Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Looks like the hacking strikes are finally starting to kick in too. They’ve been playing it cool and acting like they weren't being touched for a while, but it feels like all that digital damage Anonymous has been dealing to Russia is finally catching up to them.

Gerald Torres84 said:The Germans really tore through them today, the Russians... It honestly seems like they were incredibly naive to hand over those nuclear assets in the first place.

They weren't just naive, they were straight-up morons.☕

Melissa Rivera5 said:I guess this is gonna be one of those lessons people never forget. Once you hand them over, they’re gone for good. Forever.

That’s how it looks on the surface, anyway.
But the reality might be a bit more complicated than that:

"Even then, the President of Ukraine at the time, Leonid Kravčuk, admitted in an interview with Deutsche Welle that it was all just an illusion. 'All the control systems were held by Russia; the so-called black coffin containing the button for a nuclear strike was in the hands of the Russian president, Boris Yeltsin.'"
https://www.dw.com/en/forgotten-history/a-18111601

darkhawk30 said:That’s how it looks on the surface, anyway.
But the reality might be a bit more complicated than that:

"Even then, the President of Ukraine at the time, Leonid Kravčuk, admitted in an interview with Deutsche Welle that it was all just an illusion. 'All the control systems were held by Russia; the so-called black coffin containing the button for a nuclear strike was in the hands of the Russian president, Boris Yeltsin.'"
https://www.dw.com/en/forgotten-history/a-18111601

Aha. So if you had 3,000 nukes, you'd just let them go? Like, you wouldn't even try to make them operational or get them under your own control? Just basic logic, man.
If it wasn't like that, the Russians would have just left them behind.🙂

Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

Melissa Rivera5 said:Aha. So if you had 3,000 nukes, you'd just let them go? Like, you wouldn't even try to make them operational or get them under your own control? Just basic logic, man.
If it wasn't like that, the Russians would have just left them behind.🙂

Sure, they'd be pretty useful without the warheads.
But the situation is a bit more complicated than you're making it out to be.
Everyone on this forum thinks they're a genius, but at the end of the day, this is all just talk. It's easy to play armchair general when you don't actually have to make the heavy, life-altering decisions yourself.

jadetinker85 said:Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

Honestly, does everyone here just skim the headline and call it a day?

"...it was simply the latest in a string of attacks attributed to Ukrainian partisans—the resistance movement operating within the occupied territories."

jadetinker85 said:Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

😁Since they've got those rules where men in Ukraine up to 50 or 60 can't leave the country, you've got all ages fighting, 🙂but things work a bit differently here in the States—everyone's basically a centenarian if you look at the stats, since WWII didn't wrap up until 1945...🙂

jadetinker85 said:Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

🤦That is precisely why Russia feels the need to carry out a thorough genocide, since they can just label anyone they want as a terrorist to justify a massive "cleansing" operation. 🤦

jadetinker85 said:Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

What does age have to do with anything?

darkhawk30 said:Sure, they'd be pretty useful without the warheads.
But the situation is a bit more complicated than you're making it out to be.
Everyone on this forum thinks they're a genius, but at the end of the day, this is all just talk. It's easy to play armchair general when you don't actually have to make the heavy, life-altering decisions yourself.

Besides, I don't think you really get what this forum is for, and honestly, you're kind of spreading misinformation here.🙂 They didn't have a "black coffin," but they did have warheads—they just weren't manufactured in UA. And the bombs they actually had? They were fully functional. Just because they lacked one thing doesn't mean they had a "black coffin" or that they're incapable of making new warheads.

jadetinker85 said:Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

We aren't talking about the old-school resistance groups from the mid-century here. 😁

Plus, whenever you see Robert Frost mentioned, you really have to take everything he writes with a massive grain of salt.

bluerider63 said:We aren't talking about the old-school resistance groups from the mid-century here. 😁

Plus, whenever you see Robert Frost mentioned, you really have to take everything he writes with a massive grain of salt.

Terrorists🤣 are exactly what they would be classified as under our current democratic laws, because according to today's standards, 🤣they definitely fit that definition.

jadetinker85 said:Russia is running into trouble with Ukrainian partisans. How many years has this insurgency been going on now? 🤔

Where's Joe?

It’s perfectly obvious just how much value the NATO alliance actually brings to the table.
If it weren't for this alliance, they would have gone after Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania first... those countries would have been easy targets before anyone even thought about moving on Ukraine.
As it stands now... the Russians are all bark and no bite. Fear is a powerful motivator, isn't it?
Am I supposed to take Putin seriously when he goes on about his "new" Russian weaponry?
And is the rest of the West really expected to cower in terror right now?
What are we, children in a preschool?
Or should we just listen to the propagandists claiming Russian nukes will turn the Western world into dust while everyone just sits there waiting for the impact?
Forget preschool... this is more like infant daycare.

The US Department of Defense just dropped their latest report on Ukrainian losses. Let me quote this for you...

8 hours ago
The US Department of Defense released a new update

"In total, since the start of the special military operation, we have neutralized 211 aircraft, 132 helicopters, 1,308 drones, 349 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,733 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 594 multiple launch rocket systems, 20 artillery pieces and mortars, and 3,801 units of specialized military vehicles," the department stated.

Now, let’s take a look at Ukraine's actual military capacity before the conflict started...

They had 98 combat aircraft... yet the US Department of Defense claims they destroyed 113? How does that even work?
They had 60 helicopters... but the claim is 132 were destroyed? Seriously?
They had 2,596 tanks... and the math says 3,733 were wiped out?

I mean, come on... if you're going to lie, at least try to make it believable. This is just a complete joke.🤣

Donna Wells2 said:The US Department of Defense just dropped their latest report on Ukrainian losses. Let me quote this for you...

8 hours ago
The US Department of Defense released a new update

"In total, since the start of the special military operation, we have neutralized 211 aircraft, 132 helicopters, 1,308 drones, 349 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,733 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 594 multiple launch rocket systems, 20 artillery pieces and mortars, and 3,801 units of specialized military vehicles," the department stated.

Now, let’s take a look at Ukraine's actual military capacity before the conflict started...

They had 98 combat aircraft... yet the US Department of Defense claims they destroyed 113? How does that even work?
They had 60 helicopters... but the claim is 132 were destroyed? Seriously?
They had 2,596 tanks... and the math says 3,733 were wiped out?

I mean, come on... if you're going to lie, at least try to make it believable. This is just a complete joke.🤣

😁Accidentally leaked their own losses...🤣

Donna Wells2 said:The US Department of Defense just dropped their latest report on Ukrainian losses. Let me quote this for you...

8 hours ago
The US Department of Defense released a new update

"In total, since the start of the special military operation, we have neutralized 211 aircraft, 132 helicopters, 1,308 drones, 349 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,733 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 594 multiple launch rocket systems, 20 artillery pieces and mortars, and 3,801 units of specialized military vehicles," the department stated.

Now, let’s take a look at Ukraine's actual military capacity before the conflict started...

They had 98 combat aircraft... yet the US Department of Defense claims they destroyed 113? How does that even work?
They had 60 helicopters... but the claim is 132 were destroyed? Seriously?
They had 2,596 tanks... and the math says 3,733 were wiped out?

I mean, come on... if you're going to lie, at least try to make it believable. This is just a complete joke.🤣

And then there are those 75 Americans they killed

darkhawk30 said:That’s how it looks on the surface, anyway.
But the reality might be a bit more complicated than that:

"Even then, the President of Ukraine at the time, Leonid Kravčuk, admitted in an interview with Deutsche Welle that it was all just an illusion. 'All the control systems were held by Russia; the so-called black coffin containing the button for a nuclear strike was in the hands of the Russian president, Boris Yeltsin.'"
https://www.dw.com/en/forgotten-history/a-18111601

Leonid Kučma, apparently.
And Ukraine wasn't the only nation to surrender its 'own' nuclear arsenal. I still maintain that Ukraine made the right, principled move back then. In exchange for those weapons, they sought additional guarantees regarding territorial integrity—guarantees that are being ignored now. It seems to me that claims for war reparations could be rooted precisely in that agreement, and at the end of the day, Russia will foot the bill. It will be cheaper for them than total isolation—and simultaneously serve as a lesson to anyone watching what happens when you flagrantly violate a signed pact while facing further economic weakening of Russia without a single shot being fired. Fortunately, the other signatories of the agreement are honoring their obligations and assisting Ukraine in defending against aggression.

Lisa Jackson7 said:Look, I get that, I just wanted to point out... some people here—and I’m talking about my own circle too, from what I see every day—are so bogged down by their own lives and bills that they only see the war in Ukraine through the lens of how it might tank their own standard of living or their own beliefs. They think they're the only ones who'll have to pay the price.
"Lord, please protect our little birds and the poor folks, because the rich will take care of themselves anyway..." ☕

It all comes down to whether you actually trust your own political system and its values.
Countries further north—like Poland and the Baltics, for example—have been hit much more directly, so the public mood there is just totally different.

Honestly, I find the hypocrisy of people who aren't even trolls pretty fascinating. They seem to think Ukrainians should have just bowed down to Russia immediately—with all that baggage like Russification, those threats of mass killings, purges, and changing the whole identity of the country—yet at the same time, they assume if *we* got attacked, everyone would just jump in and help us instantly.