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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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#3921 ·
darkhawk30 said:"Moscow has started laying out concrete plans to hold referendums in several cities within the occupied territories of eastern Ukraine... "

I honestly want to know how they actually intend to pull this off.
The whole thing feels like a total farce—nothing more than a pathetic little Hamlet.

Putting on a show isn't the hard part. And faking the results? That's even easier.
Paper can say whatever it wants to say—especially when it's Russian paper. They'll probably claim there was a massive 90% turnout and that 99% of people voted for independence and joining Russia. It’s all just theater.
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#3922 ·
There has to be more to the story... if we’re talking about joining the Soviet Union, I believe Estonia voted for it by something like 99.9%.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#3923 ·
So, starting this fall, there's a ban on Russian citizens entering the European Union.

Looks like Putin is hitting his mark—things are definitely spiraling toward that "empire" implosion.
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#3924 ·
It’s basically just testing the boundaries of Russia at this point...
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#3925 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:So, starting this fall, there's a ban on Russian citizens entering the European Union.

Looks like Putin is hitting his mark—things are definitely spiraling toward that "empire" implosion.

It feels like this whole thing was planned out for a long time. 🤣🤣🤣 Honestly, it’s just pure amateurism on the level of Alan Ford, if you know what I mean.
Richard Sanders7 Richard Sanders7 Member
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#3926 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:So, starting this fall, there's a ban on Russian citizens entering the European Union.

Looks like Putin is hitting his mark—things are definitely spiraling toward that "empire" implosion.

Why wasn't the ban put in place back in early summer instead? It’s just like how we handled the Russian gas situation—we talked about cutting it off, but first, we made sure to fill up all our storage tanks. Honestly, we really played our cards right there.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#3927 ·
Honestly, we’re looking at collateral damage now—basically, the people are paying the price.
Things could go one of two ways here.
Either support for Putin ramps up and everyone turns away from him (maybe a 50/50 split?),
or if Ukraine holds the line and manages to retake the south by winter, the tide shifts—mostly because the West is better equipped for a war of attrition.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
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#3928 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:So, starting this fall, there's a ban on Russian citizens entering the European Union.

Looks like Putin is hitting his mark—things are definitely spiraling toward that "empire" implosion.

Thank God nothing is going to come of it.
Let Putin go to hell along with that notorious "Russian warship."
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3929 ·
darkhawk30 said:"Moscow has started laying out concrete plans to hold referendums in several cities within the occupied territories of eastern Ukraine... "

I honestly want to know how they actually intend to pull this off.
The whole thing feels like a total farce—nothing more than a pathetic little Hamlet.

They've already started prepping—looks like the referendum happens next month. They just need to figure out how to explain it to everyone first. It's a mess out there; some people are flying the Russian flag, some have the DNR or even the Soviet Union flags up... they'll need to let folks know what they're actually voting for.😁.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#3930 ·
Mariupol

Word is mobilization is about to kick off in the city. My contact actually says it’s already underway—some locals are already out on the front lines. Freedom isn't free, I guess. The liberated folks are supposedly thrilled, acting like they're defending Mother Russia 🎉 🎉.

There's some complaining happening because traitors are stepping forward. There’s even a page where people sign up to help the occupiers, and people are venting about it 😁. At least they're getting paid—since there are no wages, no pensions, no aid, nothing... sometimes there isn't even food, so they're basically scavenging just to eat.

The center where the occupiers were handing out Russian documents got hit one day, so some of those "helpers" ended up fleeing back to Mother Russia 😁. (The partisans are staying active despite the occupiers' crackdowns).

Some people are claiming Mariupol will get a new name: Kadyrovsk, after Ramzan Kadyrov 🤣.
Thomas Walker84 Thomas Walker84 Active Member
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#3931 ·
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Matthew Young35 said:What exactly didn't they say?
I was under the impression we were discussing the report where Amnesty claims Ukrainians are using civilian infrastructure for military purposes.

Regardless, shouldn't the only thing that truly matters be whether the report is accurate or not?

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Melissa Rivera5 said:But I mean, that’s totally fine if there aren't any civilians around there.

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Matthew Young35 said:True, but then an attack becomes legitimate too.

I believe the Geneva Convention also stipulates that attacking other countries isn't legitimate.

So, it looks like we’re all on the same page here—as you both pointed out, it's legitimate for Ukrainians to use civilian structures as military targets if there aren't any civilians present. At the same time, it isn't legitimate for Russians to strike those targets, since they're doing it all as part of an invasion of another country, which is fundamentally illegitimate. It seems we're all in agreement on that.

If you're really going to go through all that trouble—twisting words and clinging to legal technicalities just to suit an agenda—it’s funny how people can claim something is perfectly legitimate and accurate based on one declaration, while calling it a total lie based on another.

It’s actually pretty straightforward: in situations like this, everything the Ukrainians do militarily to defend themselves is legitimate, provided they aren't putting civilians in direct harm—especially if such risks were being intentionally forced just to smear the enemy further.

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Matthew Young35 said:Let me be clear: Amnesty International didn't draft or sign the Geneva Convention.
Their role is simply to document what’s actually happening on the ground.
If their report is fraudulent, then by all means, attack them. But if the findings are accurate? Then the criticism is misplaced.
It really is that simple.

Even so, nothing changes the core reality: Russia is the aggressor here. They are committing crimes, and there is no excuse for their actions, regardless of whatever one might think about that report.

There’s a big difference between a straight-up propaganda lie and actual propaganda manipulation, and there are plenty of shades of gray in between. Manipulation works by taking real facts and twisting them on purpose to lead people toward the wrong conclusion. That makes what some people at Amnesty are doing much worse than just lying; it's more effective because it's designed specifically to muddy the waters.
Thomas Walker84 Thomas Walker84 Active Member
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#3932 ·
James Phillips92 said:Where do you think we kept our troops during the battles back in the nineties? You think they all hide away in massive concrete bunkers, or are they just sitting under a tent? This isn't World War I where two armies clash on a distant front while everyone else lives life normally in the background. Like I said, they're reporting a "selective truth." If the Russian military hadn't invaded Ukraine, the American military wouldn't be stationed in schools and daycares—they'd be in barracks. They should just head over to Russia and tell Putin to pull his troops out; then all these problems would vanish.

In reality, there isn't much of a choice. When a city is under heavy attack like this, defenders have to find somewhere to regroup. If there aren't enough dedicated military bases available, they have to use public buildings. Of course, those places would be cleared out first so civilians stay safe and away from the area. It also has to be a space large enough to hold them; it’s not like they can just bunk up in someone's empty apartment...🤔
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#3933 ·
Kate Cook27 said:Mariupol

Word is mobilization is about to kick off in the city. My contact actually says it’s already underway—some locals are already out on the front lines. Freedom isn't free, I guess. The liberated folks are supposedly thrilled, acting like they're defending Mother Russia 🎉 🎉.

There's some complaining happening because traitors are stepping forward. There’s even a page where people sign up to help the occupiers, and people are venting about it 😁. At least they're getting paid—since there are no wages, no pensions, no aid, nothing... sometimes there isn't even food, so they're basically scavenging just to eat.

The center where the occupiers were handing out Russian documents got hit one day, so some of those "helpers" ended up fleeing back to Mother Russia 😁. (The partisans are staying active despite the occupiers' crackdowns).

Some people are claiming Mariupol will get a new name: Kadyrovsk, after Ramzan Kadyrov 🤣.

I was actually chatting with this woman the other day who fled Mariupol. She told me her relatives who stayed behind say things are just straight-up horrific. They’re having to cook in the hallways of apartment buildings. There’s no electricity, no running water, almost nothing left to buy, and everyone is just looking for any way to escape to the Ukrainian side. Most of them are elderly folks, retirees who didn't want to leave, similar to the ones who fled with their kids to the States four months ago. They're mostly working cleaning apartments at beach resorts now.
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
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#3934 ·
I wonder, what comes next after the small festival ends?
Robert Cooper9 Robert Cooper9 Member
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#3935 ·
Thomas Walker84 said:In reality, there isn't much of a choice. When a city is under heavy attack like this, defenders have to find somewhere to regroup. If there aren't enough dedicated military bases available, they have to use public buildings. Of course, those places would be cleared out first so civilians stay safe and away from the area. It also has to be a space large enough to hold them; it’s not like they can just bunk up in someone's empty apartment...🤔

This should be crystal clear to anyone who’s actually been there—you take cover behind a structure or use it for protection if one is available. But it’s a different story entirely when they start shelling buildings that aren't even on the front lines and are likely filled with civilians. The Russians shell a city, hit a five-story building with a massive caliber round, and then claim it was a "military target"—honestly, they must be on something strange over at the Kremlin. On the actual line of combat, the reality is different: civilians will die if they stay, yet because they are often patriots staying behind to support the troops, you almost have to grant them military status just to make sense of it.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#3936 ·
Dana Robinson4 said:I wonder, what comes next after the small festival ends?

It’s just a mom, her daughter, and the baby (her grandbaby). Honestly, they’re totally lost on what comes next. They'll probably just wing it, I guess. Her daughter is actually a doctor, which helps, but they can't exactly head back to Mariupol. Her husband is serving in the military right now. For the moment, they've got free housing and some small savings to lean on. When you're living as a refugee, you try to map out this big, bright future, but in the end, everything just turns into one giant game of improvisation.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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#3937 ·
At 10:40, missiles hit a sister city over in Switzerland.
Vinnytsia used to be known as this safe haven in Ukraine—famous for its Zurich-style trams and being tucked far away from the front lines. But everything changed on that one day when Lisa, who was only four, and 27 others lost their lives. What actually happened?

People in Vinnytsia have been hearing that death is coming. Some even caught glimpses of those heavy grey cylinders with colored tips flying right over their heads. Take Olena Danilov, for instance—she runs a humanitarian group delivering milk rations to local hospitals. To her, the sirens were just a brief scare. "Russia won't target our city," she thought—just a little bit of optimism, I guess—"I'll finish my work first, then head to the shelter."

So, you've got a historian like Yevgeny Safarians—the guy who was first to suspect an airplane or a helicopter was involved. Honestly, he probably didn't even see it as a threat at first, since the projectile was coming from the West. I mean, there weren't even any Russians over that way.
Bombs at the clinic.

Turns out they really were Russian missiles. They came in from the southwest, aimed right at Vinnytsia—a city of about 350,000 people in central Ukraine, nowhere near the front lines. Way far from the coast or anything like Switzerland.

At 10:40 AM on July 14, 2022, three Russian cruise missiles slammed into the heart of downtown—right where Times Square used to be the center of all the action. They leveled the local Officers' Club, this old Neoclassical building from the Stalinist era that everyone used for cultural events anyway—definitely wasn't being used for military stuff. The strikes also partially trashed the nearby Jubilee high-rise, which had an ambulance clinic attached, along with some smaller apartment buildings and a whole lot of parked cars.

A missile strike just claimed 28 lives—21 of them died instantly on impact. Among the victims were three kids, ages 4, 7, and 8. Volodymyr Zelenskyy isn't pulling any punches, calling it an "outright act of terrorism." According to the President, Russia is killing American children every single day by repeatedly targeting civilian areas with these missiles.

That shot of Siegesplatza went viral globally. Little Lisa Dmitrieva’s stroller had tipped over onto the ground—she was only four years old at the time. She was out with her mom, heading to speech therapy. Being a little girl with Down syndrome, she had just started finding her voice. You might even remember seeing her on TV—last winter, she was part of that Christmas video produced by the First Lady, Olena Zelenska. Just one face among a crowd of kids gathered around a Christmas tree.

Wiktoria Rekuta, a 35-year-old dentist, and her 7-year-old son, Maxim, are gone. They were at a neurology clinic near Times Square for an appointment when a missile strike hit—now the whole facility is just a charred shell. It’s likely a lot of other victims perished there too, either from the blast or suffocating in the flames.

One of the first eyewitness clips shows thick black smoke billowing out from the building. Two white-and-blue streetcars are idling right in front of a pillar of smoke. One of them even has yellow detailing on the front and a Swiss cross on the back. It’s got "Vinnytsia thanks Switzerland for supporting Ukraine" printed in big letters on both sides of the car.

More than a decade ago, the city of Zurich and the Department of Economic Affairs (Seco) donated over 100 retired trams—mostly the Mirage models—to that Ukrainian city. Fast forward to today, and those blue-and-white cars are still doing the heavy lifting for public transit in Vinnytsia, even with the war going on—at least according to these reports. Over the last ten years, Vinnytsia has become a sort of sister city to Zurich, really setting the standard for cooperation in Ukraine, thanks to a bunch of other aid projects from the bigger city and the federal government covering everything from transit to healthcare and energy.

Now a tram carrying a thank-you note to Switzerland has been hit by the blast wave—shattered glass everywhere. The wreckage is scattered across the floor of a six-line vehicle that used to run between the local train station and the Zurich Zoo. You’ve got shards of glass and two roof caps lying all over the place. Thankfully, no passengers were hurt, which makes sense according to Mikhail Luzenko, the head of the transit authority: "Everyone was evacuated just in time once the air raid sirens went off."

Ten war just won't quit—we’re 140 days in, and ten hours ago, Russian forces launched five Kalibr missiles. They were likely fired from a submarine out in the Black Sea, over 200 miles away. Sergey Morgunov, the mayor of Vinnytsia, said if American air defenses hadn't intercepted at least two of those, things would have been a total disaster. He actually watched one fly past his office window—heard the blast shortly after and realized right then that his city was the target.

Morgunov arrived seven minutes later and was met with pure horror—people running in total panic, others sprawled out on the pavement in Times Square. Some were badly hurt, others weren't moving at all. There were charred cars where firefighters were pulling out blackened remains. First, they had to deal with the fire at the neurology clinic right next to those "Jubilee" skyscrapers. That’s when the mayor saw the bodies being pulled from the wreckage: "I counted five," Morgunov said. "Completely burned."

About an hour later, Olena Danilov showed up at Times Square. The Red Cross sent her out as a volunteer. Most of the victims had been found by then, and the injured were already being rushed to the hospital. But Danilov saw the rescuers—the firefighters, the cops—just completely spent, the shock etched into faces covered in soot and smoke. She started organizing food and water for the first responders. Every shop nearby had been trashed, windows smashed everywhere, Danilov recalls. "But there was this incredible solidarity—we just stepped in and took what we needed to help."
No military presence at the "Officers' Club"

Russia admitted to the missile strike pretty quickly, though they claimed they hit a military target. Right in the middle of Vinnytsia, Ukrainian military officials had supposedly been meeting with foreign arms dealers. Total nonsense, according to Mayor Morgunov. "The Russians hit the Community Center. They were supposed to host a concert there on the evening of July 14th." The building dates back to the 1920s and is called the "Officers' Club," but since the 70s, it's mostly been used for concerts and plays. The only hint of its military ties is the monument out front dedicated to the Air Force—a MiG-21 fighter jet mounted in a metal ring. While the buildings around it crumbled, that monument somehow stayed mostly untouched by the missiles.

Just a few hours before the strike, Vinnytsia was hosting a high-profile guest from Switzerland: Claude Wild, the Confederation's ambassador to Ukraine, was passing through town overnight on July 13th–14th. Wild was en route from Moldova back to Kyiv. This French-Swiss diplomat from a Zurich family knows Vinnytsia quite well—not just because of the blue-and-white trams, which Seco promised to upgrade with 70 newer models last December.

The ambassador had actually sought protection in Vinnytsia before. It was shortly after the war kicked off, when Claude Wild evacuated the last of the Swiss citizens from Ukraine. His convoy stopped in Vinnytsia on the way west, under the protection of Swiss special forces. Back then, the ambassador donated money for children in need. He got to know the mayor well, too. Both men say they've developed a real friendship since then.

In April, Claude Wild returned to distribute food. Switzerland delivered over 1,000 tons to Vinnytsia. The city has become a haven for so many refugees—displaced people coming from the war zones in the East, from Kyiv, and even from the south, from Odessa and Mariupol.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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#3938 ·
Vinnytsia had felt relatively safe. During those first few weeks of the war, there was some Russian fire nearby—but back then, missiles weren't hitting the city center. An early March strike on an airfield away from the hub killed ten people, and later hits on the TV tower and air force headquarters didn't result in casualties.

While the rest of the country was in total chaos, Vinnytsia stayed quiet through April, May, and June. "We felt secure in the city," says historian Yevgeny Safarians. "To be honest, we stopped taking the air raid sirens seriously. We figured the odds of the city being hit directly were basically zero." That changed at 10:40 AM on July 14, 2022. By then, the people of Vinnytsia realized they’d been wrong. Way too late.

The Swiss Ambassador, Claude Wild, had already left town by then and was making his way toward Kyiv. "We headed out at 8:00 AM," he says, "and that's when we indirectly found out about the missile strike. After about an hour and a half of driving, we wanted to grab coffee at a rest stop, but nobody would serve us. At first, we couldn't figure out why. Then it clicked: there was a missile alert across the entire region." When an alarm like that goes off, everything shuts down.

Trams in Vinnytsia ground to a halt. Passengers and drivers—mostly women—had to jump out and find cover. Oddly enough, the area around the Officers' House remained quite busy during the actual air raid. Siegesplatz is one of the city's main transit hubs, where several tram, bus, and trolley lines converge. The main train station is less than a mile away, and the area around the square is packed with small shops, supermarkets, and a heavily visited neurology clinic in a wing of the Jubilee skyscraper. This morning, Irina Dmitrieva had intended to take her four-year-old daughter, Lisa, to that clinic for speech therapy.

Pressure waves from the explosions shattered windows and doors within a half-mile radius. Safarians was particularly struck by how tiny shards of metal turned into lethal projectiles due to the blast force: "Small pieces of metal from road signs or trash cans were flying through the air like shrapnel, embedding themselves right into house walls." Safarians also mentioned an elderly woman who lived far from the impact site but was hit in the head when her apartment door was ripped off its hinges: "She had to go to the hospital. But she made it."

It took a moment for the reality to sink in. For the first two days after the deadly strike, there was no time for mourning, according to humanitarian worker Olena Danilova: "We just wanted to help; we didn't have the luxury of sitting around and crying." They spent their time compiling lists of the injured and the missing, calling hospitals and morgues to verify names. But by the third day, the mood shifted completely. Danilova remembers people gathering at Times Square to lay flowers on the shrapnel-scarred ground: "But no one spoke. It was a deathly silence. It was so oppressive it actually scared me. That was the first time I started crying during those days."
The Swiss Ambassador is shaken.

Four days after the attack, Claude Wild returned to show solidarity with his Swiss sister city. He wasn't alone; diplomatic representatives from several EU nations and Israel joined him. Alongside the mayor, they viewed the devastation at Times Square.

Even now, Wild is visibly shocked by the sheer scale of destruction these cruise missiles can cause. He's also appalled by the calculated malice of some anonymous commander hundreds of miles away near the Black Sea, punching coordinates into a screen and ordering the launch: "Knowing these missiles will hit the heart of a highly populated city—that is a truly evil act."
At the scene, Wild and his fellow diplomats held a memorial and laid flowers. They spoke with locals and inspected the damaged homes. "We will never accept this," Wild said during an impromptu press conference. "We didn't accept it yesterday, we don't accept it today, and we won't accept it tomorrow." And he promised help is coming.
Switzerland wants to jump in and help fast-track repairs on roofs, windows, and doors—basically anything to stop the rain from making things worse and to keep people from freezing. On top of that, there’s talk about whether Swiss hospitals can take in victims from Vinnytsia who need long-term care.

During a Zoom interview from his office, the mayor expressed his gratitude for the aid coming from Switzerland and the active involvement of their ambassador. But looking ahead to winter, he’s worried—his city is going to need way more than just roof repairs. Sergey Morgunov is convinced that Russia will do everything in its power to leave homes in Vinnytsia and all over Ukraine freezing: “They’re going to target gas distribution hubs and power plants.” Because of that, they need to stock up on diesel generators, tents, and field kitchens right now. Heated tents are a necessity when people are literally freezing in their own apartments. Of course, the mayor pointed out that they can't foot the bill for all this themselves.
Outrage over media malpractice

The damaged Züri-Tram might actually be headed back to the depot soon and could be running the streets of Vinnytsia again before we know it. Mikhailo Luzenko, the transit director, credited the quick turnaround to "Swiss designers and engineers who built such a reliable and safe tram."
On a darker note, the local and international media coverage in Vinnytsia hasn't exactly been ethical lately. It all stems from an incident the day after the missile strike. An assistant to an Italian journalist gained unauthorized access to Irina Dmitrieva's hospital room, played a video of her four-year-old daughter Lisa, and essentially told the woman—who was still in shock—that Lisa hadn't survived the attack. Then, instead of showing basic human decency, he filmed the mother's reaction and posted it on social media.

The backlash in Ukraine was massive; even the government spokesperson stepped in to condemn this kind of predatory journalism. In the end, the family decided not to sue the reporter.

The final victim from that Russian missile strike passed away on August 2nd at a hospital in Vinnytsia.

Wiktoria Rekuta and her son Maxim were laid to rest in their hometown of Mala Mochulka. Videos show the funeral procession passing through, with villagers kneeling and weeping by the roadside.

Lisa Dmitrieva was buried in Vinnytsia this past Sunday, July 17th. During the service, the four-year-old girl lay in an open casket wearing a white dress, a wreath of white flowers on her head, and her favorite stuffed animals at her feet. According to American news reports, even the priest broke down in tears during the blessing, promising the grieving family that "evil will not prevail."

Over 100 people were injured in the attack.
darkhawk30 darkhawk30 Active Member
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#3939 ·
Robert Cooper9 said:This should be crystal clear to anyone who’s actually been there—you take cover behind a structure or use it for protection if one is available. But it’s a different story entirely when they start shelling buildings that aren't even on the front lines and are likely filled with civilians. The Russians shell a city, hit a five-story building with a massive caliber round, and then claim it was a "military target"—honestly, they must be on something strange over at the Kremlin. On the actual line of combat, the reality is different: civilians will die if they stay, yet because they are often patriots staying behind to support the troops, you almost have to grant them military status just to make sense of it.


What do you mean, drugs?
That was the plan all along.
Fine, he got a little salty about it, but the principle remains the same.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#3940 ·
They aren't being accurate. But it’s pretty obvious that Ukraine is intentionally spreading their resources thin—basically a little bit everywhere.

It was honestly kind of hilarious and pathetic watching those Russian analysts hype up the American system and how they hit that bridge with such high precision.

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