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gentlebadger gentlebadger Member
21 messages
joined Nov 2022
#8821 ·
Mark Carter14 said:The Swiss aren't exactly thrilled about this whole seizure idea.

The Swiss government says seizing Russian assets would be unconstitutional.

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"Seizing frozen private property isn't in line with our federal constitution or the current legal framework, and frankly, it violates Switzerland's international obligations," the Swiss Ministry of Justice stated on Wednesday.

"Other nations have similar constitutional protections and guarantees."

Swiss banks are pushing back too. "There just isn't a legal basis for confiscation right now," the Swiss Bankers Association noted last month.
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Even just freezing assets without actually selling them off carries some pretty significant leverage in negotiations—you can't just overlook that.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#8822 ·
For those working within the Swiss banking sector, the prospect of seizing assets and freezing accounts could trigger massive systemic issues down the line. Who among their clientele would actually trust them after such a move, believing they wouldn't be the next targets on the list? People don't funnel capital into Swiss banks just because they appreciate fine cheese or high-end watches.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#8823 ·
gentlebadger said:Even just freezing assets without actually selling them off carries some pretty significant leverage in negotiations—you can't just overlook that.

Sure, someone freezes your funds and then "returns" them to you twenty or thirty years down the road. And don't forget they'll charge you "custodial fees" along the way. Meanwhile, inflation quietly does its job. Putin will certainly leave a lasting impression on those who exhausted themselves looting the Russian Federation, only to spirit that cash away like true patriots.
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
238 messages
joined Feb 2013
#8824 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:For those working within the Swiss banking sector, the prospect of seizing assets and freezing accounts could trigger massive systemic issues down the line. Who among their clientele would actually trust them after such a move, believing they wouldn't be the next targets on the list? People don't funnel capital into Swiss banks just because they appreciate fine cheese or high-end watches.

Unlike their cheese, their financial system doesn't have giant holes poked in it. 😁
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
303 messages
joined Sep 2014
#8825 ·
The impact of sanctions 😬...

An American company, Viatris, has suspended Viagra supplies to the Russian market.

The Russian Ministry of Health announced today that despite this, pharmacy stocks remain steady because they've already kicked off production of a local Russian version of Viagra.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#8826 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:The impact of sanctions 😬...

An American company, Viatris, has suspended Viagra supplies to the Russian market.

The Russian Ministry of Health announced today that despite this, pharmacy stocks remain steady because they've already kicked off production of a local Russian version of Viagra.

Meanwhile, the deflationary situation over in Russia is just getting worse.......

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Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#8827 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:Unlike their cheese, their financial system doesn't have giant holes poked in it. 😁

But those few remaining gaps in their banking infrastructure seem to be, by some strange coincidence, located in exactly the right spots and of precisely the right dimensions.
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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joined Sep 2014
#8828 ·
@nihi
this picture says it all 🤣...
Chloe Jones3 Chloe Jones3 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Oct 2022
#8829 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:The impact of sanctions 😬...

An American company, Viatris, has suspended Viagra supplies to the Russian market.

The Russian Ministry of Health announced today that despite this, pharmacy stocks remain steady because they've already kicked off production of a local Russian version of Viagra.

It looks like Russians are capable of churning out local versions of everything—phones, cars, tractors, heavy machinery, even meds—all in record time. Makes you wonder why they bothered importing anything or using foreign brands in the first place if they're this efficient. As for Russian Viagra... who's actually going to buy it? Are we looking at a spike in heart attacks?
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
164 messages
joined Oct 2018
#8830 ·
So, I was reading this thing about the olive oil situation, and honestly, it’s just one more thing to add to the pile of things going wrong lately. It seems like the whole supply chain is just falling apart, and now we're looking at prices for high-end oils shooting up because of some weird weather patterns and production issues over in Europe. I mean, I guess it makes sense if you look at the math, but still, it feels like everything is getting more expensive for no reason. It’s kind of like when the gas prices spike because of some drama halfway across the world—you're just sitting there at the pump in some suburb outside of Chicago, wondering why your paycheck isn't stretching as far as it did last summer. Maybe it's just bad luck? Or maybe it's just how things are going now. Everything feels a bit fragile, I suppose. You see these reports about shortages and then you go to the grocery store and suddenly that bottle of premium stuff you usually grab is double what it used to be. It's frustrating. I don't know. It just feels like we're constantly reacting to the next big crisis instead of actually fixing anything. Anyway, just my two cents. Probably doesn't matter much.

So, I was reading about this next round of sanctions coming down the pipeline, and it looks like things are getting pretty intense. Apparently, there’s going to be a total ban on exporting Western-made oyster shells and those specific cleaning brushes they use for them. It’s kind of wild when you think about the logistics of it all, I guess. You'd think they'd focus on bigger stuff, maybe tech or energy, but now we're talking about specialized gear for shellfish? Maybe that's just how it works though. I don't know. It feels like one more thing being thrown into the mix, making everything more complicated than it needs to be. Just another layer of red tape, I suppose.
Thomas Stewart8 Thomas Stewart8 Member
36 messages
joined May 2012
#8831 ·
Donna Harris11 said:So, I was reading this thing about the olive oil situation, and honestly, it’s just one more thing to add to the pile of things going wrong lately. It seems like the whole supply chain is just falling apart, and now we're looking at prices for high-end oils shooting up because of some weird weather patterns and production issues over in Europe. I mean, I guess it makes sense if you look at the math, but still, it feels like everything is getting more expensive for no reason. It’s kind of like when the gas prices spike because of some drama halfway across the world—you're just sitting there at the pump in some suburb outside of Chicago, wondering why your paycheck isn't stretching as far as it did last summer. Maybe it's just bad luck? Or maybe it's just how things are going now. Everything feels a bit fragile, I suppose. You see these reports about shortages and then you go to the grocery store and suddenly that bottle of premium stuff you usually grab is double what it used to be. It's frustrating. I don't know. It just feels like we're constantly reacting to the next big crisis instead of actually fixing anything. Anyway, just my two cents. Probably doesn't matter much.

So, I was reading about this next round of sanctions coming down the pipeline, and it looks like things are getting pretty intense. Apparently, there’s going to be a total ban on exporting Western-made oyster shells and those specific cleaning brushes they use for them. It’s kind of wild when you think about the logistics of it all, I guess. You'd think they'd focus on bigger stuff, maybe tech or energy, but now we're talking about specialized gear for shellfish? Maybe that's just how it works though. I don't know. It feels like one more thing being thrown into the mix, making everything more complicated than it needs to be. Just another layer of red tape, I suppose.

And everyone just bursts out laughing...
Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
86 messages
joined Mar 2022
#8832 ·
The White House is currently discussing with American employers The introduction in The Coming Weeks of a "one-time voluntary contribution" from companies to the federal budget. "We expect this contribution to be about 300 billion dollars," or 3.8 billion EUR according to Goldman Sachs.
It’ll be interesting to watch this unfold—the propagandists have been laying the groundwork for a while now. This kind of move just creates a massive pool of domestic enemies, which usually means extreme repression is right around the corner. That's 3.8 billion for the treasury... makes you wonder how much more is being pocketed for "protection" against local crime.
Melissa Peterson19 Melissa Peterson19 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#8833 ·
Chloe Jones3 said:It looks like Russians are capable of churning out local versions of everything—phones, cars, tractors, heavy machinery, even meds—all in record time. Makes you wonder why they bothered importing anything or using foreign brands in the first place if they're this efficient. As for Russian Viagra... who's actually going to buy it? Are we looking at a spike in heart attacks?

I assume you're a young man, so listen closely: don't let yourself get sucked into fanatical assumptions and prejudices. During the most intense periods of the Cold War, the USSR was capable of producing nuclear bombs, nuclear icebreakers, and submarines; they conquered space and even downed a US spy U2 from 19 miles altitude and captured the pilot... yet here you are asking about tractors and other trivialities. Are you aware that their heavy machinery in Alaska starts up perfectly fine at -40°C? Do some research and try to grasp the sheer scale of that nation. They can survive a nuclear war, whereas others likely cannot; their resources are inexhaustible. This is a country with deep roots, tradition, and a culture that has contributed to civilization just as much as powerful European nations like Italians, Germans, Frenchmen, or Englishmen.

And don't worry, the collapse of Russia as a state is impossible. There will always emerge a leader strong enough to hold it together, whether through diplomacy or force, regardless of the cost. The West won't allow a collapse either, because letting the world's largest nuclear arsenal fall into unstable hands would create a situation that is impossible to control.

Don't fall for the pipe dreams of Putinophobes.
Morgan Wright5 Morgan Wright5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2022
#8834 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:I assume you're a young man, so listen closely: don't let yourself get sucked into fanatical assumptions and prejudices. During the most intense periods of the Cold War, the USSR was capable of producing nuclear bombs, nuclear icebreakers, and submarines; they conquered space and even downed a US spy U2 from 19 miles altitude and captured the pilot... yet here you are asking about tractors and other trivialities. Are you aware that their heavy machinery in Alaska starts up perfectly fine at -40°C? Do some research and try to grasp the sheer scale of that nation. They can survive a nuclear war, whereas others likely cannot; their resources are inexhaustible. This is a country with deep roots, tradition, and a culture that has contributed to civilization just as much as powerful European nations like Italians, Germans, Frenchmen, or Englishmen.

And don't worry, the collapse of Russia as a state is impossible. There will always emerge a leader strong enough to hold it together, whether through diplomacy or force, regardless of the cost. The West won't allow a collapse either, because letting the world's largest nuclear arsenal fall into unstable hands would create a situation that is impossible to control.

Don't fall for the pipe dreams of Putinophobes.

Well, they seem to be so famous for consumer goods that the only product I’ve ever actually heard of is a Jeep. And I think I even have a thermometer at home that was made in the USSR.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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joined Feb 2022
#8835 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:I assume you're a young man, so listen closely: don't let yourself get sucked into fanatical assumptions and prejudices. During the most intense periods of the Cold War, the USSR was capable of producing nuclear bombs, nuclear icebreakers, and submarines; they conquered space and even downed a US spy U2 from 19 miles altitude and captured the pilot... yet here you are asking about tractors and other trivialities. Are you aware that their heavy machinery in Alaska starts up perfectly fine at -40°C? Do some research and try to grasp the sheer scale of that nation. They can survive a nuclear war, whereas others likely cannot; their resources are inexhaustible. This is a country with deep roots, tradition, and a culture that has contributed to civilization just as much as powerful European nations like Italians, Germans, Frenchmen, or Englishmen.

And don't worry, the collapse of Russia as a state is impossible. There will always emerge a leader strong enough to hold it together, whether through diplomacy or force, regardless of the cost. The West won't allow a collapse either, because letting the world's largest nuclear arsenal fall into unstable hands would create a situation that is impossible to control.

Don't fall for the pipe dreams of Putinophobes.

Modern-day Russia isn't the USSR.

North Korea built a nuke, and China did too back when they were still a backwater, so what's your point?

Their equipment runs at -40° just like Western gear, provided it's plugged into electric heaters so the oil and fuel don't freeze up. Try unplugging those heaters or shutting the engine off and letting it cool down, then see how well it starts.

No one's resources are infinite, and that includes both Russia and the US. On the flip side, having something buried in the ground that you can't actually extract to sell or use is worth pretty much zero.

It's true that Russia won't fall apart, nor does anyone actually want that to happen.
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#8836 ·
Morgan Wright5 said:Well, they seem to be so famous for consumer goods that the only product I’ve ever actually heard of is a Jeep. And I think I even have a thermometer at home that was made in the USSR.

Look, my line of work involves machining and industrial equipment—so, basically, everything tagged "Made in the USSR" or whatever is just junk. It’s easily five tiers below anything coming out of Germany, France, or the UK and the US.
To be blunt? Nothing from Russia is any good. Not even the vodka.
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
265 messages
joined Apr 2022
#8837 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:I assume you're a young man, so listen closely: don't let yourself get sucked into fanatical assumptions and prejudices. During the most intense periods of the Cold War, the USSR was capable of producing nuclear bombs, nuclear icebreakers, and submarines; they conquered space and even downed a US spy U2 from 19 miles altitude and captured the pilot... yet here you are asking about tractors and other trivialities. Are you aware that their heavy machinery in Alaska starts up perfectly fine at -40°C? Do some research and try to grasp the sheer scale of that nation. They can survive a nuclear war, whereas others likely cannot; their resources are inexhaustible. This is a country with deep roots, tradition, and a culture that has contributed to civilization just as much as powerful European nations like Italians, Germans, Frenchmen, or Englishmen.

And don't worry, the collapse of Russia as a state is impossible. There will always emerge a leader strong enough to hold it together, whether through diplomacy or force, regardless of the cost. The West won't allow a collapse either, because letting the world's largest nuclear arsenal fall into unstable hands would create a situation that is impossible to control.

Don't fall for the pipe dreams of Putinophobes.

Imperial Russia might have been known for its culture, but this version of Russia is known for being uncivilized.
Don't lump them together.
Out here in the West, in the civilized world, you actually get to enjoy democracy and free speech. That kind of thing is strictly off-limits in "modern" Russ.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#8838 ·
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

Man, look at that. Natural gas just hit $49.5 per unit—honestly, that’s the lowest we’ve seen since back in September 2021.
Noah Diaz Noah Diaz Active Member
114 messages
joined Sep 2021
#8839 ·
Donna Harris11 said:So, I was reading this thing about the olive oil situation, and honestly, it’s just one more thing to add to the pile of things going wrong lately. It seems like the whole supply chain is just falling apart, and now we're looking at prices for high-end oils shooting up because of some weird weather patterns and production issues over in Europe. I mean, I guess it makes sense if you look at the math, but still, it feels like everything is getting more expensive for no reason. It’s kind of like when the gas prices spike because of some drama halfway across the world—you're just sitting there at the pump in some suburb outside of Chicago, wondering why your paycheck isn't stretching as far as it did last summer. Maybe it's just bad luck? Or maybe it's just how things are going now. Everything feels a bit fragile, I suppose. You see these reports about shortages and then you go to the grocery store and suddenly that bottle of premium stuff you usually grab is double what it used to be. It's frustrating. I don't know. It just feels like we're constantly reacting to the next big crisis instead of actually fixing anything. Anyway, just my two cents. Probably doesn't matter much.

So, I was reading about this next round of sanctions coming down the pipeline, and it looks like things are getting pretty intense. Apparently, there’s going to be a total ban on exporting Western-made oyster shells and those specific cleaning brushes they use for them. It’s kind of wild when you think about the logistics of it all, I guess. You'd think they'd focus on bigger stuff, maybe tech or energy, but now we're talking about specialized gear for shellfish? Maybe that's just how it works though. I don't know. It feels like one more thing being thrown into the mix, making everything more complicated than it needs to be. Just another layer of red tape, I suppose.

Wait, is this some kind of joke or are they actually serious? 🤣

Russians manufacture their own toilet seats and everything else. Here are a few photos from a Russian collection of toilets.

https://skl-co.ru/en/o-nas/
https://fashion-en.decorexpro.com/tu...unitazy/iddis/
The Iddis brand mainly sells its products in the US market, as well as in the markets of neighboring countries, where the products also receive a lot of approving reviews. The brand has a huge range of sanitary products. Any product is reliable and safe to use, which is a huge plus for many customers.

The brand produces products that are completely thought out to the smallest detail; domestic engineers, as well as professional plumbers, are engaged in all the development. The manufacturer gives All buyers good warranty periods for their products , and customers ara always guaranteed Professional support fra The company regarding The operation and installation of Any Kohler sanitary Ware.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
571 messages
joined Aug 2019
#8840 ·
Noah Diaz said:Wait, is this some kind of joke or are they actually serious? 🤣

Russians manufacture their own toilet seats and everything else. Here are a few photos from a Russian collection of toilets.

https://skl-co.ru/en/o-nas/
https://fashion-en.decorexpro.com/tu...unitazy/iddis/
The Iddis brand mainly sells its products in the US market, as well as in the markets of neighboring countries, where the products also receive a lot of approving reviews. The brand has a huge range of sanitary products. Any product is reliable and safe to use, which is a huge plus for many customers.

The brand produces products that are completely thought out to the smallest detail; domestic engineers, as well as professional plumbers, are engaged in all the development. The manufacturer gives All buyers good warranty periods for their products , and customers ara always guaranteed Professional support fra The company regarding The operation and installation of Any Kohler sanitary Ware.

Then it's a total mystery why they were importing them from Germany in the first place.

Maybe they were just diverting limited production capacity toward more "useful" things. Or maybe—just maybe—the workers who haven't been mobilized yet will suddenly become super-productive, cranking out ten times the toilets while somehow building a tank or a helicopter on the side.

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