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Adam Lee13 Adam Lee13 Active Member
105 messages
joined Nov 2022
#7281 ·
rustywalker82 said:Look, man, just look at the facts. Electricity prices in France and Germany shot up like ten times what they were when those contracts were signed just a year ago. It was absolutely brutal. Honestly, I don't get how you can root for ExxonMobil keeping those valves shut. They’re literally just following the contracts they signed. Don't you realize that if they actually opened up the supply, market prices would tank? They aren't going to do anything that cuts into their profits.

When I was talking about future headaches and how anti-EU parties might gain momentum, I wasn't talking about people who are obsessed with Russia. Take the UK, for example. They pulled the plug on the EU, and I definitely wouldn't go as far as saying they've become pro-Russian because of it.

Honestly, this is just pure market manipulation, and for some reason, the European Union refuses to step in and slap a price cap on it... I mean, come on, electricity prices spiked ten times over. Especially those folks in France, they’ve got plenty of "excuses" to jack up the rates, haha... And in Germany, renewables supposedly cover 50% of the load, but two-thirds of those renewable setups are locked into fixed-price contracts...

The whole thing feels like a massive shell game played on the common folk, basically forcing households and big industry to scramble for solar installs and obsess over energy efficiency. The European Union actually has the tools to cap prices for electricity and gas, so why allow this kind of shady market gambling and exchange trading to run wild during a crisis and a war? It makes zero sense.

Do you really think OPEC is just going to sit there and watch this unfold calmly? With how Russia is messing with their short-term goals by wrecking the future of fossil fuels. For the major oil and gas exporters, these sky-high prices aren't exactly helping their bottom line—they definitely don't want to accelerate the transition to other energy sources, but this situation is pushing that shift incredibly hard... from what I can gather, converting gas plants to run on fuel oil or something similar is actually pretty straightforward...

Besides, China is paying about $148 for 1,000 cubic meters of Russian gas—it’s basically a take-it-or-leave-it deal. So, if China can do it, why can't the European Union dictate terms to Russia? They could, but they won't... it seems like they're actually benefiting from this mess. I refuse to believe our leaders are just total idiots.

And all this nonsense with central heating and gas warming throughout the European Union needs to stop. In the winter, you close the windows. Your apartment doesn't need to be 75 degrees just so you can walk around in a t-shirt in early March, and nobody should be blasting the heat from 11 PM to 6 AM.
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
203 messages
joined Feb 2013
#7282 ·
Look, if the gas runs out, it runs out. Same goes for electricity. You can't just pretend the system is still running perfectly when the supply isn't there.
I’m not saying we should cheer for a shortage; I’m saying we should be rooting for Putin to lose money. That’s really all I was getting at in my previous comment.
Adam Lee13 Adam Lee13 Active Member
105 messages
joined Nov 2022
#7283 ·
rustywalker82 said:Look, if the gas runs out, it runs out. Same goes for electricity. You can't just pretend the system is still running perfectly when the supply isn't there.
I’m not saying we should cheer for a shortage; I’m saying we should be rooting for Putin to lose money. That’s really all I was getting at in my previous comment.

The thing is, we actually *do* have gas and power... it’s just a mess. These crazy prices? That’s on the idiots who refused to build out LNG terminals because they were clearly acting like Russian mercenaries, much like Merkel did back in the day. And let's not forget, the biggest gas consumers are all over the European Union.

But honestly, I think governments should be stepping in to cap gas and electricity prices rather than letting these middlemen play games. When a crisis hits, everyone needs to shoulder the burden—including those energy traders. There shouldn't be any room for massive profit margins during a crisis, let alone those insane extra windfalls they're pulling right now.
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
265 messages
joined Apr 2022
#7284 ·
Adam Lee13 said:Honestly, this is just pure market manipulation, and for some reason, the European Union refuses to step in and slap a price cap on it... I mean, come on, electricity prices spiked ten times over. Especially those folks in France, they’ve got plenty of "excuses" to jack up the rates, haha... And in Germany, renewables supposedly cover 50% of the load, but two-thirds of those renewable setups are locked into fixed-price contracts...

The whole thing feels like a massive shell game played on the common folk, basically forcing households and big industry to scramble for solar installs and obsess over energy efficiency. The European Union actually has the tools to cap prices for electricity and gas, so why allow this kind of shady market gambling and exchange trading to run wild during a crisis and a war? It makes zero sense.

Do you really think OPEC is just going to sit there and watch this unfold calmly? With how Russia is messing with their short-term goals by wrecking the future of fossil fuels. For the major oil and gas exporters, these sky-high prices aren't exactly helping their bottom line—they definitely don't want to accelerate the transition to other energy sources, but this situation is pushing that shift incredibly hard... from what I can gather, converting gas plants to run on fuel oil or something similar is actually pretty straightforward...

Besides, China is paying about $148 for 1,000 cubic meters of Russian gas—it’s basically a take-it-or-leave-it deal. So, if China can do it, why can't the European Union dictate terms to Russia? They could, but they won't... it seems like they're actually benefiting from this mess. I refuse to believe our leaders are just total idiots.

And all this nonsense with central heating and gas warming throughout the European Union needs to stop. In the winter, you close the windows. Your apartment doesn't need to be 75 degrees just so you can walk around in a t-shirt in early March, and nobody should be blasting the heat from 11 PM to 6 AM.

There's some high-level maneuvering happening here that most of us just don't get.
History shows no country really makes it big without access to the dollar—the USA is essentially the conductor of the global economy.
If the West hits a recession, it’s a domino effect; China is going down with them, period.
The invasion of Ukraine was the opening act, the sanctions are the plot thickening, and while we haven't seen the finale yet, I'm betting the West knows exactly where this is headed.
Adam Lee13 Adam Lee13 Active Member
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#7285 ·
Nathan Thomas12 said:There's some high-level maneuvering happening here that most of us just don't get.
History shows no country really makes it big without access to the dollar—the USA is essentially the conductor of the global economy.
If the West hits a recession, it’s a domino effect; China is going down with them, period.
The invasion of Ukraine was the opening act, the sanctions are the plot thickening, and while we haven't seen the finale yet, I'm betting the West knows exactly where this is headed.

The real kicker is that Central and Eastern Europe doesn't have enough LNG terminals—they've got some tiny little setup, but nothing major—so whenever the Russians decide to twist the valve, these guys are left high and dry. They’ve got the money to buy gas, sure, but they physically can't get it to their people because the infrastructure just isn't there.😁

That’s why Viktor Orbán acts like Putin's little errand boy; he’s stuck in one of the absolute worst positions within the European Union.

On top of that, there was this mandate that gas storage has to be filled up to 90% regardless of how much it costs, which is just asking for trouble. Otherwise, the Russians just end up burning the gas they don't send to the European Union since they've got nowhere else to put it, considering how limited exports to third countries actually are.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#7286 ·
rustywalker82 As stated by:
I have no idea how much cheaper they actually are compared to Western bids. All I know is that I’ve read enough expert commentary to suggest that all those layers of certification and red tape have effectively stripped nuclear power of its competitive edge. If you look at the consumption data by energy source, it’s clear nobody has been building any of these plants lately. Some news outlets are claiming that the Canadian government managed to secure approval from the European Union back in the day—though, let's be honest, the existing reactors over there were Russian-made anyway. It seems like the Finnish and Bulgarians have walked away from their planned nuclear deals, which probably just leaves the Russians sitting on a massive surplus of parts.

It’s all the same tired story when you look at the energy sector. You cut out Russian gas, uranium, and oil, and what happens? You end up with a slightly smaller supply from foreign sources, only to see prices skyrocket by tens of percent across the entire market rather than just a few percentage points. Then comes the inflation. In the end, the Russians come out ahead regardless.

A ovo:

It remains an enigma: who actually stands to gain from turning off the gas valves to Europe? Is it Putin, or is it the European Union itself?
Regardless of the circumstances, how exactly does one go about suing ExxonMobil for failing to meet their delivery obligations now?

The sheer cost of certification is what keeps nuclear technology from being competitive with other energy sources. It’s a Catch-22. On one hand, these regulatory requirements drive up manufacturing costs to astronomical levels. On the other hand, you can't exactly cut corners. If we left everything entirely to the free market, we might actually witness the collapse of civilization before the industry even learns how to function properly—since, at the end of the day, their primary driver is profit, and any catastrophic failure would be so massive that insurance companies wouldn't even be able to cover the fallout. Yet, all this rigorous certification still doesn't offer a 100% guarantee against disaster. Just look at the Fukushima incident; that plant was certified and technically sound, yet it still suffered a meltdown. Nuclear technology functions much like aviation: it’s an industry that learns through trial and error. The only difference here is that in this sector, the price tag for a mistake is significantly higher.
Make the certification process just a little more bureaucratic, and suddenly nuclear power becomes prohibitively expensive. At that exact moment, every other alternative starts looking like a much better deal on paper. We’ll reach an energy transition through red tape long before we ever get there via subsidies. It’s a political maneuver, plain and simple, masquerading as economics.
Energy behaves much like basic commodities—take staple foods, for instance. When there is a surplus, prices drop by dozens of percentage points; when there is a shortage, they skyrocket by a hundred percent or more. The fundamental flaw here is that electricity cannot be stored easily. If you have an excess, you are forced to sell it off immediately just to get rid of it, which causes prices to crater. Conversely, if the grid faces a deficit, you are essentially stuck. You can only pull from the producers currently connected to the network, and that capacity is finite. In a perfect theoretical model, high electricity prices would simply trigger the activation of backup plants—older, less efficient facilities designed to kick in during peak demand. However, modern reality has changed the math. Once you factor in stringent environmental regulations and emission mandates, those older, reliable workhorses become illegal to run. We have effectively stripped ourselves of our safety net, leaving us with nothing but sudden, violent price spikes. That is precisely the crisis we are witnessing right now.
What we’re witnessing here is essentially a collision between two irreconcilable ideologies: the old guard of fossil fuels versus the emerging "green" agenda. The proponents of renewable energy have set incredibly ambitious targets—particularly in developed nations—yet we remain tethered to traditional energy sources because we are stuck in a messy transition phase. It isn't a clean break; it's a struggle. On one side, you have the established fossil fuel lobby, an entity so entrenched and powerful that they won't surrender their dominance without a fight. We aren't just talking about influence; we are talking about astronomical sums of money and massive profit margins concentrated in the hands of a very small elite. There is even a possibility that these giants are attempting to manipulate political decision-making, hoping to stall the inevitable and prevent any real shift away from fossil fuel technology.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#7287 ·
rustywalker82 said:Look, man, just look at the facts. Electricity prices in France and Germany shot up like ten times what they were when those contracts were signed just a year ago. It was absolutely brutal. Honestly, I don't get how you can root for ExxonMobil keeping those valves shut. They’re literally just following the contracts they signed. Don't you realize that if they actually opened up the supply, market prices would tank? They aren't going to do anything that cuts into their profits.

When I was talking about future headaches and how anti-EU parties might gain momentum, I wasn't talking about people who are obsessed with Russia. Take the UK, for example. They pulled the plug on the EU, and I definitely wouldn't go as far as saying they've become pro-Russian because of it.

If they were to open the valves, ExxonMobil likely wouldn't see a massive surge in immediate profits, but they would preserve—or rather, build—their reputation as a reliable supplier, regardless of the politics. Once you destroy that reputation, consumers inevitably pivot toward other suppliers or entirely different technologies. That's how you lose a market forever. Up until now, they have been meticulously constructing their status as the primary provider for Germany. By compromising supply security—which, let's be honest, is a purely political maneuver—they are irreversibly dismantling everything they've invested in. Reputation carries weight. Russia existed long before Putin and will exist long after him; the history of a nation doesn't begin and end with a single individual. History rarely treats states built around cults of personality very kindly.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#7288 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:If they were to open the valves, ExxonMobil likely wouldn't see a massive surge in immediate profits, but they would preserve—or rather, build—their reputation as a reliable supplier, regardless of the politics. Once you destroy that reputation, consumers inevitably pivot toward other suppliers or entirely different technologies. That's how you lose a market forever. Up until now, they have been meticulously constructing their status as the primary provider for Germany. By compromising supply security—which, let's be honest, is a purely political maneuver—they are irreversibly dismantling everything they've invested in. Reputation carries weight. Russia existed long before Putin and will exist long after him; the history of a nation doesn't begin and end with a single individual. History rarely treats states built around cults of personality very kindly.

And you're just out here spinning fairy tales, too.

I honestly don't think ExxonMobil ever had any intention of actually turning off the valves or using gas supplies as a way to hold Europe hostage. If anything, the reality was quite the opposite; they were pouring massive amounts of capital into building out Nord Stream 2, a project that was designed to fully secure a steady flow of gas for decades to come.
If Europe actually had a steady, reliable flow of natural gas, market prices wouldn't have any real reason to spike like they have been. The whole issue is that demand isn't necessarily skyrocketing because people need more energy than ever before; it's just that we aren't getting enough from our existing sources to meet what we already use. I remember sitting around my kitchen table a few years ago, watching the news during a different energy crunch, and thinking how much simpler things would be if we just had the supply lines working the way they were designed to. If the supply was consistent and sufficient, there wouldn't be this artificial pressure driving everything up. It really comes down to simple availability rather than an actual surge in consumption.
Look, even though that pipeline is essentially finished and sitting there at 80% capacity, it’s just staying dormant because of a political decision. It feels like this was driven largely by pressure from the US, which basically sold Europe on this whole narrative about being dangerously over-reliant on Russian gas. In reality, they aren't turning it on because if they did, it would completely undermine the need for all those other gas supply routes we've been working to establish.
The whole conversation surrounding "green energy" and the push to swap out natural gas for alternative power sources feels like it’s perpetually stuck in the planning stages. It isn't just a matter of flipping a switch; transitioning our entire infrastructure requires an astronomical amount of capital and decades of dedicated development to ensure these new sources can actually meet our massive energy demands. I remember sitting through a town hall meeting back in my hometown in Ohio a few years ago where they discussed similar shifts, and the sheer scale of the logistical nightmare became very clear. Beyond the cost, we have to face the reality that in several current industrial technologies, natural gas remains absolutely indispensable. We can't just wish away a resource that serves as the backbone for so much of our modern production.
I've been sitting here wondering about the actual mechanics of how we transition to a green grid while keeping our food supply secure. It really makes me think about the logistical leap we’re trying to make. Specifically, I'm curious about how we intend to produce synthetic fertilizers using only solar and wind power. We know that modern agriculture relies heavily on those fertilizers to maintain high yields and keep grocery prices from spiraling out of control for the average family. If we move away from traditional energy sources, how exactly do we scale up the production of these essential nutrients through renewables? It feels like a massive technical puzzle that we haven't quite solved yet if we want to ensure food remains both abundant and affordable.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about our energy landscape lately, and honestly, it feels like we're facing an uphill battle that won't be solved by trendy tech alone. When you look at the reality of the situation, the United States—much like much of Europe—is fundamentally short on the raw materials and energy density required to sustain a massive industrial economy. We are essentially tethered to global imports, and that dependency isn't something that just disappears overnight. I remember reading an analysis a few years back about how supply chains can shift almost instantly, leaving entire regions vulnerable, and it really stuck with me. While everyone loves talking about the potential of solar panels and wind turbines, I find myself feeling a bit skeptical about the idea that they can carry the entire load. No matter how much we invest in renewables, we can't simply wish away our need for consistent, high-output power sources. Without addressing the fundamental lack of domestic resources, we'll always be reliant on someone else's terms, and all the wind farms in the world might not be enough to break that cycle.
We’re certainly moving away from that heavy reliance on Russian gas, which feels like a necessary step, but I can't help but feel we're just trading one problem for another. The reality is that we're shifting our dependency toward Liquefied Natural Gas, yet we simply don't have the infrastructure in place to handle it. We lack the necessary capacity for both the liquefaction process and the massive scale of transport required to make this work reliably. It's one of those situations where the solution looks great on paper, but when you look at the actual logistics, it feels like we might be heading straight into another kind of energy bottleneck.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the current shift toward regasified LNG, and honestly, it feels like we might be walking into a bit of a trap. When you look at the math, buying liquefied gas is consistently more expensive than relying on traditional pipeline transport. As we lean more heavily into this pricier fuel, our domestic manufacturers are forced to bake those soaring energy costs directly into the price of everything they produce. It creates this worrying trend where our businesses start losing their edge, becoming increasingly uncompetitive compared to economies that still have access to massive, steady supplies of cheaper gas. It makes me wonder if we're trading long-term industrial stability for short-term energy shifts.
It isn’t just the cost of heating and fuel that's climbing; we’re seeing grocery prices skyrocket too, which honestly hits families much harder on a day-to-day basis. I remember talking to a neighbor last week who was staring at her receipt in total disbelief—it’s one thing to pay more at the pump, but when the basic stuff you need to feed your kids starts costing twice as much, that’s when the real pressure sets in for most Americans.
I’ve noticed that some specific products shot up in price by as much as 100% just on the mere rumor of a shortage, even though we never actually faced a real scarcity. It reminds me of that time back when my local grocery store in Chicago started hiking prices on certain pantry staples just because people were whispering about supply chain hiccups, despite the shelves remaining fully stocked. It feels like we saw these massive price spikes driven entirely by anticipation rather than any actual lack of inventory.
It feels like we’re watching a massive geopolitical pivot happen in real-time. Russia isn't just looking toward the East anymore; they are doubling down on that direction with everything they have. It’s not just about those massive pipeline projects stretching out toward China, either. They are aggressively building up their own LNG regasification capacities to make sure they can ship energy wherever the demand shifts. It’s a calculated, long-term move to reshape their entire economic landscape.
Japan just finalized an agreement to purchase liquefied natural gas from Sakhalin, and at the same time, China is moving full steam ahead with expanding its pipeline network to feed the southern regions. It looks like they are really leaning into making cheaper gas more accessible across the country, which should significantly boost their overall consumption. I remember reading a similar analysis about energy shifts in the Pacific years ago, and seeing how quickly these massive infrastructure projects come together always strikes me as a testament to how much the global energy landscape is shifting right under our feet.
Once the second phase of the Power of Siberia pipeline is finally completed, China will have a much steadier supply of natural gas right at its doorstep. This shift means they won't have to rely nearly as much on importing expensive liquefied natural gas, which is going to give their domestic economy a serious competitive edge on the global stage. I remember reading a few years back about how much energy volatility can cripple manufacturing sectors, and seeing this kind of infrastructure move really makes you realize how much they are positioning themselves for long-term stability.

The tension between China and the US seems to be reaching a boiling point lately, and I can't help but worry about where this is all heading. If things really boil over there, we could see China and Russia pulling even closer together, leaving the West and Europe essentially stranded. It wouldn't just be an energy crisis—though losing access to gas would be devastating enough—it would be a total technological blackout. We are talking about a massive shortage of semiconductors sourced from Taiwan, China, and South Korea. When you consider that roughly 70% of the world's advanced chips come from those specific regions, the realization hits home: without them, the sophisticated tech we rely on every single day simply ceases to exist. It’s a precarious position to be in, and frankly, it feels like we're walking a very thin line.
It all boils down to one thing: ensuring America maintains its global hegemony, where Western corporations hold the ultimate authority and make every critical decision that matters.

Yet, whenever we try to have a serious discussion focused strictly on economic realities, we’re immediately branded as "Russia-lovers"—it's become this convenient little label used to shut down any meaningful debate.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
2K messages
joined Sep 2009
#7289 ·
urbanotter said:And you're just out here spinning fairy tales, too.

I honestly don't think ExxonMobil ever had any intention of actually turning off the valves or using gas supplies as a way to hold Europe hostage. If anything, the reality was quite the opposite; they were pouring massive amounts of capital into building out Nord Stream 2, a project that was designed to fully secure a steady flow of gas for decades to come.
If Europe actually had a steady, reliable flow of natural gas, market prices wouldn't have any real reason to spike like they have been. The whole issue is that demand isn't necessarily skyrocketing because people need more energy than ever before; it's just that we aren't getting enough from our existing sources to meet what we already use. I remember sitting around my kitchen table a few years ago, watching the news during a different energy crunch, and thinking how much simpler things would be if we just had the supply lines working the way they were designed to. If the supply was consistent and sufficient, there wouldn't be this artificial pressure driving everything up. It really comes down to simple availability rather than an actual surge in consumption.
Look, even though that pipeline is essentially finished and sitting there at 80% capacity, it’s just staying dormant because of a political decision. It feels like this was driven largely by pressure from the US, which basically sold Europe on this whole narrative about being dangerously over-reliant on Russian gas. In reality, they aren't turning it on because if they did, it would completely undermine the need for all those other gas supply routes we've been working to establish.
The whole conversation surrounding "green energy" and the push to swap out natural gas for alternative power sources feels like it’s perpetually stuck in the planning stages. It isn't just a matter of flipping a switch; transitioning our entire infrastructure requires an astronomical amount of capital and decades of dedicated development to ensure these new sources can actually meet our massive energy demands. I remember sitting through a town hall meeting back in my hometown in Ohio a few years ago where they discussed similar shifts, and the sheer scale of the logistical nightmare became very clear. Beyond the cost, we have to face the reality that in several current industrial technologies, natural gas remains absolutely indispensable. We can't just wish away a resource that serves as the backbone for so much of our modern production.
I've been sitting here wondering about the actual mechanics of how we transition to a green grid while keeping our food supply secure. It really makes me think about the logistical leap we’re trying to make. Specifically, I'm curious about how we intend to produce synthetic fertilizers using only solar and wind power. We know that modern agriculture relies heavily on those fertilizers to maintain high yields and keep grocery prices from spiraling out of control for the average family. If we move away from traditional energy sources, how exactly do we scale up the production of these essential nutrients through renewables? It feels like a massive technical puzzle that we haven't quite solved yet if we want to ensure food remains both abundant and affordable.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about our energy landscape lately, and honestly, it feels like we're facing an uphill battle that won't be solved by trendy tech alone. When you look at the reality of the situation, the United States—much like much of Europe—is fundamentally short on the raw materials and energy density required to sustain a massive industrial economy. We are essentially tethered to global imports, and that dependency isn't something that just disappears overnight. I remember reading an analysis a few years back about how supply chains can shift almost instantly, leaving entire regions vulnerable, and it really stuck with me. While everyone loves talking about the potential of solar panels and wind turbines, I find myself feeling a bit skeptical about the idea that they can carry the entire load. No matter how much we invest in renewables, we can't simply wish away our need for consistent, high-output power sources. Without addressing the fundamental lack of domestic resources, we'll always be reliant on someone else's terms, and all the wind farms in the world might not be enough to break that cycle.
We’re certainly moving away from that heavy reliance on Russian gas, which feels like a necessary step, but I can't help but feel we're just trading one problem for another. The reality is that we're shifting our dependency toward Liquefied Natural Gas, yet we simply don't have the infrastructure in place to handle it. We lack the necessary capacity for both the liquefaction process and the massive scale of transport required to make this work reliably. It's one of those situations where the solution looks great on paper, but when you look at the actual logistics, it feels like we might be heading straight into another kind of energy bottleneck.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the current shift toward regasified LNG, and honestly, it feels like we might be walking into a bit of a trap. When you look at the math, buying liquefied gas is consistently more expensive than relying on traditional pipeline transport. As we lean more heavily into this pricier fuel, our domestic manufacturers are forced to bake those soaring energy costs directly into the price of everything they produce. It creates this worrying trend where our businesses start losing their edge, becoming increasingly uncompetitive compared to economies that still have access to massive, steady supplies of cheaper gas. It makes me wonder if we're trading long-term industrial stability for short-term energy shifts.
It isn’t just the cost of heating and fuel that's climbing; we’re seeing grocery prices skyrocket too, which honestly hits families much harder on a day-to-day basis. I remember talking to a neighbor last week who was staring at her receipt in total disbelief—it’s one thing to pay more at the pump, but when the basic stuff you need to feed your kids starts costing twice as much, that’s when the real pressure sets in for most Americans.
I’ve noticed that some specific products shot up in price by as much as 100% just on the mere rumor of a shortage, even though we never actually faced a real scarcity. It reminds me of that time back when my local grocery store in Chicago started hiking prices on certain pantry staples just because people were whispering about supply chain hiccups, despite the shelves remaining fully stocked. It feels like we saw these massive price spikes driven entirely by anticipation rather than any actual lack of inventory.
It feels like we’re watching a massive geopolitical pivot happen in real-time. Russia isn't just looking toward the East anymore; they are doubling down on that direction with everything they have. It’s not just about those massive pipeline projects stretching out toward China, either. They are aggressively building up their own LNG regasification capacities to make sure they can ship energy wherever the demand shifts. It’s a calculated, long-term move to reshape their entire economic landscape.
Japan just finalized an agreement to purchase liquefied natural gas from Sakhalin, and at the same time, China is moving full steam ahead with expanding its pipeline network to feed the southern regions. It looks like they are really leaning into making cheaper gas more accessible across the country, which should significantly boost their overall consumption. I remember reading a similar analysis about energy shifts in the Pacific years ago, and seeing how quickly these massive infrastructure projects come together always strikes me as a testament to how much the global energy landscape is shifting right under our feet.
Once the second phase of the Power of Siberia pipeline is finally completed, China will have a much steadier supply of natural gas right at its doorstep. This shift means they won't have to rely nearly as much on importing expensive liquefied natural gas, which is going to give their domestic economy a serious competitive edge on the global stage. I remember reading a few years back about how much energy volatility can cripple manufacturing sectors, and seeing this kind of infrastructure move really makes you realize how much they are positioning themselves for long-term stability.

The tension between China and the US seems to be reaching a boiling point lately, and I can't help but worry about where this is all heading. If things really boil over there, we could see China and Russia pulling even closer together, leaving the West and Europe essentially stranded. It wouldn't just be an energy crisis—though losing access to gas would be devastating enough—it would be a total technological blackout. We are talking about a massive shortage of semiconductors sourced from Taiwan, China, and South Korea. When you consider that roughly 70% of the world's advanced chips come from those specific regions, the realization hits home: without them, the sophisticated tech we rely on every single day simply ceases to exist. It’s a precarious position to be in, and frankly, it feels like we're walking a very thin line.
It all boils down to one thing: ensuring America maintains its global hegemony, where Western corporations hold the ultimate authority and make every critical decision that matters.

Yet, whenever we try to have a serious discussion focused strictly on economic realities, we’re immediately branded as "Russia-lovers"—it's become this convenient little label used to shut down any meaningful debate.

You claim you're just talking economics, but do you honestly think a country with an economy roughly the size of Spain can actually be a global superpower?
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#7290 ·
urbanotter said:And you're just out here spinning fairy tales, too.

I honestly don't think ExxonMobil ever had any intention of actually turning off the valves or using gas supplies as a way to hold Europe hostage. If anything, the reality was quite the opposite; they were pouring massive amounts of capital into building out Nord Stream 2, a project that was designed to fully secure a steady flow of gas for decades to come.
If Europe actually had a steady, reliable flow of natural gas, market prices wouldn't have any real reason to spike like they have been. The whole issue is that demand isn't necessarily skyrocketing because people need more energy than ever before; it's just that we aren't getting enough from our existing sources to meet what we already use. I remember sitting around my kitchen table a few years ago, watching the news during a different energy crunch, and thinking how much simpler things would be if we just had the supply lines working the way they were designed to. If the supply was consistent and sufficient, there wouldn't be this artificial pressure driving everything up. It really comes down to simple availability rather than an actual surge in consumption.
Look, even though that pipeline is essentially finished and sitting there at 80% capacity, it’s just staying dormant because of a political decision. It feels like this was driven largely by pressure from the US, which basically sold Europe on this whole narrative about being dangerously over-reliant on Russian gas. In reality, they aren't turning it on because if they did, it would completely undermine the need for all those other gas supply routes we've been working to establish.
The whole conversation surrounding "green energy" and the push to swap out natural gas for alternative power sources feels like it’s perpetually stuck in the planning stages. It isn't just a matter of flipping a switch; transitioning our entire infrastructure requires an astronomical amount of capital and decades of dedicated development to ensure these new sources can actually meet our massive energy demands. I remember sitting through a town hall meeting back in my hometown in Ohio a few years ago where they discussed similar shifts, and the sheer scale of the logistical nightmare became very clear. Beyond the cost, we have to face the reality that in several current industrial technologies, natural gas remains absolutely indispensable. We can't just wish away a resource that serves as the backbone for so much of our modern production.
I've been sitting here wondering about the actual mechanics of how we transition to a green grid while keeping our food supply secure. It really makes me think about the logistical leap we’re trying to make. Specifically, I'm curious about how we intend to produce synthetic fertilizers using only solar and wind power. We know that modern agriculture relies heavily on those fertilizers to maintain high yields and keep grocery prices from spiraling out of control for the average family. If we move away from traditional energy sources, how exactly do we scale up the production of these essential nutrients through renewables? It feels like a massive technical puzzle that we haven't quite solved yet if we want to ensure food remains both abundant and affordable.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about our energy landscape lately, and honestly, it feels like we're facing an uphill battle that won't be solved by trendy tech alone. When you look at the reality of the situation, the United States—much like much of Europe—is fundamentally short on the raw materials and energy density required to sustain a massive industrial economy. We are essentially tethered to global imports, and that dependency isn't something that just disappears overnight. I remember reading an analysis a few years back about how supply chains can shift almost instantly, leaving entire regions vulnerable, and it really stuck with me. While everyone loves talking about the potential of solar panels and wind turbines, I find myself feeling a bit skeptical about the idea that they can carry the entire load. No matter how much we invest in renewables, we can't simply wish away our need for consistent, high-output power sources. Without addressing the fundamental lack of domestic resources, we'll always be reliant on someone else's terms, and all the wind farms in the world might not be enough to break that cycle.
We’re certainly moving away from that heavy reliance on Russian gas, which feels like a necessary step, but I can't help but feel we're just trading one problem for another. The reality is that we're shifting our dependency toward Liquefied Natural Gas, yet we simply don't have the infrastructure in place to handle it. We lack the necessary capacity for both the liquefaction process and the massive scale of transport required to make this work reliably. It's one of those situations where the solution looks great on paper, but when you look at the actual logistics, it feels like we might be heading straight into another kind of energy bottleneck.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the current shift toward regasified LNG, and honestly, it feels like we might be walking into a bit of a trap. When you look at the math, buying liquefied gas is consistently more expensive than relying on traditional pipeline transport. As we lean more heavily into this pricier fuel, our domestic manufacturers are forced to bake those soaring energy costs directly into the price of everything they produce. It creates this worrying trend where our businesses start losing their edge, becoming increasingly uncompetitive compared to economies that still have access to massive, steady supplies of cheaper gas. It makes me wonder if we're trading long-term industrial stability for short-term energy shifts.
It isn’t just the cost of heating and fuel that's climbing; we’re seeing grocery prices skyrocket too, which honestly hits families much harder on a day-to-day basis. I remember talking to a neighbor last week who was staring at her receipt in total disbelief—it’s one thing to pay more at the pump, but when the basic stuff you need to feed your kids starts costing twice as much, that’s when the real pressure sets in for most Americans.
I’ve noticed that some specific products shot up in price by as much as 100% just on the mere rumor of a shortage, even though we never actually faced a real scarcity. It reminds me of that time back when my local grocery store in Chicago started hiking prices on certain pantry staples just because people were whispering about supply chain hiccups, despite the shelves remaining fully stocked. It feels like we saw these massive price spikes driven entirely by anticipation rather than any actual lack of inventory.
It feels like we’re watching a massive geopolitical pivot happen in real-time. Russia isn't just looking toward the East anymore; they are doubling down on that direction with everything they have. It’s not just about those massive pipeline projects stretching out toward China, either. They are aggressively building up their own LNG regasification capacities to make sure they can ship energy wherever the demand shifts. It’s a calculated, long-term move to reshape their entire economic landscape.
Japan just finalized an agreement to purchase liquefied natural gas from Sakhalin, and at the same time, China is moving full steam ahead with expanding its pipeline network to feed the southern regions. It looks like they are really leaning into making cheaper gas more accessible across the country, which should significantly boost their overall consumption. I remember reading a similar analysis about energy shifts in the Pacific years ago, and seeing how quickly these massive infrastructure projects come together always strikes me as a testament to how much the global energy landscape is shifting right under our feet.
Once the second phase of the Power of Siberia pipeline is finally completed, China will have a much steadier supply of natural gas right at its doorstep. This shift means they won't have to rely nearly as much on importing expensive liquefied natural gas, which is going to give their domestic economy a serious competitive edge on the global stage. I remember reading a few years back about how much energy volatility can cripple manufacturing sectors, and seeing this kind of infrastructure move really makes you realize how much they are positioning themselves for long-term stability.

The tension between China and the US seems to be reaching a boiling point lately, and I can't help but worry about where this is all heading. If things really boil over there, we could see China and Russia pulling even closer together, leaving the West and Europe essentially stranded. It wouldn't just be an energy crisis—though losing access to gas would be devastating enough—it would be a total technological blackout. We are talking about a massive shortage of semiconductors sourced from Taiwan, China, and South Korea. When you consider that roughly 70% of the world's advanced chips come from those specific regions, the realization hits home: without them, the sophisticated tech we rely on every single day simply ceases to exist. It’s a precarious position to be in, and frankly, it feels like we're walking a very thin line.
It all boils down to one thing: ensuring America maintains its global hegemony, where Western corporations hold the ultimate authority and make every critical decision that matters.

Yet, whenever we try to have a serious discussion focused strictly on economic realities, we’re immediately branded as "Russia-lovers"—it's become this convenient little label used to shut down any meaningful debate.

I am convinced that the certification for Nord Stream would have passed without issue if it weren't for the Russian troops stationed right on the border with Ukraine—who were supposedly there for "military exercises" (though we all saw how those "exercises" actually played out). Putin calculated that Europe would prioritize gas over Ukraine, just as it has every time before—which is predictable behavior. The EU and NATO, however, decided that such a threat was too great to ignore by simply appeasing them again. In truth, the policy of appeasement, which sent the wrong signals to the Kremlin, was flawed from the start; that is where the West's real fault lies. The next "fault" of the West here is changing its behavior, which caught Putin by surprise.
Real-world economics isn't some isolated bubble; it's inseparable from politics. Putin understands this tactic perfectly. He used gas as leverage against smaller buyers within the European Union—those who weren't politically aligned with him—and in the end, they walked away from his supply, even if they still have the infrastructure tied to it. They realized long ago that the true cost of Russian gas is far higher than whatever number shows up on a current invoice.
We can sit here and debate economic theory or the merits of cheap gas all day, but when Russia acts with this level of aggression, low prices cease to be the primary concern. If we decide that cheap energy is our absolute priority regardless of the consequences, then our children and grandchildren will be the ones footing the bill for our shortsightedness. Look at Germany. They hitched their wagon entirely to the cheapest supplier available—which, at one point, was ExxonMobil's equivalent in that region—and now they are paying the ultimate price. The regime in Moscow won't stop its provocations until it faces a military defeat. Right now, that is exactly what Ukrainians are fighting for. In their current reality, they aren't losing sleep over the price per unit of gas. If we act irresponsibly, we might find ourselves staring down that same predicament tomorrow.
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#7291 ·
America has really leaned into natural gas over just the last couple of decades.

Which basically means that back in the day, we managed just fine without it.

And honestly? It proves we can move away from it and should be looking to scale down our usage.

Besides, solar isn't some lonely lone wolf out there; America has a whole mountain of alternatives to gas at its disposal...

Once households ditch gas heating, we’ll have plenty left over for heavy industry and chemical plants. Plus, we still have domestic fields to tap into if things get tight. And even if those run dry, we can always import from whoever needs it.

With all these options on the table, why on earth would we ever choose to be dependent on some aggressive bully?
Christian Barnes Christian Barnes Member
16 messages
joined Aug 2018
#7292 ·
casualtiger2 said:European Union gas consumption from Nov 1, 2021, to Feb 28, 2022, sat at 604 TWh.
Back in 2021, peak gas storage levels on Oct 21 hit 858 TWh (that's 77%).


European Union gas storage capacity as of Aug 26, 2022: 880 TWh (79%).

United Kingdom - 100%
Portugal - 100%
Poland - 99.6%
Denmark - 93.7%
France - 90.6% (119 TWh)
Belgium - 87.1%
Spain - 83.5%
Germany - 81.8% (200 TWh)
Czech Republic - 81.7%
Italy - 80.8% (156 TWh)
Slovakia - 77.6%
Netherlands - 74.2% (105 TWh)
America - 72.9% (3.5 TWh)

Romania - 70.7%
Austria - 64.3%
Canada - 61.7%

I mean, how is it that the Canadians, who are supposedly allies of Russia, have such low gas storage levels?
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
265 messages
joined Apr 2022
#7293 ·
urbanotter said:And you're just out here spinning fairy tales, too.

I honestly don't think ExxonMobil ever had any intention of actually turning off the valves or using gas supplies as a way to hold Europe hostage. If anything, the reality was quite the opposite; they were pouring massive amounts of capital into building out Nord Stream 2, a project that was designed to fully secure a steady flow of gas for decades to come.
If Europe actually had a steady, reliable flow of natural gas, market prices wouldn't have any real reason to spike like they have been. The whole issue is that demand isn't necessarily skyrocketing because people need more energy than ever before; it's just that we aren't getting enough from our existing sources to meet what we already use. I remember sitting around my kitchen table a few years ago, watching the news during a different energy crunch, and thinking how much simpler things would be if we just had the supply lines working the way they were designed to. If the supply was consistent and sufficient, there wouldn't be this artificial pressure driving everything up. It really comes down to simple availability rather than an actual surge in consumption.
Look, even though that pipeline is essentially finished and sitting there at 80% capacity, it’s just staying dormant because of a political decision. It feels like this was driven largely by pressure from the US, which basically sold Europe on this whole narrative about being dangerously over-reliant on Russian gas. In reality, they aren't turning it on because if they did, it would completely undermine the need for all those other gas supply routes we've been working to establish.
The whole conversation surrounding "green energy" and the push to swap out natural gas for alternative power sources feels like it’s perpetually stuck in the planning stages. It isn't just a matter of flipping a switch; transitioning our entire infrastructure requires an astronomical amount of capital and decades of dedicated development to ensure these new sources can actually meet our massive energy demands. I remember sitting through a town hall meeting back in my hometown in Ohio a few years ago where they discussed similar shifts, and the sheer scale of the logistical nightmare became very clear. Beyond the cost, we have to face the reality that in several current industrial technologies, natural gas remains absolutely indispensable. We can't just wish away a resource that serves as the backbone for so much of our modern production.
I've been sitting here wondering about the actual mechanics of how we transition to a green grid while keeping our food supply secure. It really makes me think about the logistical leap we’re trying to make. Specifically, I'm curious about how we intend to produce synthetic fertilizers using only solar and wind power. We know that modern agriculture relies heavily on those fertilizers to maintain high yields and keep grocery prices from spiraling out of control for the average family. If we move away from traditional energy sources, how exactly do we scale up the production of these essential nutrients through renewables? It feels like a massive technical puzzle that we haven't quite solved yet if we want to ensure food remains both abundant and affordable.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about our energy landscape lately, and honestly, it feels like we're facing an uphill battle that won't be solved by trendy tech alone. When you look at the reality of the situation, the United States—much like much of Europe—is fundamentally short on the raw materials and energy density required to sustain a massive industrial economy. We are essentially tethered to global imports, and that dependency isn't something that just disappears overnight. I remember reading an analysis a few years back about how supply chains can shift almost instantly, leaving entire regions vulnerable, and it really stuck with me. While everyone loves talking about the potential of solar panels and wind turbines, I find myself feeling a bit skeptical about the idea that they can carry the entire load. No matter how much we invest in renewables, we can't simply wish away our need for consistent, high-output power sources. Without addressing the fundamental lack of domestic resources, we'll always be reliant on someone else's terms, and all the wind farms in the world might not be enough to break that cycle.
We’re certainly moving away from that heavy reliance on Russian gas, which feels like a necessary step, but I can't help but feel we're just trading one problem for another. The reality is that we're shifting our dependency toward Liquefied Natural Gas, yet we simply don't have the infrastructure in place to handle it. We lack the necessary capacity for both the liquefaction process and the massive scale of transport required to make this work reliably. It's one of those situations where the solution looks great on paper, but when you look at the actual logistics, it feels like we might be heading straight into another kind of energy bottleneck.
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the current shift toward regasified LNG, and honestly, it feels like we might be walking into a bit of a trap. When you look at the math, buying liquefied gas is consistently more expensive than relying on traditional pipeline transport. As we lean more heavily into this pricier fuel, our domestic manufacturers are forced to bake those soaring energy costs directly into the price of everything they produce. It creates this worrying trend where our businesses start losing their edge, becoming increasingly uncompetitive compared to economies that still have access to massive, steady supplies of cheaper gas. It makes me wonder if we're trading long-term industrial stability for short-term energy shifts.
It isn’t just the cost of heating and fuel that's climbing; we’re seeing grocery prices skyrocket too, which honestly hits families much harder on a day-to-day basis. I remember talking to a neighbor last week who was staring at her receipt in total disbelief—it’s one thing to pay more at the pump, but when the basic stuff you need to feed your kids starts costing twice as much, that’s when the real pressure sets in for most Americans.
I’ve noticed that some specific products shot up in price by as much as 100% just on the mere rumor of a shortage, even though we never actually faced a real scarcity. It reminds me of that time back when my local grocery store in Chicago started hiking prices on certain pantry staples just because people were whispering about supply chain hiccups, despite the shelves remaining fully stocked. It feels like we saw these massive price spikes driven entirely by anticipation rather than any actual lack of inventory.
It feels like we’re watching a massive geopolitical pivot happen in real-time. Russia isn't just looking toward the East anymore; they are doubling down on that direction with everything they have. It’s not just about those massive pipeline projects stretching out toward China, either. They are aggressively building up their own LNG regasification capacities to make sure they can ship energy wherever the demand shifts. It’s a calculated, long-term move to reshape their entire economic landscape.
Japan just finalized an agreement to purchase liquefied natural gas from Sakhalin, and at the same time, China is moving full steam ahead with expanding its pipeline network to feed the southern regions. It looks like they are really leaning into making cheaper gas more accessible across the country, which should significantly boost their overall consumption. I remember reading a similar analysis about energy shifts in the Pacific years ago, and seeing how quickly these massive infrastructure projects come together always strikes me as a testament to how much the global energy landscape is shifting right under our feet.
Once the second phase of the Power of Siberia pipeline is finally completed, China will have a much steadier supply of natural gas right at its doorstep. This shift means they won't have to rely nearly as much on importing expensive liquefied natural gas, which is going to give their domestic economy a serious competitive edge on the global stage. I remember reading a few years back about how much energy volatility can cripple manufacturing sectors, and seeing this kind of infrastructure move really makes you realize how much they are positioning themselves for long-term stability.

The tension between China and the US seems to be reaching a boiling point lately, and I can't help but worry about where this is all heading. If things really boil over there, we could see China and Russia pulling even closer together, leaving the West and Europe essentially stranded. It wouldn't just be an energy crisis—though losing access to gas would be devastating enough—it would be a total technological blackout. We are talking about a massive shortage of semiconductors sourced from Taiwan, China, and South Korea. When you consider that roughly 70% of the world's advanced chips come from those specific regions, the realization hits home: without them, the sophisticated tech we rely on every single day simply ceases to exist. It’s a precarious position to be in, and frankly, it feels like we're walking a very thin line.
It all boils down to one thing: ensuring America maintains its global hegemony, where Western corporations hold the ultimate authority and make every critical decision that matters.

Yet, whenever we try to have a serious discussion focused strictly on economic realities, we’re immediately branded as "Russia-lovers"—it's become this convenient little label used to shut down any meaningful debate.

Wait, how does the West lose access to Taiwanese and South Korean chips just because Russia and China get closer? Wouldn't it make more sense if Russia and China were the ones getting cut off? I mean, Russia is already pretty much out of luck there.
Harold Doyle3 Harold Doyle3 Active Member
216 messages
joined Aug 2006
#7294 ·
Sooner or later, we’re going to have to walk away from most fossil fuel energy.
It’s basically just millions of years of stored solar energy that we’re releasing all at once right now, which heats up the planet—not to mention the nasty byproducts of combustion making it even harder for Earth to cool itself down.
The ideal move is tapping into solar power via panels. That way, as a planet, we stay in thermal equilibrium. Whatever low-entropy energy hits the Earth gets emitted back out as high-entropy energy into the rest of the sky, excluding the sun. (Plus, plants store a bit of that energy too.)
If more energy from the sun is hitting the Earth than we actually need, then honestly, just paint your roofs and other accessible surfaces white to reflect it back.
This war in Ukraine is probably going to accelerate our departure from fossil fuels, giving us a fighting chance to avoid boiling ourselves alive through global warming.
If things heat up, you can expect massive populations from countries near the equator and at low altitudes to start migrating toward the poles or higher elevations where temperatures are tolerable and the ground stays dry. (Russia might actually look like a pretty attractive destination for people moving from the south, though they probably won't bother asking permission before showing up.)
We can also expect a surge in technological progress, which usually happens right after a crisis hits.
If we fail to make the jump, then frankly, we’re evolutionary scrap.
Adam Lee13 Adam Lee13 Active Member
105 messages
joined Nov 2022
#7295 ·
US renewable energy statistics show that renewables accounted for roughly 49% of total electricity consumption during the first half of 2022—that’s a jump of 6 percentage points over the previous year, mostly because solar and onshore wind were absolutely crushing it.

In that same six-month stretch of 2022, the US pumped out about 139 billion kWh of green energy, up from the 122 billion kWh we saw the year before.


And then you have all these people crying about how we can't survive without natural gas and whatnot... then they go and claim the market price for 1kWh is $2.00, yeah right. Just stop the nonsense.

According to data released by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (DEA) on Monday, natural gas consumption in the US dropped by nearly 29.3 percent in H1 2022 compared to the same timeframe last year.

On the flip side, the DEA noted that oil and coal consumption actually climbed by 19.4 percent and 1.1 percent, respectively.


Let's keep hearing those fairy tales about how Europe is doomed without gas. Look at the US—they slashed gas usage by 30% only to ramp up oil and coal instead. And what happened? Absolutely nothing.
Adam Lee13 Adam Lee13 Active Member
105 messages
joined Nov 2022
#7296 ·
Gas consumption trends in Germany during May and June:

Back in the month of May, gas usage actually dipped by more than a third—down about 34.7% compared to May 2021.

Then you look at June, and things got even more interesting because gas consumption took a massive hit, dropping over 22 percent year-over-year.


Meanwhile, back in Q1 22, gas usage in Finland plummeted by a staggering 55%.

The biggest drops were seen in wood fuels and natural gas, which fell by 27 and 55 percent respectively.

If you ask me, those Russians are going to find themselves in a real tight spot pretty fast...
Mark Carter14 Mark Carter14 Member
32 messages
joined Apr 2012
#7297 ·
Adam Lee13 said:Gas consumption trends in Germany during May and June:

Back in the month of May, gas usage actually dipped by more than a third—down about 34.7% compared to May 2021.

Then you look at June, and things got even more interesting because gas consumption took a massive hit, dropping over 22 percent year-over-year.


Meanwhile, back in Q1 22, gas usage in Finland plummeted by a staggering 55%.

The biggest drops were seen in wood fuels and natural gas, which fell by 27 and 55 percent respectively.

If you ask me, those Russians are going to find themselves in a real tight spot pretty fast...

Yeah, meanwhile, the Czech Justice Minister is out here saying:

Blažek claims things are looking even bleaker than what the opposition is painting. According to him, the social climate and general mood are at their most volatile since 1989. “If we don't fix this energy crisis, the political system of this country is at risk. If a pan-European solution isn't found, even the European Union itself could be in jeopardy,” the minister warned, essentially hinting at the possibility of a revolution.

Energy crisis threatens government and EU; Minister Blažek warns of revolution

The EU's solidarity was certainly on full display during the pandemic. 🤣
rustywalker82 rustywalker82 Active Member
203 messages
joined Feb 2013
#7298 ·
Adam Lee13 said:The thing is, we actually *do* have gas and power... it’s just a mess. These crazy prices? That’s on the idiots who refused to build out LNG terminals because they were clearly acting like Russian mercenaries, much like Merkel did back in the day. And let's not forget, the biggest gas consumers are all over the European Union.

But honestly, I think governments should be stepping in to cap gas and electricity prices rather than letting these middlemen play games. When a crisis hits, everyone needs to shoulder the burden—including those energy traders. There shouldn't be any room for massive profit margins during a crisis, let alone those insane extra windfalls they're pulling right now.

I’ve been talking about the need for smart sanctions with price caps from the get-go, specifically so Vladimir Putin makes less money. If I haven't missed anything here, it seems like you're just now catching on to that. I'm not calling you out personally, but when people suddenly get "wise" after the fact, you have to remember that Putin has already banked that cash.
And honestly, I still have my doubts about anyone cheering for ExxonMobil when they illegally shut off the valves to cause chaos in Europe. You seemed a bit surprised by my comments regarding those types of supporters, but trust me, I haven't changed my mind one bit.

And since you brought up supply volumes again, I’ll say it one more time.
Smart sanctions could fix the loophole that allowed Putin to earn just as much as before the supply cuts, even while the actual shortages of gas and power remain a real issue.
Conspiracy theories aren't going to help us here.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#7299 ·
So, urbanotter is out here claiming that both the European Union and the USA are going to end up totally stranded without any chips. Meanwhile, Russia is suddenly halting the issuance of biometric passports, citing "technical difficulties"—though we all know it’s probably just a massive chip shortage making those little things impossible to find. 🕺
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#7300 ·
hollowdriver13 As stated by:
I was reading some discussions online where urbanotter was suggesting that both the European Union and the USA might actually find themselves facing a severe chip shortage, leaving us all hanging. It’s a sobering thought when you consider how much our modern infrastructure relies on those tiny pieces of silicon. To add even more fuel to the fire, there are reports coming out of Russia that they are halting the issuance of biometric passports, citing "technical difficulties." Of course, if you look closer at the situation, it feels like a pretty transparent excuse for a massive shortage of the very chips needed to make those documents functional. It makes you wonder how deep this supply chain instability really goes. 🕺

Looking back at how the Chinese responded following Nancy Pelosi's visit, it really makes you stop and think about the sheer scale of the geopolitical fallout we're seeing unfold.
I honestly feel like both Europe and America are going to find it much harder to secure a steady supply of Taiwanese chips than they will to get their hands on Ukrainian wheat or Russian gas.

I’m fairly certain we won't see China imposing any meaningful sanctions anytime soon. If you look at how things played out with the situation involving Russia, it's become crystal clear to them just how ineffective those kinds of measures actually are.

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