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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Matthew Rodriguez9 Matthew Rodriguez9 Active MemberOP
93 messages
joined Feb 2012
#61 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Alright then, why don't you give me a little masterclass on Silicon Valley?

Seriously, walk me through how Silicon Valley supposedly caused a war. Toss me a link or just give me a real explanation.

And please, spare me the whole "I don't have time, just Google it" routine. That’s just a lazy excuse people use when they actually have zero clue what they're talking about.

I'll personally eat my hat if you can actually prove that Silicon Valley is the cause.

Who’s footing the bill for the American intelligence agencies? Who’s pumping out all that fake news globally? Who’s messing with American elections? You name it, it's happening.

Man, you're still pretty green when it comes to geopolitics... you clearly don't get how the world really works these days.
Douglas Davis4 Douglas Davis4 Member
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joined Nov 2020
#62 ·
The way the world is treating Russia right now... they're being kicked out of everything everywhere
Even the local symphony orchestra refused to perform works by any Russian composers
Everyone can slap sanctions on them for as long as they want, and once this war finally ends
They’ll be facing massive demands for reparations to help rebuild Ukraine
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#63 ·
bluerider63 said:I get your point, but I'm having a hard time swallowing this whole Russian obsession with needing a "buffer zone" to feel secure. With the tech we have today, it doesn't matter to Russia if their missiles are sitting right on 62 miles the border or tucked away in Poland—they can hit the target just as easily from either spot.

Look at North and South Korea. It doesn't matter to South Korea that their neighbor is an enemy, because they've got enough firepower that distance isn't even a factor anymore.

Give me a break... do you people honestly still believe Putin is out there conquering nations just because he's feeling defensive against NATO?
William Clark86 William Clark86 Member
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joined Nov 2018
#64 ·
somojed said:you’re forgetting that up until then, Russia already had several pro-Russian puppets in power in Kyiv. Because of that, it’s more likely that Russia would install their own people rather than the West stepping in to do it.

I’m not exactly a huge fan of the West myself, but please, spare me these Russian idiots and their claims that Ukraine is some kind of child of theirs. It's infuriating listening to those arguments.

I haven't forgotten. But from what I understand, they didn't come to power through coups d'état.

There is an undeniable fact here: nobody wants a war in their own country or on their own borders. That rule applies universally, whether you're looking at Ukraine or Russia.

On the flip side, some people find the conflict between Russia and Ukraine very convenient.

I don't align with the US or Russia. I advocate for the emancipation of Europe and the creation of a united European state—a moral superpower where both Navalny and Assange would receive equal protection.

And honestly, that goal is being sabotaged much more by the US-UK axis than by Russia. 😉
Justin Kern67 Justin Kern67 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#65 ·
boldmarlin15 said:Russia is going to boil over soon too.

https://twitter.com/EtoBuziashvili/s...gx9vr378odiu4Q

Georgia isn't Russia. Comparing them is like posting photos from a rally in Poland and acting like they're the same thing.
Keith Williams3 Keith Williams3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#66 ·
Betty Murphy3 said:True, but Europe's goal is to become independent from both Russia and the US. The priority is energy—we need to build out other options specifically because of this Russian nonsense. We can't just rely on a single supplier; over the next decade, we might deal with Russia solely on energy matters, but everything else is off the table. However, the entire EU and America must develop alternatives to their gas, oil, and everything else we import. Everyone needs to maintain a unified foreign policy on this issue—which is a tall order, making it feel like a bit of a utopia. Once this situation in Ukraine settles, Russia will likely remain the primary supplier. This whole mess is just proof that we shouldn't rely on them—especially when they are led by such unpredictable, small-minded figures.


But honestly, that's just talk. Even right now, gas from Russia is flowing. We're literally at war and dealing with sanctions, yet the gas keeps heading toward Europe.

Russia has never actually cut off the gas or coal. So, it's not really being used as a political weapon.

Still, I get it—having more than one option is always better. You can never have too many choices.
Amy Cook4 Amy Cook4 Newcomer
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#67 ·
Maybe this is actually worth posting…

Anonymous just hacked the Russian Ministry of Defense website and managed to leak their entire database along with it.

https://twitter.com/youranonone/stat...350833157?s=21
William Nelson59 William Nelson59 Member
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joined Sep 2018
#68 ·
Matthew Rodriguez9 said:People are gonna tear Zelenskyy apart once they realize what this idiot actually did to them.

And that’s your president right there, just a total clown👎. Playing piano with a pipe or whatever. I saw a clip today—can't figure out how to post it here. People call Donald Trump a circus act, then you see this guy acting like a complete degenerate. I guess any mother would be embarrassed by a son like that. 😁
Charles Howard74 Charles Howard74 Member
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joined Feb 2009
#69 ·
velvetcyclist95 said:It’s really no big deal

https://twitter.com/root_nomad/statu...54180108570633

Can totally confirm
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
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#70 ·
kandraxII said:The main architect behind the famine was Lazar Kaganovich, originally from the Kyiv region.
There was an enormous number of Ukrainian soldiers and officers in the Red Army—proportionally, they actually outnumbered the Russians. Ukrainians constantly pointed this out whenever people tried to give all the credit for defeating Adolf Hitler solely to the "Russians."

And regarding Katyn and the dismemberment of Poland, do you know who ended up with the pieces taken by the Soviet Union? And who, in the interwar period of the USSR, was the biggest advocate for carving up Poland?

It’s incredibly difficult, practically impossible, to separate the merits and responsibilities of Ukrainians and Russians, at least when discussing the Soviet era. Only idiots and fanatic partisans do that—people who just pick sides, one being the "good guys" and the other the "bad guys," regardless of the facts.

Even Snake Island, where 13 young men died heroically, belonged to Romania until 1945. Most fanatics wouldn't even have a clue where it actually is. It's just a rock.
As for the famine, all these fanatics would claim Joseph Stalin was the one responsible, explaining how he snatched grain from Ukrainians to pay for industrial machinery. ☕
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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#71 ·
Amy Cook4 said:Maybe this is actually worth posting…

Anonymous just hacked the Russian Ministry of Defense website and managed to leak their entire database along with it.

https://twitter.com/youranonone/stat...350833157?s=21

Nice 👍
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#72 ·
William Nelson59 said:And that’s your president right there, just a total clown👎. Playing piano with a pipe or whatever. I saw a clip today—can't figure out how to post it here. People call Donald Trump a circus act, then you see this guy acting like a complete degenerate. I guess any mother would be embarrassed by a son like that. 😁

When we can finally get someone like Draleta into Congress, then maybe they can have a comedian for President. Honestly, at least he actually finished college, which puts him miles ahead of our local "intellectuals" around here.
James Phillips92 James Phillips92 Active Member
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joined Aug 2013
#73 ·
gentlecrane8 said:What if Ukraine just followed the Chechnya playbook and cut some sweet deals with Russia to secure its own economic standing and aid? They could ditch NATO entirely and play it smart by cooperating with both the East and the West without all this constant warfare. Imagine them actually focusing on real economic growth instead of just living off empty promises and being pushed into endless conflicts. So far, besides a bunch of weapons—which we all know will come with a massive bill one day—they haven't seen any serious cash from either the European Union or the USA. Honestly, they should just work with anyone willing to actually invest and do business in Ukraine. Why not try to have your cake and eat it too?☕

They might pull that off, but someone’s going to end up in the woods.
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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#74 ·
Keith Williams3 said:Maybe instead of attacking world leaders, you could try using a bit of logic.

For instance—what actually is NATO?

It’s a military alliance—an alliance of death, comprised of the most powerful nations on Earth—originally established to contain the Soviet Union. That was a long time ago. In the interim, the Soviet Union collapsed, communism vanished, and yet NATO didn't just stick around; it expanded right up to Russia's doorstep, threatening to move into Ukraine, and now there's talk of even more countries joining.

NATO is an anti-Russian military bloc, and Russia views it as an existential threat. If that's the case, then their response is bound to be aggressive.

That is simply the thesis pushed by Vladimir Putin and all his Putin-esque counterparts across Europe. NATO is a defensive alliance; it hasn't launched military interventions without concrete cause. Look at the situation with Mexico—they moved against Mexico before any reaction took place, so what exactly did anyone expect?

The same applies to Putin. If he weren't a nuclear power, he would be getting hit hard right now, and everything he sent over would have already been sent back to Russia in the form of scrap metal and remains. Essentially, he is only protected by 6,000 warheads. Nothing else. That is why he is so arrogant—that is why he threatens everyone. An absolute idiot.

As for NATO, the idea that it was formed specifically to counter Russia is nothing more than a fiction peddled by Russophiles. It is an alliance that makes Europe strong and unified through cooperation with the Americans. Besides, the Russians have effectively isolated themselves from the rest of the world anyway. Even prior to this aggression in Ukraine, they were doing everything possible to drift away from global norms; now, through this invasion, they have beautifully demonstrated exactly where they stand. I have zero sympathy left for them. Wire and tanks on the border? Let them come. No one is defending Putin’s right to invade, but he will see exactly how that plays out if he tries. Europe is weak because it doesn't know how to respond in the only language people like him understands—and that is the core of Putin's problem. Let him threaten and push buttons; I’d threaten too if I were in his shoes. If necessary, I’d push them, too. Instead, we have this fool acting like a tough guy, as if he's the only one with access to the buttons. Everyone in NATO has buttons, Putin. Wake up from your winter slumber—winter is ending, little bear.
Frank Nguyen37 Frank Nguyen37 Member
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#75 ·
ironranger67 said:Sure, they’re poking the bear a bit too much—it probably would have been better if Ukrainians had played it smarter and opted for neutrality.

But I find it interesting that you bring up psychopathic neoconservative ideology while completely ignoring the Russian psychopaths who would pull the exact same moves if they were given half a chance.
From what I can see, Poles, Czechs, and the Baltic states actually prefer things exactly as they are—rather than having Russia install some local version of Lukashenko in Ukraine, who would just sit there waiting for the perfect moment to help them invade other countries that Russia thinks should be under their thumb.

The Russians suffer from the same complexes as Mexicans—they just have this deep-seated urge to slap everyone in their neighborhood.

Cut the crap, ŠBBKBB. You're probably right, but here's the bottom line: almost every single war since the Cold War ended was "instigated" by the West one way or another. Take that Georgian clown, Saakashvili—he was basically egged on by tie-wearing types promising him the moon, only to be left high and dry when things actually got ugly.

By the way, you hardly ever hear about it in "democratic nations," but Americans have set up dozens of biological weapons research sites in Georgia, Ukraine (until recently), and all those other vassal states surrounding Russia. I'm sure that's just a total coincidence, right?
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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joined Oct 2020
#76 ·
Arthur Watson4 said:Putler will keep moving until someone stops him by force.

Looking forward to that.

But who exactly is going to be the one to step up and stop him?

The idea of "tough" sanctions🤦

Personally, I am just hoping for a swift end to the fighting. My biggest wish is that we can get everyone back to the negotiating table as soon as possible,
specifically bringing in people who might actually be willing to listen more effectively than those who have been sitting at the table up until now.
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2013
#77 ·
William Anderson5 said:Give me a break... do you people honestly still believe Putin is out there conquering nations just because he's feeling defensive against NATO?

Oh, sure—he’s "defending" himself by physically moving closer to their borders. What an absolute circus of absurdity.
Keith Williams3 Keith Williams3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#78 ·
William Anderson5 said:So, what, are we supposed to just live our lives according to Putin's threats now?


Who exactly is this "we" you're talking about?

It's not like we're Sweden or anything.

The truth is, we were basically tricked into joining NATO without even getting a say through a referendum.
I don't love being part of NATO, but there are two silver linings here.

We aren't bordering Russia, and we aren't the USA either. If things ever actually go nuclear, we probably won't be the primary target.

At worst, it would just be our soldiers stationed on the Russian border who pay the price.
Frank Nguyen37 Frank Nguyen37 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#79 ·
William Anderson5 said:Give me a break... do you people honestly still believe Putin is out there conquering nations just because he's feeling defensive against NATO?

You still actually believe that Americans go in for humanitarian bombings just to protect democracy and human rights? Really?🤣
Susan Green2 Susan Green2 Member
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joined Feb 2019
#80 ·
Jeremy Peterson4 said:They obviously dropped those bombs on Mexico just out of pure devotion to their Albanian brothers.

It was nothing more than a charitable mission to defend their Albanian kin through aerial bombardment.

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