Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

The whole situation with Dugin and his daughter is wild; someone actually aimed right for the heart and just missed by a hair.
That bearded guy is absolutely unhinged. It’s a damn shame they didn't take him out—these "intellectuals" are always the worst kind of trouble.

Russian propagandists were out there this morning making all these loud threats against Kyiv because of what happened to Dugin. Margaryta Simonyan is actually out here saying they should just target the heart of Kyiv and completely tear apart the neighborhood where the government and the president are based. They’re basically promising that Kyiv is going to be shaking in its boots after this

https://tsargrad.tv/news/russkaja-ot...drognet_609139

dustytiger8 said:Nice try... 🙂

I'll tell you this much: the party in Germany was called the NSDAP—the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." So, Nazism is just shorthand for National Socialism. The only real difference between them and Russia (the USSR) was the focus on the national versus the international. You can see that clearly in the Hitler-Stalin pact signed right before the second war.
In both cases, the result was millions of dead people.

It’s good to remember that occasionally...

If I'm following your logic, then the leaders in North Korea come to power through democratic elections held by the people.

At this rate, you'll probably start telling me that sharks bark, too.

In school terms, I'd say: see me after class.

electricsurfer47 said:Can you tell me

Why on earth is Turkey fighting them??? Why wouldn't they be allowed to have their own little state within Syria? They aren't even that big, and they don't really pose a threat to Turkey.

If the Americans had actually worked out some kind of diplomatic deal between the Kurds and the Turks, they could probably sit under the Turkish umbrella to defend themselves from Bashar al-Assad.

Turkey has about 20% Kurds living within its borders.

I don't recognize their nationality or any of their rights.

Any kind of Kurdish state, whether it's in Iraq or Syria, is a direct threat to us.

Carl Lee27 said:The identity of the Russian woman who was part of that group over in Albania
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/st...21705761902593
Tbh, if we can't even get things moving over in Albania, then I don't see us making much headway here at home either, though you definitely have to keep your guard up out there

It would be ten times easier for them to operate here than in Albania because we have an entire network of locals ready to work for their cause.
Finding people like that in Albania would be quite difficult.

Michael Davis9 said:If I'm following your logic, then the leaders in North Korea come to power through democratic elections held by the people.

At this rate, you'll probably start telling me that sharks bark, too.

In school terms, I'd say: see me after class.

Give me a break. You’ll need to explain the logical connection between your last two posts.

Hitler was "democratically elected" when he took power, you know? Mussolini, too. So, yeah... 🤣

And Putin today is also, how should I put this, "democratically elected"... for twenty-two years now. The people love him, clearly. He always has the best platform. 🤣

dustytiger8 said:Nice try... 🙂

I'll tell you this much: the party in Germany was called the NSDAP—the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." So, Nazism is just shorthand for National Socialism. The only real difference between them and Russia (the USSR) was the focus on the national versus the international. You can see that clearly in the Hitler-Stalin pact signed right before the second war.
In both cases, the result was millions of dead people.

It’s good to remember that occasionally...

The military was also called the American People's Army, which doesn't say much about what it actually was.

I couldn't agree more. Garbage is garbage, no matter how you dress it up.
If two things result in the exact same outcome—in this case, a dictatorship—then their origins are fundamentally identical.

People usually try to rationalize it by trying to measure out degrees of evil, which is exactly what guys like lettow, bubi mir, and a few others over here are attempting to do. They love the line, "The idea was fine at first, but the guys just got a little carried away!"

Evil is evil. It shouldn't be subject to a scale. It either exists, or it doesn't.

dustytiger8 said:Give me a break. You’ll need to explain the logical connection between your last two posts.

Hitler was "democratically elected" when he took power, you know? Mussolini, too. So, yeah... 🤣

And Putin today is also, how should I put this, "democratically elected"... for twenty-two years now. The people love him, clearly. He always has the best platform. 🤣

The point is, the term "democracy" in North Korea means about the same thing as "socialism" did to the Nazi Party.

It was named that way because they started by recruiting members through massive networks, but anyone who actually thought the party had anything to do with socialism quickly found themselves on the wrong side of history.

dustytiger8 said:I couldn't agree more. Garbage is garbage, no matter how you dress it up.
If two things result in the exact same outcome—in this case, a dictatorship—then their origins are fundamentally identical.

People usually try to rationalize it by trying to measure out degrees of evil, which is exactly what guys like lettow, bubi mir, and a few others over here are attempting to do. They love the line, "The idea was fine at first, but the guys just got a little carried away!"

Evil is evil. It shouldn't be subject to a scale. It either exists, or it doesn't.

In your view, yes. Plenty of people would disagree with you, and many currently do.

dustytiger8 said:Nice try... 🙂

I'll tell you this much: the party in Germany was called the NSDAP—the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." So, Nazism is just shorthand for National Socialism. The only real difference between them and Russia (the USSR) was the focus on the national versus the international. You can see that clearly in the Hitler-Stalin pact signed right before the second war.
In both cases, the result was millions of dead people.

It’s good to remember that occasionally...

What you’ve pointed out is merely a matter of nomenclature.

The moment where socialism crosses the line into a criminal societal system occurs when its theory grants itself the right—indeed, the obligation—to 'settle scores and annihilate anyone deemed an enemy of the socialist idea and system.' Of course, they will decide who qualifies as an 'enemy' and how to eliminate them using a judiciary that is entirely indoctrinated by the ideology. Many don't even make it to a courtroom.
That is inherently criminal behavior, yet it is precisely the mechanism the system uses to saw off the very branch it sits on.

Fine... so everything supposedly differs from the "properly named socialist" USSR, but how exactly does that work? Especially when you consider the subtle distinctions regarding National Socialism...

The difference between those two brands of socialism boils down to their relationship with the nation. The German model was nation-centric, while the Russian one was internationalist. It all stemmed from local political necessities, given the homogeneity of the domestic population. The Russian version lasted longer, but the end results were identical. Enslaving entire nations and purging anyone who dares to think differently.

Today, Russians are attempting to resurrect that exact same machine. This necessitates denying the very existence of the Ukrainian Nation.

Does absolutely nobody see the connection here?

William Cooper11 said:Word is that when Dugin and his daughter were heading home from the theater last night, they swapped cars. Apparently, she was driving his, while he took hers—which is why she’s the one who didn't make it instead of him.

He played them both.

casualranger15 said:If the Russian authorities actually wanted to clear him, they could have found a hundred different ways to make it happen. They wouldn't have let this woman get a one-way ticket to the afterlife.

The motive here could easily be internal consolidation within Russia. Perhaps the focus has slipped, and now there is a perceived need to once again whip up fervor against the external and internal enemies that supposedly never sleep:

goldenowl73 said:Russian propagandists were out there this morning making all these loud threats against Kyiv because of what happened to Dugin. Margaryta Simonyan is actually out here saying they should just target the heart of Kyiv and completely tear apart the neighborhood where the government and the president are based. They’re basically promising that Kyiv is going to be shaking in its boots after this

https://tsargrad.tv/news/russkaja-ot...drognet_609139

As I have noted before, the Russian propaganda Machine will never pass up a situation this convenient to spin to their advantage, regardless of the actual causes behind a bombing attack. It might even serve as a blunt instrument to remind Muscovites of the absolute necessity of mobilization... It wouldn't be the first time such tactics have been deployed.

Crippling Russia, part two.

dustytiger8 said:Fine... so everything supposedly differs from the "properly named socialist" USSR, but how exactly does that work? Especially when you consider the subtle distinctions regarding National Socialism...

The difference between those two brands of socialism boils down to their relationship with the nation. The German model was nation-centric, while the Russian one was internationalist. It all stemmed from local political necessities, given the homogeneity of the domestic population. The Russian version lasted longer, but the end results were identical. Enslaving entire nations and purging anyone who dares to think differently.

Today, Russians are attempting to resurrect that exact same machine. This necessitates denying the very existence of the Ukrainian Nation.

Does absolutely nobody see the connection here?

Precisely.

There are two distinct types of socialism:

1. Communist socialism—viewed as a transitional stage toward a classless society.
2. Democratic socialism—functioning as a system for the redistribution of capital.

The first one? It’s a total utopia—and as such, it's dead and buried. But the second? That actually exists within numerous political parties inside our democratic capitalist society.

Nancy Gomez26 said:The motive here could easily be internal consolidation within Russia. Perhaps the focus has slipped, and now there is a perceived need to once again whip up fervor against the external and internal enemies that supposedly never sleep:

As I have noted before, the Russian propaganda Machine will never pass up a situation this convenient to spin to their advantage, regardless of the actual causes behind a bombing attack. It might even serve as a blunt instrument to remind Muscovites of the absolute necessity of mobilization... It wouldn't be the first time such tactics have been deployed.

Crippling Russia, part two.

And look, this Ukrainian journalist is basically singing the exact same tune as you, 👍Nancy Gomez26
. The propagandists were running low on ammo, and now they've found a perfect excuse for a whole new round of nonsense. They've already started the threats—I just saw a statement from Simonyan claiming that Kyiv is going to be shaking because of this.

Dugin is seen as a dangerous Nazi clown in Ukraine, but he wasn't really viewed as a legitimate threat or anything significant before. He's essentially just a pawn used by the Russian propaganda Machine. Even his daughter wasn't someone people really knew; I honestly hadn't even heard of her until this morning. The reaction from the Russian propagandists really proves that IT was a False flag operation to rise anti-Ukrainian sentiment even more and Heat up Russian Desire to destroy us.it is aimed AT Simonyan, Soloviev, and the rest of those pundits who have already burned through most of their usual garbage. Now that one of their own has been hit, they're getting a second wind because, frankly, they're spooked. Just my opinion based on their social Media messages. https://twitter.com/NikaMelkozerova/...lpudOb1rRjlOgA

crimsoncyclist71 said:In your view, yes. Plenty of people would disagree with you, and many currently do.

So, according to you—and by "many," you mean who exactly?—there are such things as "good" dictatorships? Like some version of enlightened absolutism?

Give me an example from history or the present day. Name one.

rowdytiger13 said:The fascists have started bickering amongst themselves, which is great news. Even better is the fact that there’s an underground resistance movement in Russia currently plotting an assassination against their own version of Joseph Goebbels.
Unfortunately, that fascist propagandist didn't happen to be in the car at the time. Instead, his daughter was killed.

And let us not forget that the daughter shared her father's exact worldview; she hosted her own radio and television programs where she faithfully peddled her father's fascist ideology along with relentless anti-Ukraine propaganda and disinformation.

Glossary, let’s be real—there is no such thing as a "good" or "democratic" socialism. You younger folks clearly didn't sit through any courses on the theory and practice of self-managed socialism back in school, and you obviously haven't spent much time digging into the Capital Group. If you had, you'd understand that the bedrock of building communism—or even socialism as a transitional phase—is "class struggle." There isn't any room for mercy or democracy in that process. What you’re calling democratic socialism isn't actually socialism at all. The only reason socialism ever functioned was because capitalists realized they could lose everything if they didn't allow others enough breathing room to survive. They eventually figured out that you need a consumer base to sell your products to, and you can't exactly sell anything to the destitute—well, except for alcohol and tobacco, I suppose; those are universal constants.