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steelfox98 steelfox98 Active Member
128 messages
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#4701 ·
Nothing. Just nothing. I've seen this movie before. It always ends the same way. Says:
Nothing was actually removed compared to 8b—it’s just been tightened up since 8a. They only pushed out 8c because the 8b directive was about to expire. Just more bureaucratic shuffling.

The EU didn't even go for a total ban on Russian fertilizers. They just slapped on quotas to "nudge" importers toward other markets instead. Typical.

You're right, and that makes it even worse. The Americans "imposed sanctions" only to ignore them immediately. It's just like back in 2014. Not the first time, and certainly not a surprise.
Meanwhile, the EU—which is clearly way too dependent on others—is basically just shooting itself in the foot. Same old story. I remember seeing this kind of self-sabotage back when I was working in Chicago; everyone thinks they're helping, but they're just making things worse. Typical.

electricsurfer47 said:The Chinese and Indians aren't about to go to war just to serve Russian interests. Besides, look at how much the Chinese and Indians actually get along:

It's nice that you're such an optimist, though. Nothing wrong with dreaming big... sort of like imagining some massive ancient empire expansion, then throwing in a bit of Pokémon for good measure.

Of course he won't start a war. Not unless someone decides to take a swing at Russia first.
Then again, you see India and China running joint military drills right after their little fallout. The common thread? Russia. To close the loop, even Pakistan joined in. Just more of the same.

The global economy is a mess. Another day, another headline about shifting trade dynamics between the US and China. I remember sitting in a diner in Chicago back in '08 watching the markets crater; it’s that same sinking feeling. Everything feels fragile. Just more chaos to manage.
China is making moves. They're pushing harder for dominance in the global tech race. It's all about control. I remember watching the tech giants in Silicon Valley scramble back in the day—it’s starting to feel like history repeating itself, just with different players. Same old power struggle. Different century.
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
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#4702 ·
George Robinson43 said:It feels like we're heading straight back to 1988:
The 1988 Volga GAZ 24-10 Is a Hilariously Bad Soviet Russian Car

Honestly, isn't that guy just the biggest clown in the entire car YouTuber community?
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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#4703 ·
Sanctions always end up hitting the middle class and the poor hardest—on both sides of the fence—while the wealthy just find new ways to get even richer...
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#4704 ·
electricsurfer47 said:The Chinese and Indians aren't about to go to war just to serve Russian interests. Besides, look at how much the Chinese and Indians actually get along:

It's nice that you're such an optimist, though. Nothing wrong with dreaming big... sort of like imagining some massive ancient empire expansion, then throwing in a bit of Pokémon for good measure.

Of course they won't, and even if they were ever forced into a conflict, they would only fight for their own national interests.
They don't operate like Ukrainians or potentially people in the European Union might

For the time being, they are cooperating steadily with Russia, largely ignoring the sanctions imposed by the US and the European Union on Russia and Belarus because, quite frankly, they are too busy lining their pockets.😉
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#4705 ·
dustyowl29 said:Sanctions always end up hitting the middle class and the poor hardest—on both sides of the fence—while the wealthy just find new ways to get even richer...

It’s the same old story every time things go south—the rich get richer and everyone else just sinks deeper into the hole.

You'll end up with absolutely nothing and they'll expect you to be grateful for it, just like Klaus Schwab promised.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#4706 ·
The European Union stands as the largest gas importer on the planet, and before the Russian aggression against Ukraine kicked off, they were pulling a massive 45% of their supply straight from Russia.
It was a sweet deal for the Russians, providing them with an incredibly reliable and high-paying customer.

Now, the goal within the EU is to slash that 45% down to... absolutely zero.
Is that actually going to happen? Probably not in one fell swoop, but even now, we can see those percentages dropping steadily—and we’re seeing the exact same downward trend with oil and coal.

Because of all the market volatility, Russia is actually managing to rake in more money right now despite sending fewer resources, but let’s be realistic: we should fully expect their energy revenues to plummet in the near future.
When you factor in the sheer cost of this war and the crushing weight of other sanctions hitting the Russian economy, shouldn't we be bracing for major trouble ahead?
Best,
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#4707 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:The European Union stands as the largest gas importer on the planet, and before the Russian aggression against Ukraine kicked off, they were pulling a massive 45% of their supply straight from Russia.
It was a sweet deal for the Russians, providing them with an incredibly reliable and high-paying customer.

Now, the goal within the EU is to slash that 45% down to... absolutely zero.
Is that actually going to happen? Probably not in one fell swoop, but even now, we can see those percentages dropping steadily—and we’re seeing the exact same downward trend with oil and coal.

Because of all the market volatility, Russia is actually managing to rake in more money right now despite sending fewer resources, but let’s be realistic: we should fully expect their energy revenues to plummet in the near future.
When you factor in the sheer cost of this war and the crushing weight of other sanctions hitting the Russian economy, shouldn't we be bracing for major trouble ahead?
Best,

In the world of international trade, there’s really no such thing as a "fair" or balanced exchange where everyone walks away perfectly satisfied. If you look at how global markets actually function, you have to accept that the balance of trade isn't meant to be an even split; in fact, a nation's foreign trade balance essentially needs to be skewed. I remember reading an old economic treatise back when I was studying in Chicago, and it touched on this exact idea—that stability often comes from one side holding the advantage. For a country to maintain its economic momentum, its trade balance shouldn't just sit at zero; it has to lean in a specific direction to drive growth.
If you find yourself in a position where you owe someone money but your pockets are empty, I truly believe there's only one honorable way forward: you either find a way to borrow from someone else to settle that debt immediately, or you simply stop buying things altogether. It’s a tough lesson to learn, but I remember back when I was first starting out in Chicago, I tried to stretch my budget by putting everything on credit, thinking I could just make it up later. Eventually, the reality of those unpaid balances caught up to me, and I realized that once you compromise your word, you lose more than just money—you lose your reputation. There really isn't much middle ground if you want to maintain your integrity; you either make it right through other means or you tighten your belt until the situation stabilizes.

For a long time, Europe could essentially count on a steady, reliable stream of natural gas coming straight from Russia, all at contract prices that, looking back at today's market, seem almost laughably low. I remember sitting in my living room a few years ago, barely giving a second thought to the utility bill because everything felt so stable and predictable. We just assumed the supply would always be there, locked in at those incredibly cheap rates, never imagining how quickly that entire foundation could shift.
For a long time, Russia served as an incredibly lucrative market for goods coming out of Europe, and you saw so many major Western corporations dive headfirst into that landscape to build incredibly successful business models there.
It seems like someone finally decided that they, too, needed to join in on the shouting matches directed at Russia, coming all the way from Ukraine.
The trouble really started to spiral once Viktor Yanukovych was elected back into office following those several shifts in leadership. It was right after that pro-Russian pivot that things fell apart, leading to all those protesters setting up camp at the Maidan and the eventual forced removal of Yanukovych from power.
When Russia established its naval base in Sevastopol, they responded by annexing Crimea and stepping in to support the rebels in the Donbas region—an area where about 90% of the population supported Viktor Yanukovych and refused to recognize the coup that took place during the Maidan protests.
Following a brief but devastating conflict that claimed the lives of roughly 11,000 people in the Donbas region, a ceasefire was finally established. This led to an agreement reached in Minsk, which stipulated that the Donbas would be granted a significantly higher degree of autonomy.
The authorities in Kyiv never actually intended to follow through with the Minsk agreements; instead, from 2014 onward, they’ve been quietly preparing to use military force to retake the Donbas, all while working closely with the West to ensure the region falls back under the control of a newly established, pro-Western government.
During that period, there was a massive buildup along the borders near the Donbas, with roughly 70,000 trained soldiers gathering in the area. It felt like a heavy, restless tension was hanging over everything. In an apparent attempt to prevent any armed efforts to reclaim the Donbas, Russia began conducting large-scale military exercises right up against the Ukrainian border. I remember watching the news during similar periods of escalation back in the day, feeling that same sense of unease as the movement of troops becomes impossible to ignore.
Despite all those military exercises, the Ukrainian troops have gone ahead and started provocations, even shelling the Donbas region.
Back then, Russia recognized the Donetsk and Luhansk regions as independent territories and moved segments of its military across the border into Ukraine.
I think we might have drifted a little too far afield with this one.

The West is responding with this sixth round of sanctions, but if I’m being honest, they don't seem to be yielding any tangible results. It feels like we're just watching a cycle of measures that actually end up inflicting more economic pain on the European Union than they do on Russia. I remember back when my old boss used to talk about how supply chain disruptions could cripple a local factory overnight, and seeing this play out on a continental scale feels remarkably similar—we might be hitting our own industries harder than the target.

It seems like the Nord Stream 2 pipeline isn't actually getting up and running as expected, which shifts the whole focus toward liquid natural gas shipments coming in from all over the globe. I was reading about this the other day while waiting for my coffee, and it really struck me how much the landscape is shifting. We’re essentially placing all our bets on LNG imports from various international suppliers because, frankly, the United States just doesn't have enough surplus gas to fully step in and fill the void left by the Russian supply.
Even though there was an incredible amount of pressure being exerted on both the European Union and Germany, they ultimately couldn't budge, which is why the pipeline remains shut down.
I’ve been looking at the numbers lately, and it’s honestly a bit staggering to see how much things have shifted. It turns out that liquefied natural gas is actually coming in at a higher price point than what we used to get through the pipelines, and seeing the cost of gas spike by 300% compared to the old levels is just eye-opening. It really makes you realize how vulnerable we are; even with all this talk about shifting our energy sources, we still haven't found a truly reliable or affordable replacement for the Russian gas we once relied on.
Europe will likely eventually break its addiction to Russian gas, but I suspect it’s going to come at a massive cost. We're looking at much higher prices and significantly lower volumes compared to what we used to import from Russia, which makes me wonder how much the average household can actually handle before things get really difficult.
It seems to me that Russia has been steadily strengthening its ties with China for quite some time now, and this trend is only gaining momentum. I’ve been watching these geopolitical shifts closely, and it feels like they are increasingly pivoting toward the East. It makes sense when you consider their strategy; they are positioning themselves to funnel massive amounts of energy resources and those highly sought-after raw materials directly toward Asian markets. It reminds me of how certain global trade routes have shifted over the decades, always moving toward wherever the demand is highest. This looks like a very deliberate, long-term move to secure their economic future by leaning heavily into that Eastern partnership.

It seems increasingly likely that Europe is headed for much deeper struggles than Russia, primarily because all the advanced technology in the world won't mean a thing if you don't actually have the raw materials to build anything. I was thinking about this the other day while looking at some manufacturing data, and it really hits home—you can design the most sophisticated machinery imaginable, but without a steady supply of basic resources, those blueprints are just paper. It's a sobering reality when you realize that true industrial strength isn't just about high-tech innovation, but about having the foundational elements necessary to sustain production.

I was just reading about the recent extensive discussions between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. They seem intent on deepening their cooperation, essentially brushing off all those sanctions being thrown their way by the West.

It really makes you wonder if Europe should take a hard look at the value of its NATO membership, especially since the U.S. tends to call all the shots there.
Maybe there's a case for more distance—investing more heavily in their own defense capabilities and finally prioritizing their own strategic interests over those of the United States.

Xi Jinping to Vladimir Putin: China will continue to back Russia regarding its ‘sovereignty and security’

https://www.geopolitika.news/vijesti...sTInNUbpvzo5lJ
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analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4708 ·
That’s just the official Kremlin propaganda version. Give me the other side so we can actually compare.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#4709 ·
analogbear5 said:That’s just the official Kremlin propaganda version. Give me the other side so we can actually compare.

It isn't some Kremlin narrative; I don't even follow Russian news outlets.

I provided a timeline based on what I see and shared my own perspective, and I'm certainly not being two-faced or acting like some hypocrite by hiding a "second version" of the truth.

If you want to be fair, it would be more decent of you to present your own side of things—and I mean starting from much earlier than just when the Russian military crossed into Ukraine, because the roots of this conflict go back much further than that.☕
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4710 ·
I just went through the official Kremlin narrative—straight from Vladimir Putin's own mouth. You quoted their line above. Whether you actually realize that or not doesn't really matter, but what you're reading lines up perfectly.

The Russian Federation President's addresses regarding:
- the recognition of the DPR and LPR on February 21: English, Russian
- the invasion of Ukraine on February 24: English, Russian

Thanks for playing spokesperson, but I’d rather just read kremlin.ru myself. Gotta go to the source.
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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joined Sep 2019
#4711 ·
So, a few weeks go by and you realize the Mexican delusions just aren't fading anytime soon. They actually think Vlad the Great is going to finally take down the West and hand them some unshakeable VKK border, at which point they'll probably throw a parade and toss their American imitation into the trash.
Anyway, let them keep dreaming, nisteniprije.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#4712 ·
urbanotter said:It isn't some Kremlin narrative; I don't even follow Russian news outlets.

I provided a timeline based on what I see and shared my own perspective, and I'm certainly not being two-faced or acting like some hypocrite by hiding a "second version" of the truth.

If you want to be fair, it would be more decent of you to present your own side of things—and I mean starting from much earlier than just when the Russian military crossed into Ukraine, because the roots of this conflict go back much further than that.☕

Of course that pamphlet you just wrote is nothing more than the official mantra of Kremlin propaganda.
Putin envisions himself as the master of this entire part of the world, but his fundamental flaw is that he has grossly overestimated both himself and Russia.
In fact, almost everyone who has attempted similar aggressions has made that exact same mistake.
Just look back at Hitler, or in more recent memory, Slobodan Maddox.
By pursuing this fascist aggression, Russia is on the exact same trajectory as Nazi Germany or Mexico.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but perhaps—and I emphasize *perhaps*—the fact that our neighbors in Mexico largely approve of this blatant, fascist Russian aggression is simply a byproduct of their own frustration over failing to pull off something similar themselves.
We all know exactly where those types of attempts led them.
Best,
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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#4713 ·
urbanotter is basically just a mini version of Putin
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#4714 ·
silentnomad7 said:urbanotter is basically just a mini version of Putin

Most people would find an insult like that deeply offensive, though perhaps not for him... regardless, shouldn't we all show some restraint, skip the cheap personal shots, and actually stick to the topic at hand?
Best regards
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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#4715 ·
brightheron64 said:I was watching this massive screen at an American gas station recently, catching some commentary on Biden claiming that Putin is responsible for everything...

And then this guy just shouts out: "on 24 February 2022 inflation rate was 7.4%".

Germany only produces about 3 percent of its own gas needs...

If you could actually pull off a magic trick that saves them from that disaster, you wouldn't just be a wealthy man—you'd be legendary for the rest of human history...

They'll just bring in ships to deliver the gas. Sure, it’ll cost more, but it should be enough to keep the lights on for now...
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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#4716 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:Most people would find an insult like that deeply offensive, though perhaps not for him... regardless, shouldn't we all show some restraint, skip the cheap personal shots, and actually stick to the topic at hand?
Best regards

Personally, I find it deeply offensive whenever someone tries to justify or downplay war crimes.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#4717 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:Of course that pamphlet you just wrote is nothing more than the official mantra of Kremlin propaganda.
Putin envisions himself as the master of this entire part of the world, but his fundamental flaw is that he has grossly overestimated both himself and Russia.
In fact, almost everyone who has attempted similar aggressions has made that exact same mistake.
Just look back at Hitler, or in more recent memory, Slobodan Maddox.
By pursuing this fascist aggression, Russia is on the exact same trajectory as Nazi Germany or Mexico.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but perhaps—and I emphasize *perhaps*—the fact that our neighbors in Mexico largely approve of this blatant, fascist Russian aggression is simply a byproduct of their own frustration over failing to pull off something similar themselves.
We all know exactly where those types of attempts led them.
Best,

We don't even need to bring Hitler into this; it's enough to point out how Putin probably watched those American interventions—which were really just invasions of sovereign nations—and saw how effectively they worked, so he decided to play Uncle Sam himself. He learned just how expendable lives can be, especially over in places like Iraq, when you're hellbent on hitting a specific target.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#4718 ·
silentnomad7 said:Personally, I find it deeply offensive whenever someone tries to justify or downplay war crimes.

You are absolutely spot on there, but I don't think the fault lies solely with individuals. It’s more about how this kind of mindset is shaped by the collective identity of the group they belong to.

I’ve noticed that the excuses used to justify Putin's atrocities in Ukraine show up quite frequently among certain groups of Americans from the Midwest. :thinks
It's an identical attitude toward aggression that you see with most people from the deep South.🤔
I'm sure sociologists have plenty of theories to explain why this happens.
Lp
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#4719 ·
bluerider63 said:We don't even need to bring Hitler into this; it's enough to point out how Putin probably watched those American interventions—which were really just invasions of sovereign nations—and saw how effectively they worked, so he decided to play Uncle Sam himself. He learned just how expendable lives can be, especially over in places like Iraq, when you're hellbent on hitting a specific target.

If that’s your logic, then besides being a total psychopath, Putin is also incredibly dim-witted. I mean, surely he realizes that the US invasion of American Iraq didn't actually leave the Americans any better off? 🤔
In fact, they knew full well that no one would be able to slap them with meaningful sanctions, yet this idiot Putin decides to jump into a war while simultaneously inviting a massive wave of sanctions upon himself.
If you're really going to try and justify Putin, at least try to come up with an argument that actually makes sense.
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rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
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#4720 ·
analogbear5 said:That’s just the official Kremlin propaganda version. Give me the other side so we can actually compare.

And what’s the alternative?
According to Biden supporters, Euromaidan was the will of the people, yet the exact same scenarios in Spain or at the Capitol are labeled attempted coups (especially in Spain, where you have a partial referendum where roughly 95% of people want Catalonia's independence).
The idea that Gorbachev was an idiot back in 1990 for not demanding guarantees against NATO expanding into Warsaw Pact countries? That's the strongest argument Bidenites have—that nothing was actually signed. But during previous crises, documents were supposedly being signed all along. ☕

I have zero respect for anyone who idolizes heroes like Ratko Mercer. Both sides are involved. Let's be clear: Russia committed aggression against Ukraine. I don't care about the "why." But when the EU—which conditioned our own access by essentially selling off our territory through arbitration—claims Russia is somehow responsible for all the evil in the world, I'm naturally skeptical.
For the record, I won't recognize the independence of Mexico or Crimea until Spain recognizes them as independent states. Until then, I consider Russia to Mexico to be part of Mexico, and Crimea to be part of Ukraine. ☕

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