Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

The state of the Gulf of Mexico says it all—take Urinje, for example. That decommissioned refinery is a massive headache, and the modernization efforts have been subpar at best; every single shipment seems to leave behind more black sludge. Then you have Plomin—a gorgeous little spot in a stunning bay—sitting right next to the old coke plant in Bakar, plus the Omišalj Terminal handling derivatives and Cheniere Energy's LNG. It’s constant. The coastline is just devastated, and the tech being installed is cheap and outdated... honestly, those are the core reasons people are so frustrated—we have to remember, actual people live here. Oh, and I almost forgot about the power plant in Urinje—it works sporadically at best—not to mention that refinery sitting right in the heart of downtown Rijeka until recently. As for what my colleague on the forum is saying—it feels like someone arguing they can fight fires in downtown Los Angeles while standing in a suburb like Jakuševac. If this is handled properly—with some actual consideration for the local residents—there shouldn't be an issue. And finally (just so we're clear, I'm not from Omiš)—I truly wonder how they manage to survive on tourism given the current state of things, let alone the real estate prices. Beyond just diversifying energy sources, we need to scatter those "eyesores" and polluters away from our beautiful coast. Speaking with a bit of local patriotism here—the Gulf of Mexico is just completely trashed.

Robert Cooper9 said:Look, my friend—just to be brief—of course nobody is against diversifying our energy sources, but to flatly dismiss legitimate concerns as "stories for the naive" is almost rude. I am all for exploring various energy options, truly—but have you ever actually been out by the Omišalj Terminal? To start with, the crew there was sourcing bottom-of-the-barrel equipment—much like that decommissioned refinery over in Urinj—which leads to nothing but headaches later on. That terminal was so incredibly noisy it was unbearable; they claimed nothing could be done about it, yet they eventually ran an emergency procurement to upgrade the gear (I actually know someone who worked on the impact studies—they were completely ignored in favor of "politics" over expertise). Once they finally upgraded the equipment, the noise levels dropped by half. Furthermore, the Gulf of Mexico region is already overburdened with various—more or less failing—energy plants, so no one can imply that our opposition is some kind of paid agenda or nonsense. If you want to suggest putting the next LNG plant in Omiš, Makarska, or Vodice... well, then you might find some real animosity toward those solutions.

I agree that we need to respect construction standards, but that doesn't mean we should be against building things altogether.

Germany has decided to extend the lifespan of two nuclear power plants 👍

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-r...s_5321365.html

They only have three currently running, all of which were scheduled to shut down before the end of 2022 per Germany's plan to phase out nuclear energy entirely.

The coal plants were also supposed to be phased out through 2022 and 2023, but now those 27 plants will stay operational for the foreseeable future (at least until 2024).

According to one poll, 61% of people surveyed are in favor of these moves.

Honestly, solving the crisis is relatively straightforward even for Germany—they're just reopening thermal and nuclear plants. The environmental impact is the sticking point, and of course, the Greens are protesting, but if we've been polluting for a hundred years, another year or two isn't going to change much while they hunt for new gas suppliers. Bye-bye, Russia.👋

Larry Walker24 said:CNN reported that about 419,000 people fled Russia during the first half of 2022—that’s double what we saw the year before.

For the first time in recent history, more people are packing their bags to leave than are actually moving in. The U.S. Census Bureau didn't break down the specific nationalities of everyone heading out.

Usually, the country pulls in immigrants from former Soviet states. But this year, the whole trend flipped. About 369,000 people headed out to those former Soviet territories, while only 295,000 moved in. Interestingly, nearly 80,000 of them picked Ukraine as their destination.

Ever since the invasion of Ukraine kicked off in February, we've seen an exodus not just from the war zone itself, but from Russia too, according to dpa.

It’s mostly opposition folks fleeing, along with a massive wave of young, educated professionals looking for work after all the Western companies pulled out.

Huge communities have already popped up in Armenia and Georgia, mainly because it’s way easier for Russians to get through the door there.

In just the first six months, the Russian population dropped by a total of 480,000, though part of that is just due to the natural decline in population.

This isn't a good look—especially if they are flooding into smaller nations like Georgia, Armenia, or the Baltic States. That creates long-term friction. If those countries lean toward the West, they'll eventually face pressure or feel threatened by these influxes. They should just head to Germany or France instead.

Michelle Young50 said:This isn't a good look—especially if they are flooding into smaller nations like Georgia, Armenia, or the Baltic States. That creates long-term friction. If those countries lean toward the West, they'll eventually face pressure or feel threatened by these influxes. They should just head to Germany or France instead.

It’s not like they’re Taliban militants or anything; they aren't exactly being welcomed with open arms in Germany or France either. 🤷
The Baltic States are part of the European Union, so Russians can't just wander in whenever they feel like it without a Schengen visa or applying for some kind of temporary or permanent residency permit.
As for the rest of those former Soviet states, the people moving there tend to be less wealthy and less educated; most of them are fleeing Russia because they can't stomach Putin's regime. You don't see people flocking to Georgia or Armenia just to immediately sign up for unemployment benefits, let alone wandering around Yerevan sporting a "Z" symbol or a shirt featuring Putin's face.

TangoSix on the Slovakian Mig jets:

Even if you consider that they’ve been meticulously maintained and have undergone a limited but genuinely high-quality modernization process, those Slovakian Mig jets would likely offer very little tactical utility to Kyiv in this current conflict, especially as Russian aerospace forces continue to tighten their grip and expand their dominance over Ukrainian airspace.

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James Phillips92 said:When people fight against building a Cheniere Energy terminal, you have to look at their actual reasoning. Sure, they'll spin these tales about how it'll mess with ocean temperatures or drive away certain fish species—but let’s be real, that’s just noise. Now we can see the true motivations behind their opposition to LNG.

Building on that, this ties directly into what's happening right now.
They weren't actually fighting the ExxonMobil project; they were fighting floating terminals.
A floating setup doesn't pay tax revenue to the local government and uses the ocean for cooling.
An onshore facility is better—it brings in tax revenue, creates more local jobs, and instead of having a massive eyesore sitting out in the water, you just have a port where ships dock occasionally. Plus, the cooling is handled by burning off some transport gas.

Once the war broke out and this energy crisis hit, it became clear that a land-based facility with higher capacity is the way to go. They just greenlit 180 million dollars for it recently.

Jesse Sanchez4 said:TangoSix on the Slovakian Mig jets:

Even if you consider that they’ve been meticulously maintained and have undergone a limited but genuinely high-quality modernization process, those Slovakian Mig jets would likely offer very little tactical utility to Kyiv in this current conflict, especially as Russian aerospace forces continue to tighten their grip and expand their dominance over Ukrainian airspace.

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Those air forces are certainly something. After spending the first few days wiping out the entire Ukrainian air defense system and every single combat aircraft—achieving total air superiority, mind you—and then deciding to repeat the whole process just to be safe, we are now six months into this war and they are steadily expanding their dominance over Ukrainian airspace.
😵

Man, it’s no easy feat to wipe out something like 762% of the enemy's forces.

Robert Cooper9 said:The state of the Gulf of Mexico says it all—take Urinje, for example. That decommissioned refinery is a massive headache, and the modernization efforts have been subpar at best; every single shipment seems to leave behind more black sludge. Then you have Plomin—a gorgeous little spot in a stunning bay—sitting right next to the old coke plant in Bakar, plus the Omišalj Terminal handling derivatives and Cheniere Energy's LNG. It’s constant. The coastline is just devastated, and the tech being installed is cheap and outdated... honestly, those are the core reasons people are so frustrated—we have to remember, actual people live here. Oh, and I almost forgot about the power plant in Urinje—it works sporadically at best—not to mention that refinery sitting right in the heart of downtown Rijeka until recently. As for what my colleague on the forum is saying—it feels like someone arguing they can fight fires in downtown Los Angeles while standing in a suburb like Jakuševac. If this is handled properly—with some actual consideration for the local residents—there shouldn't be an issue. And finally (just so we're clear, I'm not from Omiš)—I truly wonder how they manage to survive on tourism given the current state of things, let alone the real estate prices. Beyond just diversifying energy sources, we need to scatter those "eyesores" and polluters away from our beautiful coast. Speaking with a bit of local patriotism here—the Gulf of Mexico is just completely trashed.

If the Gulf Coast and its waters are truly being devastated, then I would argue it is tourism doing the damage, rather than industrial facilities.

Jessica Peterson2 said:It’s not like they’re Taliban militants or anything; they aren't exactly being welcomed with open arms in Germany or France either. 🤷
The Baltic States are part of the European Union, so Russians can't just wander in whenever they feel like it without a Schengen visa or applying for some kind of temporary or permanent residency permit.
As for the rest of those former Soviet states, the people moving there tend to be less wealthy and less educated; most of them are fleeing Russia because they can't stomach Putin's regime. You don't see people flocking to Georgia or Armenia just to immediately sign up for unemployment benefits, let alone wandering around Yerevan sporting a "Z" symbol or a shirt featuring Putin's face.

Sure, they're probably wealthier, but give it 50 years and Russian imperialist policy might be back on the menu. New generations could end up begging to rejoin Mother Russia. That’s the constant risk when you let them in.

It looks like the Ukrainians are finally making their move on the battlefield. Putin is back to his usual routine of whining about the West's impending collapse, which is always a pretty reliable indicator.

"Russia didn't start this conflict in Ukraine; they're just trying to wrap it up. This whole situation has been going on since 2014," Putin claimed.

I honestly have to wonder if that monster in Krmelj actually believes his own lies.

Putin on a more just world

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

"The whole idea behind multipolarity is that the world ought to be a lot fairer, you know? We shouldn't have a global system built on the dictates of one single nation that thinks it’s acting as God's personal representative on Earth—maybe even more than that, if you ask me—while basing its entire foreign policy on this supposed sense of exceptionalism," the Russian President claimed.

Before dropping that line, Putin went after Western nations, accusing them of playing dirty with developing countries when it comes to exporting grain from Ukraine. According to the Russian leader, these Western powers are only looking out for themselves, basically saying they couldn't care less about what happens to the developing world.

Humanitarian and democrat😁

Morgan Wright5 said:If the Gulf Coast and its waters are truly being devastated, then I would argue it is tourism doing the damage, rather than industrial facilities.

I'll wrap up this little detour from the main topic—tourism isn't the villain here, but the unchecked, unplanned sprawl and concrete jungle certainly is. Even industry follows that same messy pattern. And let's not forget how much local input is ignored these days—hardly anyone asks the community anymore. When you advocate for cleaner, more efficient technology, they label you an enemy of progress—only to turn around and spend massive amounts of our tax dollars on outdated tech. Honestly, if you don't actually live in the area we're discussing, it's hard to take your judgment as objective. I'd love to see what you'd think if you had lived near the old coking plants back in the day. I once visited the B. Kidrič plant in Ptuj, where they modernized the bauxite furnaces—one section was still using the old setup... and the difference was night and day. If projects were handled with that kind of care, nobody would be complaining. Anyway, let's get back to the actual topic.

bluemason3 said:Humanitarian and democrat😁

With Sa Iljin in my pocket and a holy Russia on my mind🕺

gentlerider7 said:Putin on a more just world

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

"The whole idea behind multipolarity is that the world ought to be a lot fairer, you know? We shouldn't have a global system built on the dictates of one single nation that thinks it’s acting as God's personal representative on Earth—maybe even more than that, if you ask me—while basing its entire foreign policy on this supposed sense of exceptionalism," the Russian President claimed.

Before dropping that line, Putin went after Western nations, accusing them of playing dirty with developing countries when it comes to exporting grain from Ukraine. According to the Russian leader, these Western powers are only looking out for themselves, basically saying they couldn't care less about what happens to the developing world.

That's some pretty rich commentary coming from someone who denies the existence of the Ukrainian people and their nation. I don't mind freezing up if it means we can finally cut the Russians (including those so-called "we aren't like the others" types) loose from Europe. Total KGB-style garbage.

The moment some fascist brat starts rambling about the European Union freezing up, you know they’re losing ground on the battlefield.

darkhawk30 said:"Russia didn't start this conflict in Ukraine; they're just trying to wrap it up. This whole situation has been going on since 2014," Putin claimed.

I honestly have to wonder if that monster in Krmelj actually believes his own lies.

Here’s the full breakdown of what he was blathering about:

"Putin claimed that since launching the special military operation in Ukraine, Russia hasn't lost a thing—if anything, they've bolstered their sovereignty.

“I am certain we haven't lost anything (since the start of the special operation in Ukraine – The New York Times) and we aren't going to lose anything. The biggest win is the strengthening of our sovereignty, which is just the inevitable result of everything happening right now”, the Russian leader stated.

In his twisted logic, there is a "certain polarization" regarding Russia's actions in Ukraine, but he thinks this will "only be beneficial," because it allows the Russian Federation to "discard" everything that is "unnecessary or temporary" and stands in the way of "moving forward." .

Putin is also dead certain that Russia isn't the one who sparked the hostility in Ukraine.

“We didn't initiate any military operations; we're simply attempting to wrap things up. The ones who refused to allow for normal, peaceful development and tried to suppress their own people are the ones who started the hostilities in Ukraine following the 2014 coup,” the head of state claims.