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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
300 messages
joined Nov 2023
#8221 ·
Noah Sanchez2 said:It would have been much better for Europe and the rest of the West if things had been handled differently from the start. Instead, the obsession with profit margins pushed manufacturing all the way to the Far East. If we hadn't done that, wouldn't the goods be higher quality? Wouldn't more money stay in Europe, creating more jobs and perhaps even encouraging people to have more children?

Look, you can't magically conjure up more employees than there are working-age people in the population. It’s basic math. Europe doesn't have a "lack of jobs" problem—honestly, it hasn't for a long time—and the reason people aren't having many kids isn't because they're sitting around waiting for an opening at a factory; it's a much deeper demographic shift. In fact, Europe is facing a chronic shortage of workers, not a shortage of positions. And besides, if Europe actually tried to manufacture half of what it currently imports from China, who on earth would be left to staff those factories? The reality is that Europe needs to—and should be—focusing on high-value goods, maximizing the productivity of the small workforce it actually has left. Even then, most of that high-end stuff has already been outsourced too, which basically just hands free rein to the radical right.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8222 ·
This one hits the mark:

Since February 24th, we've been gathering data and photographing every single person sporting those "Z" and "V" symbols on their cars throughout St. Petersburg. We managed to bypass the owners by digging through chimera-info. My plan is to forward their home addresses and phone numbers directly to the local military recruitment offices, categorized by their specific registration districts.

Once I identified a phone number, I was able to cross-reference and crack their residential addresses using integrated DoorDash databases. Even if they aren't currently staying at their registered residence, the military commissars recognize all valid locations.

Naturally, I won't be posting these lists here. Everything will proceed exactly according to plan. There are no obstacles when it comes to true patriots. 🙂

Let me clarify the reasoning behind this:
1. It’s better that they just leave than face the alternative of being arrested for opposition.
2. Most of them are cowards who aren't ready for action; it's far better to have fifty-year-olds stepping up than healthy young men.
3. This isn't about punishment; consider it a way to help them fulfill their hidden desires—a little bit of instant Karma.

and so on...

https://twitter.com/vint_67/status/1...xQoYk-IS1-0lFA
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#8223 ·
gentlestag15 said:Why is Crimea colored green on that map?
You probably need to go back to second grade geography. 🙂

That light green shade is used specifically to show territory that was illegally annexed, unlike the dark green which represents actual Russian land. It’s just a way to visually show how much they're surrounded by the NATO alliance.😛
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8224 ·
CIA: Russian forces launched Iranian kamikaze drones toward Uman to target Jewish communities

Russian troops deliberately deployed Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drones over Uman specifically to strike Hasidic Jews currently celebrating Rosh Hashanah in the city.

According to the DIA, more than ten Shahed-136 drones have been intercepted in southern Ukraine over the last few days. Some of these units were launched from occupied Crimea and directed straight at Uman. It appears the Russians intended to hit Hasidic religious sites where large crowds gather.

“Planned terrorist acts against Israeli citizens are one of the conditions for Iran delivering drones to Russia. As we know, this isn't the first instance of cooperation between these two terrorist states. Not long ago, an American civilian airliner was shot down in Iran—ostensibly by mistake—but the interests of The Kremlin are clearly visible behind this case," the intelligence agency stated.

On July 7th, the American ambassador to Israel, Yevhen Korniychuk, noted that given the ongoing war, America cannot guarantee the safety of pilgrims. The FBI and the SBU have advised Hasidic communities to refrain from traveling to America this year
The FBI advises Hasidic pilgrims to avoid traveling to America for Rosh Hashanah celebrations this year
for the Rosh Hashanah festivities. The reasoning is the high probability of missile strikes and Russian operations, which could destabilize international relations and damage America's image.
Despite these warnings, 3,000 Hasidic individuals arrived in Uman.
Following the interception of Shahed-136 and Mohajer-6 drones, America revoked the credentials of the Iranian ambassador, Manouchehr Moradija, and reduced the size of the diplomatic staff. In response, Iran advised America "not to listen to third parties." The U.S. Department of State called on Iran to cease its military assistance to Russia and to stop hiding behind claims of alleged "foreign influence."

https://babel.ua/news/84817-rozvidka...kuvati-hasidiv
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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joined Feb 2022
#8225 ·
Noah Sanchez2 said:It would have been much better for Europe and the rest of the West if things had been handled differently from the start. Instead, the obsession with profit margins pushed manufacturing all the way to the Far East. If we hadn't done that, wouldn't the goods be higher quality? Wouldn't more money stay in Europe, creating more jobs and perhaps even encouraging people to have more children?

That whole shift toward the East actually started kicking off well before the Iron Curtain fell. And let's be real—once you move an entire production line halfway across the world, you aren't exactly rushing to pack up and bring it back home anytime soon.

On top of that, there was this big idea that by "lifting" these countries out of poverty and helping them develop, we’d basically be bringing them closer to Western values. Or at least, to those values that actually lead to peace—you know, where money matters way more than grabbing new territory.

But looking at where we are now, it looks like a massive miscalculation in how that policy played out. Now, it's all coming back to haunt us like a boomerang from every possible angle.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8226 ·
http://www.twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/...23050632667141

Word is spreading that a bunch of guys have been getting messages telling them to head over to Mariupol on September 29th—bring your documents and personal belongings along, too. 😠
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#8227 ·
The real issue with Russia is that their nuclear threat isn't just rhetoric—it’s real.
Yes, Russia is an aggressor.
Yes, they invaded a sovereign nation.
Yes, they blackmail everyone in their orbit.
Yes, their military commits atrocities.
Yes, they are a mirror image of Nazi Germany leading up to World War II.

The problem? They possess 6,000 nuclear warheads. If even half of those are functional, they could drag the entire world back to the Dark Ages.

As things stand now, is nuclear war inevitable?
It feels like a dead end.
We can't afford to give in to the Russians, yet if we don't, we face nuclear war.

Everyone loses.

Quite frankly, I don't see a way out. I don't see any solution at all.
I fear a nuclear conflict is unavoidable.
We should have been thinking about this—and acting on it—a long time ago.
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
214 messages
joined Sep 2008
#8228 ·
MO: Mobilized reservists are actually ALLOWED (!) to bring their OWN quadcopters, binoculars, night vision gear, and optical sights to the front lines.
🤦
https://aif.ru/society/army/mobilizo...y_kvadrokopter
David Torres2 David Torres2 Active Member
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joined May 2023
#8229 ·
walden said:Yeah, you guys are all pushing for de-escalation by wanting to bomb Russia. I'm one of those rare folks actually warning about how dangerous this is—we need everyone to chill out instead of ramping things up further.

First off: Russia’s nuclear doctrine doesn't mean they'll just hit the red button at the first sign of trouble. Whether these threats are real or just a massive bluff, they mostly point to the fact that the Russian Military is basically falling apart.

Second thing: Putin is talking big about tactical nukes, not strategic ones. There's a huge difference there. If Russia actually used a tactical nuke, they'd be totally isolated, and honestly, it would probably force every other Nuclear Power to completely rewrite their stance toward them.

Barking dogs don't bite, and I think that applies to Putin too.
His military is getting squeezed from every direction. He's cut off from Western military tech, and even China isn't stepping up to trade theirs in return right now. To make matters worse, he's stuck relying on Iranian drones because he can't even produce his own components.
The Russians have their backs against the wall.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#8230 ·
All bark and no bite.
I honestly have no idea where that tired old cliché even came from.

The Chinese have a different way of putting it: "A barking dog isn't quite cooked yet."
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#8231 ·
Matthew Young35 said:The real issue with Russia is that their nuclear threat isn't just rhetoric—it’s real.
Yes, Russia is an aggressor.
Yes, they invaded a sovereign nation.
Yes, they blackmail everyone in their orbit.
Yes, their military commits atrocities.
Yes, they are a mirror image of Nazi Germany leading up to World War II.

The problem? They possess 6,000 nuclear warheads. If even half of those are functional, they could drag the entire world back to the Dark Ages.

As things stand now, is nuclear war inevitable?
It feels like a dead end.
We can't afford to give in to the Russians, yet if we don't, we face nuclear war.

Everyone loses.

Quite frankly, I don't see a way out. I don't see any solution at all.
I fear a nuclear conflict is unavoidable.
We should have been thinking about this—and acting on it—a long time ago.

And then you suggest that the very people who have raked in trillions of dollars over the last few decades are just going to torch everything by triggering a nuclear Armageddon. And in the process, they'll wipe out their own families and everyone they love.

Well, fine then! Just quit your job and spend your last few days however you please... because I highly doubt you'll be working through the end times for a paycheck you'll never actually receive...
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Sep 2019
#8232 ·
Matthew Young35 said:The real issue with Russia is that their nuclear threat isn't just rhetoric—it’s real.
Yes, Russia is an aggressor.
Yes, they invaded a sovereign nation.
Yes, they blackmail everyone in their orbit.
Yes, their military commits atrocities.
Yes, they are a mirror image of Nazi Germany leading up to World War II.

The problem? They possess 6,000 nuclear warheads. If even half of those are functional, they could drag the entire world back to the Dark Ages.

As things stand now, is nuclear war inevitable?
It feels like a dead end.
We can't afford to give in to the Russians, yet if we don't, we face nuclear war.

Everyone loses.

Quite frankly, I don't see a way out. I don't see any solution at all.
I fear a nuclear conflict is unavoidable.
We should have been thinking about this—and acting on it—a long time ago.

Might as well grab a shovel and start digging.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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joined Jan 2018
#8233 ·
silentnomad7 said:And then you suggest that the very people who have raked in trillions of dollars over the last few decades are just going to torch everything by triggering a nuclear Armageddon. And in the process, they'll wipe out their own families and everyone they love.

Well, fine then! Just quit your job and spend your last few days however you please... because I highly doubt you'll be working through the end times for a paycheck you'll never actually receive...

It isn't their call to make; it’s up to Putin and his generals.

But then again, as I've said before: God willing, I am wrong.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#8234 ·
Matthew Young35 said:All bark and no bite.
I honestly have no idea where that tired old cliché even came from.

The Chinese have a different way of putting it: "A barking dog isn't quite cooked yet."

If you have a dog that actually bites, you either train it or you euthanize it if it’s beyond reason—you certainly don't just leave your house wide open to it and hope for the best.
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#8235 ·
Matthew Young35 said:It isn't their call to make; it’s up to Putin and his generals.

But then again, as I've said before: God willing, I am wrong.

Putin himself has built up a massive fortune—we're talking $200 billion—and he has a family to look after.

And it's the exact same story with his generals.

I mean, really, do we honestly think everyone in that tiny inner circle is going to be thrilled about incinerating themselves and their own families in a total nuclear war? Surely not...
David Torres2 David Torres2 Active Member
77 messages
joined May 2023
#8236 ·
Matthew Young35 said:All bark and no bite.
I honestly have no idea where that tired old cliché even came from.

The Chinese have a different way of putting it: "A barking dog isn't quite cooked yet."

You probably just blew your whole family savings at a Vegas sportsbook, so now you're praying for nuclear war just so you don't have to tell your wife the truth. 🤦
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
361 messages
joined Mar 2023
#8237 ·
Matthew Young35 said:It isn't their call to make; it’s up to Putin and his generals.

But then again, as I've said before: God willing, I am wrong.

I mean, they've definitely piled it on high... along with a whole wider circle of people surrounding them...

Aren't kids in the West studying figures like Lavrov and Zakharov? (That's a whole different level of hypocrisy right there, but let's not get sidetracked). And now we're supposed to believe they'll be sentenced to death just because of some failure regarding Ukraine? Seriously?

Though, I will say, they seem to be doing a pretty good job at spreading nothing but pure panic and hysteria...
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#8238 ·
Since we're all spiraling about this whole nuclear standoff thing, I think it’s probably better if we just move it to its own thread
probability of nuclear weapon use in conflict
boldbison40 boldbison40 Member
43 messages
joined Mar 2022
#8239 ·
Matthew Young35 said:The real issue with Russia is that their nuclear threat isn't just rhetoric—it’s real.
Yes, Russia is an aggressor.
Yes, they invaded a sovereign nation.
Yes, they blackmail everyone in their orbit.
Yes, their military commits atrocities.
Yes, they are a mirror image of Nazi Germany leading up to World War II.

The problem? They possess 6,000 nuclear warheads. If even half of those are functional, they could drag the entire world back to the Dark Ages.

As things stand now, is nuclear war inevitable?
It feels like a dead end.
We can't afford to give in to the Russians, yet if we don't, we face nuclear war.

Everyone loses.

Quite frankly, I don't see a way out. I don't see any solution at all.
I fear a nuclear conflict is unavoidable.
We should have been thinking about this—and acting on it—a long time ago.

Stop being so melodramatic. Americans blinked during Vietnam while the Russians supplied the weapons—nothing happened. The Russians blinked in Afghanistan while the Americans supplied the weapons—again, nothing happened. Why on earth do you think the outcome will be different this time? The Russians stumbled into a quagmire they never should have entered, but losing territory in Ukraine is nowhere near a threat to the very existence of the Russian Federation, and nobody is going to order the total annihilation of the world over that. This is a bluff; it's the only card they have left to play, but since no one has ever caved to a nuclear ultimatum before, they won't start now.
darkhawk30 darkhawk30 Active Member
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joined May 2023
#8240 ·
"The global food crisis is a direct consequence of the West's 'predatory policies,' according to Russian President Vladimir Putin, per AA...

Unfortunately, I find myself agreeing with that little krmelj. He just conveniently forgot to mention that his own policy is just as predatory—it’s just that his prey looks a little different.
In all his time in power, he hasn't made a single meaningful move to actually improve the world; instead, he's just pushed it closer to the edge of total collapse.

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