he's the underdog being attacked.

And all this talk about communism and stars, when we're dealing with a country practically run by oligarchs? That's just noise from people who haven't a clue what they're talking about.