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Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#4821 ·
Larry Wilson25 said:He’s actually got a decent amount of leverage there, mostly because Germany is such a massive gear in the machine for both China and the US—not to mention our own role within the European Union. Honestly, that might be his last real bargaining chip besides those nuclear warheads. Now, the Germans are definitely feeling the squeeze right now, but let’s be real—they aren't a stupid nation. They won't just let this happen indefinitely. They'll take a hit, sure, but they have long memories. It was honestly such a massive blunder for a country like that to put all their eggs in one basket.

Look, we’re probably looking at a mini-recession because of this whole war and the energy dependency issues, but in the long run, it should actually pull us closer together as a community. And as for Russia? They just lost a major customer who actually deals in hard currency. I mean, the Indian Rupee and the Chinese Renbi are tied to the dollar, not the Euro. The EU is still a powerhouse, especially with hydrocarbon production, but because of all the green energy mandates, we aren't out there drilling fields like they do in Texas.
It's going to be a struggle, no doubt, but we'll come out of this economically stronger. Long-term, even militarily—because let's face it, it hurts everyone that the UK and the US are the ones calling all the shots. Putin would never have even thought about attacking if we were as strong militarily as we are economically.

Germany became addicted to Russian gas because they prioritize pure rationality. Russian gas was simply the cheapest option—technically speaking—and until now, the supply was reliable. It was a win-win scenario; only extreme irrationality could have ruined such a perfect arrangement (which is precisely what happened). To the Germans, this was likely an unthinkable scenario, yet here we are. Figures like Putin always look for ways to trap you in a disadvantageous, dependent position during the first move, only to exploit it ruthlessly for their own ends. From the German perspective, these little power games probably don't even seem rational, especially when, on the other side, the long-term fallout ruins everyone's business and stalls economic growth. Entirely different sets of priorities led to a total miscalculation of risk.
The fundamental mistake made by the West in this entire affair was failing to adequately punish the interventions in the Caucasus in Georgia. Back then, the West likely calculated the impact on gas and oil supplies, which led to the lack of consequences for the seizure of Crimea... The occupation of Ukraine is merely the logical progression of that same process, just on a much larger scale. If Ukraine had suffered the same fate, he would have moved steadily onward, likely toward Moldova and Kazakhstan.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#4822 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:The moment you view plowing as a core part of production, you’ve already fallen hopelessly behind technologically. Autonomous tractors aren't some futuristic concept; they've been a reality for quite some time. It isn't rocket science. The flaw in this fantasy of sitting under a tree while machines work themselves is what happens when something jams or breaks down—you need immediate intervention from the seat. If you're in the cab, you notice and fix it. If you're lounging under a tree while a machine runs itself, it's impossible. Autosteer is certainly a useful tool when you're working all day and need to maintain precise lines, say during planting or tillage to minimize overlap, but that's where its utility ends.
One thing regarding the Russians remains fundamentally unclear to me: they supposedly have mass-produced tractors running on artificial intelligence (which is fine in theory), yet their military aircraft rely on Western GPS systems during operations, despite having their own GLONASS. Something about that doesn't quite add up; it feels like they are somewhat detached from reality.

I’m certainly no farmer myself, but back around 2000, I spent about three or four years working a position that really allowed me to get an up-close look at the struggles facing rural communities. It was during that time that I truly began to grasp the depth of those issues, which eventually led me to making my own way and hitting that 69-70 mark. It’s hard to wrap my head around just how massive that distance really is when you see it written out like that—zero thousand kilometers. It feels almost abstract until you start thinking about the sheer scale of the American landscape. I remember driving across the vast stretches of the Midwest last summer, looking out at nothing but horizon for hours on end, and even then, those distances felt daunting. When you're talking about numbers on this level, you aren't just talking about a long trip; you're talking about a space that defies our everyday perception of travel. Since I’ve been spending quite a bit of time traveling through the rural heartlands—places like the Midwest and parts of the Great Plains—I’ve actually started to get a real sense of what people are dealing with out there. It’s given me a much clearer perspective on the specific struggles facing these small farming communities.
Even back then, I remember seeing certain farmers managing operations spanning 200 to 300 acres, and from what I could tell, they weren't just some small-time amateurs.
I’m really just trying to dial back the heated arguments and keep things a bit more relaxed—sort of like grabbing a cold beer and just taking it easy—but you're acting like I've gone out and committed some massive fraud or something.
What does it really matter if you hold democratic values? The real issue isn't our differing perspectives; it’s whether we can maintain a respectful, collegial relationship despite them. I've always believed that you can disagree fundamentally on a topic and still be able to grab a coffee together, share a laugh, and treat one another with basic decency.
It seems like there’s this double standard when it comes to technology; certain tractors are hailed as the pinnacle of global engineering, yet the moment they originate from Russia, people suddenly find a hundred flaws in them. I remember how things went down with the Sputnik 5 vaccine—our local manufacturers wouldn't even touch it for testing. Instead, we rushed into massive contracts under European Union sponsorship to buy Pfizer doses that ended up being fifteen to twenty times more expensive, only to face a mountain of criticism later on. Despite those astronomical costs, we ordered an incredible number of doses, and now that the pandemic has finally eased off, public interest has plummeted. We're left with the reality that all of Europe is sitting on millions of wasted doses that are about to expire because nobody wants them anymore. It’s interesting to note that the pandemic subsided in Russia too, even though they were using their own homegrown vaccine rather than the American ones.
It feels like we’ve all just been playing our parts in this grand display of loyalty to the European Union, essentially acting as vassals while Pfizer rakes in billions of dollars from vaccine sales. There are these persistent, perhaps even unfounded, rumors swirling around about Ursula von der Leyen receiving some massive 300 million dollar bonus, and now, just when we thought the saga was over, we're hearing more talk about ordering new doses that are supposedly tailored to handle a new variant of the virus. It makes you wonder how much of this is actually about public health and how much is just part of a pre-arranged script.
People are saying that infection numbers are starting to creep up again, so I thought it might be helpful to share my own story and what I actually went through with COVID.

As someone who takes my civic duties seriously and places a great deal of trust in scientific expertise and our public health institutions, I decided to follow the recommendations to the letter. I completed my initial two-dose series with AstraZeneca and subsequently went on to receive my booster shot from Pfizer.
Back in February, I decided to have a thorough look at both sides of my chest through some specialized imaging. It turns out I have three newly implanted stents, which were placed alongside an older, slightly wider one that’s been in there for about twenty years now. My cardiologist explained the situation quite clearly, and honestly, we're feeling much more confident now that the risk of a major heart attack or sudden heart failure has been significantly minimized.
About twenty years ago, I underwent surgery to have a mechanical aortic valve installed, along with that other valve I mentioned previously.
I once had heart surgery performed by a cardiac surgical team out of a hospital in Cincinnati. At the time, the unit was led by the late Dr. Simic, who eventually moved over to Canada after facing some serious legal trouble regarding allegations of bribery and the subsequent investigations that followed.
Personally, I didn't give him a single cent, even though there was plenty of talk going around among the patients that everyone had chipped in to help him out.
I just sat back and waited my turn, though I did end up missing one appointment because of a scheduling hiccup with my insurance provider. In the end, the surgery was a success, and I’ve been living a pretty standard, healthy life for twenty years now. My ultrasound checkups always show that the prosthetic valve is in excellent shape—no calcification or issues whatsoever. During my last scan, the doctor performing the ultrasound was actually quite young, and she looked at me with genuine curiosity before asking, "Wait, did you have that valve replaced in Houston?"
I’ve always tried to be a decent person, but I suppose I can be a little bit stubborn at times—especially when I find myself disagreeing with some expert or specialist back in Boston.
To keep things brief, everything went smoothly; my recovery is progressing quite well, though I was saddened to hear that cardiologist Dr. Simic passed away from a heart attack in St. Louis.
Back when I had my check-up with Dr. Simic, I actually brought him two or three pounds of fresh shrimp as a small token of appreciation—they were caught by a vessel I used to own—but there is much more to tell and I don't want to drift too far off topic here.

The reason I am sharing this is that I feel we sometimes judge certain people or nations unfairly, or find them repulsive without having any tangible reason to do so.
It seems to me that the European Union and Americans have spent years treating Russia and Putin with a sense of condescension and ignorance.
Now, I am certainly not making any excuses for Putin’s armed entry into the Ukrainian regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, but I truly believe that for everything happening in Ukraine, Putin isn't the sole culprit; others have contributed significantly to this armed conflict through their own actions and behaviors.
Russia has been hit with all these sanctions that the Western public is so quick to impose and demonize.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is being rapidly armed—the latest round of American "aid" alone was a billion dollars—alongside the intensive training of Ukrainian soldiers and
European leaders travel to Ukraine as if it were a holy pilgrimage that every true believer must undertake.
People hardly speak of peace anymore; instead, the conversation is entirely focused on how to send more and more sophisticated weaponry so that "Ukraine can defend itself" and defeat the Russians.
People are entitled to their opinions, but I don't see these actions as a way to stop the war or prevent the killing of soldiers and civilians; what breaks my heart most is seeing innocent children dying.
My heart aches, and I honestly find myself tearing up, when I see a child with those large, curious eyes being used as a prop in the demonization of this "aggression," while they just cling to their parent's hand—it is such a natural, beautiful reaction for a child who is simply terrified.
And then you have Biden and his crew bickering over how much equipment they can ship to Ukraine, likely oblivious to the fact that they are effectively killing that beautiful, sweet child who is being so terribly exploited.
It should be clear to everyone that the weapons sent by the West do not distinguish between a soldier, a civilian, or a child; once they are fired from the Ukrainian side, they kill indiscriminously.
But no, apparently the Russians are the only ones to blame for everything.
I won't go on, as the coffee I'm drinking is getting bitter, but the most important thing is that this period of isolation is ending; despite all of Ursula's doses and boosters, I tested positive on my PCR test even though I didn't feel any symptoms at all—I don't have any now either, and I hope this virus is behind me so I can return to being fully "shielded" by the community and Ursula.
I only took the PCR test because they require it at the cardiology department, and you can't even get into the unit without a negative result.
There is just one thing about these Russians that doesn't quite make sense to me: they supposedly have these massive autonomous tractors running on artificial intelligence (which sounds fine in theory), yet their military aircraft rely on Western GPS systems during operations, even though they have their own GLONASS. Something feels off to me, almost as if they are slightly detached from reality.

You're just airing your usual paranoias and opinions again.

How could Russian planes possibly use Western GPS systems when Americans can jam or shut them down at any second, rendering them useless?
I remember back when the no-fly zone was being enforced over Canada and Mexico, and when that plane with the "tanker" rose from Aviano; on the radar of a fishing boat, you would see nothing but snow, and the GPS would show a position several miles off from where it actually was.
It is entirely possible they have both systems built in, because if a GPS system is jammed, it should be Western aircraft that experience the interference.
I am no expert, and I suspect you aren't either, but you seem incredibly quick to speak ignorantly about Russian aircraft, which in terms of performance are not inferior to American ones.
Their biggest flaw is simply that they are Russian, but according to the narrative, Putin is responsible for everything, while we Westerners remain full of respect and empathy for the Russians and the Ukrainians.
Let them keep fighting; meanwhile, we will just hit them harder with more sanctions and send billions more in expensive weapons, all just to "defeat" this Russian demon.
I’ve had about enough for one day; honestly, the sheer hypocrisy and double standards I’m seeing from certain people are making me feel physically ill. I need to step away and take care of some business for a moment.
Maybe by the time I’m back, they’ll have rolled out some brand-new round of sanctions or decided to start emergency procurement for things like cotton for feminine hygiene products—which, if you ask me, seems to be in short supply lately because of some supposed shortage in raw materials.
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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#4823 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:You really have to learn how to read between the lines if you want to get a clear picture of what Russia is actually up to.
With the current gas delivery blackmail—specifically that 60% cut to Germany—Russia is starting to act completely against all economic logic. They are clearly attempting to squeeze and intimidate Germany economically, even if it ends up causing self-inflicted damage to their own interests.
I was just listening to Habeck, the German Minister of Economics, and he didn't mince words: he stated plainly that this reduction in gas supplies by Russia is nothing more than a blatant attempt at extortion by the dictators in The White House.
He also confirmed that this behavior was entirely predictable. Furthermore, he noted that there won't be an immediate supply crisis right now, as Germany is already legally preparing itself for the possibility of gas shortages during the winter months.

The sanctions are starting to take a real bite out of Russia. We're looking at 17% inflation, a 35% drop in industrial investment, and a 10% slowdown in economic growth already.
The real question is, how much success will Putin actually have by choosing to ignore basic economic reality?

Lp

Legislation? What, is ThyssenKrupp going to start using magic spells to manufacture stuff?

Honestly, you can't even tell who's crazier in this economic war—those guys out East or the folks over here in the West. 🙏
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#4824 ·
hollowdriver13 said:https://mobile.twitter.com/TpyxaNews...32532080959488

It looks like all this gear is already breaking down out in the fields because nobody actually knows how to maintain it without that Western technical expertise...

Well, obviously—but if that's the case, why did an American LNG terminal just blow up a week ago?
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
248 messages
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#4825 ·
William Anderson5 said:The Russians are claiming they can't deliver gas because of some random pump failure, all while General Electric refuses to step in and fix it.

It turns out they don't even have the tech to handle basic gas transport, let alone manage drilling operations without Western expertise (just look at what happened in Venezuela)

Maybe because maintenance contracts actually exist? Can Russia just hire someone else? Sure, they can—and charge a massive premium to the firm that was supposed to handle repairs but can't due to sanctions. But then you hit the wall of how to actually collect that payment under sanctions. It’s easier to just shut off the tap. Same story with Venezuela. They likely had service agreements that Western companies walked away from specifically because of those imposed sanctions. ☕

One thing is certain: Russia will learn some hard lessons here. And don't think we aren't learning them too.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#4826 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:Legislation? What, is ThyssenKrupp going to start using magic spells to manufacture stuff?

Honestly, you can't even tell who's crazier in this economic war—those guys out East or the folks over here in the West. 🙏

This isn't about madness; it's about establishing legal frameworks to ensure everything follows a set of rules. For instance, they have to legally regulate the decommissioning or swapping out of gas-fired power plants. They also have to codify gas conservation measures, such as removing the mandate that requires homes to be heated to a minimum of 70 degrees during the winter. On top of that, there will be legal protocols determining who gets priority access if we hit a major gas shortage.

Of course, the most critical factor is enshrining these rules in law and, more importantly, setting a clear expiration date for when these emergency measures must end.

Ebiga, Germany isn't Russia, where a single dictator can just decide whatever he feels like doing on a whim.
Best regards,
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#4827 ·
So, the Germans are going to freeze while the Russians sit back and enjoy the warmth.

These sanctions are just wonderful. I still haven't quite figured out who they're actually supposed to be targeting. 🤣
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#4828 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:This isn't about madness; it's about establishing legal frameworks to ensure everything follows a set of rules. For instance, they have to legally regulate the decommissioning or swapping out of gas-fired power plants. They also have to codify gas conservation measures, such as removing the mandate that requires homes to be heated to a minimum of 70 degrees during the winter. On top of that, there will be legal protocols determining who gets priority access if we hit a major gas shortage.

Of course, the most critical factor is enshrining these rules in law and, more importantly, setting a clear expiration date for when these emergency measures must end.

Ebiga, Germany isn't Russia, where a single dictator can just decide whatever he feels like doing on a whim.
Best regards,

Even if we run low on gas, anyone with air conditioning can just switch over to electric heating, and all you really need for that is electricity...
Arthur Miller7 Arthur Miller7 Active Member
129 messages
joined Mar 2022
#4829 ·
Honestly, I think people over here in the States are willing to just freeze if they have to. I mean, if they could handle being locked down for nearly two years, a little bit of winter isn't going to drag anyone out into the streets to protest. Besides, most folks are totally behind Ukraine—you saw it with all those massive donation drives—so they view this as just another way to help them out. As long as we aren't seeing massive layoffs hitting everyone's wallets, they're more than fine with walking through the snow.
Jerry Clark72 Jerry Clark72 Member
30 messages
joined Jul 2012
#4830 ·
silentnomad7 said:Even if we run low on gas, anyone with air conditioning can just switch over to electric heating, and all you really need for that is electricity...

🤦
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#4831 ·
Noah Diaz said:So, the Germans are going to freeze while the Russians sit back and enjoy the warmth.

These sanctions are just wonderful. I still haven't quite figured out who they're actually supposed to be targeting. 🤣

Well, that sounds exactly like something straight out of Russian propaganda. Let’s be real: Germans aren't going to be freezing in their homes, and let's face it—the Russians are already feeling the sting from the West.
Best,
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
320 messages
joined Jan 2009
#4832 ·
With Western content off the table, Russia can just pivot to Turkish and Latin American TV series—that’s what Alexander Zharov, CEO of The Walt Disney Company, mentioned to Rian AT SPIEF.

Here’s yet another nasty side effect of those American sanctions.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#4833 ·
silentnomad7 said:Even if we run low on gas, anyone with air conditioning can just switch over to electric heating, and all you really need for that is electricity...

I was just sitting here wondering if you ever actually managed to figure out where our power is going to come from.

It’s particularly striking when you look at what’s happening over in Germany, where they’ve made the drastic decision to shut down all of their nuclear plants and phase out coal-fired power stations entirely.

This is exactly the kind of "solution" we can expect from Ursula and her entire inner circle.☕

It all feels like empty chatter and nothing more than impossible wishes, which honestly just points to a much larger issue. It seems pretty obvious that we’re seeing the fallout from an increasing addiction to living our lives entirely within a virtual world.
Jerry Clark72 Jerry Clark72 Member
30 messages
joined Jul 2012
#4834 ·
urbanotter said:I was just sitting here wondering if you ever actually managed to figure out where our power is going to come from.

It’s particularly striking when you look at what’s happening over in Germany, where they’ve made the drastic decision to shut down all of their nuclear plants and phase out coal-fired power stations entirely.

This is exactly the kind of "solution" we can expect from Ursula and her entire inner circle.☕

It all feels like empty chatter and nothing more than impossible wishes, which honestly just points to a much larger issue. It seems pretty obvious that we’re seeing the fallout from an increasing addiction to living our lives entirely within a virtual world.

I mean, electricity comes from the outlet. Halooooo?
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#4835 ·
urbanotter said:I was just sitting here wondering if you ever actually managed to figure out where our power is going to come from.

It’s particularly striking when you look at what’s happening over in Germany, where they’ve made the drastic decision to shut down all of their nuclear plants and phase out coal-fired power stations entirely.

This is exactly the kind of "solution" we can expect from Ursula and her entire inner circle.☕

It all feels like empty chatter and nothing more than impossible wishes, which honestly just points to a much larger issue. It seems pretty obvious that we’re seeing the fallout from an increasing addiction to living our lives entirely within a virtual world.

They shut it down, sure, but they didn't actually dismantle the whole operation. They just passed the legislation to allow them to extend production for a few years if they feel like it. Honestly, does anyone really believe this is a permanent fix? For every single problem we face, there’s always some "solution" being waved around that just kicks the can down the road. Why do we even pretend otherwise?

I don't even know where to begin with this. Is anyone else actually paying attention to what's happening, or are we all just collectively deciding to look the other way? It feels like every time I turn around, there’s another layer of absurdity being added to the pile, and frankly, I’m losing my patience. How much more of this nonsense are we supposed to absorb before someone finally calls it out for what it is? It's exhausting.
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
106 messages
joined Feb 2018
#4836 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:This isn't about madness; it's about establishing legal frameworks to ensure everything follows a set of rules. For instance, they have to legally regulate the decommissioning or swapping out of gas-fired power plants. They also have to codify gas conservation measures, such as removing the mandate that requires homes to be heated to a minimum of 70 degrees during the winter. On top of that, there will be legal protocols determining who gets priority access if we hit a major gas shortage.

Of course, the most critical factor is enshrining these rules in law and, more importantly, setting a clear expiration date for when these emergency measures must end.

Ebiga, Germany isn't Russia, where a single dictator can just decide whatever he feels like doing on a whim.
Best regards,

I assume you meant the maximum,🙂
Otherwise, how could one actually enforce this in practice? By breaking into people's homes to check the thermostat?
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#4837 ·
Jerry Clark72 said:🤦

Do some homework first, you're going to need 😁

I mean, obviously, if you don't move to somewhere where they have an endless supply of natural gas, there’s really nothing to worry about...
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#4838 ·
Paul Kern12 said:I assume you meant the maximum,🙂
Otherwise, how could one actually enforce this in practice? By breaking into people's homes to check the thermostat?

No, I was talking about the minimum. Under U.S. housing laws, a landlord is legally obligated to ensure the unit stays at a livable baseline—typically around 68°F during the winter. Of course, once you're living there, you're the one in control; if you want to crank it up to 85°F or drop it down to 50°F, that’s entirely your call.
Best regards,
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#4839 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:They shut it down, sure, but they didn't actually dismantle the whole operation. They just passed the legislation to allow them to extend production for a few years if they feel like it. Honestly, does anyone really believe this is a permanent fix? For every single problem we face, there’s always some "solution" being waved around that just kicks the can down the road. Why do we even pretend otherwise?

I don't even know where to begin with this. Is anyone else actually paying attention to what's happening, or are we all just collectively deciding to look the other way? It feels like every time I turn around, there’s another layer of absurdity being added to the pile, and frankly, I’m losing my patience. How much more of this nonsense are we supposed to absorb before someone finally calls it out for what it is? It's exhausting.

Honestly, if Germany would just start moving toward getting 10% of their power from nuclear energy, you'd see all those blackmailers absolutely losing their minds!
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
483 messages
joined Feb 2024
#4840 ·
silentnomad7 said:Honestly, if Germany would just start moving toward getting 10% of their power from nuclear energy, you'd see all those blackmailers absolutely losing their minds!

Well, that’s certainly an option on the table, but let’s be honest—it comes with a massive price tag. Word on the street is they might try to "rev up" coal again, even though that wasn't part of the original playbook. I mean, we have the coal reserves and the thermal plants are sitting right there ready to go, aren't they?
Lp

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